Mafia TBT Mini Mafia III: A Terrible Fate [Game Over/Town Win]

[BellGreen]

OK, since it's the final day. I'll say it.

I am glad I shot Dolby during the night (I am a Vigilante) because his behavior and inactivity was similar to previous games. It gives us more time to focus on picking out one person.

Unfortunately he posted an average amount so we can't base most suspects off of inactivity (unless so-so had been inactive as scum in previous games). I'll need time to look over his previous posts and see who he defended. The sad thing is what Superpenguin pointed out; the "if so-so is mafia, then so-so should be too" pretty much hasn't worked out so far, so we may need to take previous suspects and take a look at them.

 

[BlueLeaf]

YES, WE GOT SCUM! Since our Doctor was gone, I'm assuming a Veteran was hit? Night ended early, so there was obviously a shot. Whoever got shot should speak up. And can Fireninja and Justin please get back in the game? We need all the help we need to find these scum. I'm starting to think a person who slips by discussion often is the Godfather, as they can just sit back and turn up whatever they want in inspections. Or particularly, a person who votes without any post.

 

[Minties]

The mafia had two shots last night because each cult member is one KP and night ended early, so they DID take their shots. They could have hit two veterans? We would need two veterans to come forward. THAT or Dolby was sacrificed by his last mafia member to avoid us having a double lynch today? It's possible I suppose. It's the last day, so there's not much we can do if we don't find the last mafia member today.

Dolby posted a lot of chaotic crap this game, less than Champ2947, but still was flinging accusations around. He accused FireNinja1 of being a goon for changing his usertitle. He also said he suspected FireNinja1 more than Superpenguin later in the thread. The rest of his posts are stating the obvious or spammy, except for this one:

I'm going to be away until after day ends, so I'm just going to post what I think of the other remaining players alive

Fireninja1-no current thoughts
Tina-hasn't been acting differently from when town
Justin-behavior consistent with the last two games when town
Bellbringergreen-no current thoughts
Minties-acting differently from when scum last game, seems town to me
Blueleaf-to willing to be lynched on day two,makes me think that he's a townie

Now why did Dolby have "no current thoughts" on FireNinja1 after most of his posts all game were pertaining to accusing him? I wondering if he's trying to steer us away from FireNinja1 because he only stopped accusing him after Champ2947 died.

It's safe to assume that there's only one vig and I do believe it's BBG. Since it's the last day, I'm going to go ahead and say that I am a townie this game. I was mafia in Mafia V and did not know how to play as a town because it was my first game so I never posted anything that actually contributed. I'm trying to hardest to help us win this game by trying to bring inactives into light so they don't slip between our fingers. I don't have any qualms with being lynched, although I would really like our last lynch to hit red.

Now if the mafia had sacrificed one of their members, I would assume that would have been planned by someone that hasn't been accused recently or has slipped by discussion. Justin and FireNinja1 have both been silent when accused. Tinaa has been posting, but dodges defending herself to direct our attention elsewhere. I would like to hear from these three before I make a decision. I'm also keeping in mind that it has been quite a while since Justin was scum himself and he usually contributes more.

If we have two veterans, they need to step up. In such a small game, there has only been one of everything so far... but it's possible. Everyone needs to be posting today because we have ONE lynch.

 

[FireNinja1]

Everyone, I was caught up in schoolwork. I had a lot that needed to be done, therefore, I had a lot of inactivity.

I would also like to say that I am the Veteran this game. I can confirm that I was not shot last night, or any of the previous nights of this game.

 

[Chris]

Wow, we might have a chance of winning this after all!

Now if the mafia had sacrificed one of their members, I would assume that would have been planned by someone that hasn't been accused recently or has slipped by discussion. Justin and FireNinja1 have both been silent when accused. Tinaa has been posting, but dodges defending herself to direct our attention elsewhere. I would like to hear from these three before I make a decision. I'm also keeping in mind that it has been quite a while since Justin was scum himself and he usually contributes more.

If you want to know how I've been playing and why, then that's fine. On the first day of the game I was pretty stumped. But when Champ2947 fed different information to iLoveYou, Superpenguin, and I on Day 2 ? after already acting suspiciously in the IRC the night before ? it was obvious that he was trying to turn the 'stronger' players against one another. The third vigilante claim confirmed that at least one person had to be lying. For the record, the remaining vig claim was Justin. He told me yesterday that he had already used his shot.

The thread has been becoming more and more quiet. Silence won't help us. Too many people are staying quiet and then relying on the line "I'm ok with being lynched" as an automatic ticket to get out of a lynch: but that's not going to help us win. We're on a time limit and we've only one chance left to win this. If you're town you shouldn't just surrender yourself the second you're accused - it's in town's best interests that you stand up and fight for your own survival. If you care whether or not we win this game then speak.


There were some observations I wanted to share, but I feel sick, so I'm going to go lie down for a bit first.

 

[Minties]

Okay, the deaths still don't add up in my brain. Going to write them all down here:

Night 1:
Mafia KP - 3

Lunatic
FanousOnTheLoose
ITookYourWaffles

All 3 mafia KP accounted for, assuming no vig shots

Night 2:
Mafia KP - 2

Tom
iLoveYou

Champ2947 was lynched, so this accounts for both mafia KP and no vig shots (Unless Justin used his shot this night and the mafia target was protected by Makkine).

Night three:
Mafia KP - 2

Superpenguin

Mafia still had 2 KP. I wish I knew who Makkine protected because I'm assuming that was the other target with SP as no veteran claimed the shot.

Night four:
Mafia KP - 2

Dolby

BBG claimed this shot, so I'm wondering where the other two mafia shots have disappeared off to. This is where I am slightly stumped because FireNinja1 claimed vet, yet supposedly hasn't been shot at this whole game. Justin is claiming vig, but unless he killed iLoveYou or Tom, I think he is lying. Justin, we need you to speak up in the thread before day's end. These kills don't add up completely and someone is not telling the truth.

Players left:
Roles left -
1 Mafia member
1 or 2 Vigilantes
1 or 2 Veterans
1 Doctor?
Townie

FireNinja1 - Claimed Veteran, not shot at
Tina - Claimed nothing
Justin - Claimed Vigilante, used shot
BellBringerGreen - Claimed Vigilante, used shot
BlueLeaf - Claimed nothing
Minties - Claimed Townie

YES, WE GOT SCUM! Since our Doctor was gone, I'm assuming a Veteran was hit? Night ended early, so there was obviously a shot. Whoever got shot should speak up. And can Fireninja and Justin please get back in the game? We need all the help we need to find these scum. I'm starting to think a person who slips by discussion often is the Godfather, as they can just sit back and turn up whatever they want in inspections. Or particularly, a person who votes without any post.

I'm not sure if you're not contributing with theories or anything because you're busy with your own mafia game, but this is just stating the obvious. SP was very suspicious of you in early game because of your scummy behavior, but we seemed to have set that to the side while we were distracted by the green massacre in this thread. You said "If you want to lynch me, go ahead" 5 times, which as Tina pointed out, is not a reason that we shouldn't question you. Once Champ2947 pulled all of the attention on him, you pretty much glided under the radar this whole game. The rest of your posts were just confirming you were voting for someone or talking about inactives. Tina pointed out the fact that you have also consistently voted every day, presumably to avoid being modkilled because dead mafia don't win. I think we should definitely keep your name up in the pool for lynch today, considering you haven't given any indication that you're actually town.

Single out the person in the awkward time zone who sleeps through group conversations. Easy target, I get it. However, you (now) know my role and why I'm playing it the way I am. I can't help anyone if I'm dead.

I'm more inclined to believe that Tina isn't actually scum solely due to her playstyle and this post. Yes she hasn't roleclaimed, but she has appeared more town aligned then other players in this thread. I would still like to hear your observations when you get back, Tina.

 

[Minties]

Also want to tack on here that Tina and BlueLeaf, you both need to roleclaim here. It's the last day, you can't do any actions as it is. We need to sort out who is who and being coy with your role does not help town in the slightest.

 

[BlueLeaf]

Minties: What's the point in claiming Townie? If you're under suspicion, claiming Townie is useless, even though I actually am Townie. Honestly, I just wanted to change my behavior to a less active behavior, as Townies should be a bit more quiet than others. Most people probably won't believe me because:

A) My behavior is too similar to my Mafia behavior
B) I played strongly as a Townie in my first game

My gameplay isn't consistent with most games, but sometimes I want to play differently, depending on my role and early-game. In Game 4, I was a Medic and revealed my role to iLoveYou, and got an aggressive gameplay, for example. And if I was Mafia, why would I be bringing so much attention on myself? I already learned my lesson in Mini Mafia I. I encourage you guys to keep questioning me if you would like suspicion on me to calm down a bit.

 

[Minties]

Minties: What's the point in claiming Townie? If you're under suspicion, claiming Townie is useless, even though I actually am Townie. Honestly, I just wanted to change my behavior to a less active behavior, as Townies should be a bit more quiet than others. Most people probably won't believe me because:

A) My behavior is too similar to my Mafia behavior
B) I played strongly as a Townie in my first game

My gameplay isn't consistent with most games, but sometimes I want to play differently, depending on my role and early-game. In Game 4, I was a Medic and revealed my role to iLoveYou, and got an aggressive gameplay, for example. And if I was Mafia, why would I be bringing so much attention on myself? I already learned my lesson in Mini Mafia I. I encourage you guys to keep questioning me if you would like suspicion on me to calm down a bit.

Why would townies be more quiet than others? Isn't it our job to try to root out mafia members while also protecting our blues? The whole "just a dumb townie" thing is what a lot of mafia players to do excuse their inactivity. Townies are anything but useless. They can call out people without the fear of losing a role with an action. I went back through your posts and I just want to state what I saw in your game play for others in this thread (in the games you didn't get modkilled for being AFK in):

You were a Doctor in Mafia IV. Your posts were constructive and you brought up new ideas. It seemed like you had a general interest in finding who the mafia members were and contributed decently to the thread.

You were Mafia in MM I. You were quite spammy in this game, a lot of unconstructive stuff being posted. Most of the game was spent with you complaining about people restating previous ideas while you also voted without any reasoning.

I know you're saying that you acknowledge that your playstyle is the same as your mafia one, but why the sudden change? Saying that you feel like townies should be quiet isn't going to cut it because you've played many mafia games before. You of all people know that silent townies = dead blues.

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Another player I'd like to bring up would be Tina. I made my previous post before I went through her posts in other mafia games. This is a quote from Tina in Mafia IV:

I would like to put my own name in for consideration.

I?ve only played mafia twice so far: in mafia III I was a role blocker and in mini mafia I was a detective. If you look back at how I played, you?ll realise I held back more as a town member than I did as a mafia member. Why?

As mafia I wasn't scared to speak. I knew I wouldn't die if I gave a completely pro-town post so I went all out. If you re-read every single one of my posts, you would know that I always tried to offer various points of view to the town, rather than saying, "Hey, let's do this and only this." Even when it came to near my death, I offered the pro-town opportunity of jailing me and lynching one of my fellow mafia: two birds with one stone. Town didn't take it, but I put that opportunity out there even as I was dying - knowing that even if I'd been jailed my life would end very shortly after. I couldn't outwardly state how that worked to town's advantage, because I'd have been betraying my mafia brethren in the process, but I still put all the clues out there for the town to put together themselves.

As a town member in mini mafia, I felt I had to hold back a lot to stay out of the mafia's radar: (1) I was a detective, and important to town; (2) I couldn't speak and further discussion if I was dead, could I? But if you look at scum chat, they almost killed me night one despite how little I posted. They didn't even seem to think I was blue: they just didn't want me around!​

The only person that hasn't been afraid to speak besides myself has been Tina. I feel like she has been very willing to put names out there and direct our attention to certain people. Her playstyle when she was a blue in Mafia IV was significantly different than this game. She was analyzing everything in-depth and providing solid reasoning on every move she made. Every post she has made this game has said that she's going to contribute more at the end (observations, arguments) but that she has to go and they never get posted (apologizes if this is due to something irl Tina).

Personally, I'm keeping BlueLeaf and Tina at the very top of my list.

I need to hear from the rest of you AFKers and no, I don't want to hear how busy your IRL is. I want to hear some thoughts on the game and what we should do.

Typing this at 2am, sorry for mistakes.

 

[Justin]

Okay a couple things:

1) Yes, I am the other vigilante. Tom's death was my vigilante shot. After Champ's lynch on Day 2 as scum, I looked back through the voting thread and the main thread. The whole shenanigans with everyone voting for Champ, then Kayla trying to push everyone back away from Champ buying into the BS fakeclaim, and then turning things back around on voting Superpenguin when he wouldn't follow through, and finally switching again back to Champ just before he died was very suspicious in my mind. I decided to shoot either Tom or Kayla looking one of them was scum, and using the other. Obviously that didn't turn out well so I didn't speak of it in here, we didn't need to get distracted by discussing a failed shot. If it helps anything, I did mention it to Tina last night in PM when we were talking about vigs, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass now.

2) I agree that it is either BlueLeaf or Tina. Everyone else I can reasonably believe is town based on their actions or claimed roles.

3) I'm confused by last night's kills. We know BBG shot Dolby, but where are the other Mafia kills? As far as we know, no Doctors are left, and the only Veteran claims he was not shot either. So...?????? I don't get it. The thought of BBG being scum pretending as Vig crossed my mind, but it does seem logical for there to be 2 vigilante in a game with a day limit like this. Does anyone have any theories as to where the other kills went?

 

[Justin]

Actually, upon thinking about it more, I think we should stop worrying about the weird missing kill last night. Thinking through all of the roles and what we know, it doesn't seem like there is a possible scenario where the kill was blocked. They may have simply intentionally withheld their kill knowing that the game ends tomorrow regardless. One less player may actually make it more difficult to find the scum today. It makes a decent bit of sense if you think about it. Alternatively, they shot Dolby, but I can't see why.

 

[Chris]

Another player I'd like to bring up would be Tina. I made my previous post before I went through her posts in other mafia games. This is a quote from Tina in Mafia IV:

The only person that hasn't been afraid to speak besides myself has been Tina. I feel like she has been very willing to put names out there and direct our attention to certain people. Her playstyle when she was a blue in Mafia IV was significantly different than this game. She was analyzing everything in-depth and providing solid reasoning on every move she made. Every post she has made this game has said that she's going to contribute more at the end (observations, arguments) but that she has to go and they never get posted (apologizes if this is due to something irl Tina).

Just going to point out that I made my defence privately for this due to her being right about it being due to irl reasons: but I'm really not comfortable with the idea of making it public.

Minties and I discussed a few things and she's said she'll post them later. I'm going back to bed for now.

 

[Minties]

I actually can't sleep and I've been thinking about this for a little bit now.

Here's my theory:

We've been running in circles trying to find out where the shots went last night. I think this is exactly what the mafia is betting on because they literally only need to live through today and they win.

One of the shots last night hit a veteran. I have been talking with Tina and she can confirm this. It's the last day, so roleclaims really don't matter. We're sitting here left to wonder where the other shot went since BBG claimed that he hit Dolby as a vig.

I think that BBG is the remaining mafia member. I think they sent in shots for Tina and Dolby. This would give BBG an easy out because he could just claim vig (knowing that the actual vig wouldn't have shot Dolby). I know that I automatically put him on a safe list in my mind and I think this was what he was expecting. By the time we would have sorted out the BlueLeaf questions and everything, day would be over.

I think he was expecting that the real vig would have used his shot last night, making the total a veteran absorb, a mafia death and a townie death. We would then assume that the two mafia kills were the townie death + vig absorb while BBG is free to claim his mafia kill as a vig shot on Dolby. This would also frame the vig that accidently shot a townie as he would either claim to have killed a townie and make himself look scummy or claim nothing and let BBG get away.

This would have actually been a great mafia plan if the vig had actually saved their shot till last night.

All of that above is the reason I am all for ##VOTE: BellBringerGreen today.

Everyone, I was caught up in schoolwork. I had a lot that needed to be done, therefore, I had a lot of inactivity.

I would also like to say that I am the Veteran this game. I can confirm that I was not shot last night, or any of the previous nights of this game.

By the way, this is complete BS. You posted over 250 times since your last mafia post. It's a wonder you weren't modkilled. I wondering if you weren't modkilled because you could possibly be the last mafia member? I don't think Oath would have let that happen though. Don't sign up if you're not gonna play.

 

[oath2order]

There are 11 hours left to vote

 

[Chris]

No multi quote or pretty formatting because I'm on my phone, but:

I think he was expecting that the real vig would have used his shot last night, making the total a veteran absorb, a mafia death and a townie death.

It says on the first post that a vig will have their shot refunded if it overlaps with a mafia kill, so assuming Justin is telling the truth, mafia would have known that the vig had already used their shot on an innocent.

 

[BellGreen]

Two more votes and Town loses

Tina, you shouldn't keep quiet that I PMed you, asking for advice on who to shoot; you agreed with shooting Dolby and not Justin. Clearly you haven't said publicly, is that something to hide?

I shot Dolby Night 4. The time I sent my PM to Oath and the Day 5 post were more or less very close; I could tell he was waiting for me.

I know you guys have nearly nothing to go off of, but lynching me gives Mafia a win. Please consider taking votes off, but if you'd rather vote for me anyway, that's fine.

- - - Post Merge - - -

*Oops, not two votes more, one vote

 

[Chris]

Tina, you shouldn't keep quiet that I PMed you, asking for advice on who to shoot; you agreed with shooting Dolby and not Justin. Clearly you haven't said publicly, is that something to hide?

"Publicly" is the key word here. I've shared that information with Justin and Minties privately.

I'll be honest, I'm hesitating a little on my vote now.

 

[BellGreen]

I think that BBG is the remaining mafia member. I think they sent in shots for Tina and Dolby. This would give BBG an easy out because he could just claim vig (knowing that the actual vig wouldn't have shot Dolby). I know that I automatically put him on a safe list in my mind and I think this was what he was expecting. By the time we would have sorted out the BlueLeaf questions and everything, day would be over.

The flaw with Underline and Italics is I trusted Tina asking her who to shoot during the night claiming Vigilante to her. I would seriously go back to her again and ask her advice on who to shoot if I could more than once.

The flaw with the whole quote is that this is the first time for me as a Vigilante. You all consider me one of the weaker players; I am not that smart enough to come up with a master scum plan. You clearly said This would have actually been a great Mafia plan, but if you look at my previous posts, you'll see that I'm not even on the level of creating a master plan. You used I think quite a bit so I'll assume you don't have hard hitting evidence.

I hope you consider removing your vote because I cannot help us lynch Mafia when all my time for Day 5 is devoted to defending myself to accusations.

 

[BellGreen]

I know this seems like a hole being buried deeper for myself, but we are now desperate to lynch scum.

Tina

What is plain strange to me is, looking back, I see Tina and iLoveYou both mentioning Champ for lynch. As we all know, Champ rolled Mafia. Obviously the Mafia wanted to take out both of them since they most likely would be able to pinpoint another scummate. But why did iLoveYou die, and not Tina?

Plus, Tina was in the lynching pool on the day Champ was lynched, so assuming she's Mafia, she could have decided to attack Champ as a sacrifice (since his name had already been mentioned) to make up for those suspicions.

My second point is why Tina was willing to have me shoot Dolby besides his scummy behavior being true. Could it be she didn't want a Double Lynch which = a higher chance of lynching Mafia? She was also the main key point in getting Champ and Dolby out, so that was a great chance for her to get some trust, so she wouldn't be killed on Day 5.

The third point is: Why would Tina vote for me if I helped get Mafia out? I know she is hesitant on her vote, but why was she so willing to vote for me right when Minties posted her points against me? She even told me to shoot Dolby. Is that just not enough to prove myself as a Vigilante or what?

It makes sense for Tina to sacrifice her Mafia scummates in order to win for the team, since (please don't be offended) Dolby and Champ didn't even seem willing to defend themselves against the points made against them. Were they even trying? Or were they told that they would be sacrificed?

A stronger player is most likely a scummate; someone who can easily manipulate the weaker players. So far, I think it's Tina.

I'm sorry if Tina is truly Town, but we don't have too much time left to hit scum, and we need to get as much players questioned as we can.

 

[Chris]

But why did iLoveYou die, and not Tina?

I'd wondered the same thing myself.

Plus, Tina was in the lynching pool on the day Champ was lynched, so assuming she's Mafia, she could have decided to attack Champ as a sacrifice (since his name had already been mentioned) to make up for those suspicions.

I suspected Champ2947 due to suspicious behaviour in IRC and feeding strong players incorrect information. By that point, people had moved away from Champ2947 and onto Superpenguin for the lynch. I thought it was pointless to lynch SP, who we had no evidence on, when there was already solid evidence against Champ2947. It was random lynch vs. a lynch with evidence. Seemed like a no-brainer.

My second point is why Tina was willing to have me shoot Dolby besides his scummy behavior being true. Could it be she didn't want a Double Lynch which = a higher chance of lynching Mafia? She was also the main key point in getting Champ and Dolby out, so that was a great chance for her to get some trust, so she wouldn't be killed on Day 5.

He was inactive and I heard from iLoveYou that he had role-claimed veteran. I was skeptical about that. Plus, you brought up a good comment about his play style. After cross-referencing the action list from MM2 (which I hosted), there was a similarity between MM2 mafia and the one this game: after Trundle died in MM2, Dolby led the mafia and he completely failed at blue sniping. His inactivity this game meant he'd probably glide under the radar today. So, I figured that if he was telling the truth about his role then unless he'd attracted mafia attention at some point (seemed unlikely: he was so inactive) he'd survive the shot and be confirmed.

The other name you had brought up was Justin. As I've said many times throughout this thread, I believe him to be town.

The third point is: Why would Tina vote for me if I helped get Mafia out? I know she is hesitant on her vote, but why was she so willing to vote for me right when Minties posted her points against me? She even told me to shoot Dolby. Is that just not enough to prove myself as a Vigilante or what?

Minties post was the conclusion of a discussion we had together. I wasn't just jumping to agree with whatever she had said. We talked it through first.