Mafia TBT Mini Mafia XVII - Kissing to be Clever [Game Over/Town Win]

[Superpenguin]

An outted vet is even more useless because mafia doesn't have to kill everyone to win, so they can leave Dad alone if he were a true vet.

 

[Ashtot]

so basically by lynching dad we lose nothing and potentially lynch scum

 

[radical6]

if we mislynch today isnt tomorrow LYLO tho

 

[Forek]

An outted vet is even more useless because mafia doesn't have to kill everyone to win, so they can leave Dad alone if he were a true vet.

yeah vet is mostly useless same with other roles But I personally think Cariad is a Maf JoaT though

 

[radical6]

eh no i didnt catch pillows role pm, it makes sense cariads town rber.

im sorry my gameplay has been lackluster lately, ive been low on energy and in a depressed state so yeah i apologize. day 1 and 2 seemed so much more progressive than day 3 and today lol

right now, i do believe maf team is a combo of one of the 4 ppl up for lynch: nick, ashtot, dylan, chees.

chees is hard to read, because theyve been inactive the whole day.

ashtot seems normal to me

dylan i dont trust

nick confuses me. if the towns wincon is to eliminate any non town aligned player, nick would fall under that. im pretty sure when there are roles like survivor, people say "eliminate any ANTI town people" etc. so i find it odd tina didnt say anti town if there was truly a survivor. survivors are third party, even if they count for town numbers. they are not town aligned.

but survivors are not technically an anti town role like serial killer, so i feel like nick is lying as maf. sorry, i find it very hard to believe she would put a survivor in while saying my wincon is to kill anyone who isnt town

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also cariad cant be mafia JOAT they returned town..

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honestly, im betting on a dylan + nick scumteam.

 

[Forek]

oh yeah i forgot lol

 

[KermitTea]

imo we just take a chance and lynch one of these people
chees4mees
Ashtot
justice
Forek

I put Forek on there too bcuz he's still potentially slipping by with his miller claim

 

[Forek]

imo we just take a chance and lynch one of these people
chees4mees
Ashtot
justice
Forek

I put Forek on there too bcuz he's still potentially slipping by with his miller claim

I loled at that how am i slipping by its my real role

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lynch me if you want, its only gonna make the town lose by wasting a lynch

 

[radical6]

imo we just take a chance and lynch one of these people
chees4mees
Ashtot
justice
Forek

I put Forek on there too bcuz he's still potentially slipping by with his miller claim

why exactly do you believe nick and dylan when they arent cleared in any way?

idk. just nick being a third party is very weird.. argh my head hurts bc it wouldnt explain the 1kp last night, UNLESS they did that to make it look like they have 1kp but this claim is hurting my head

**** it ive been suspicious of dylan all game anyway

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im nervous in how this game is heading: we're now relying on roles to find maf and its offputting. but cariad did roleblock dylan, right? that doesnt exactly clear him since the kills couldve been sent in by another teammate

its just... i wish we didnt all start roleclaiming on day 3. i dont know why we did, but now everyones just lynching randomly. i admit i lynched labelle out of suspicion + she was one of the unclear. but tbh the only clear people to me are karen and trundle. cariad i believe is likely town. forek im having second thoughts on but i dont think hes maf. nick idk, the whole third party really confuses me. like a lot.

since nick actually isnt a blue, we now have 5 blues including those who claimed. now, if dylan was lying we would have 4. that seems much more normal dont you think? and two blues are already dead, and between karen cariad and dylan dylan is the one least likely to be a blue.

also, he roleclaimed for no reason. you never claim to be a vet unless youre hit. it makes no ****in sense. why did he claim at all??? why didnt he just claim townie? this is annoying me because he couldve potentially taken a mafia hit if he was town

dylans MUCH more cautious as town in my opinion, and doing this risky behavior is not normal. he thinks before he posts as town, even if hes wrong. but as mafia, and ive played like 3 games with him together as mafia, i know hes less careful and more risky. hes more willing to take risks as mafia, and i think its exactly what hes doing right now.

think about it - does dylan seem to be putting a lot of thought in his posts lately? hes busy, i know, but even when he was busy he made careful thoughtful posts. and i dont think he would ever be stupid enough to claim veteran as town. it makes no logical sense to claim vet when you have not been hit - it hurts town more than anything.

im curious to see what he will respond to this, but im with ash.

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also assuming theres 2 maf, we have 9 players

if the worse happens then

DAY 4 - we mislynch (6 town 2 maf)
NIGHT 4 - someone dies (5 town 2 maf)
DAY 5 - someone dies (4 town 2 maf)
NIGHT 5 - someone dies (3 town 2 maf)
DAY 6 is lylo basically. so we dont actually have that many lynches to go.

dont expect night kills to help, im more certain theyre just going to pick off confirmed town such as trundle.

so no, i dont want to guess anymore. i wish town would talk more, because at this rate we WILL die off. and we will lose. and that will be really dissapointing considering how town strong was in the beginning.

 

[Geoni]

a vet is useless this late in the game anyway, why does it matter

You see this is exactly what I was pointing out about you yesterday regarding the vote you put on me after I claimed, and you continue to try and convince town that I'm useless when in fact I'm standing in your way due to you only having 1 KP and needing to spend two nights on me. But apparently everyone keeps ignoring me pointing this out and just voting all over the place.

Right now, I suspect chees the most as the 2nd maf simply due to having townread all the other possibilities more than her, but good god Ashtot is transparent as a bad aesthetic blog on tumblr.

Also I'm in incredible pain in the fingers due to blisters forming on a lot of them and the entire fingernail on my right thumb split in half and is digging into that raw chunk of flesh underneath it so you're not getting super big posts from me, or much investment in the game at the moment because I'm in a lot of pain.

And Cariad is legit, don't know why yall are voting for her because her roleblocking me after I told her what to do with her role seems like something she'd do as pr.

 

[KermitTea]

I admit nick's role is sketchy but like you said doesn't explain the KP
n I don't like how he kept withholding info (eg starting as vig then vengeful vig n now third party whatever)
I didn't like the timing of dad's claim but I don't see a reason to doubt it?? sorta makes sense to have a vet in the game idk

 

[Geoni]

dylans MUCH more cautious as town in my opinion, and doing this risky behavior is not normal. he thinks before he posts as town, even if hes wrong. but as mafia, and ive played like 3 games with him together as mafia, i know hes less careful and more risky. hes more willing to take risks as mafia, and i think its exactly what hes doing right now.

Actually you know what, kind of un-townreading you right now and placing you as equally suspicious as Ashtot reading this, you're siding with him and with bad reasoning. A lot of that entire post you just made seems like an attempt to push a lynch on me with Ashtot, and the bad reasoning I'm talking about is two things: you say I'm riskier as maf than I am as town but you the host of literally my worst game as town on tbt (the last one) where I wasted both of my shots as vig on the first night, and in no way is outing myself as veteran risky at all. What risk does that put me in, to get shot by maf now that the vigilantes have wasted their ammo?

You're trying to convince people I'm riskier as mafia than I am as town? I'm more careful as mafia and it works to get me some maf wins, so I need to do the same as town. I'd like to ask you to compile evidence of my typical behavior as scum vs town in a way that isn't that idiom I'm forgetting about people choosing to only use a part of something for their own cause. Anyways, that bit about my 'risk' behavior is pulled out of your ass but at this point you might think the remaining players won't notice it but when you're doing that you're picking a fight with me and you know I'm not going to call this out so I don't get why you're doing it.

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you know I'm going to call you out on this*

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...XCOM was a bad game for me too though.

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CHERRY PICK IS WHAT IT WAS.

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It's gotta be Ashtot and justice.

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and i dont think he would ever be stupid enough to claim veteran as town. it makes no logical sense to claim vet when you have not been hit - it hurts town more than anything.

I'd love to hear you explain why that's not logical at this point in the game. Both vigilante shots have been fired and mafia are the only ones capable of killing now, and they have 1KP. I have two lives. The only way mafia can get rid of me is through wasting a night or a lynch. Explain how this isn't logical? I wasn't going to out until I realized this circumstance post SP vs Karen thing, when they both proved they were vigilantes at our own expense. I'm now sure Nick isn't mafia using his claim because we would have seen two kills last night unless I was hit. So the votes on him are thoughtless too.

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Putting my vote on justice because unlike Ashtot not giving much reason for his push and failing yesterday, justice looks like they're trying to find reasons for that lynch with a bunch of filler that looks like a big post so it must be thoughtful, right? If anyone reads that and thinks about all of the actions and kills of the game, they'll realize how baseless it all is. Try all you want but you're not going to get me lynched if I'm at my computer, but I'd like for everyone to be aware I'm not around for most of tomorrow until around two hours before the vote (I get off early Friday woo), so that's probably when they'll try and make a case on me or something.

 

[Ashtot]

You see this is exactly what I was pointing out about you yesterday regarding the vote you put on me after I claimed, and you continue to try and convince town that I'm useless when in fact I'm standing in your way due to you only having 1 KP and needing to spend two nights on me. But apparently everyone keeps ignoring me pointing this out and just voting all over the place.

Right now, I suspect chees the most as the 2nd maf simply due to having townread all the other possibilities more than her, but good god Ashtot is transparent as a bad aesthetic blog on tumblr.

Also I'm in incredible pain in the fingers due to blisters forming on a lot of them and the entire fingernail on my right thumb split in half and is digging into that raw chunk of flesh underneath it so you're not getting super big posts from me, or much investment in the game at the moment because I'm in a lot of pain.

And Cariad is legit, don't know why yall are voting for her because her roleblocking me after I told her what to do with her role seems like something she'd do as pr.

lol wtf if i was mafia why would i shoot the vet

 

[Geoni]

lol wtf if i was mafia why would i shoot the vet

You aren't going to, but I'm just pointing out the only two ways you can possibly get rid of me. You know better than wasting your shots on me but unfortunately I'm a veteran and I'm also decent at reading into things, but you should have killed me after Endless and you're probably regretting that now that I've finally caught the maf team's slip.

 

[Ashtot]

You aren't going to, but I'm just pointing out the only two ways you can possibly get rid of me. You know better than wasting your shots on me but unfortunately I'm a veteran and I'm also decent at reading into things, but you should have killed me after Endless and you're probably regretting that now that I've finally caught the maf team's slip.

dude wtf

ur case against me and justice is that we called u out

 

[Geoni]

called me out as illogical with the most illogical explanations*

I really hope the rest of town sees through yall.

 

[radical6]

why the hell would mafia EVER kill you if you were a vet? idk about ash but youre deadwrong on me.

and no, i think you play stupid as town and stupider as maf. if i look back at frozen, you were an idiot. portal mafia you were extemely obvious and sat on the sidelines the whole game.

if you were a vet why didnt you just claim townie so you could prove yourself? lmao?

why in the world would mafia want to get rid of you lol your role isnt helpful and youre just going to drive a lynch on a townie. why else would they kill you lmaooo

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also considering the games ive played with u the only time u were ever careful was that one scissor game where it was pms allowed

you took so many risks in frozen so lmao

 

[EpicGamer12]

I don't think you guys understand - town's win condition specifically says "you win when there are no threats left against the town". That means a killing survivor role - a threat to the town - cannot exist in the win condition. He either needs to win alone or with mafia. If he IS what he says he is, he needs to die. If he ISN'T, he needs to die!

LYNCH SUPERPENGUIN

 

[Forek]

Cmon guys heres the stuff right here

CONFIRMED TOWN:
Karen(?)
Trundle
Cariad So that leaves 5 players left, (excluding me) so

UNCONFIRMED/Sus
Superpenguin (i think hes town doe)
justice
Dad
chees4mees
Ashtot

I'm want to lynch one of these players, chees hasn't been really active though.

Currently Three townies left based off of claims:
justice
Ashtot
Chees4mees

One of these has to be lying, unless one of the blues are lying.

Blues that are left off of claims:
Karen
Cariad
Dad
Superpenguin

If really dont think theres 6 blues plus a mason pair though.

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oops forgot Nick is third party

 

[Geoni]

Survivors aren't the third party roles that threaten town Trundle, those are serial killers and a few others.

Also if Nick wasn't vig and was mafia, why didn't two people die the other day but only one yesterday? For him to have been maf lying as vig two would have died last night in order for three to have died that night. Do the math.