Mafia TBT Newbie Mafia: Steven Universe Mafia [END - Town + Shiida Win!]

[f11]

The post is going to be a bit daylayed, I apologize for that

 

[Seroja]

Can we post in the meantime?

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Can we post in the meantime?

Forgot to add colour

 

[f11]

Can we post in the meantime?

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Can we post in the meantime?

Forgot to add colour

of course

 

[Seroja]

@Cad will you have more time to be on tonight? I would like to suggest that we don't immediately start a lynch on Qwerty like what you guys did with Moonbrink. Please give them some time to defend themselves and look at other suspects. I believe we are tunneling all the wrong people and mafia are just watching us lynching our own people.

 

[f11]

Greg died doing what his friends and family would be so proud of him doing. As the Homeworld gems were approaching the Temple, he needed to stall for the Crystal Gems to be ready. He said his final goodbyes to the ones around him and hopped in his van. Speeding he continued to inch closer to the the homeworld gems on the road. To strong sentient gem aliens a van is barely anything. Subsequently, Greg was killed by the Homeworld Gems, with his van totaled.

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Tui was killed, and should have got a Semi-Truck instead.

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Town Remaining: ??/??
Mafia Remaining: ??/??

Players remaining: 1/15

Mafia KP = 1


You have 48 hours to decide to Lynch. Day Three ends roughly 3PM EST time. Good luck.

 

[SlipStitch626]

I'm currently on my way to a family event. I'll check up when I can but there isn't much 4G coverage. I'll post more after after I'm home and rested. RIP Greg/tui.

 

[Cadbberry]

@Cad will you have more time to be on tonight? I would like to suggest that we don't immediately start a lynch on Qwerty like what you guys did with Moonbrink. Please give them some time to defend themselves and look at other suspects. I believe we are tunneling all the wrong people and mafia are just watching us lynching our own people.

I am going to try to be online more, I have just a 100 things to do and such little time. I want Qwerty to defend them self, if they will not question dodge their way out of it and actually try to defend them self unlike just giving up like moonbrink. We are getting no where and they should only have one KP since GF is dead? I think a lot of them are hiding beind a town lynch band wagon so maybe we should look more a late voters but it could even be players we all town read, that has happened before. If I have the time I will try to go through every post and look for anything sus, just so little time to do everything, ya know

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Awww rip Tui and the poor van too

 

[Seroja]

This is making my head spin. Good bye tui ;A; I feel so lost because another active town player is killed. I am having second thoughts on all of my reads. I really really think we should look at each and every player in a new perspective and try to see if there are anything suspicious at all about them even if they may appeared to be actively pro town. This applies especially to the town read players who haven't been scum read at all. There is also a possibility that either Sparro or Locket is scum.

I will be making a new read soon. If you want to help lynch scum for once, pls make a new one too based on your own guts and deductions. It's preferable if you make your reads before reading anyone else's. I am not forcing you to do this, but it'll be easier for us to weed out who to trust and who isn't.

 

[rosetti]

@Seroja
I wrote this probably while you wrote your case on Rosetti so I'll read it in depth after I make this post.

@everyone: I will be unavailable from about 11:00 am PDT (1 hour before daybreak) tomorrow for probably 30 hours. I will be out of town for a family event but if I have 4G coverage I will try to catch up or post, but I won?t be using quotes because I?ll be on mobile.

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I?m not going to make a read on everyone since its night. If I live to D3 I?ll post another read.
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I?m most suspicious of Qwerty111. They haven?t posted much but seem really defensive still, and are still dodging questions. Sorry but answering one question does not make up for all the others you haven?t answered.

You seemed really defensive in your initial post.



Here is the convo between you and Mogyay

Spoiler: Mogyay and Qwerty111 convo

Note: I don?t see how you answered any questions. How are we to know what you?re like in real life?

Note: pretty defensive if you ask me.

You also dodged this question directed at you

Spoiler: dodged question

even though you answered me when I asked if you were sheeping.

You posted a case on Moonbrink after I already made one on him so I?m still not sure if you were sheeping or bandwagoning, or just failed to see my case.

Also this is the fakest post I?ve seen in this thread



I have no reason to believe you are trying to help town so I?m reading you as scum lean. Please fight this if you are indeed town.
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Rosetti I?m still slightly scum leaning you because while I understand we all get busy, I don?t see why you couldn?t have posted that you were busy instead of going MIA for almost 48 hours.
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Locket I?m slightly scum leaning you because you haven?t made any unrushed reads and you didn?t vote, while you could have gone for no lynch. Additionally, since there was only one kill made by mafia N1, I think that the role you took over is a mafia role.

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Here's your answer to what sheeping is:

As for your vote why would you go with the most recent post?

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@Seroja
I know you asked us to be critical, but I have nothing to disagree with. She changed camps pretty fast and I picked up on her sheeping both times. I also took note of her being MIA for almost the entirety of D2. I made a few mentions of her activity in my reads but nothing in depth since I was still trying to decide if she's a confused townie or mafia, I still am actually but I'm leaning more towards scum unless she makes her case.

when i said i was busy, i literally didn't have the time to come online that day or go into anything in depth, i wasn't expecting to be so busy but some stuff happened which were my biggest priorities, i said earlier but i'm off work next week so i'll have more time to be active on the thread and i can hopefully contribute more, i understand why not being active looks bad but it wasn't my intentions;;

also thank you for letting me know what sheeping is, i understand it better, i actually pmed someone about it but i didn't fully understand their answer and i was too embarrassed to ask again so i thought i had an idea of what it was - this is entierly my fault for not knowing, when i asked seroja in my post last night it was late and i didn't actually mention any of this and i was also on mobile so it's difficult to navigate/read over my post

about the most recent post, i had explained in my read what i thought of the 'rip' post, i didn't have much thought on their earlier posts (although some other people did), i didn't feel as if there was enough for me to go off of then but their most recent post at that time rised an alert to me as it seemed that they just didn't care (i explained it all in my read), i also took into consideration that they're a newbie

@Seroja - i don't want to quote your whole post because it's long and will come out strange with missing quotes so here are my thoughts on your case.

general wishywashy-ness: i too have noticed the indecision in rosetti's posting but that seems to be their meta and general posting style over the whole forum. obviously, for the reasons you've pointed out, it's not suited to mafia - being indecisive and adding a lot of 'idk' and subsequent buffers to the end of their posts makes their opinions and thoughts seem forced rather than direct and truthful. this comes over as a scummy thing as obviously mafia know who mafia are, so they have to deliberately and knowingly pin those roles on town/blue/third party roles, and try and come up with reasons for such and if you can't find good enough reasons then out comes the 'but i'm not quite sure' and 'idk'. on the other side of the coin, i would expect a mafia member to be more cunning and direct in their posts, but since this is a newbie game everybody generally seems to be playing as themselves rather than putting too much thought into how others may see their posts.

miharu as scum: initially i read miharu as scum too because i didn't agree with the reasons she singled esphas out for scum - which inevitably lead to his lynch. this came across as scummy to me since it's mafia's intention to pin it on town players and miharu did really drive the accusation home. as we know the result of this was that miharu was town and her intention were good rather than bad - she just investigated and played better than i was expecting for a newbie game. but rosetti suspected both miharu and esphas just on the basis that they were the most active, which i agree with you, is not a good enough reason. seeing that post again, the thing that stands out to me more is the amount of people she had suspicion over and named - 5 (miharu, esphas, cadbberry, shiida and you) and then later on she names another 4 (lucanosa, xerolin, enchilada and myself) - for a grand total of 9 different people with little reasoning as to why they are suspicious. also note that the one person, kirby, who has actually flipped town, is not in that mix, despite the fact he was an active player when he was alive.

sheeping: the fact that this late in the game and they're still not sure what sheeping is is slightly worrying given that another player asked what it was on D1 and there was also discussion surrounding the term after that. due to being inactive i had to quickly read the first 20-something pages yet i still managed to pick that up.

luckily they do seem to be addressing the questions people are asking them, but very briefly but this is probably down to the fact that it was at the end of their very large reads post. i'm not sure if you (seroja) got as far as reading through rosetti's reads but i'd like to hear what you think of those too, especially since a lot of the people she had down as suspicious during her posts throughout the game she now has as town leans, and i'm almost inclined to think that this is a) an attempt to blend in since listing 9 people as scum leans is very out of the ordinary or b) a redaction of her previous suspicions, in which case, rosetti, what changed your mind about myself, seroja and caddberry in particular? these are the three that stick out the most to me as none of your reads mention the previous suspicions you had for them (unlike your read for lucanosa which states your previous suspicions, which is why these three reads stick out in particular for me).

anyway, those are my thoughts on rosetti. i'm still very hesitant in reading them as scum so i'd like to see their answer to my last question before (and if) i change my mind on their current read.

and a heads-up for people: i'm not going to be around to see the end results of the night since i'm at a party but depending on how hungover i am i should be able to post again around this time tomorrow. i have a few replies to make and questions to ask but i need a coffee and a shower so those will come soon.

hopefully some stuff was cleared up in my response to seroja's case - i hope it can come into consideration with some of your thoughts, but for your direct questions @me i'll do them in a list:

tui/yourself - i did ac touch a lil on my suspicions for you earlier in my recent read (i didn't do it just for lucanosa), i may be repeating myself a little bit but hopefully this is a bit more in depth, i changed my mind since you were one of the more inactive players at first, this made me think that you could've been hiding something and playing low so nobody would notice you or have anything to point out/pick up on that could be bad, this wasn't much to go off at the start now looking back, i began to change your mind as you became more active so i could 'analyse' more of your posts, they're all/mostly very well thought out and show your opinions (i didn't feel as if you were trying to hide so much in these posts and i don't think i should use 'inactivity' so much as a reasoning, especially as i know how it feels now), also when you've been questioned you've explained yourself completely without avoiding anything - this all shows pretty good qualities of being town imo, i hope this is more in depth and that i haven't missed anything out - if i see that i have i'll correct myself later (i'm starting to get tired from typing a lot rip im weak)

seroja - i may have went over this a lil bit in my response to seroja (this also applies for cad) but my original reasoning wasn't going off of much as it was so early on in the game, the way i viewed people at first of being suspisious was how they were asking so many questions, i didn't really know anything about mafia so i wasn't sure what to pick up on as being suspisious, as the game went on from then i learned that asking questions was actually a sign of people being town (usually/if they were the 'right' questions) as they were trying to find out infomation and sus who's who/what's what, my own thoughts/understanding of the game is what changed my opinion on seroja

cad - (i said this just before but i also touched on cad in my response to seroja which may help answer your Q's/understanding of me here) my orignal suspisions of cad were very minor to start with, i should've colour coded my earlier reads but i would've had her as 'null', i was still very unsure of who to be suspisious of at that point in the game, but since then i can see that cad has explained a bit about whether or not she agrees with people, nothing really seems to strike out at me apart from there's not much depth into her readings on everyone in general, i've noticed she went into it a bit more with moonbrink but some members she hasn't really mentioned yet which is she she's half nul half town in my reading - i hope this has explained things a bit more

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i'm pretty tired now so i'll catch up on the rest of the readings/replies to people tomorrow, i mentioned yesterday (or at least sometime earlier) that'll i'll be able to be more active next week as i'm not at work but i've still got a few family responsabilities so i'm not here 24/7

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i checked the results incase i died otherwise i wouldn't be able to post all this but ugh rip tui </3, my response may be a bit useless now but it may clear up other peoples suspisions

 

[Locket]

Day three...
I'll try to not make "rushed reads"
I'm still not accustomed to the game yet, and I'm trying as hard as i can

 

[N e s s]

I'm a bit late, but /obs

 

[mogyay]

i'm just back from work and i did not expect that at all, for me this changes a lot of my reads... i'm just home from a 12 hour shift so i apologise that i'm unable to comment any more than that but i will post tomorrow when i get the chance. rip tui <3

 

[Locket]

i'm just back from work and i did not expect that at all, for me this changes a lot of my reads... i'm just home from a 12 hour shift so i apologise that i'm unable to comment any more than that but i will post tomorrow when i get the chance. rip tui <3

Wow, thats a long shift

I think I'd die if I had to work that long

 

[Seroja]

Wow, thats a long shift

I think I'd die if I had to work that long

Bunny, have you caught up with everything?

I also noticed that you have not answered the RQS yet. Can you answer these?

1. What is your timezone?
2. How do you react under pressure?
3. Do you prefer to play as town or mafia?
4. What are you going to be known to do this game?
5. How many games have you played?

It's a start at least.

 

[Seroja]

@Sparro

I hope you can post your thoughts /reads on everyone soon.

@Qwerty please come and defend yourself. If you are town please do your best to prove your innocence and save town from another mislynch. We have wasted two days ;A;

@Rosetti it seems that I am not fully satisfied with your answers after all. I know you said you were clueless and could very well be just a confused town. But you could also be a confused mafia and used these reasons to appear town. You also have not answered some questions in my last post about you. I also find it hard to believe that you couldn't at least pop into the thread for a few sec to let us know you'll busy because I have seen you online elsewhere for a couple of hours. I will put you on a scum lean for now.

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Now a few things on mog. I know I've been town reading you since Day 1 but I am starting to have second thoughts on you. You appeared to be questioning enough people to 'appear town's and people are quick to town read you and you've been slipping under the radar for so lonh. I had said that your posts seems transparent and straightforward but after looking back, there are some things seem shady enough for me to want to look into.

i made a huge read list but i'm not gonna post it since night has pretty much ended

When I first read this, I was curious. Why did you think it was pointless to post a read after night ended? Isn't it better to post your reads AFTER night ended since you couldn't be targeted anymore? Did you really make a list, or were you trying to fool town into thinking that you made one? Right after saying this, you jumped straight into being sus of Luca. Was it meant to distract others from suspecting you?

Spoiler

you haven't been posting freely though, does that make you scum? i also re-quoted all my questions to you that you didn't answer. we never did get to hear your insights regarding esphas at all, only your insights after miharu was killed. although you are being helpful towards the new players it's only after miharu actually called you out on it so i don't think you helping is a sure sign you're town. let's hope you actually go through with your post this time, unlike before. right now i'm leaning on scum for you.

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i also think it's important to look at miharu's reads to gain some potential insights into why she may have been killed (she was a very strong town player so these don't have to necessarily mean anything (as luca mentioned) but i think it's important to look)

qwerty111: when i called you out you did make one read but i don't think it was that helpful, other people had already made a case against moonbrink. i do think your read was actually kind of insightful but it was only one so i'd like to see more, it looks like you're trying to blend back into the shadows now the heat is off you again. it's also really suspicious how you're avoiding any questioning. you didn't answer my last one to you and you didn't answer miharu's either. what are you so afraid of? i keep going back to your answers where you say you're on edge if you're mafia...

moonbrink: i'm leaning mafia towards you, i find it really odd how you actually had a right read on kirby but you acted so coy about it. as qwerty mentioned there were other more active players but you only mentioned kirby? not only that but you said kirby's reads were good? as far as i can see they're not that good. so why did you suspect him for all the wrong reasons despite being right? lucky guess or were you working together? are you throwing us off the scent by pretending to suspect him? the reason i mention this is because why else would you post something so stupid



why post it if you think it's wrong. unless you want us to believe it's wrong so we didn't lynch kirby? don't post reads you think are wrong as that's just going to confuse town.

i will post reads on everyone later (might just colour code people depending on time, sorry busy day with work and school) but these are my main suspects right now

I know you were busy with work (hope you'll have a good rest), but reading this made me notice that you have yet to post an in depth reads on everyone despite already having written a 'huge reads list'. Why didn't you share that with us? What's holding you back?

hello everyone, since it's night i don't plan on posting any more reads but my opinions have stayed relatively the same but with a few shifts of users towards scum, i don't plan on commenting who just now as i don't want scum to be at any advantage but i will post as soon as i am able to. unfortunately i have a pretty long day tomorrow so it might be slightly later i'm able to post (10pm gmt) but i'll try my best to use my phone.

Here you said you don't plan on posting any reads at Night. But on Night 1 you said you won't post your reads because Night ended. Care to explain this contradiction? Since you're someone who is very familiar with Mafia, I will not consider 'confused townie' a possibility for you.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FEEL. I'M SO SORRY MIHARU (you were a great player) BUT WE'RE DOWN ONE SO THAT IS A GOOD THING

After N1 ended, your reaction got some of us a bit confused. We thought you shot Miharu but you said no. Why the strong reaction then? Was it because you're a part of mafia and had a hand in killing her? I guess it could just be because you felt a big loss but this reaction strikes me as really odd and for a night death.

I really hope you're town but if your answers do not satisfy me I will have to scum lean you.

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We have 48 hours to work this out. I really think Mafia is hiding really well among us so it will be helpful to start looking at the least suspicious people, including me.

And once again I really hope we will not start a lynch on Qwerty yet because it's starting to give me the same feeling as with Esphas and Moonbrink.

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Excuse my typos- I wrote all of that using my phone.

 

[SlipStitch626]

@seroja
You make excellent points and even I have overlooked the suspicious posts made by mogyay. I had her read as town from the start but it seems that many of our reads are wrong. I'm starting to think that she is trying too hard to fit in, especially now that she is contradicting herself about when to post reads. I appreciate you looking deeper into this. I was planning to review the thread tomorrow and I still will. I'm hoping to see things in a different light.

On the topic of qwerty111, I agree that we should give them the chance to defend themselves and I hope they will.

I would also like to hear more from mogyay.

 

[tui]

goodbye everybody! i had so much fun playing tbh and can't wait to play more games of mafia round the forums. i'll still have fun observing the rest of the game and obviously i'm gunning for a town win so good luck! thank you all for making my first game so much fun <3

 

[Qwerty111]

I'm really sus of Shiida atm.

In my opinion, Survivor is a pretty easy role to claim. Your goal is to live, and while you're not really town, you're not really a threat either and since Shiida "claimed" so early, nobody has been sus of them at all!

Onto my points.

1)The aforementioned Survivor is an easy role to claim.

2) They haven't posted since right after Night 2 ended, despite being quite active in the forums.

that's what I was doing but I didn't wanna outright say it since I had him as scum earlier and he didn't notice lol but w/e guess people didn't pick up on that

They haven't posted on the thread in a long time, and I guess trying to blend in?

Just a heads up for mafia but shooting me is a waste of ur KP ��
And with that I'm out.

and then....

My post is vague because I'm trying not to get shot or lynched.
And I think mogyay is town unless someone who I won't name flips town.

you're so goddamn defensive of yourself, i'm starting to think you're not a survivor at all, you're trying not to stick out like a sore thumb, and more worried about saving yourself than anyone else.... oh. so you may be a survivor after all. So, here's a question. Would you prefer winning with mafia or town?

And the whole "mogyay is town unless someone i won't name flips town" business sounds shady af but i guess that's probably just me

Also if the "someone I won't name" has flipped town, could you tell us? Having more confirmed town would be great!

 

[piichinu]

>quite active in the forums
>3 posts outside the cellar
don't twist things to make what you're saying look better thanks
regardless I haven't posted because I have nothing to say lol

how am I "so goddamn defensive" of myself? like if you see anything I've said that's overly defensive of myself let me know.

does it matter who I'd prefer winning with? i don't care who i win with lol I'm going with whoever' winning. it's not like I can choose to help either side since I can be wrong sometimes and I'm not god so I'll just be posting what I know. you realize how that makes your entire post scummy right?
1) if any of my reads are right this would irritate mafia (possibly you and part of your team)
2) mafia gets curious about who I'd rather help
3) they then want to lead a lynch on me to waste town's vote
now I do think this strategy is stretch and it's pretty dumb but you never know.

another thing that could be true is that you're town and you genuinely don't know if I'm maf or not. now what I don't like about this is you're pretty suspicious to a lot of people so that could be your plan.

you do realize if I say who that person is itd just put a target on their head right? they're not dead yet.

 

[rosetti]

@Rosetti

Thank you so much for for taking the time to make this read. About me saying you've posted no reads: I meant a more in depth reads rather than just wild guesses that you made in D1. It's not making up an excuse. It was a glaring evidence at the time since almost everyone else came on on N1&D2 to make colour coded reads.

Also, since some people have put me on null / scum reads why do you feel it unnecessary for me to stress on the fact that I'm town?

I noticed that you tend to be suspicious of people who were less active on day 1. What does that say about your own inactivity on night 1 and day 2? By that logic, aren't you being scummy as well? You said you were busy, but so did the others (Lucanosa, tui). So why are you still sus of them because of that reason?

I would like to also point out that you wishing others to be more active + give more reads to be a bit weird especially for Cad because she's been more active than you.



Okay you telling me you don't know what sheeping is raised major red flags to me. As pointed out by tui, sheeping was a large part of the discussion on Day 1 and it was one of the major reason why Esphas was being scum read by a lot of people. Cass and Esphas both asked for the meaning of sheeping and Kirby even provided a link to it. Are you telling me, this far into the game, that you still don't know what sheeping is? This has me wondering how you made your reads. Did you read the whole thread or selectively pick posts of certain players? And btw I don't automatically think that anyone who sheeps is scum. It's just something that I like to look into just to be on the safe side

On the bolded part: I don't really get what you mean here. What's the correlation between asking people to look at my reads and who have voted for Moonbrink. I don't suspect you because you voted for Moonbrink. I was just curious about your vote but you've clarified that in your reads.

Also as tui pointed out, in your earlier reads, you pointed out 9 people who you were sus of but none of them were Moonbrink and/or Qwerty111 who you scum read on your latest reads (your only scum reads too!). Coincidentally, they were also the most popular scum reads on N1-D2. We're you influenced by people's reads & cases, or were you trying to blend in?

Anyway, since Moonbrink flipped town, who else are you sus of aside from Qwerty?

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