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I was starting to lean on null on Moonbrink because they gave up too quickly. Listen, my scum reads may not be at all accurate too. We're overlooking Locket and there is still a chance that they might be scum. Sparrow, I implore you to catch up soon and post as frequent as you can.

The problem with this game is there are too many players who posted so little that we tend to scum read the active ones and mislynch them. I was hoping to avoid the same situation from happening today but I fell asleep ;A; I am so sorry. I really meant to sway the votes this time ughh.

I suggest we don't sleep on the inactive players anymore and really push them so we can make better reads for them. I'll also look at my town leans again to reassess their possible alignments. There might be scum among them if I'm not careful.

Andd also it seems that everyone voted for Moonbrink. Some of the voters might be scum- looking at you Rosetti.

@Rosetti: this is the second time you sheeped. Why did you vote for Moonbrink? You weren't on at all and you didn't post any reads on him. You could have voted for a no lynch like Sparro.

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@mog because if you look at my latest read, Rosetti was my strongest scum read. After what happened with Esphas I thought I should really go with my guts instead of following majority. I still feel bad about it. Also I meant to place my votes early but I fell asleep on the floor while waiting for my phone to update. It was something that I did not expect to happen ;A;

Ok well I'm not sure what sheeping is, so could you please explain that to me, I voted for moonbrink based on my newest post, I also agreed with other people, I was on before D2 so I could judge their actions then - I'm not the only 'guilty' person of being inactive for a while but I've explained that before the vote ended and I explained in my post why I'm posting my reads after voting and blah blah blah, why should I vote for no lynch? I said early on I hate wasting my vote which I feel like what 'nolynching' is to me, I also don't understand why you said 'if I die tonight, look at my reads', literally everyone has voted for moonbrink except for sparrow and yourself who hasn't voted, I'm surprised you think so strongly that I'm scum, I hope you've read my most recent read

It's pretty late now and the mobile version of tbt is yuck so I probably won't see your message until sometime tomorrow
 
Here's my case. @Rosetti, I wrote this before you posted your reads. I will make another post after I've properly read it. For now, you can defend yourself and convince me I'm wrong.




I would like everyone to read my case very carefully and analyse it. Please don't simply agree with my case; be critical, point out flaws. If you agree, why. If you disagree, also tell us why. We should really figure out who to lynch next and not just sheep off other players' suspicions.

Rosetti has been null on a lot of people's reads because her posts came off as being clueless more than anything else. But, as I've mentioned in my first read #404, she came off as wishy-washy- uncertain and reluctant to make firm accusations on someone. Read on.

Her first post after her RQS was very vague and pointless. She seems to be suspicious of certain people but did not state who. Also, notice the use of the buffer "who knows" at the end. Definitely playing it safe! See below:

tfw it's lit when you're at work/asleep

I do have a few suspisons so far esp since some people are being mysterious HMMMM
a lot of people are trying to catch eachother out, so maybe they're trying to cover themselves up and 'point the finger' at someone else despite what their reasons are or maybe it's mind games WHO KNOWWSS

also I hate using mobile version rip

When I asked her to clarify her suspicions, her reply was this:

so far i think my 'biggest' suspicions rn are Esphas and Miharu, mostly because of how closely they're reading into everything and they seem to be one of the most active, i'm also kinda suspicious of shiida but only cause of her mysteriousness (is that a word idk) but i have a feeling of what her role is, unless she's just trying to make us/me think that hmmmmmm
cadbberry also seems a lil suspisous but not so much, she's also been looking into a few posts but isn't as active, also a lil suspicious of you/Seroja due to asking about some people's suspicions

it's too early on in the game for me to know what's what tbh

Her biggest suspicions were Esphas and Miharu - both confirmed town. And her reason was because they were "reading closely into everything and seem to be the most active". That is exact opposite of being scummy! It was as if she was trying hard to look for a reason for why they were seen as scummy and came up with this.

She was also sus of Shiida for very obvious reasons so I will not go into that. Her other sus were Cad (one of my strongest town reads) and Me. Look at her reason for sussing Cad. Is that even something that can raise one's suspicions? I think not! And she was suspicious of me, for asking her who she's (and a couple others) suspicious of! This read screams scummy to me. And again the buffer at the end- "too early to know what's what". See how she made sure to sound like she was very uncertain so people will get off her back and not question her further.

It seemed like a very rushed and poorly thought out post. To me it sounded like she just wrote anything that came to mind just for the sake of replying to me.

hmm i think i agree, i'm not as suspicious as before, i'm also less suspicious of miharu too as she said something along the lines of 'idk if we have a veteran or not' which shows she's being tactical for the town, and she's doing a tooonnn of reading into everyone which i think shows she's reall trying to figure out the roles of who's who - this could show she's apat of mafia but idk i don't think so, she's not being shady at all and is pretty open - BUT IT COULD BE AN ACT HMM (nah i dont think so lmao)

Now this. Look at the bolded part. See anything wrong with it? No? Ok let me tell you. Notice how in this post, she's town reading Miharu for more or less the same reason she was scum reading Miharu in the first place. And more buffers at the end! Yes you can be uncertain with your reads, but this is a bit too much. I'm serious, if you're town and you know it, please don't go back and forth in your reads like this. It contributes nothing to the discussion and is just confusing people! Unless that is your aim all along.

Moving on. Look at this exchange between Miharu and Rosetti. Out of all the players in this game, only Miharu had called her out. And look where Miharu is right now (dramatic effect). I've broken down the quotes to make them more coherent for you. Take note that these are not in chronological order.

You switched opinions pretty fast haha XD Also I don't remember saying that line o: I believe what I said was that mafia could have safe claims where the host gives them roles that are not used in the game to claim as in case they are set up for lynch to make it harder for us. xD

Mostly because of what others are saying and I feel like it makes more sense, I'M STILL NOT SURE THO AHH
Also O, i must've misread something - i'm trying to catch up on a lot of pages so i guess i just skimmed over, i'm sorry if i misquoted you;; (i even said in my other most that i wasn't sure/something along the lines of)

Exhibit 1: More uncertainties. More buffers. A bit sheeping plus look at the last line. See how useful that buffer was? She could go back to it and say 'see I wasn't sure'.

i feel like this has totally flipped last minute
i don't want to waste a vote with nolynching but i'm really indecisive atm, i'm kinda leaning towards more of the inactive or shadey people rn rather than more of the active people, ugh i have no idea

Who were the users that you were suspicious of and leaning to vote for here and why? O:

i'm really not good with going into readings so i'm pretty indecisive but whatever, some of the inactive people like enchilda (i have no idea what's going on with them/if they're playing or not), lucanosa and xerolin haven't pointed out much that's helping/contributing much towards us which could suggest to me that they could be hiding something and keeping a low profile, or they just don't have much to say right now since it's still quite early (but we've already discussed a lot so i'm still unsure), i was also a lil suspicious of tui but they seem to be more active from the last time i catched up
so i suppose i would've voted for one of them, but although as i've said some of my thoughts have changed since yesterday and im indecisive af - there's so many possibilities

looking at newer posts i'm taking into consideration with what others are saying, and catching up with more recent events so these thoughts are 'old' (not really but kind of), they're just not as uptodate - i'm bad at summarising;;

Exhibit 2: Going around in circles. Basically naming everyone as sus and then saying "idk maybe I'm wrong, I'm indecisive". Take note of who she hadn't named yet up to this point.

i'm not totally happy with my vote, but even if i did vote for someone else i don't think it'll make much of a difference looking at everyone elses votes;;


Who would you have voted for IF your vote DID matter on who would be getting lynch? o:

After finding out esphas was town, I would probably go with somebody I mentioned earlier in this post, I'm kinda edging towards lucanosa since they haven't made many posts and i'd like to hear more from them - although that isn't a confident choice, just simply answering your Q lmao

Exhibit 3: MOAR BUFFER! Indecisive, indecisive. At this point I'm almost certain that you're trying to confuse town by throwing in wild guesses. By now you should have seen a pattern. Rosetti only posted to answer questions directed at her. And even then, her answers were vague at best.

In reply to Miharu's N1 reads: #339

i believe whether or not i voted for esphas it wouldn't make a difference, including my vote they got a total of 5 votes, but without my vote esphas would still get 4, i could vote for anyone and they wouldn't have gotten the same number of votes/4 - nolynch would also have 4 votes but i don't think that effects anything right? (i'm not sure but it didnt say it did in the rules of the voting thread)

also i'm a she not a he LMAO

Final exhibit! This is one the most telling. She claimed that her vote wouldn't have mattered. Wrong! Her vote was the decisive vote. If she hadn't voted, a no lynch would have happened as it reached majority first (after Cass changed votes). How can a fifth vote to an otherwise tie not meant anything? Very fishy.




This was written while throwing out the possibility that she was just a confused town. If you have time, kindly read my case a couple of times in different perspectives. I do not want a repeat of Esphas and Moonbrink. Rip both of you.
 
If you aren't in the game, or have previously died, please don't like other people's posts. Also remember to send in actions to me or Jacob if you have actions to send.
 
@Seroja
I wrote this probably while you wrote your case on Rosetti so I'll read it in depth after I make this post.

@everyone: I will be unavailable from about 11:00 am PDT (1 hour before daybreak) tomorrow for probably 30 hours. I will be out of town for a family event but if I have 4G coverage I will try to catch up or post, but I won?t be using quotes because I?ll be on mobile.

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I?m not going to make a read on everyone since its night. If I live to D3 I?ll post another read.
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I?m most suspicious of Qwerty111. They haven?t posted much but seem really defensive still, and are still dodging questions. Sorry but answering one question does not make up for all the others you haven?t answered.

You seemed really defensive in your initial post.

1. What is your timezone? GMT +1/ BST
2. How do you react under pressure? I crack. Real bad. But I've cracked very hard in both town and scum roles so it's not a giveaway i am just sensitive and fragile
3. Do you prefer to play as town or mafia? town. you feel less on edge 24/7
4. What are you going to be known to do this game? probably die first or something. it always happens. hopefully not tho. dying isn't nice no matter the role.
5. How many games have you played? 4! three newbie mafias (this will be 4th newbie oh god) and one main game. still not good at this though .n.

Here is the convo between you and Mogyay
qwerty111: you have barely posted, what are you afraid of? you mentioned in your questions that you feel on edge more so when you're playing as mafia and the answers to your questions and your lack of activity imply that to me you're on edge right now. are you trying to hide in the shadows so you can go unnoticed? i'd like to hear more from you please!

Hi! I have been reading the thread as often as I can, but I honestly can't see anything worth pointing out, so I've kept quiet. I'm still not very good at reading people, so that's why I'm in newbie still, hah. I haven't replied to all the posts questioning my inactivity - i've been writing this post for about 40 mins now!!! haha. But this is just a general thing.

Oh, I'm not on edge - You'd be able to tell.
As SK. I get salty real fast. Anyway, since you'd like to hear more o v o

Here's something we can all use! It's simple, and you don't have to explain why you picked that colour, though it may be helpful if you do! This was used in one of the last games I played and it was invaluable.

anyway gonna go vote as no lynch so i don't get modkilled

*Some eager beavers may notice i was very active in this game - it was my first game in absolutely ages! I've learned from my mistakes and now I am a lot more careful with what I say, so I don't change opinions and change sides rapidly and so i'm not sheeping all the way through a game, So yeah!
Note: I don?t see how you answered any questions. How are we to know what you?re like in real life?
i don't think that's a particularly strong post to be honest, am i expected just to believe you since you're telling me you act a certain way as mafia vs town lol? and congrats on posting a template, how about you fill it in? you've still made zero reads
Note: pretty defensive if you ask me.
Did you read the post at all? I have said, in the post, that I have no reads at the moment. If I had reads, I would of made a reads post. I thought the template would be of use to everyone, I'm sure everyone can copy paste, no? Also it's sk vs town- ooooh! but you wouldn't know that because you didn't read it! How rude.
and i'm saying i find it very suspicious you have literally zero reads (considering this isn't your first game). i'm sure it will be of use, i'm telling you to use it. and i'm sorry i'm new i'm not well versed in mafia but my point still remiains, i'm not going to believe you when you tell me you're going to act a certain way because of your allignment. YOU SEEM ON EDGE LOL, like when you said you'd be on edge if you were mafia lol. you've lurked on the thread for about 40 minutes, it's not hard to make a read, i think it's more important to make reads for town than replying to the inactivity questions

You also dodged this question directed at you
also i can see qwerty lurking, i'm interested in hearing from you about the reads that mentioned you.

even though you answered me when I asked if you were sheeping.
@Qwerty111
Are you sheeping our votes?
Oh, no. I posted a read on Moonbrink .w.
You posted a case on Moonbrink after I already made one on him so I?m still not sure if you were sheeping or bandwagoning, or just failed to see my case.

Also this is the fakest post I?ve seen in this thread
Oh no. Not another townie! I was certain Moonbrink was scum... ><


I have no reason to believe you are trying to help town so I?m reading you as scum lean. Please fight this if you are indeed town.
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Rosetti I?m still slightly scum leaning you because while I understand we all get busy, I don?t see why you couldn?t have posted that you were busy instead of going MIA for almost 48 hours.
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Locket I?m slightly scum leaning you because you haven?t made any unrushed reads and you didn?t vote, while you could have gone for no lynch. Additionally, since there was only one kill made by mafia N1, I think that the role you took over is a mafia role.

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Ok well I'm not sure what sheeping is, so could you please explain that to me, I voted for moonbrink based on my newest post, I also agreed with other people, I was on before D2 so I could judge their actions then - I'm not the only 'guilty' person of being inactive for a while but I've explained that before the vote ended and I explained in my post why I'm posting my reads after voting and blah blah blah, why should I vote for no lynch? I said early on I hate wasting my vote which I feel like what 'nolynching' is to me, I also don't understand why you said 'if I die tonight, look at my reads', literally everyone has voted for moonbrink except for sparrow and yourself who hasn't voted, I'm surprised you think so strongly that I'm scum, I hope you've read my most recent read

It's pretty late now and the mobile version of tbt is yuck so I probably won't see your message until sometime tomorrow
Here's your answer to what sheeping is:
Sheeping - voting for the same person as someone else because their reads are good.
As for your vote why would you go with the most recent post?

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@Seroja
I know you asked us to be critical, but I have nothing to disagree with. She changed camps pretty fast and I picked up on her sheeping both times. I also took note of her being MIA for almost the entirety of D2. I made a few mentions of her activity in my reads but nothing in depth since I was still trying to decide if she's a confused townie or mafia, I still am actually but I'm leaning more towards scum unless she makes her case.
 
hello everyone, since it's night i don't plan on posting any more reads but my opinions have stayed relatively the same but with a few shifts of users towards scum, i don't plan on commenting who just now as i don't want scum to be at any advantage but i will post as soon as i am able to. unfortunately i have a pretty long day tomorrow so it might be slightly later i'm able to post (10pm gmt) but i'll try my best to use my phone.

also this isn't really aimed at anyone but remember sheeping =/= thinking someone is scum after someone else has shared the same opinion

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i'm so tired did i use =/= wrong??? to clarify i meant not equal to. i think i did use it wrongly that's embarrassing
 
even though I have been lynched and I am out of the game I'd really like to apologize. I forgot about this whole thing and I do realize I made everyone confused and I might've ruined people's experiences. I have learned mafia is not my game at all I really don't want people to feel this way towards me because I was not active. Once again, please forgive me. You all seem like lovely people, and have a great rest of the game.
 
@Locket
Why didn't you vote? If it is because you weren't caught up or haven't formed an opinion yet you very well could have voted no lynch, so I'd like an explanation.

I haven't been on, and I was unable to place a vote because of that. I would've placed a vote, and I am reading the thread right now.
I had a camp that went on all week, so I couldn't get on. It's over, but I'm going to another one next week starting Monday.
I got a kitten too, and I've been busy trying to keep her in sight.

I apologize I haven't been as active as I could be, I will try to be more active over the weekend. I've asked Crys about a reminder, and I will try to put it in place so I can remember to check this thread.
 
@Seroja - i don't want to quote your whole post because it's long and will come out strange with missing quotes so here are my thoughts on your case.

general wishywashy-ness: i too have noticed the indecision in rosetti's posting but that seems to be their meta and general posting style over the whole forum. obviously, for the reasons you've pointed out, it's not suited to mafia - being indecisive and adding a lot of 'idk' and subsequent buffers to the end of their posts makes their opinions and thoughts seem forced rather than direct and truthful. this comes over as a scummy thing as obviously mafia know who mafia are, so they have to deliberately and knowingly pin those roles on town/blue/third party roles, and try and come up with reasons for such and if you can't find good enough reasons then out comes the 'but i'm not quite sure' and 'idk'. on the other side of the coin, i would expect a mafia member to be more cunning and direct in their posts, but since this is a newbie game everybody generally seems to be playing as themselves rather than putting too much thought into how others may see their posts.

miharu as scum: initially i read miharu as scum too because i didn't agree with the reasons she singled esphas out for scum - which inevitably lead to his lynch. this came across as scummy to me since it's mafia's intention to pin it on town players and miharu did really drive the accusation home. as we know the result of this was that miharu was town and her intention were good rather than bad - she just investigated and played better than i was expecting for a newbie game. but rosetti suspected both miharu and esphas just on the basis that they were the most active, which i agree with you, is not a good enough reason. seeing that post again, the thing that stands out to me more is the amount of people she had suspicion over and named - 5 (miharu, esphas, cadbberry, shiida and you) and then later on she names another 4 (lucanosa, xerolin, enchilada and myself) - for a grand total of 9 different people with little reasoning as to why they are suspicious. also note that the one person, kirby, who has actually flipped town, is not in that mix, despite the fact he was an active player when he was alive.

sheeping: the fact that this late in the game and they're still not sure what sheeping is is slightly worrying given that another player asked what it was on D1 and there was also discussion surrounding the term after that. due to being inactive i had to quickly read the first 20-something pages yet i still managed to pick that up.

luckily they do seem to be addressing the questions people are asking them, but very briefly but this is probably down to the fact that it was at the end of their very large reads post. i'm not sure if you (seroja) got as far as reading through rosetti's reads but i'd like to hear what you think of those too, especially since a lot of the people she had down as suspicious during her posts throughout the game she now has as town leans, and i'm almost inclined to think that this is a) an attempt to blend in since listing 9 people as scum leans is very out of the ordinary or b) a redaction of her previous suspicions, in which case, rosetti, what changed your mind about myself, seroja and caddberry in particular? these are the three that stick out the most to me as none of your reads mention the previous suspicions you had for them (unlike your read for lucanosa which states your previous suspicions, which is why these three reads stick out in particular for me).

anyway, those are my thoughts on rosetti. i'm still very hesitant in reading them as scum so i'd like to see their answer to my last question before (and if) i change my mind on their current read.

and a heads-up for people: i'm not going to be around to see the end results of the night since i'm at a party but depending on how hungover i am i should be able to post again around this time tomorrow. i have a few replies to make and questions to ask but i need a coffee and a shower so those will come soon.
 
right i'm back (i swear i'm always active when nobody else is so thanks timezones) and i guess it's quiet anyway since people don't want to say much during night but i want to ask some questions and plant some seeds before i leave

I had to defend myself one way or another. I didn't want anybody else suddenly jumping on to her accusation without her having solid proof. Maybe it's just my experience from Salem that makes me paranoid about it, since I often end up dead, mostly when I'm a townie, due to some random person jumping up with a random accusation. I seemed to completely dismiss that people on this forum are much smarter than people who play on ToS, and should have known that people won't actually try and lynch without reason.

@Sparro thanks for responding, your defense rests well with me. have you caught up with all the posts yet, and if so, do you have any reads? i know you posted one for moonbrink but that ship has sailed now so i'd be interested on hearing your initial thoughts.

anyway, looking back at my read, i still stand by most of them but there's a couple people who i still have as null and who i'd like to find out about more.
@Lucanosa - i still have you read as null - you said that on the belief of there being 2 mafia members left your leans went towards moon and qwerty, but now that moon has flipped town, who are you suspicious of for being the remaining mafia member?

@Qwerty111 - you still have barely posted and your posts contain little of your own thoughts. you suspected moon of being scum because she 'says a lot of off-topic things', then you go and make posts like this:
ikr you need to get that perfect mix™
that's a little contradictory in my eyes. also, you're still avoiding mogyay's questions - please answer theirs and mine too.
 
@Qwerty111 - you still have barely posted and your posts contain little of your own thoughts. you suspected moon of being scum because she 'says a lot of off-topic things', then you go and make posts like this:

that's a little contradictory in my eyes. also, you're still avoiding mogyay's questions - please answer theirs and mine too.

No. That wasn't "off topic". If you had looked at the conversation, the perfect mix was of activeness and inactiveness.
 
No. That wasn't "off topic". If you had looked at the conversation, the perfect mix was of activeness and inactiveness.

i looked at the 'conversation' - it was essentially shida making a statement and you replying 'i know'. that adds nothing to discussion, and yet you singled out moonbrink for doing what essentially is the same thing. and you're still avoiding mogyay's questions and contributing much atall to the game tbh
 
I apologize for calling you out then. I'm still a little suspicious of you though.

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@Locket. Sorry I meant to quote your post.

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i looked at the 'conversation' - it was essentially shida making a statement and you replying 'i know'. that adds nothing to discussion, and yet you singled out moonbrink for doing what essentially is the same thing. and you're still avoiding mogyay's questions and contributing much atall to the game tbh

@tui. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one sus of Qwerty111.
 
@tui thank you so much for the feedback. I was busy the whole day with house work and shopping and I just got home (it's around 12 am). Unfortunately ot looks like I am staying over at my parents house tonight and my laptop was left at my home. I'll do my best to use quotes and stuff for my thoughts on Rosetti's reads and replies + some reads on Qwerty and perhaps Luca. There's no use in keeping quiet at night just in case I'm going to die ( which I hope won't happen).

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*do my best because I'll be using my phone orz
 
I'm leaving in about 1-2 hours but I'll try to check on the thread if I have 4G. I won't have computer access for probably another 24 hours after I leave. I have the same opinion on keeping quiet at night but I only had time for one case and a few reads.
 
I'm going to be inactive between 1:05 PM and 4PM today. When I get back, I'll try to make a few reads.
 
Here's my case. @Rosetti, I wrote this before you posted your reads. I will make another post after I've properly read it. For now, you can defend yourself and convince me I'm wrong.




I would like everyone to read my case very carefully and analyse it. Please don't simply agree with my case; be critical, point out flaws. If you agree, why. If you disagree, also tell us why. We should really figure out who to lynch next and not just sheep off other players' suspicions.

Rosetti has been null on a lot of people's reads because her posts came off as being clueless more than anything else. But, as I've mentioned in my first read #404, she came off as wishy-washy- uncertain and reluctant to make firm accusations on someone. Read on.

Her first post after her RQS was very vague and pointless. She seems to be suspicious of certain people but did not state who.
Also, notice the use of the buffer "who knows" at the end. Definitely playing it safe! See below:



When I asked her to clarify her suspicions, her reply was this:



Her biggest suspicions were Esphas and Miharu - both confirmed town. And her reason was because they were "reading closely into everything and seem to be the most active". That is exact opposite of being scummy! It was as if she was trying hard to look for a reason for why they were seen as scummy and came up with this.

She was also sus of Shiida for very obvious reasons so I will not go into that. Her other sus were Cad (one of my strongest town reads) and Me. Look at her reason for sussing Cad. Is that even something that can raise one's suspicions? I think not! And she was suspicious of me, for asking her who she's (and a couple others) suspicious of! This read screams scummy to me. And again the buffer at the end- "too early to know what's what". See how she made sure to sound like she was very uncertain so people will get off her back and not question her further.

It seemed like a very rushed and poorly thought out post. To me it sounded like she just wrote anything that came to mind just for the sake of replying to me.



Now this. Look at the bolded part. See anything wrong with it? No? Ok let me tell you. Notice how in this post, she's town reading Miharu for more or less the same reason she was scum reading Miharu in the first place. And more buffers at the end! Yes you can be uncertain with your reads, but this is a bit too much. I'm serious, if you're town and you know it, please don't go back and forth in your reads like this. It contributes nothing to the discussion and is just confusing people! Unless that is your aim all along.

Moving on. Look at this exchange between Miharu and Rosetti. Out of all the players in this game, only Miharu had called her out. And look where Miharu is right now (dramatic effect). I've broken down the quotes to make them more coherent for you. Take note that these are not in chronological order.


Exhibit 1: More uncertainties. More buffers. A bit sheeping plus look at the last line. See how useful that buffer was? She could go back to it and say 'see I wasn't sure'.


Exhibit 2: Going around in circles. Basically naming everyone as sus and then saying "idk maybe I'm wrong, I'm indecisive". Take note of who she hadn't named yet up to this point.


Exhibit 3: MOAR BUFFER! Indecisive, indecisive. At this point I'm almost certain that you're trying to confuse town by throwing in wild guesses. By now you should have seen a pattern. Rosetti only posted to answer questions directed at her. And even then, her answers were vague at best.

In reply to Miharu's N1 reads: #339

Final exhibit! This is one the most telling. She claimed that her vote wouldn't have mattered. Wrong! Her vote was the decisive vote. If she hadn't voted, a no lynch would have happened as it reached majority first (after Cass changed votes). How can a fifth vote to an otherwise tie not meant anything? Very fishy.




This was written while throwing out the possibility that she was just a confused town. If you have time, kindly read my case a couple of times in different perspectives. I do not want a repeat of Esphas and Moonbrink. Rip both of you.

*I bolded/highlighted stuff in your quote that i've quoted/that i'm talking about so hopeully it's easier for people to see

**i'm taking this into mind that you thought all this before i posted my reads/explanation - although i'd still like to hear from you as it seems you still haven't took my posts into consideration/wrote up a thing but i understand that you're busy (cause me too rip), i'd also like to see your case/read on qwerty, since you also scumleaned on her

- "her posts came off as being clueless more than anything else. But, as I've mentioned in my first read #404, she came off as wishy-washy- uncertain and reluctant to make firm accusations on someone"
- well, yeah, i was pretty clueless ngl, i'm very new to mafia and i haven't looked at any other mafia games before - before joining this one, so i literally had no idea on how to act, what to do, how to find people suspisions, what kind of tactics - literally nothing, i wasn't confident on anything at the start and i tried to have a pretty open mind at the start (maybe that's why people have thought i'm shadey??? again idrk since not many people have elaborated on it apart from you, although i understand due to my lack of posts/inactivity)

- "Her first post after her RQS was very vague and pointless. She seems to be suspicious of certain people but did not state who."
- i posted it since i felt like i should say at least something, even if it was a bit pointless and didn't want to seem totally inactive - i was pretty clueless since it was early on and being a noob, having no idea on how to act at all (yes i really am an idiot on mafia if you can't tell), i didn't state who since i still was unsure, i believe other people have also done this but have been hesitant to post 'just yet' so they could sus them out a little more - is that a wrong thing to do? i thought it wouldn't be but i guess it is? it was still pretty early on in the game for me

- "notice the use of the buffer "who knows" at the end"
- that's my posting style/that's me, that's how i talk, i was also trying to be open minded since i wasn't confident yet and i was trying to think about other possibilities and i didn't want to say anything yet that was 'set in stone'

- "Definitely playing it safe!"
- aren't i supposed to play safe.. again, should i not be doing this/is it wrong? i'm guessing i need to be more bold? which i've tried to do in my more recent read, since i feel a bit more confident with the game and how i generally feel - my posting style makes you think i'm playing safe i guess?

- ""reading closely into everything and seem to be the most active". That is exact opposite of being scummy!"
- i didn't know what defines 'scummy' - again, i'm a newbie, it was pretty early on in the game and i'm clueless

- "It was as if she was trying hard to look for a reason for why they were seen as scummy and came up with this."
- i didn't 'come up with it' but there honestly wasn't any huge red flags or much to go off of at that point in the game, it was just my opinion at the time which made me a little suspicious of them - i'm pretty sure other people at the time also had similar thoughts or at least were 'half and half' with both or one of those players (esphas and miharu)

- "Look at her reason for sussing Cad. Is that even something that can raise one's suspicions? I think not! And she was suspicious of me, for asking her who she's (and a couple others) suspicious of! This read screams scummy to me."
- the 'way' i was looking at the game was how i was suspicious of them/you at the time - how active you were and asking questions, from then i now know that asking questions and being active is usually a sign that they're town and that it's helpful - at the time i didn't fully understand, it was earlier in the game and again, i'm pretty dumb and clueless, i hope you can understand my opinions at the time and just because they were different or didn't follow the 'general rule' that it was genuinely what i thought at the time, i've now learnt that they were wrong and it's helped me have a better idea on who to find suspicious, also - for cad's suspicion i said 'seems a lil suspicious but not so much' - this should show how i wasn't confident at all - i mentioned her as i felt i should've, i thought that if i had ANY kind of suspicions that i should mention it - and since you asked me i did

- " And again the buffer at the end- "too early to know what's what"."
- again, i thought it was too early to be confident about anyone, it wasn't really a buffer since i meant it

-"See how she made sure to sound like she was very uncertain so people will get off her back and not question her further. "
- this seems to be a pattern lmao - again, i was uncertain since i was entirely new to mafia, it's my personality - i'm not a very confident person at all and that's just who i am, a unconfident person doing something completely new with having no experience will very likely lead to them being uncertain and a bit confused - i was still figuring out the ropes and tbh i still am a bit as i'm reading your case, since i see i've made mistakes (i think i have based on your opinion/case) i'll hopefully learn from them as i wasn't trying to give the impression that i didn't want to be questioned - i've tried to answer any questions that anyone has asked me, i don't want to avoid or ignore any questions directly at me so it'll try to answer them

-"It seemed like a very rushed and poorly thought out post. To me it sounded like she just wrote anything that came to mind just for the sake of replying to me."
- ngl it might've been a bit rushed - i've had work this week and i take care of family so i'm pretty busy (i've said this before but didn't mention it earlier on since i didn't think it would be significant enough to say or it would seem off/out of place) so for most of the time so far i haven't been able to put in my full 'effort' simply because i haven't had the time - it wasn't 'for the sake' of replying to you but i didn't want to ignore it and appear more inactive

-"Notice how in this post, she's town reading Miharu for more or less the same reason she was scum reading Miharu in the first place"
-"Yes you can be uncertain with your reads, but this is a bit too much."
- this shows how i've understood the game more - i could see how helpful miharu was and she helped me too, which i believed to be town, earlier in the game i didn't understand this, since i literally knew nothing about mafia and there wasn't much to go off of at first so i picked out anything i could, i'm sorry that you feel that it was 'a bit too much' - but i'm allowed to change my mind especially as i can understand the game/roles more

- "I'm serious, if you're town and you know it, please don't go back and forth in your reads like this. It contributes nothing to the discussion and is just confusing people! Unless that is your aim all along."
- well, since it's so 'bad' i'm sorry, even though it was earlier on, i didn't want to confuse people - i was confsued myself lmao, i felt like i should contribute something but i thought that it's better to say something rather than nothing, especially since i've been called out since for not saying much - which also looks 'bad', but i'll take into consideration what you've said and hopefully it'll help me improve as a player - O also (i haven't quoted this but whatever it's in the same paragraph), it's my personality, being a lil sarcastic is just me - i guess that isn't suitable in a mafia game?? i've said stuff on the 'buffers' earlier in this post, i feel like i'm repeating myself now but i'm trying to be thorough with this reply

-"More uncertainties. More buffers. A bit sheeping plus look at the last line. See how useful that buffer was? She could go back to it and say 'see I wasn't sure'. "
- i've explained why im uncertain/my 'buffers' a lot already, is 'sheeping' really that bad? like, am i not allowed to agree with people without looking off? is this a general mafia thing that you shouldn't do? for someone who has no idea it really helps to listen to other peoples opinions, i didn't agree with all of them but i definitely agreed with some - i guess earlier on i should've explained my thoughts more but that was mostly down to the amount of free time i had - as you can see since then i feel like i've contributed a bit more (i've also touched on this earlier in the post)

-"Going around in circles. Basically naming everyone as sus and then saying "idk maybe I'm wrong, I'm indecisive". Take note of who she hadn't named yet up to this point."
- i wasn't 'basically naming everyone as sus' - you've just said 'take note of who she hadn't named yet' - so i literally wasn't naming everyone as sus, you just contradicted yourself;; i know this was written before my reads and posted after my reads but i really wish you took my newer posts into consideration - however, i kinda understand why you haven't due to time and you had already started, i was even more indecisive at that time due to more 'evidence' cropping up so i can change my mind and i was starting to panic a little as the timer was getting closer and closer to the end of voting as i didn't want to waste my vote as it's pretty important to me and i didn't just want to go for a nolynch

- "MOAR BUFFER! Indecisive, indecisive. At this point I'm almost certain that you're trying to confuse town by throwing in wild guesses. By now you should have seen a pattern. Rosetti only posted to answer questions directed at her. And even then, her answers were vague at best."
- i don't feel as if they were 'wild guesses', i admit that i didn't have a lot of time so i did a lot of skimming and i tried to post when i could, i want to be apart of this game and not go totally inactive to be replaced by somebody, unfortunately i haven't had much time as i've said so many times now and i'm realllyy repeating myself;; not every single one of my posts can be full of detail, that's also why some of them my seem vague - i also was trying to figure out the whole set up of the game still and i was still quite indecisive whether you like it or not;; you seem to be pointing it out a lot but that's just how i was, hopefully you can see that i've grown since then

-"Final exhibit! This is one the most telling. She claimed that her vote wouldn't have mattered. Wrong! Her vote was the decisive vote. If she hadn't voted, a no lynch would have happened as it reached majority first (after Cass changed votes). How can a fifth vote to an otherwise tie not meant anything? Very fishy."
- I was confused, for example - I thought (and still thought up until this post and hopefully someone can confirm this for me), that if like, 20 people were voting: 14 people voted no lynch, 4 people voted 'jacob' and 2 people voted 'crys/gun' that jacob would be killed - i thought (as rule no.1 says) that the player with the most votes will be lynched - and since 'nolynch' isn't a player, out of the 6 votes (in this example)(excluding nolynch votes) 'jacob' would have the most votes since he's a player, the last rule also says 'if you choose not to vote for any particular player then place your vote as 'nolynch' - i thought that this implies that you HAVE to vote whether you want to or not, infact looking at the main thread rules it even says in bold 'you must vote' but i think (looking at it right now) i must have confused the 'once at least every two days' with irl time rather than in game time days, as the in game days last 48 hours irl time which is two days, i hope someone can discuss this with me and explain a lil more, i'll pm jacob/gun if nobody wants to correct me - i hope this has made sense, i'm a newbie so i'm not familiar with the voting but i thought i understood but i guess i don't;;




this post has took awhile to reply to (i've been typing for a couple of hours omgg) but hopefully it's cleared up some stuff, i'll start replying to other people rn
 
@Rosetti
ugh i've just finished writing this up and i started at 7/4 and a half hours ago (i had some breaks but stilllll) i haven't read any of the posts since my last one explaining why i haven't been active, which i hope people can understand, some of my readings may be completely irrelevant if the night 2 has been posted and if there's been a discussion whilst i was typing up all this

ok here are my reads so far:

Locket - they haven't posted much so i can't really say much about them as there's not much to go off, although their readings are kind breif (linked them in spoiler) and i feel as if some of the reasons don't really make much sense? for example, they thought cass was 'pretty defensive' because they 'just has a feeling...' hopefully they'll develop their readings and reasonings in the furture - i also found it odd that they hadn't 'seen posts' for lucanosa, seroja or tui, i assume they meant they couldn't find the posts or something?? even though they said they read through the thread? idrk;; but maybe its cover - like maybe they're hiding something of them (could be scum/they're scum and they know) and so they're unsure of what to say, i'm not sure, i hope locket can explain what they meant here, so for now i'm leaving them as null but if they don't make things more clear i might put them as scumlean. i'd also like to know why they think im shady or if they're just agreeing with what other people have said

Sparrow
- the only things i really picked up on were them saying that there's 'large chances that i will slip up', which may imply that they're either under pressure (could be mafia) or that they're just new and aren't really sure of stuff, although i also picked up on 'have a total brain fart...' '...sometimes i'll do it on purpose' - i feel like this is slightly odd? why would you purposely do that? they also voted and then unvoted on moonbrink, but i feel like their reason for doing this is understandable as they're still new, since they're also pretty new i'm going to leave them as null for now


Moonbrink - Biggest alert to me is after them posting 'rip me' - many people asked why they said that/what???? and they didn't even bother to answer - despite someone saying that they've been active on the forums in other threads. this to me shows that they don't care anymore, and that they've basically given up, which i don't see why as we're doing alright so far/ are ahead of mafia atm - there's no need to give up unless they're admitting defeat. they also haven't contributed that much towards town and haven't been as active as other useres which to me are much more likely to be town - which is why i believe they're pretty likely to be scum in comparison. before i didn't have as much of a suspision since i thought they were just being quite cause they're new but i feel like this has changed those thoughts.

(i don't think i need to reference 'r.i.p me' post lmao)

Seroja
- i cant't really pick up on anything 'suspicious' as you've been pretty helpful towards town by asking people questions and opinions as well as sharing your own thoughts with reasonings, however the only thing that could be odd is that you said 'i assure you i'm town' in your reading (which i'm pretty sure is true lmao but i'd just like to point it out', it was kinda unnecessary like you really wanted to prove people you're town but other people have done this and it's not really a big deal but i thought i'd mention it.
i'd like to correct you though by saying that i've 'posted no reads whatsoever' - i infact have and i'm really confused to why you would say that, it's kind of like making up an excuse as to why i could be scum?? i'll link my earlier reads in the spoiler for you since you must've missed them. i also feel like me being 'missing' has no correlation to kirby dieing before, i've said in my previous post why i wasn't active, i'm interested in hearing your 'case' on me - other than your read which was probably misinterpreted (esp about me making no reads whatsoever cause i have) i still believe you're probably town since the amount that you've contributed outweighs that 'other stuff' i said


Cadbberry
- from what i've seen she's been quite helpful by giving some advice and asking a few questions, it would be nice if she could be a bit more active but i can't really pick up on anything suspicious, it would be helpful if she had more readings so because of that and i don't have much else to go off i'm going to say null/townlean

tui - they've been much more active recently and have got some useful readings, reasonings and explanations which all seem well thought out, and when they've been questioned they've explained themselves clearly without hesitation/avoiding the question or suspicion, however i was suspicious of them earlier on in the game due to inactivity, they're obvs a lot more active now but im still a little unsure, if they had been active from the start then i'd probably say they're a definate townlean

Lucanosa
- i was also a lil suspicous of them earlier due to inactivity but they're a lot more active now and they've been giving advice to the newer people which is useful for them but they've also asked some questions which contribute to town, although for the same reason as tui i'm going to say nul/townlean for now

Cass123 - they've been very active and helpful by giving suggestions to people and advice as well as asking questions which helps us/town, i haven't seen anything that's suspicous or that stands out as being bad/shadey

Shiida
- pretty sure they're just onion LMAO esp since the early on hints and their attitude - although before i said this, that she could be playing mindgames but idrk, i don't see her as being anyone else rn

Qwerty111
- it would be nice to hear more of them so they could contribute a bit more and to hear some of their reads, although they've been actively dodging mogyay's questions for them desite still posting on the thread and acknowledging other people - this is pretty shadey to me as they 'shouldn't' have anything to hide - this combined with not asking too many questions or contributing much towards town is why i think they could be scum

Mogyay - she's been consistenly active with readings, questions, and contributing a lot towards town, to me she's a town lean

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i got tired towards the end and posting references the codings were confusing me and it was taking time - so sorry if the post quality really lacks towards the end, i'm just trying to catch up and do this as quick as possible




ok now responces to readings @me

could you say why you think that
i think i talked about this earlier in this post/in my read, probably



if you can could you elaborate on how they're scummy/shady, if it helps my post style is usually like that on here because i'm trying to type quickly and catch up, in other places of the forums my posts are usually better 'quality', i hope that makes sense



i hope my earlier post clears that up/ why i was inactive, i'll be able to be more active next week and on sunday, i might be able to check in tomorrow but since it's night i dont want to post anything too 'obvious' for the mafia - going off what people have advised last time



i believe i went over this one in my read




ok i think that's everything, i'll catch up now since it's almost been 5 hours and something might've changed idk, it's almost midnight but i feel like i gotta make up for not being active yesterday rip

Thank you so much for for taking the time to make this read. About me saying you've posted no reads: I meant a more in depth reads rather than just wild guesses that you made in D1. It's not making up an excuse. It was a glaring evidence at the time since almost everyone else came on on N1&D2 to make colour coded reads.

Also, since some people have put me on null / scum reads why do you feel it unnecessary for me to stress on the fact that I'm town?

I noticed that you tend to be suspicious of people who were less active on day 1. What does that say about your own inactivity on night 1 and day 2? By that logic, aren't you being scummy as well? You said you were busy, but so did the others (Lucanosa, tui). So why are you still sus of them because of that reason?

I would like to also point out that you wishing others to be more active + give more reads to be a bit weird especially for Cad because she's been more active than you.

Ok well I'm not sure what sheeping is, so could you please explain that to me, I voted for moonbrink based on my newest post, I also agreed with other people, I was on before D2 so I could judge their actions then - I'm not the only 'guilty' person of being inactive for a while but I've explained that before the vote ended and I explained in my post why I'm posting my reads after voting and blah blah blah, why should I vote for no lynch? I said early on I hate wasting my vote which I feel like what 'nolynching' is to me, I also don't understand why you said 'if I die tonight, look at my reads', literally everyone has voted for moonbrink except for sparrow and yourself who hasn't voted, I'm surprised you think so strongly that I'm scum, I hope you've read my most recent read

It's pretty late now and the mobile version of tbt is yuck so I probably won't see your message until sometime tomorrow

Okay you telling me you don't know what sheeping is raised major red flags to me. As pointed out by tui, sheeping was a large part of the discussion on Day 1 and it was one of the major reason why Esphas was being scum read by a lot of people. Cass and Esphas both asked for the meaning of sheeping and Kirby even provided a link to it. Are you telling me, this far into the game, that you still don't know what sheeping is? This has me wondering how you made your reads. Did you read the whole thread or selectively pick posts of certain players? And btw I don't automatically think that anyone who sheeps is scum. It's just something that I like to look into just to be on the safe side

On the bolded part: I don't really get what you mean here. What's the correlation between asking people to look at my reads and who have voted for Moonbrink. I don't suspect you because you voted for Moonbrink. I was just curious about your vote but you've clarified that in your reads.

Also as tui pointed out, in your earlier reads, you pointed out 9 people who you were sus of but none of them were Moonbrink and/or Qwerty111 who you scum read on your latest reads (your only scum reads too!). Coincidentally, they were also the most popular scum reads on N1-D2. We're you influenced by people's reads & cases, or were you trying to blend in?

Anyway, since Moonbrink flipped town, who else are you sus of aside from Qwerty?


 
3. Locket
4. Sparro
6. Seroja
7. Cadbberry
8. tui
9. Lucanosa
10. Cass123
11. Rosetti
13. Shiida
14. Qwerty111
15. Mogya


Basic color code before nights end

- - - Post Merge - - -

I would like to also point out that you wishing others to be more active + give more reads to be a bit weird especially for Cad because she's been more active than you.
I have been really busy IRl with classes and a ton of one night essays to write. My apologies for being busy and not giving this game my full attention
 
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