Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[Biancasbotique]

ok Here's scum chat : https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/tKcyNhU3Yr3y

they talked mostly on discord

 

[Dolby]

Good thing I protected myself, if I died then Dolby might've tried to win it out on his own. I suppose pure margins led him to surrender?

Actually, Heyden having his N0 inspect led to me surrendering lol.

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tbc, I don't really have an issue with the switches (though it should have been better explained that they 1. reset each night 2. that the only thing the SK can do is set them back to their original position 3. that SK can only flip them when mafia are alive). Just wanted to comment on the mechanic

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Antonio being modkilled actually ended up being a godsend for town tbh. I think that the vote would've been split enough for me to get that lynch through and for Vanessa to survive another day

 

[Damniel]

Yea I agree everything should have been public if it was an open setup. The whole townie immunity thing was making it really easy for Punchy and Unravel to slip as town

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Also good game Dolby. I thought you were town. Maybe if I was town I would’ve actually looked into everyone deeper (I didn’t really care of who was who, as long as maf wasn’t getting man) but you were strong town vibes

 

[Dolby]

Yea I agree everything should have been public if it was an open setup. The whole townie immunity thing was making it really easy for Punchy and Unravel to slip as town

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Also good game Dolby. I thought you were town. Maybe if I was town I would’ve actually looked into everyone deeper (I didn’t really care of who was who, as long as maf wasn’t getting man) but you were strong town vibes

Same with you. I had you pegged as PR towards the end of D1, but the work that you put into stopping mafia (in particular, the D1 and D2 lynches) really made me think you were town

(besides that I didn't see the Dad kill come from you lol)

 

[Damniel]

Same with you. I had you pegged as PR towards the end of D1, but the work that you put into stopping mafia (in particular, the D1 and D2 lynches) really made me think you were town

(besides that I didn't see the Dad kill come from you lol)

Yea haha. I didn’t have a plan for how I was gonna play until everyone suddenly started to townread me. The universal town read was really helpful in getting whatever lynch I wanted done with no real consequences

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I still think it’s funny how buddy buddy we (the last anti-town) were this whole game. Worked for both of us

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Though I was thinking of killing you this night but decided against it since I figured you didn’t think I was SK and could’ve taken advantage of that

 

[toadsworthy]

This is precisely why you challenge everything in these games. Look at the evidence and not be swayed just because someone has more experience.... unravel did not seem too scummy to me hence why I started sniffing out other cases since my time seemed limited. I don't think I would've been too effective since both of them were ganging up on me and everyone else was keen to just go along with their plan. Not to mention when I go off on head cases, people just dismiss them as me being crazy. Even though wrapped up in there, I do have some good thoughts

Praise to Heyden for putting the nail in the coffin for us! Stellar job from replacements in general , I don't know how or why we would've picked out dolby, but its thanks to your copping. I guess good on Farobi too.

Yeah dan I think your only thing was picking cop/vig immunity since you played solid the entire time.

Everyone throws around PoE like its concrete, but this should be a good example of why you don't town lock people or allow set-up lynches just because of PoE. If you have one bus or false fact you base it on, then you can be cucked the entire rest of the game.

 

[Biancasbotique]

@Dolby, you had a question about Night Zero.

You guys turned off the cop switch, Daniel reversed it, Farobi's investigation went through

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Actually, Heyden having his N0 inspect led to me surrendering lol.

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tbc, I don't really have an issue with the switches (though it should have been better explained that they 1. reset each night 2. that the only thing the SK can do is set them back to their original position 3. that SK can only flip them when mafia are alive). Just wanted to comment on the mechanic

I did put it in mechanics

"Each night, the town powerroles are active pending a player "switching" them off."

 

[Dolby]

Everyone throws around PoE like its concrete, but this should be a good example of why you don't town lock people or allow set-up lynches just because of PoE. If you have one bus or false fact you base it on, then you can be cucked the entire rest of the game.

Def gonna echo this point. I personally feel that I was the primary backer of using PoE on D2 this game, and that was because it was to my advantage. Really, there was no reason for Unravel to be top sus (though I will stand by that Punchy and Dan should've actually been clear for their EoD performance because no scum goes "hey we actually have the numbers to maj" on the Dad lynch when they got their golden ticket to lynch Farobi). Really, lynchs probably wouldn't have gone different from the established PoE if Dan was cop and Unravel was SK as an example.

I will say though that I'm astounded that all the blame transferred to Evan for the EoD crisis, rather than me for voting Farobi

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@Dolby, you had a question about Night Zero.

You guys turned off the cop switch, Daniel reversed it, Farobi's investigation went through

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I did put it in mechanics

"Each night, the town powerroles are active pending a player "switching" them off."

Main issue is the lack of addressing that maf switches have to be alive for SK to a switch (I was under the impression that sk can flip a switch at any time), tbf, the reset one was due to me skimreading, but neither of the other two were addressed at all (and in the case of part 3, was actually kinda misleading)

 

[Damniel]

PoE is really good for anti-town in getting EZ lynches

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I’m astounded on how easy it was to control town’s thinking this game. It seems like everyone just went this what Dolby and I were saying

 

[amazonevan19]

yeah I was not afraid to voice my opinions the first couple phases but after the EoD debacle and near death I kind of just settled down and parroted the PoE. Def taking that as the biggest lesson from this game.

 

[Geoni]

I was supposed to be the day 2 lynch so yeah that didn't work out for the mileage Dolby needed it to, and I didn't even have the time to give my input on the N1 switch decision because night was ended early. And then the stuff with the Antonio role PM incident led to more ruin. I was betting on Vanessa and Dolby to not get lynched for two days and that Dolby would be able to play the cards right with night actions but that in and of itself isn't predictable unless you are right about SK and understand that player well enough to predict what they might do. And what happened with Vanessa, who...when teamed with myself and Dolby was always the one we'd prefer to have alive the longest.

I also made the mistake of not considering tbt's culture when it comes to wagon testing when I voted unravel, I've been playing somewhere where a vote like that EoD isn't out of the ordinary for a townie to do when they don't like the wagons and half forming a wagon before falling back on the compromised informational lynch (Farobi) is also something I've seen town do in recent games of this size and larger because it helps the wagonomics analysis d2 with more information and it's how I was hoping to make it work out...but yeah different and less dynamic culture and work suddenly throwing everything at me really blew that up in my face. Not being able to present the wagon option with more case-level analysis people expect me to have and timely interaction thereafter made me look frozen.

Sorry if that's long-winded but I know it was a really weird moment from someone like me.

Surprised to find out Dan was SK, I was leaning on it being Punchy N1 once I was able to fully read into things because I could see his case on Farobi being a means to gain town points for what was looking to be a Farobi lynch at the time and was in agreement with Dolby about reading Dan as pr. But yeah the choice to kill me was a surprise but I guess in the grand scheme of things resolving me vs Dolby at that N1 as SK would mean at least one scum would be dead by EoD2. I just assumed SK would rather let it play out more naturally and hide in what would have been a sea of me vs Dolby.

This was an amazingly stacked scumteam and I'm sad it couldn't be mountainous. As much as I was waiting for the day bit would finally happen ...Dolby and I both being on team with a cop and a SK at play is...oof.

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Also yes, Evan, in scumchat I was like 'damn Evan got 2/3 on D1 this is impressive townplay.'

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And it was, imo.

 

[Dolby]

I'm more impressed not that he got 2/3 but that he was able to connect us as a team and note that Farobi really didn't make sense at the same time tbh

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Also, for context on the Daniel PR thing, we were literally like "Dan is PR" after Dad survived the lynch lol

 

[Geoni]

I'm more impressed not that he got 2/3 but that he was able to connect us as a team and note that Farobi really didn't make sense at the same time tbh

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Also, for context on the Daniel PR thing, we were literally like "Dan is PR" after Dad survived the lynch lol

Yeah which is what I was hoping to drive home as an anti-align had I not been SK'd and instead had a good week to really drive home a false PoE with it clearing Dolby and Vanessa and setting Evan up to look bad day 3 (PR claim notwithstanding) but...N1 happened with me and so did what happened on D2 with Vanessa. I know you wouldn't surrender if you had truly little chance to survive and win so it sucks to see it.

I'm not sure why the decision was made to make VT specifically immune to kills on a certain night.

 

[Dolby]

Yeah which is what I was hoping to drive home as an anti-align had I not been SK'd and instead had a good week to really drive home a false PoE with it clearing Dolby and Vanessa and setting Evan up to look bad day 3 (PR claim notwithstanding) but...N1 happened with me and so did what happened on D2 with Vanessa. I know you wouldn't surrender if you had truly little chance to survive and win so it sucks to see it.

I'm not sure why the decision was made to make VT specifically immune to kills on a certain night.

Heyden claimed cop with an inno on Punchy and Toads, meaning that only me and Unravel were possible

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My only path to win was pretend to think that Heyden was reaction testing and then accuse him after the Unravel lynch went through and that had 0% chance of working lol

 

[Geoni]

Pressed F

I'm burnt out from the mountainous and Hydra games back to back. And work/IRL chaos. Probably going to take a break from mafia.

 

[cornimer]

Good game town! Sorry I was so inactive - I don't like to coast as scum but irl screwed me over. And sorry @my teammates for playing like trash
Great play by toads and Dan! And Evan you had us shook when you guessed me/Dolby as a team lol

 

[unravel]

That feeling ur gut feeling is somewhat right but it feels really wrong at the same time.

I somewhat gave up early game cuz everything feels not right and i commend dolby's team wtf i really dont see the 3 of them as scum smh???????

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I had to practice playing on mobile but its damn hard
If Farobi didn't replaced town wouldnt have win for sure, mafia have somewhat an advantage early game until Toads and Heyden game

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Came*

 

[cornimer]

Vampnessa��Last Wednesday at 8:14 PM
easiest way out lmao
dolby in thread: Vote the American Imperialist Dad for our socialist future
dolby out of thread: screaming

Real talk Dan was town MVP

For context this is from when Dolby was leading the Dad lynch brigade
It was funny because he was so calm in the thread but in the scum discord he was freaking out about how to save Dad while still going after him

 

[moonford]

congrats to town!

 

[Antonio]

Dolby could've definitely used that to his advantage because no one really suspected him. He could've gone on a little longer and possibly win. Anyways this was a good game and I'm sorry for that quote. I keep on forgetting about certain stuff. I'm gonna try to get better.

Still pissed on how Punchy was playing. Your gut isn't ****ing logic.

Also, surprised that Town won even when Mafia consisted of Vanessa, Dad, and Dolby who are surprising some of the best players on this forum.

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Bianca in sus chat:

"What is your strategy Dolby? I think you really need to eliminate the cop soon. They are the biggest threat to you so far." Were you helping sus?

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Punchy, eat your hat. You said you would do it if I didn't flip and I didn't flip.