Yeah, I was wrong on Toads last game based on reading him off of his tone on him being to concilliatory, but this really does not feel like the typical strong tone that town Dad makes. Town Dad is far more confident and brash, and I even commented on this difference the last time we played together. Here he seems like he's trying to engage and pocket newer and less experienced players with a more laid back and mellow attitude by being more engageful and more approachable. But the difference in tone between town him and this game are actually pretty significant even at this stage in the game, ESPECIALLY when he knows, as town, that anything remotely scummy I say should be used against me to the fullest extent because I'm skilled scum
Also, no way I'm using either of Dad's champs games for meta. I'm not digging through a combined 10,000 posts, or even coming out of that with a hint of appropriate context, even if I tried to and that's best case scenario (also I also read half of one of them).
Also if Dad shoots me during the night you need to kill him
But let's look at how he typically speaks as town and as scum
Dad as town (Love Letter 2) said:
That has to be one of your shakiest opening posts Dolby. You begin this post by saying "10/10" because that deflects that concern in such a passive manner that makes it actually seem like I am joking but I am legit not. I genuinely think she human balances. Your rqs begins with a joke question (#1) and a filler question (#2). The third and final question is not only a sloppy attempt at trying to come off as solvy but the responses to it are going to be your means of figuring out who has what card. You just slipped that you have the baron card, the card I had as mafia last game and I am sure scum will have during this game because it is 1 vs 5 in ratio and Baron in capable hands is an extra kill for you. I also think there is a baron in town, speaking of balance.
##VOTE: Dolby
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But yeah don't answer question 3 guys.
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Also that last paragraph in his post is not something townDolby would say. Particularly the bit about asking anything else would risk giving Mafia help figuring something out. By that logic you just won't post anything for the rest of the day if you are using that as an excuse.
Also, I suggest that guard use their power on Dolby, guessing Baron. Especially if he somehow survives being lynched today, it reduces his KP to 1.
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I am pretty staunch about this so it will be a boring D1.
First serious post of the game as town, clearly isn't happy with my play, none of this "yellow flag" bull**** that we see here in this game
You didn't want to paint it as non-AI the first time you reacted to it though, but now you do. It's not exactly a red flag for me yet but it's certainly yellow.
I do think it's somewhat NAI in a vacuum but if it continues as a trend toads is town deadweight if town. And Toads I'm perfectly capable of carrying deadweight but if you wanna play not out of spite and actually play the game it would be appreciated for the sanity of those who are wanting to play it authentically.
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Why did you feel the need to randomly say this btw?
But regardless of that one comparison he's not trying to directly engage with me, probe my thoughts, get into my head and sow doubt about his own alignment. He jumps on what he assumes is a scum mistake and grabs onto it, not trying to engage with me, but instead trying to use it to get others to vote for me. Here he uses it as a method to engage with me (convieniently bolded) in an effort to not thunderdome me this early (also, there's no reason to not say "deadweight if town" there, even if that is proper sentence structure). He then does it in the merge in an attempt to draw me out.
Also, asking why people "felt the need to say something" is DEFINETLY one of scum Dad's favorite tactics, as seen in the merge of his first post when he does it to me
Dad in Korean War, as scum, early D1
What about him seems eager and why is that suspicious? Quote it and explain.
My thing is that I just think suspecting him to be buddying by saying that simple line is a very specific thing to throw out there. Are you saying you no longer stick by it? Because even though it's a stretch it's something and that's valid enough.
Dad in Love Letter 1, as scum
You already have enough for a big post? Literally nothing AI has been posted yet.
What's confusing about it? The descriptions/instructions for the cards are right there in the OP post.
You realized it, or I realized it and pointed it out?
Another example of Dad drawing people into conversation to point holes at them (this game)
Bianca, if you want to waste your shot, might as well do it on Dolby tbh. I would like to have a more accurate shot here.
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Also I'm pretty sure no shoot is not an option.
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Because if you don't want to shoot you don't have to say 'no shoot' you just...don't shoot. But you're playing the game Bianca.
You didn't want to paint it as non-AI the first time you reacted to it though, but now you do. It's not exactly a red flag for me yet but it's certainly yellow.
I do think it's somewhat NAI in a vacuum but if it continues as a trend toads is town deadweight if town. And Toads I'm perfectly capable of carrying deadweight but if you wanna play not out of spite and actually play the game it would be appreciated for the sanity of those who are wanting to play it authentically.
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Why did you feel the need to randomly say this btw?
Dad engages people in this manner to question noobs on their weak points, to pretend to generate content that actually has no value to the game, and to look like town to the people he engages with because he's probing, not accusing. Dad is probably gonna say something like "it's possible for me to appeal to people" in response to this specific point, and I know that he's only had three posts so far this game, but he hasn't really been doing that. Even when he does this as town, he comes in with a strong opinion on a player, accusing or backing them up, rather than probing them for their response. In summary,
as scum, Dad probes for a response while remaining non-committal, as town, you know his intentions straight away
Indeed, Dad does do these types of interactions as town, but they have one key difference
you already know where his heads at, and he comes out strong
Love Letter 2 (as town)
I still think the wording is a slip. Also where is the info on the number generator thing? While she says 'at random' are we just going to trust that she isn't trying throw mafia some sort of bone? 1 v 5 is a townsided ratio.
Makes his opinion definitively known, unlike with his "yellow-flag" where he leaves substantial room for change.
And I actually can't find another example of this from him as town besides asking about win cons
But let's break down his content. His tone is definetely off, he's asking to many non-consequential questions (his one on my rhino comment definitely being a prime example)
You didn't want to paint it as non-AI the first time you reacted to it though, but now you do. It's not exactly a red flag for me yet but it's certainly yellow.
I do think it's somewhat NAI in a vacuum but if it continues as a trend toads is town deadweight if town. And Toads I'm perfectly capable of carrying deadweight but if you wanna play not out of spite and actually play the game it would be appreciated for the sanity of those who are wanting to play it authentically.
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Why did you feel the need to randomly say this btw?
Why does he think me reevaluating towards a stance that
he agrees with from one that he disagrees with as flag-worthy? And he ignores the fact that I'm considering it as possibly non-AI (though not set non-AI) to begin with
You ****ing didn't
I know that last game there was the "new toads who dis" thing and that you feel that I was a dick to you last game, but I legit think it's scummy that you actually used your one shot on a yolo
And I know that it's such a cop-out, but it's so scummy that I don't even know if scum would do it
Second part of that is just empty, pushing Toads to try this game. Town deadweight is town still reads awkward though
There is no reason to randomly question me on my rhino comment, as ironic as it is to say this
Because 'town deadweight' is a term but I'm not willing to go as far as being sure he's town because he can hide behind a bad reason to join the game so structurally this sentence still makes sense and it's a reach to try and pick it apart as being a typing-slip.
And on the note of Rhino, nobody had really attacked them to begin with but the way you said it seemed more discouraging for Rhino than it was pointed to discourage any of us from eating him alive.
As for the ego comment, no offense taken really? It's possible for me to appeal to people and say that they shouldn't shoot 'x' if they're showing signs that they might, so there's still at least a limited capability.
I do actually find the third part of this post somewhat concerning as Dad shows that he's more concerned about who's NOT shot rather than steering the shot towards one specific person. It shows as him not caring who's shot as long as it's not himself
That quick townlean on me doesn't seem something like you would do as town, maybe because you think buddying me still works on me due to me having an ego like it used to work. I'm not making a full-blown case out of a small thing here but out of the three people who have posted so far you've acted the least town-like. Sure, Toads hasn't either, but he's done one thing that isn't pro-town that's also slightly NAI whereas you keep providing reads that don't come from your townyou, which I define as having healthy skepticism (especially early on) and working as hard as possible on figuring the game out.
Bianca, if you want to waste your shot, might as well do it on Dolby tbh. I would like to have a more accurate shot here.
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Also I'm pretty sure no shoot is not an option.
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Because if you don't want to shoot you don't have to say 'no shoot' you just...don't shoot. But you're playing the game Bianca.
1. I 180ed on that townlean, you should have saw that
2. "Keep providing reads that don't come from townyou" That's straight up bull****. You even agree with me on Toads, instead, you're stuck with an outdated read trying to say that it's a pocket
3. His response to Bianca with all the merges is really awkward. I'm particularly uncomfortable with "But you're playing the game Bianca" as I feel that it's a form of distancing from a hypothetical me townflip AND trying to not appear as forcing Bianca to shoot me
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I'm actually very surprised that you consider Bianca townlike. You indirectly say that, but you don't give an explicit read on her shooting herself (though I do think that its town indicitive, besides this, you've given no indication towards your thoughts on her)
This took far far to long to make
this game is gonna be one long conversation between dolby and dad isn't it... my goal with shooting was to piss people off to see what they did, especially dolby knowing he would carry over what happened at the last game. As well as try to stop people from being gun-shy.
Dolby's reaction was mixed to me, on one hand he did get over-analyze-ee and a little pissed, but it was more reserved and different from the last game. It definitely doesn't give me town vibes
Bianca wanting to shoot herself is just strange. It rubs me the wrong way actually, idk why but its strange
Dad seems like the only reasonable one, you give me town-ish vibes to start
However all of these could change, probably will. I look forward to hearing from Rhinocerous too, don't be scared homie, come out and play.
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By "it doesn't give me town vibes" I mean I lie in neutral, but it doesn't make me lean towards town, not that its scummy
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I hope that makes sense... I'm tired lol
I do want one thing in particular to be known, I don't "carry over" from previous games (unless somebody actually gamethrows or cheats)
This is fine honestly, this is what I'd expect you to have at this point
If you could shoot again though, who would you shoot
Also, Bianca debating shooting herself reminds me of Bianca in Fnaf where there was an item that had a 50% of killing you and 50% of killing scum and she wanted to buy it (she was town). And I've edited one or two things in this post to reflect that in the Dad case
