Mafia TBT Newbie Mafia: Steven Universe Mafia [END - Town + Shiida Win!]

[Kirbystarship]

I'M FINALLY DONE OMG JSKLDFJSLKFJSL Reads takes me forever to freaking make man LOL (Though I'm pretty guilty of like getting distracted since I keep wanting to take a short break after typing up a few reads LOL, so if anything I think this took me maybe around 1-2 hours without the distractions to make haha!) This was so tiring omg xD Anyways, I'm kind of not liking how it's pretty inactive here when I'm gone and not questioning people :') It seems like people are trying to suspect me for being the most active when in fact, not many people are posting at all or helping this thread move forward :')

On a different note, I'll like to see everyone's reads on all the players so far with reasons! Please and thanks! :3

Also a side note for everyone, I have work tomorrow (Wednesday) from 9am to 5pm PST time so don't expect me to be on until 6ish of tomorrow xD Though I may try to check in during my lunch break if I finish lunch quickly hahaha!~ Or if it's slow tomorrow and I may have some time to sneak on my phone to check in ;D
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Color Coding
Scum
Scum lean
Town lock
Town lead
Third Party
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1. Miharu - Hello!~ It's a me ;D
2. Kirbystarship - Looking through all his posts, I have a few questions for him. He definitely seems slightly suspicious, but in general Kirby is just always hard to read LOL So here are my questions for you:
1. When replying to Cass123, you said that everyone could always do a no lynch vote. You also said that another time in reply to shiida's post about her wanting to lynch herself. To me it looked like you wanted a no lynch because from your post here:



it seemed like you weren't 100% sure on who to lynch despite your suspicions on Esphas and mogyay. So why did you vote for Esphas instead of No Lynch? o:

3. Enchilada - There's really nothing I can say about Enchilada LOL He hasn't posted once in this thread. I'll be really upset if he was mod killed and turned out to be Town :') And of course, right now he's null for me. ; v ;
4. Xerolin - I'm looking through her replies and responses to my questions and to everyone's reply about her and after re-reading it, she doesn't seem as suspicious as I thought she was. The only thing I really find suspicious about her now is the fact that when we asked her a few questions, she just disappeared from the thread yet, just like Moonbrink, she was still posting in other threads around TBT. Though it's not as bad as with Moonbrink xD The only question I have for you Xerolin is this question that you haven't answered yet on this post: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?373800-TBT-Newbie-Mafia-Steven-Universe-Mafia-Night-1&p=6644335&viewfull=1#post6644335

Xerolin is pretty much known to not be active in Mafia games, so I'm taking that into consideration. For now I'll be having her down as null. xD

5. Moonbrink - I'm going to go ahead and scum lean Moonbrink for now because she's just really suspicious. She seemed eager for the game to start when she asked "so, when will this thread get started >.>" yet she hasn't been posting anything of content and she HAS been active on TBT, but hasn't been replying back on this thread. I find it hard to believe that she could "forget" about this thread if she "can't wait for it to get tense". Not to mention she said that she has a lot of time to kill. Most of her posts are just filler posts and hasn't been providing us much information at all. I would believe if she had a lot of time to spare, it'll make more sense for her to try to post reads or even try to help town with what little input she may have.

Also I'll be posting her most recent post that I questioned below in the spoiler:

After my last question to her post up above in the spoiler, she just disappeared from the thread again. It really seems like she's trying to avoid mine and many other's questions (I believe there were a few other questions she has not answered yet from other players). I looked through her recent activity on TBT, and she's posting in other threads so I really just don't know what's up LOL Not to mention when she suddenly appears in the thread again, she believes Kirby is scum because of his "great deductions recently and is quite active", yet I believe as of right now I was the most active and I pretty much made the first case on Esphas, so idk why she didn't suspect me as well? Was she worried about how I've been questioning a lot of people and she didn't want to feel pressured from me? Idk haha Not only that, shiida and Cass123 were also pretty active during this thread according to the post count at that time. xD

6. Seroja - I'll like to town lean Seroja for now :3 She seems like she's trying her best to help town by asking questions/giving reads/etc. So far none of her posts have really gave me any red flags yet. Her post in regards to Esphas's death also seemed genuine and like she was really upset that we chose the wrong person to lynch : ')
7. Cadbberry - Right now I have Cad as null for now, after the last game I played with her, I just find it hard for me to read Cad LOL So as the game progresses, I'll determine more when I see more posts from her. Most of her posts so far seemed more of a filler post to me (or like posts that were answering people's questions they had about the game etc etc, you'll see what I mean if you look through her posts XD ) There was only like 1-2 posts from her that had some pretty good content :3 Though it's understandable since the game didn't progress much during that time xD
8. tui - Tui hasn't posted too much, but her posts and opinions all seemed genuine. Her post about Esphas and her views on him was pretty right and she backed up her vote on why she voted for No Lynch. For someone who's playing for their first time, I think she's doing pretty well on her insight with Esphas despite the fact that she was inactive until the last few hours (which she listed her reasons why). Though I could see this as her trying to seem like town since Mafia KNOWS who each other is, so it's easy to say/defend someone who they know is town to seem like they are town and to lessen people's suspicions of them on Day 1. Though I may just be overthinking it ahaha it's just something I'm considering for future reference. This doesn't just apply to tui though. For now I'll like to half town lean her and half null her. I'll be looking forward to seeing more posts and insights from you! :3
9. Lucanosa - Right now I have Lucanosa as null. He hasn't posted much content for me to read him yet xD Hoping to see more posts from him and many others soon! :3 (I guess the only thing that stands out to me is his answer to the question of what he wanted to be known to do this game which was "help the newbies", that definitely seems helpful, but Lucanosa hasn't really posted much yet and doesn't seem very active right now if he wants to help the newbies xD My only question for you atm Lucanosa is, how will you be helping the newbies? o: What do you plan on doing to help us? :3
10. Cass123 - Right now I'll have Cass on half town lean and half null mainly because it DOES seem like Cass is trying her best to help out town and she's doing pretty well with helping, but most of her suspicions on the players (like Esphas/Kirby/Moonbrink) have already been brought up first by me or other players and she's just questioning them further xD So to me it seems like somewhat sheeping haha! But I may just be overthinking things! As this thread moves forward, we'll see! Right now I'm not really suspicious of Cass ahaha, it's just something I'm keeping in mind since not much as happened yet :3
11. Rosetti - Right now the only thing I picked up from Rosetti was his last minute vote on Esphas. He said:


But looking at the votes, his vote definitely made a difference. If he had chosen No Lynch, Esphas wouldn't have been lynched today. There is a chance that he may be sheeping and trying to blend in with the votes on Esphas to get rid of a town member if he was mafia, though he did mention that he didn't want to waste a vote on No Lynch so what he did was somewhat understandable. This is just something that caught my attention. For now I'll have Rosetti as null since most of his responses did seem like he really didn't know what to do xD Though I'll be keeping an eye on him.
12. Esphas - deceased :') Forgive me ; v ; <3
13. Shiida - I would like to believe that Shiida is the Onion haha XD She's been hinting since the beginning that she's an onion and she's been showing us that she doesn't want to be on the bad side of either sides since her main goal is to stay alive throughout this entire game to win. Though there is a chance that she could just be fooling us, but knowing shiida from playing with her last game, she did say that she's known for claiming early, so seeing her hint at her role is no surprise ahaha!
14. Qwerty111 - I'm pretty suspicious of Qwerty111 now due to her response to Mogyay. It definitely felt like she was on edge from feeling pressured. Her response looked like she was being really really defensive. Not to mention the fact that she had nothing to say about what's been happening so far when we asked (I don't even think she answered my question for her yet, though my question was simply what input she has with what's going on and if she could make any reads, though she pretty much answered it for me with her reply back to Mogyay's post). She's played 4 games so far, so I would assume she would at least have a small input on my situation with Esphas during that time. Even a little "oh I think Esphas seems like town and is just messing up since it's his first game" or vice versa would have sufficed. xD


After that last post from mogyay (up above in the spoiler), Qwerty never responded back even though she posted in regards to shiida's comment about shiida telling Mafia that shooting her(shiida) would be a waste. xD It looks like to me that she's trying to avoid Mogyay's post.

15. Mogyay - For mogyay's first game, I believe she's doing pretty well so far with her reads and input! I'll definitely like to town lean her since to me it looks like she's trying her best to help out town. I'll just like to put in that if Qwerty111 flips scum, then I'll definitely like to town lock Mogyay. Mogyay's post about Qwerty's response to her question definitely looked like Qwerty was on edge from feeling pressured.

I voted for them because I felt like they were scum and I felt like their claim was a safe claim and for thinking about sheeping.

I'm no longer sus of mogyay.

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Esphas that is. I think a no lynch is a bad idea because we would let scum live for a day and that is bad plus we waste a day.

 

[Seroja]

I'm writing my reads now. I'll post them before I go to bed.

6. Seroja - posted a lot of evidence as to why Xerolin was suspicious then decided to vote for Esphas in the end, despite previously mentioning how they weren't suspicious of him. they also had a huge overreaction to Esphas flipping town which reads suspiciously to me, so i've got a pretty strong scum lean towards them now

Hi tui! Thank you for posting your reads~ Please allow me explain myself.

First and foremost, if you read all of my posts thoroughly you would know that I was really against no lynch. I did state in post #215 that my vote would go to Esphas if no better candidate come up. Even though I was town leaning Esphas, and was more suspicious of Xerolin, #no lynch would happen if I voted for her instead. Not to mention, my 'evidence' against Xerolin wasn't strong enough for me to start a lynch on her. And there was also still a sliver of doubt in me that Esphas could be using a safe claim just like what Cadberry did in AoT. I was holding off voting until the very last minute (Post #273) to see if we could agree on a better candidate but it wasn't happening and I'd much rather mislynch than not lynching. It might seem like a stupid reason but I stand by it. I don't have another 48 hours to waste to be honest. Yes I admit I'm guilty of sacrificing him and precisely because of that, my reaction to him flipping town was not an overreaction at all. I was feeling really bad about it.

You see, if some of the players had contributed more to the thread during the 48 hours, we could have more to work with. Think of it this way: If we had no lynch, we'd probably have to wait another 48 hours with the same 6-7 people posting again. There wouldn't be much progress, sadly. Right now it looks like some of the players came on in the last few hours to vote (for a no lynch) and then disappeared right after. Might I add 3 didn't vote at all. I was paranoid that nothing would change on D2 with no lynch. At least looking at the Esphas lynch bandwagon can give us something to work with. I like progress and this is progress.

Also, I know you had a legit reason for not posting, but some were avoiding this thread while posting in others.

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Ohh and you can refer to me as she/her ^^

 

[piichinu]

Actually if you had voted xerolin esphas still would have been lynched because he reached the most votes first, right?

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I never tallied the votes so idk.

 

[Miharu]

since i'm awake and have a coffee, i'll post my reads. i'll use the same format as miharu as i think it's clear and works nicely, so here goes:
1. Miharu - i'm still very much on the fence about miharu in that whereas she is very very active and is questioning people and contributing and looking like she's helping town, all of this seems almost like a cover. reading through all her posts again reveals an eagerness to pin suspicion on somebody - as did happen with esphas who turned out to be town, and her effort to appear very strongly as being in town (the most obvious cases of this being her reaction around the time of the lynch and her almost overreaction to the results of the lynch.) i wanted to stay on the fence about miharu as she is helping with investigations a lot, but currently there are too many red flags being raised so i'm currently reading a mild scum lean for her.

Morning! <: I need to type this up fast since I have work soon LOL But I don't think I'll be able to reply much at all once I'm at work xD Normally I have my lunch break at 12pm or 12:30pm rip ahaha, but anyways, in the bolded part that I bolded up above, I wasn't eager to pin a suspicion on anyone, I was more eager to get the thread started and going since the thread wasn't moving at all. The only person who actually tried to really get the thread going was shiida (and thanks to Esphas, we were able to move the thread along between my questioning and Esphas's) I asked a lot of question to gather more information judging by their responses and it's something we can use in the long run when we need to look back. As for my reaction, I don't think it's an overreaction at all for my part. xD I mean if you gathered a case on someone and you are set to lynch them because of your suspicions of them and they turned out town, yeah, I'll feel like **** and want to crawl into a hole and hide LOL As I've told others, this mindset isn't bad to have since mafia members are trying to blend in as town. Though I want you to keep in mind that if I wasn't being active, the thread wouldn't have moved much at all and we would have had a lot less information to work with :')

I voted for them because I felt like they were scum and I felt like their claim was a safe claim and for thinking about sheeping.

I'm no longer sus of mogyay.

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Esphas that is. I think a no lynch is a bad idea because we would let scum live for a day and that is bad plus we waste a day.

Why are you no longer suspicious of mogyay? o:

Also could you post your reads please? :3

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Hi shiida!~ Could you please post your reads? cx

 

[Qwerty111]

I think Moonbrink is someone I'm pretty sus of.

She says a lot of off topic things, which makes her seem like she's pretty active, post count wise... but she's not.

I think the egg is plotting our murders >.>

can't wait for it to get tense

so, when will this thread get started >.>

I really feel like this is going to pretty intense in day two or three. I'm hoping because I have alot of time to kill.

(gah the word kill here just gives me the heebie jeebies.)

Anyway, into some actual ready stuff, because THE EVIDENCE GODS ARE SMILING ON ME TODAY

HOLY CRAP GUYS sorry I haven't been on just saw that esphas was lynched as a townie. rest in peace esphas. tbh I think kirby is scum, he has been making some great deductions recently and is quite active. maybe he is trying to cover the fact that he is scum? idk guys probably wrong. >.>

While a pretty good suggestion, Everyone has kind of been active. There's like 4, 5 people who have been very active at one time. Though Kirby has been rather active, significantly so. But hey.. maybe they have more time to kill than you. It is summer break season! Also, the "great deductions" phrase makes me think that Kirby has been picking up on some of Moon's scum mates, and now they're getting in a huff about it.

(in response to the above post)

But you have been on o: You've been posting in other threads xD Are you caught up with the posts now? o:
Also between kirby and me, I think I'm one of the most active around here xD

(to which moon replied...)

I meant like on this thread and yes you are the most active but kirby is also pretty active.

This only confirms it. Moon doesn't want to apply pressure to Kirby because they're active, only because of some other reason, maybe not b/c of found scum mates, but another one? Either way, she made this "read" to try and get us off her back. If you really were going to call someone out because they were active, wouldn't you pick the most active?

 

[f11]

Reminder to send in actions if you have not as night is ending in 3 hours

 

[Cadbberry]

Hi shiida!~ Could you please post your reads? cx

Reads aren't usually something you want to post mid-night, it can give mafia more ideas for framing and who to kill. If you have any more reads I suggest right before nights end is the time to post reads that way they have less time if they want to frame someone.

 

[piichinu]

Miharu all I will say is down with moonbrink and tui.

Also when people use both activity and inactivity to label people as scum

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Reads aren't usually something you want to post mid-night, it can give mafia more ideas for framing and who to kill. If you have any more reads I suggest right before nights end is the time to post reads that way they have less time if they want to frame someone.

Oops yolo

 

[Seroja]

Actually if you had voted xerolin esphas still would have been lynched because he reached the most votes first, right?

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I never tallied the votes so idk.

I voted after Cass123 unvoted Esphas to vote for Moonbrink.

The tallies were

SHIIDA

shiida

ESPHAS

miharu
cass123
cadberry
tardis/kirby
seroja
rosetti

Total votes= 5

NO LYNCH

esphas
tui
qwerty
xerolin

Total votes= 4

MOONBRINK

shiida
cass123

Total votes= 2

QWERTY111

mogyay

Total votes= 1

NOT VOTING

enchilada
lucanosa
moonbrink

Total votes= 3

 

[Qwerty111]

Also when people use both activity and inactivity to label people as scum &#55357;&#56384;

ikr you need to get that perfect mix™

 

[piichinu]

since i'm awake and have a coffee, i'll post my reads. i'll use the same format as miharu as i think it's clear and works nicely, so here goes:
1. Miharu - i'm still very much on the fence about miharu in that whereas she is very very active and is questioning people and contributing and looking like she's helping town, all of this seems almost like a cover. reading through all her posts again reveals an eagerness to pin suspicion on somebody - as did happen with esphas who turned out to be town, and her effort to appear very strongly as being in town (the most obvious cases of this being her reaction around the time of the lynch and her almost overreaction to the results of the lynch.) i wanted to stay on the fence about miharu as she is helping with investigations a lot, but currently there are too many red flags being raised so i'm currently reading a mild scum lean for her.

2. Kirbystarship - most of what kirby posted at the start was completely irrelevant to the game itself which seems to be to be a very passive way to try and get the thread moving in order to appear very neutral. also seemed to sheep along with miharu's suspicions surrounding esphas and mogyay's answer to Q2 of the RQS, despite previously having a lot to say about sheeping and stating how it is bad. furthermore:

i feel suspicious about him treating the decision for a no lynch as a last resort to 'finding' somebody to lynch as this makes him look all too eager to get somebody lynched even if there aren't any strong leans or suspicions regarding their role. so i'm reading a scum lean for him.

3. Enchilada - isn't playing, sooo null

4. Xerolin - hasn't posted anything that is raising any red flags with me yet but hasn't seemed to actively make reads or help town so null for now.

5. Moonbrink - hasn't really posted anything of much use, the situation with the post edit raises suspicions but it seemed like a genuine mistake and since it's a newbie game these can be expected. i don't feel like i've seen enough substantial contributions from her in order to give an accurate read, so null for now although i am slightly suspicious over her prolonged disappearance around the time of the lynch when activity with everybody else picked up.

6. Seroja - posted a lot of evidence as to why Xerolin was suspicious then decided to vote for Esphas in the end, despite previously mentioning how they weren't suspicious of him. they also had a huge overreaction to Esphas flipping town which reads suspiciously to me, so i've got a pretty strong scum lean towards them now

7. Cadbberry - brought a lot of suspicions surrounding other players up near the beginning of the game and questioned them accordingly instead of just sheeping along with the Esphas investigation. i have no suspicions of them so far so i'm reading a town lean for them.

i have to get up and get ready to go to school now, but since i'm at the halfway point i'll continue with the rest of my reads tonight when i get back.

When someone scumleans all your townleans

 

[Kirbystarship]

Morning! <: I need to type this up fast since I have work soon LOL But I don't think I'll be able to reply much at all once I'm at work xD Normally I have my lunch break at 12pm or 12:30pm rip ahaha, but anyways, in the bolded part that I bolded up above, I wasn't eager to pin a suspicion on anyone, I was more eager to get the thread started and going since the thread wasn't moving at all. The only person who actually tried to really get the thread going was shiida (and thanks to Esphas, we were able to move the thread along between my questioning and Esphas's) I asked a lot of question to gather more information judging by their responses and it's something we can use in the long run when we need to look back. As for my reaction, I don't think it's an overreaction at all for my part. xD I mean if you gathered a case on someone and you are set to lynch them because of your suspicions of them and they turned out town, yeah, I'll feel like **** and want to crawl into a hole and hide LOL As I've told others, this mindset isn't bad to have since mafia members are trying to blend in as town. Though I want you to keep in mind that if I wasn't being active, the thread wouldn't have moved much at all and we would have had a lot less information to work with :')


Why are you no longer suspicious of mogyay? o:

Also could you post your reads please? :3



Hi shiida!~ Could you please post your reads? cx

I'm no longer sus at mogyay because looking back at their RQS I think they worded it rong. I don't want to post my reads when it is night time so mafia doesn't kill me for being on the right track.

 

[SlipStitch626]

Here's who I'm scum leaning at the moment. As Miharu mentioned I post about someone after another person already made mention of them. I am slow and this is my first game. I'm not going to bother with explaining myself since everyone's already explained their cases on these people but feel free to ask me anyway. Everyone else is null because I can't read them due to low post counts or just flat out being bad at doing so. So I guess sorry for being a noob in a noob game.

1. Miharu
2. Kirbystarship
3. Enchilada
4. Xerolin
5. Moonbrink
6. Seroja
7. Cadbberry
8. tui
9. Lucanosa
10. Cass123
11. Rosetti
12. Esphas
13. Shiida
14. Qwerty111
15. Mogyay

 

[Cadbberry]

Here's who I'm scum leaning at the moment. As Miharu mentioned I post about someone after another person already made mention of them. I am slow and this is my first game. I'm not going to bother with explaining myself since everyone's already explained their cases on these people but feel free to ask me anyway. Everyone else is null because I can't read them due to low post counts or just flat out being bad at doing so. So I guess sorry for being a noob in a noob game.

1. Miharu
2. Kirbystarship
3. Enchilada
4. Xerolin
5. Moonbrink
6. Seroja
7. Cadbberry
8. tui
9. Lucanosa
10. Cass123
11. Rosetti
12. Esphas
13. Shiida
14. Qwerty111
15. Mogyay

Why shiida though since they have really softed Onion. whom wins with both sides? Also use orange for scum lean, red is scum read (you would know they were scum)

 

[piichinu]

Has anyone done a proper explanation on why I'm scummy? I think you should do that for me since yea your other scum people were explained at one point but not me.

 

[SlipStitch626]

Why shiida though since they have really softed Onion. whom wins with both sides? Also use orange for scum lean, red is scum read (you would know they were scum)

I cannot edit. So sorry for using the wrong color. But I did say scum lean before posting them.
Shiida because she seems to be trying to confuse, I don't know, everyone. Which to me is bad news. First she soft claimed as Onion, now she's hinting that she can't be killed at knight.

 

[piichinu]

I hinted that I can't be killed at night?

 

[Cadbberry]

I cannot edit. So sorry for using the wrong color. But I did say scum lean before posting them.
Shiida because she seems to be trying to confuse, I don't know, everyone. Which to me is bad news. First she soft claimed as Onion, now she's hinting that she can't be killed at knight.

Can I get a quote on that cant be killed at night thing

 

[SlipStitch626]

There isn't much else for me to say except to try to find the posts where you're claiming you can't be killed at night. Someone would probably get around to a read on you before me because often reads get posted while I'm writing one but I'll give it a shot.

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@Cad. Yes give me a moment to find it

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Just a heads up for mafia but shooting me is a waste of ur KP ��
And with that I'm out.

There is no way for me to know if you are actually town or not so you could be using this to confuse people.

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Power roles have kill power too, do they not?

 

[Cadbberry]

There isn't much else for me to say except to try to find the posts where you're claiming you can't be killed at night. Someone would probably get around to a read on you before me because often reads get posted while I'm writing one but I'll give it a shot.

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@Cad. Yes give me a moment to find it

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There is no way for me to know if you are actually town or not so you could be using this to confuse people.

If they are Onion then this is because they win with both sides and choose who they can side with, so the mafia would be wasting a shot on someone who wins with them