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I don't like having to out my role when we've been losing blue players and I only trust a few out of the ones alive, but due to the nature of this game, I'll take the risk.

Firstly, my role is Hammerer Detective Miller, which seems to be inspired by Kayla from TBT Mafia II (it's an honor to have this role!) The hammerer part means if there's a tie and I haven't voted, my vote will go to a random player. The detective part means I get to find out player's alignment every night, and the miller part means I'll come out as mafia if inspected, which is why I've been scumhunting seriously so it's obvious that I'm town.

While I couldn't inspect on N1 because Trojan ended it early, I used it on Sataric on N2 and Dolby on N3. Both came back as mafia. And this is when I get confused.

Sataric was confirmed as town-aligned on D3 and I know he'll change to town because we're Neighbors & share a QT, and he said his alignment would change according to mine. He denied being third party and mafia, so that leaves him as town, but then why did my inspection return him as mafia?

I suspected Sataric and m3ow because of Sataric's inspection result, and the connection between them:
  • Sataric tells me he suspects Karla as mafia and so did m3ow
  • Sataric specifically put me (his neigbor) and m3ow (who he said he considered as neighbor) as town
  • Sataric's replies on the QT are vague, and I was suspect m3ow as mafia, which makes me less likely to trust what they say.
  • Both have not being doing as well as they have on GoT when they were both town

Also, what he said about his role seem really weird:

He didn't state what role he actually have (like mine is Hammerer Detective Miller) which really made me suspect if he is telling the truth.




So, along with Sataric acting vague to me and his inspection result, I wasn't sure if:
  • My role modifiers mean anyone who is town will return as mafia to me, which means Dolby and Sataric are indeed town-aligned
  • My inspection result is indeed true and Dolby & Sataric are mafia
  • The results I get are random so it won't help town in the end

And that is why I'm confused and roleclaimed. We either have two confirmed townie or two confirmed mafia. Which one is correct?

I'd build a case on why I suspect Dolby and inspected him in last night but this post is already long enough.

im pretty sure sataric is town, and ur some kind of paranoid/insane cop. purely because the host stated that sataric is town aligned. i think it's bad game design if the host's statements can't be trusted
 
im pretty sure sataric is town, and ur some kind of paranoid/insane cop. purely because the host stated that sataric is town aligned. i think it's bad game design if the host's statements can't be trusted

I inspected Sataric before he was confirmed as town (N2) so the result could still apply if his alignment changed.
 
Much of what Ayaya said is true - But she was intentionally quite unspecific in our QuickTopic chat with her questions, I feel. Under other circumstances this would raise red flags for me - But the way she presented it all in her post makes a fair bit of sense. The truth is that she has been very cautious to cooperate with me the entire game, and I suspected her to be scum as well. I stated earlier in this thread that I would be happy to answer any questions about my role or actions openly in the thread, and that still applies. So now that new information has been brought forward, I will go ahead and explain myself better.

I am Tom's Artwork from Mafia Game XXXII. I am also the Innocent Neighbor. At the beginning of the game I could select a person to communicate with out-of-thread in a quicktopic and I picked Ayaya. Sadly, this didn't exactly lead to much good since it was clear that we didn't fully trust each other and we've both been feeding each other a bunch of bull**** for most of the game. Meh. Another part of my role was that if I could survive until Day 3, then Oath would confirm me as Town in the thread. This has been done already and - As Karla said - It would be terribly bad hosting if Oath somehow lied about something in a day/night post. If you ask him directly: "Is Sataric confirmed Town?" I am sure he would say "Yes." as this is a big part of my role. I was Town all along, though I tried to convince Ayaya from the beginning that I would automatically become the same alignment as her and that my win-condition was simply to see HER succeed so that she would trust in me and perhaps spill the beans in case she was scummy, but she was super cautious all along so it didn't lead anywhere.

The fact that I apparently came up as Mafia to Ayaya's inspection could mean many things: Either she's a percent-based crazy cop or something, or the Mafia could have a framer. Seems anything is possible in this game. Dolby flipping red to her is alarming to me but since I apparently did the same I really do not know what to make of it. Any connection between me and m3ow_, real or imagined, is purely coincidental and as far as I can remember I never said she was town - Merely that I read her as fairly innocent early on. I am not quite sure where to place her now.

I also want to say that I am not part of the Trojan Viral Selfie QuickTopic. Hopefully something productive is being done in that one.

As far as I am concerned, the only one that's confirmed Town is myself, Trundle is a confirmed troll if anything, and for me to change alignment FROM Mafia to Town at Day 3 would make no sense so Ayaya should really drop that theory all-together. (If I knew who was scum, I'd just say their names and the game would be finished in no time, no..? :/ )

@ Trundle - Could Minties be Mafia? Absolutely. She's clever and deadly enough to use your terrible playing against you, and make everyone agree with her that we should lynch you instead, and even if you'd flip town she could easily sway people that "Well, he made no ****ing sense with his posts.." and most of us would probably agree with her. You have to take at least some responsibility for that though.
 
Seeing as this game is now winding down, my suspects are Trundle, m3ow, Dolby and possibly Karla.

I know that Trundle is going to just use his double votes on me again, so I might as well claim to show him how stupid he is. I am a roleblocker neapolitan detective. I've tested if my roleblocks go through and m3ow claimed to be blocked, so I am assuming I am a 100% roleblocker. The neapolitan part of my detective role means that when I inspect people, I get either "vanilla" or "not vanilla" because it tells me if someone is a vanilla townie or not. My first inspection didn't go through, so I am either a 0% or just >100% detective.

I didn't use any action N1 because I was sleeping when Trojan ended the night. N2 I roleblocked m3ow because something about their play seemed off to me and still does. Lucanosa then claimed in the thread that they're a vanilla townie. N3 I attempted to inspect Lucanosa to put another player on the confirmed list because we'd know for sure, but my action failed. I am going to attempt to inspect him again to test that theory, but I know Trundle is going to push for my lynch, so I'm telling everyone this now.

I am also not part of that viral selfie quicktopic.

@Ayaya

If a host has confirmed Sataric's town status, we can all assume he is town. I'm wondering why he returned mafia from your inspection, either you're an insane cop or he was framed.

- - - Post Merge - - -

<100%*
 
Here is a list of reasons:
1. Monroe
2. Minties is a girl
3. All girl are evil
4. Zara starts with a Z
5. Zabotage also starts with a Z!

Therefore Minties is a zaboteur. I hope you like my proof, I'm getting pretty good at predicate logic from my CS class.

- - - Post Merge - - -

I think it's kinda fishy for there to be so many detectives...........
 
Alright, that was my mistake then. I honestly thought it's a variety of God Father where, instead of coming off as innocent through inspection, the host would confirm them as town-aligned instead (I didn't doubt you Oath! I thought it was part of the role)

Sataric, I doubted you because you claimed all these powers without stating what role they belong to. What made me less inclined to trust you is because you said your alignment would change to be the same as me, and when I looked it up, it wouldn't make sense for townie to have an alignment changing role, and ones that do are tied to mafia/third-party somehow. I was afraid to ask you further in case you're mafia and would kill me if I know too much. Your inspection result made it even harder to clear my doubts, too. If you had stated your role clearly after you were confirmed, I'd tell you my role too and how my inspection result on you went :(




Anyway, I'll try to use my inspection powers tonight on someone who seems town to make sure if I'm Insane Cop
or Paranoid Cop. Mafia will likely kill me though but at least you all know how my inspections results were and how to go from there.

I inspected Dolby last night because he's been mafia in all the games I've played with him (which would be all the recent games), his ISO on Sataric was weird as Daniel said, and today he helped lynched scum which could be him trying to gain town's trust. I just wanted to know if he's finally town or mafia/third-party again.

For today's vote, between Trundle and m3ow, I'll go with Trundle. Despite his double-voting powers, he didn't seem to consider his choice carefully, and I doubt he didn't fully read his role PM to make sure how it works in a game this unexpected. The rest are already stated on my previous posts and what others have said.
 
I didn't use any action N1 because I was sleeping when Trojan ended the night. N2 I roleblocked m3ow because something about their play seemed off to me and still does. Lucanosa then claimed in the thread that they're a vanilla townie. N3 I attempted to inspect Lucanosa to put another player on the confirmed list because we'd know for sure, but my action failed. I am going to attempt to inspect him again to test that theory, but I know Trundle is going to push for my lynch, so I'm telling everyone this now.

It failed?
Well, considering how everyone is scared of you, I'm honestly not surprised you were roleblocked.
I'm voting for Trundle today, for reasons I've previously stated, and also considering some of the things others have stated.
This way you can attempt to inspect me, and Trundle hopefully flips red so we can be rid of scum.
 
Alright, so before I die, this is my list.

Minties
- She claimed DT, Ayaya already is a DT role. Not to mention the only action she can account for is her roleblock, which is more often than not a mafia role.
- Also, she says claimed because she knew I was going to push her for lynch, but that doesn't make any sense. She herself said I'm playing like an idiot this game and no one has been listening to what I've had to say thus far because, obviously, I haven't contributed all game. So why would she claim?
- Not only does her claim seem completely out of place, but the role itself has its words arranged very strangely, which is why I believe it's a fake claim. Usually, the role itself is last and the attributes of your roles are all placed before. What's more is that she claims her DT part of the role gives he one of two responses, but neopolitan is a three flavoured ice cream.
- Minties has been very passive all game until she was called out which is usually very indicative of Minties' scum behaviour. She is also likely to fight to the death before she goes down and try to argue my post super hard to make it seem worthless (although maybe not now that I called out the behaviour).

Karla
- He's been cruising all game and agreeing with really easy to agree with statements. Minties mentioned him as a "possible" suspect which is quite common to throw someone off very slightly after someone flips.

Irony behind the whole thing is that I really did go for Minties, but only because she claimed because she thought I was going to go for her.
 
alright so

Dolby -unclaimed
Sataric - claimed Tom's Artwork
Ayaya - claimed Hammerer Detective Miller
Trundle - claimed blue, double voter
Runeraider - unclaimed
Lucanosa - claimed vanilla townie
Minties - claimed Roleblocker Neapolitan Detective
Karla - claimed blue, predicts who will be lynched and if right will get a shot to use the next night


Ok wow. a lot of info. I'm tempted to claim as well but I should not... I don't have much time to go through the thread more rn so this is gonna be kind of a stream of consciousness type thing. I was on Trojan's QT that was opened: me, Natty, and Runeraider all were. I wasn't sure if I could mention it, and asked Oath like 3 times lmao

but it's been useless. Runeraider hasn't talked at all, which makes me extremely sus of them since they haven't posted anything in the thread either. Natty said she didn't know what was going on, and at first I thought I was culted or something lol but Oath said nobody's roles were changed and then I remembered Trojan's ability and realized that is what it did. Trojan's role PM confirmed that. Rune's only post in the QT was on the 22nd at 8:12 EST saying that they thought they died and that this link was to obs. Which implies that they didn't even read the Night post and weren't paying attention at all to the thread. I don't get why they're not trying at all?? Yet they were online before night ended, posted that in the QT, but didn't post in the thread. I have a feeling that Rune is third party or mafia. Their inactiveness frustrates me, if they were town we could be using the QT to do a lot more and they have said that they're a veteran player so it's not just like they don't know what to do. At the moment, my strongest suspicions are on Rune.

I'm inclined to think Ayaya is a crazy detective because of Sataric's role being revealed. I think this game is confusing enough as it is, although I wouldn't put it completely past Oath to do that. Because of my role I'm leaning towards Ayaya is crazy. I'm inclined to believe her claim, because she was softing for awhile about being able to provide more information and has been one of the ones scumhunting the most. Although what I don't understand is why didn't Ayaya inspect me? It seemed I was her #1 suspect.

Also if Minties roleblocked me then there were three roleblockers in this game, now two. What doesn't add up to me is that Minties initially told me she was on the same page as me about not believing Karla, but then she roleblocked me? This confuses me. I thought she was town, and now I don't know. In a game with three roleblockers Im the only one that's been roleblocked??

I have to go but I'll be back and then I'll try making a clearer/ more thought out post
 
What doesn't add up to me is that Minties initially told me she was on the same page as me about not believing Karla, but then she roleblocked me? This confuses me./QUOTE]

I overlooked that actually. Thanks for pointing that out. I will read through the thread properly before I cast my vote tomorrow. Very confused to see that Trundle has voted for himself already as a 'placeholder' if he's truly not allowed to change his vote later on. Either he's scum and giving up or there's yet another thing about his role that's puzzling which is still not revealed.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Merge: Sorry about the fail quote..
 
I did it as an act of full trust in town. I have posted my suspicions. Now, if you believe me, you can vote Minties. If you don't, wait until I flip and then kill Minties. It doesn't make sense for there to be 3 roleblocker roles and 2 detectives roles in the same game. And no, I'm not allowed to change my vote.
 
It failed?
Well, considering how everyone is scared of you, I'm honestly not surprised you were roleblocked.
I'm voting for Trundle today, for reasons I've previously stated, and also considering some of the things others have stated.
This way you can attempt to inspect me, and Trundle hopefully flips red so we can be rid of scum.

Yeah it said in the PM just that my action has failed. I don't think that's a roleblock because it would have stated that I had been blocked. It just said failed. I'm thinking this means that I'm not a 100% DT, which is probably why Oath has so many DTs/Docs/RBs is because he made most of them sub 100%.

I just voted myself as a placeholder.

????? I thought you couldn't unvote? So that means you just double voted yourself?

Alright, so before I die, this is my list.

Minties
- She claimed DT, Ayaya already is a DT role. Not to mention the only action she can account for is her roleblock, which is more often than not a mafia role.
- Also, she says claimed because she knew I was going to push her for lynch, but that doesn't make any sense. She herself said I'm playing like an idiot this game and no one has been listening to what I've had to say thus far because, obviously, I haven't contributed all game. So why would she claim?
- Not only does her claim seem completely out of place, but the role itself has its words arranged very strangely, which is why I believe it's a fake claim. Usually, the role itself is last and the attributes of your roles are all placed before. What's more is that she claims her DT part of the role gives he one of two responses, but neopolitan is a three flavoured ice cream.
- Minties has been very passive all game until she was called out which is usually very indicative of Minties' scum behaviour. She is also likely to fight to the death before she goes down and try to argue my post super hard to make it seem worthless (although maybe not now that I called out the behaviour).

Karla
- He's been cruising all game and agreeing with really easy to agree with statements. Minties mentioned him as a "possible" suspect which is quite common to throw someone off very slightly after someone flips.

Irony behind the whole thing is that I really did go for Minties, but only because she claimed because she thought I was going to go for her.

I claimed I KNEW you were going to go for me because you've been tunnelling me all game. Ayaya also claimed Miller and Blu Rose died as a miller. The difference is that Blu Rose's role said self-aware and Ayaya's did not, so I'm not sure what to make of that.

An idiot with a double vote is still an idiot with a double vote. I'm going to defend myself to live because I'm trying to make my role useful. I've already stated why I've been more quiet than usual and "passive" (you love this word) due to RL issues with work and HR. I also haven't been a blue role in about 2 years, so I was trying to live as long as possible.

I hate to break it to you, but it's clear that you're grasping at any straws to try to keep pushing me. There have been town roleblockers before, I think my role was inspired by sunleth mafia (where your brother was the town roleblocker btw). Your claim about the three flavoured ice cream is also silly as **** because it's once again clear that you hate reading! If you took two seconds to actually look up what a neapolitan DT is:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neapolitan

Neapolitan

A Neapolitan is a name for a variation of Vanilla Cop. It is an investigative role that checks whether its target is a Vanilla Townie or not.

Normal Guidelines

Neapolitan is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. Only Vanilla Townies return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".

Use and Power

A Neapolitan is significantly stronger than a Vanilla Cop. It's more comparable to a Gunsmith, although it can only clear vanilla townies. There aren't currently any normal mafia roles that are immune to its power, so it's safe to assume that that any Vanilla results a Neapolitan gets are confirmed town. However, it can be risky for a Neapolitan to claim its results: the mafia can make good use of that information, too.

That's all my role PM says is that I'll know if they're vanilla or not. That's all that role does. In a game like this, it's essentially ****ing useless because it seems like Oath has given everyone crazy blue roles. The only VT claim we've had this game was Lucanosa and I tried to prove that so we wouldn't have to worry about him. I'm going to try again tonight provided I do live.

alright so

Dolby -unclaimed
Sataric - claimed Tom's Artwork
Ayaya - claimed Hammerer Detective Miller
Trundle - claimed blue, double voter
Runeraider - unclaimed
Lucanosa - claimed vanilla townie
Minties - claimed Roleblocker Neapolitan Detective
Karla - claimed blue, predicts who will be lynched and if right will get a shot to use the next night


Ok wow. a lot of info. I'm tempted to claim as well but I should not... I don't have much time to go through the thread more rn so this is gonna be kind of a stream of consciousness type thing. I was on Trojan's QT that was opened: me, Natty, and Runeraider all were. I wasn't sure if I could mention it, and asked Oath like 3 times lmao

but it's been useless. Runeraider hasn't talked at all, which makes me extremely sus of them since they haven't posted anything in the thread either. Natty said she didn't know what was going on, and at first I thought I was culted or something lol but Oath said nobody's roles were changed and then I remembered Trojan's ability and realized that is what it did. Trojan's role PM confirmed that. Rune's only post in the QT was on the 22nd at 8:12 EST saying that they thought they died and that this link was to obs. Which implies that they didn't even read the Night post and weren't paying attention at all to the thread. I don't get why they're not trying at all?? Yet they were online before night ended, posted that in the QT, but didn't post in the thread. I have a feeling that Rune is third party or mafia. Their inactiveness frustrates me, if they were town we could be using the QT to do a lot more and they have said that they're a veteran player so it's not just like they don't know what to do. At the moment, my strongest suspicions are on Rune.

I'm inclined to think Ayaya is a crazy detective because of Sataric's role being revealed. I think this game is confusing enough as it is, although I wouldn't put it completely past Oath to do that. Because of my role I'm leaning towards Ayaya is crazy. I'm inclined to believe her claim, because she was softing for awhile about being able to provide more information and has been one of the ones scumhunting the most. Although what I don't understand is why didn't Ayaya inspect me? It seemed I was her #1 suspect.

Also if Minties roleblocked me then there were three roleblockers in this game, now two. What doesn't add up to me is that Minties initially told me she was on the same page as me about not believing Karla, but then she roleblocked me? This confuses me. I thought she was town, and now I don't know. In a game with three roleblockers Im the only one that's been roleblocked??

I have to go but I'll be back and then I'll try making a clearer/ more thought out post

Not sure if runeraider is set to be modkilled or not? I'm not sure what activity rules Oath follows for that because it's unclear. If they randomly come in and vote, then I'd definitely consider lynching them the next day.

When were there three roleblockers in the game? OH Natty was a hooker which does count as a roleblocker. I don't see the third unless I've missed it?

It's not uncommon for mafia to bus their own team, so it's highly likely that a list like that would have had your own teammates on it. I've been sus of Karla all game because of his silent play and you're not the only player I've agreed with. He hasn't scum hunted or said anything really. He hasn't even defended himself on any grounds besides saying "I'm just playing my role as Natty the observer". Not trying to totally meta analyse this game, but didn't Natty just flip red?

Posts like this are what drove me to RB you:

Okay I noticed some weird posts from you earlier but it's odd how instead of building cases like you used to, you're telling town to kill a player whose suspicious behavior is because they acted differently on the last game.

Different playstyle is a ground for suspicion, but you're sure enough about it that you keep asking Ness to kill Karla. I find this odd from you as iirc you're not usually this sure in past games, leaving room for doubt like I did in your suspicions or presenting them with good cases like you did with Trundle, but not this time.

You're also bringing up players who are already suspicious enough as "kill candidates", and you're okay with them being killed when their alignment isn't clear & they could be town.

You're so set on getting Karla killed that it seems to me you're just trying to get rid of an experienced player rather than helping town. You didn't even really consider other players as a lynch candidate.

Finally I have someone I'm scumreading and it's you.

"****posts" isn't really a viable excuse to not make cases when Dolby, me, and Minties have shown that it's still possible to at least make reads.

You found Karla reasoning weak but you don't find Trundle pushing him weird, and everyone else who jumped into the bandwagon or off of it weird?

Your reason for suspicion on Karla seems to be his lack of contribution to the game and his claim, which is also present in other players, like Daniel, Trundle, Starry, etc etc. What makes it odd is that you decide to focus on Karla solely when other players are doing the same. I'd agree with you that Karla is suspicious but your focus and your reason for it doesn't really add up.

You said you considered them but you just listed their names as lynch candidate without reason. That's not really considering.

I know you can play better than this, m3ow.

?????

Anyway Starry's claim is right, and she said she normalized Daniel and I'm inclined to believe Daniel's claim as he was afraid he get targeted by Ness, and if Beloved Princess gets lynched/killed then Day gets skipped, which explains why he pull out his vote. Though it would help to have Bus Driver confirm if his claim on targeting Trojan and killing Panda instead is real. If you don't want to out yourself (especially since it's night now) I understand too.

Also if I get killed tonight, please consider lynching either Sataric or m3ow the next day. Unless mafia kills me to put the blame on them. Consider all the possibilities :lemon:

Either way, my argument on m3ow still stands unless Karla flips red.

Your little scuffle with Ayaya gave me bad vibes. Lucanosa didn't claim VT until after night had already happened, but I sent in my RB for you straight away after the way you responded to Ayaya. If he had claimed earlier, I would have probably sent in an inspection for him. I've already said that I find my DT role this game fairly useless because there doesn't seem to be any just vanilla townies, so everyone would return not vanilla to me. Not much to go off of there.

I knew it was a pressure vote, that's why I posted saying that, so hopefully I'd get a reaction out of you. It worked c:

Reading back the posts doesn't say much to me. It's hard to keep up with all of the shtposts in here and pick any bit of information other than crazy*** roles people may or may not have. Look at ness's death. Showing that picking apart the crazy*** roles might mean the death of more of us and only a small chance of the death of scum doesn't seem to be a good strategy, but that's what all y'all are doing and look at where we are now. true, starry wasn't helping, but y'all picked apart her role and lynched her in the end.

I'm a vanilla townie, and if you don't believe me, lynch me and screw us all over (assuming you're actually town)
I wouldn't be so inactive, if maybe, y'all started making some sense in here. How many times do I need to say I suck at this, and given games like these, there's literally nothing I can contribute. I told you my opinions. And like I said, anyone who tries the bandwagon bs on me will regret it in the end. But go ahead and kill me like y'all do with Starry each game. She's not helpful like me, and half the time she's a valuable blue role and y'all lynch her just to 'clean up the board' by removing possibilities.

My death won't prove or disprove anything either, considering I haven't contributed or said much. I'm just saying this to anyone who tries any bandwagon bs with me

The reason I've been so keen on inspecting Lucanosa is because of what he said earlier in the game after he claimed he was a VT:

When I die, you are both going to regret it :)

i'm so happy i didn't vote or post much today

-//hopes i'm immune

It just seemed... off for someone to say that if they're actually just a VT. That's why I wanted to confirm his alignment last night. If I survive through the night, I'm going to try it again, but I still feel like Oath may have made me 0%.
 
My first inspection didn't go through, so I am either a 0% or just >100% detective.

Lucanosa then claimed in the thread that they're a vanilla townie. N3 I attempted to inspect Lucanosa to put another player on the confirmed list because we'd know for sure, but my action failed. I am going to attempt to inspect him again to test that theory, but I know Trundle is going to push for my lynch, so I'm telling everyone this now.
It failed?
Well, considering how everyone is scared of you, I'm honestly not surprised you were roleblocked.
I'm voting for Trundle today, for reasons I've previously stated, and also considering some of the things others have stated.
This way you can attempt to inspect me, and Trundle hopefully flips red so we can be rid of scum.
Also if Minties roleblocked me then there were three roleblockers in this game, now two. What doesn't add up to me is that Minties initially told me she was on the same page as me about not believing Karla, but then she roleblocked me? This confuses me. I thought she was town, and now I don't know. In a game with three roleblockers Im the only one that's been roleblocked??

Okay what. What Lucanosa said seems to indicate that he have no roles where the inspection could fail. And the mafia roleblocker was dead the day before so Minties couldn't be blocked. The >100% seems really conventional too, you could claim detective without having a result to prove your claim.

I also found it weird m3ow was blocked when their post didn't indicate that they have a role worth blocking. I thought she was just trying to seem pro-town by claiming a block, but why would Minties block m3ow when she could test it on players who are suspicious like Karla/Dolby/Trundle?

Changing my vote to Minties :(
 
I did it as an act of full trust in town. I have posted my suspicions. Now, if you believe me, you can vote Minties. If you don't, wait until I flip and then kill Minties. It doesn't make sense for there to be 3 roleblocker roles and 2 detectives roles in the same game. And no, I'm not allowed to change my vote.

Yes it does in this game.

THIS GAME IS AN EXPERIMENTAL SET-UP. It will very likely be unbalanced. Play at your own risk.

My role is not a normal detective role and doesn't actually do anything in this game because apparently only one person claimed VT. You're doing the same damn thing that we did in Forest Fire Mafia if you're actually town. You tunnelled me all game there too.

Does it make sense to have two millers in one game because Blu Rose flipped miller and Ayaya claimed that they're also a miller? No it doesn't at all. It makes even less sense than having one regular DT and one neapolitan DT that can't do anything if there's no vanilla townies.
 
Actually I'll keep my votes on Trundle, Minties has at least been contributing and all Trundle did was point fingers and use his double-voting powers to soon. If Trundle flips blue then we at least know who to lynch the next day...
 
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