Mafia The Hunger Games Mafia - Game Thread - Endgame - Mafia + Survivor Win

[illunie]

Then he has basically made it so that he will be lynched at a later date because, as I said, if he doesn’t maf side at LYLO (except in a 1v1v1) he’s confirmed scum

a 1 v 1 v 1 would never happen, maf would win. i think u mean a 2 v 1 v 1

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2 being town

 

[Dolby]

a 1 v 1 v 1 would never happen, maf would win. i think u mean a 2 v 1 v 1

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2 being town

Well that depends on what mafias win con is. But in a 1v1v1 you’d be either confirmed scum through winning/claiming, or confirmed Maf through the same logic
But yeah, you wouldn’t have to mafside in a 2v1v1 either

 

[illunie]

Well that depends on what mafias win con is. But in a 1v1v1 you’d be either confirmed scum through winning/claiming, or confirmed Maf through the same logic
But yeah, you wouldn’t have to mafside in a 2v1v1 either

im like 99 percent sure i dont count to town numbers, but i can ask the host if u want clarification on it

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my role pm says i work by myself in the flavour but nothing specific

 

[Dolby]

im like 99 percent sure i dont count to town numbers, but i can ask the host if u want clarification on it

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my role pm says i work by myself in the flavour but nothing specific

I mean if mafia has to equal town or if mafia has to equal all other players

 

[illunie]

I mean if mafia has to equal town or if mafia has to equal all other players

yeye ik what u mean, idk if i count as a town or not tho

 

[amazonevan19]

Youve played half a bakers dozen games? Thsts 6.5 ma dude

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I'm really suspicious of Rune's claim to survivor. He claimed he'd help the town to try to earn people's trust, and that's real scummy to do right on his first post. The town doesn't matter to him, since his wincon doesn't involve the town at all. I wouldn't mind if he got lynched first, lol

Why exactly is that scummy though? Survs technically don't have to do anything to help anyone and he's only doing that for self-preservation purposes. The "oh scum wouldn't do that d1" defense can only last so long until endgame rolls around and we end up lynching TP anyway. The fact he did it so early on d1 indicates to me he is probably telling the truth. Scum wouldn't put a big target on their back like that, given how Panda just claimed surv last game and was scum (though under much different circumstances)

 

[calamitybot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8

 

[amazonevan19]

Btw, anybody seriously think that Runes scum. Same principle that I applied to myself in Generic. Wait until assumed LYLO day, if maf don?t out, he?s confirmed fakeing. Sure, we technically lose little by lynching him today, except a chance to catch scum

Dolby's Wager 2.0?

Anyway I'm not getting why people are saying rune is making himself a target. Why exactly would scum want to waste KP on a surv?

 

[Antonio]

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Why exactly is that scummy though? Survs technically don't have to do anything to help anyone and he's only doing that for self-preservation purposes. The "oh scum wouldn't do that d1" defense can only last so long until endgame rolls around and we end up lynching TP anyway. The fact he did it so early on d1 indicates to me he is probably telling the truth. Scum wouldn't put a big target on their back like that, given how Panda just claimed surv last game and was scum (though under much different circumstances)

I don't personally like applying scum stereotypes (scum does this or that) to people (especially when they only played a few games) because Mafia could do the opposite of a said-so stereotype anytime and leave everyone thinking they are town. I like to based my opinions around current/past game play.

 

[amazonevan19]

I don't personally like applying scum stereotypes (scum does this or that) to people (especially when they only played a few games) because Mafia could do the opposite of a said-so stereotype anytime and leave everyone thinking they are town. I like to based my opinions around current/past game play.

mafia can do the opposite, sure, but especially in the case of a surv claim, it becomes harder to maintain as time goes on

like I get what you're saying but I def think that surv claim situations are pretty clear-cut
- if rune is scum, we leave him alone for most of the game until lylo and lynch him, so his claim doesn't help him
- lol if rune is town, TP claims can't be town
- if rune is hostile TP, we track the kills each phase and we realize there's probably a SK so we vig shoot or lynch him, doesn't help him

Basically the only time it benefits rune to claim surv as scum is...never. It helps him live through the game to be sure, but he locks himself in to getting PoE'd really fast end of game

 

[Antonio]

mafia can do the opposite, sure, but especially in the case of a surv claim, it becomes harder to maintain as time goes on

like I get what you're saying but I def think that surv claim situations are pretty clear-cut
- if rune is scum, we leave him alone for most of the game until lylo and lynch him, so his claim doesn't help him
- lol if rune is town, TP claims can't be town
- if rune is hostile TP, we track the kills each phase and we realize there's probably a SK so we vig shoot or lynch him, doesn't help him

Basically the only time it benefits rune to claim surv as scum is...never. It helps him live through the game to be sure, but he locks himself in to getting PoE'd really fast end of game

Yes, there are no benefits but the reasons behind his claim is illogical and in my opinion, was done out of pure paranoia therefore he claimed.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

ok so first I think Rune is SK
still havent read up on the thread

 

[Dolby]

ok so first I think Rune is SK
still havent read up on the thread

If he’s SK, he’s not going to kill because 3 kills per night+ no vig claim=dead Rune

 

[dedenne]

im 75 25 on runes claim, yes it is a bit odd to claim in your first post but from what ive read thats the norm? idk. he seemed pretty genuine tho and honestly lynching him will be no used to town whatsoever, we should focus on lynching maf asap (which is what we should be doing anyway lol)

 

[Byngo]

ok so first I think Rune is SK
still havent read up on the thread

u realize if sk claims anything in thread they essentially throw their killing ability away

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o dolby ninjad me lol

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punchy

are you scum cuz ur matching the tone u had in Russian roulette mafia

 

[Dolby]

Going into this, despite the low level of experience of most of the people pressuring Rune, I do feel that some of the pressure on Rune is scum-motivated due to the sheer volume of it, coming from calamity, Punchy, and Antonio off the top of my head. Despite him claiming surv, the focus on his claim, which should have been resolved almost immediately with Rune being tantamount to confirmed, he's still being pressured. I view a lot of this as self-serving and people trying to feign content, similar to Rune's own pressure on myself and Punchy in APM, when both of us should have been tantamount to confirmed, just like Rune is now

Written after a bit into this-I've decided to focus more of the pushes on Rune by people after I explained why we should leave Rune for later

Farobi cool down like jesus

He called someone scum one hour into the game. Really?

First of all, these posts are tonally different from normal Punchy. Far more aggressive in a bad way, focusing on Farobi's own reach, which I viewed as perfectly fine.

I want to lynch him because that obvious fake claim is just SO obvious. It technically won't hurt us if we lynch him, bc he's probably TP, and we won't be losing our numbers.

This is SO off from normal Punchy and how he acted in APM and Call the Ships. This is less emotionally charged, less spontaneous than how he normally acts. It's about as declarative, but I don't see any of Punchy's normal emotion behind it, all I see her is exasperation rather than a combination of mania or desperation to prove himself that's normal of him as town. I'm really not in a position to compare him to his town play right now, I'm planning to do that when I get home.

I wanna lynch him because, if hes being truthful, the town wont be affected by his lynching. if hes scum, then the town has an advantage over the mafia very early game! win-win all around.

Btw, very town line of thinking, if calamity was scum I feel that he would avoid pointing this out in the hopes of causing a ML

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Ahhh, the grammar mistakes. Basically, your 2 points make no sense to me cause you could have just tried playing town and no one would have probably found you guilt. Your long timeline period in point #2 most likely won't happen so basically you claimed out of being paranoid, right? You worried about being lynched for seeming as scum so you claimed but in the end, it just put you on Mafia radar because they know you are now working with Town. Unless, mafia don't lynch you during night. You are obviously a threat and if they don't take you out then it means you are Mafia or just not what you seem to be.

I don't like this. It basically declares that if Rune doesn't die he's scum because he claimed early. No rational scum would claim TP on D1, and Rune is def rational. Moreover, scum wouldn't kill Rune and I think it's pretty obvious because he can win with them.

I don't personally like applying scum stereotypes (scum does this or that) to people (especially when they only played a few games) because Mafia could do the opposite of a said-so stereotype anytime and leave everyone thinking they are town. I like to based my opinions around current/past game play.

This actually makes me think that Antonio is just being dense and ignoring the reality will eventually be confirmed scum should he be maf

ok so first I think Rune is SK
still havent read up on the thread

OMFG, I wish I wasn't at school right

This is not how town Punchy speaks
Punchy right now IS A ROBOT. There is none of the town emotion in his posts, and I wish that I could do an analysis of his posts but the post filters don't load on my chromebook. It will come later today though
This post specifically is absolutely horrible as well from a town perspective, and he's pretty much doing what Rune did in APM to me and him iirc. After the possibility of Rune being mafia has been pretty much entirely disproved, he focuses on the possibility of Rune being SK (I myself left open the possibility of him being scum, with the caveat that he isn't killing every night). This is done for the sole purpose of casting doubt on what should be an easy townlock. Town Punchy would accept that going after Rune isn't worth it at this point, but continues to pressure Rune to get out content.

I have to leave at this, I'm currently in econ and we're testing soon

 

[amazonevan19]

I do feel that some of the pressure on Rune is scum-motivated due to the sheer volume of it, coming from calamity, Punchy, and Antonio off the top of my head. Despite him claiming surv, the focus on his claim, which should have been resolved almost immediately with Rune being tantamount to confirmed, he's still being pressured. I view a lot of this as self-serving and people trying to feign content, similar to Rune's own pressure on myself and Punchy in APM, when both of us should have been tantamount to confirmed, just like Rune is now

you just said the pressure is scum motivated then sr punchy and antonio but tl calamity?

after that last post from dolby I am starting to think that that Antonio/Punchy and Dolby are not on the same team, with their sharp disagreements over rune, and dolby sring them this early day 1. Antonio and Punchy are def compatible scummates based on their shared opinions about rune and I've had my doubts about Dolby early on cuz of his early waffles interactions, but some of his content as of late is pretty solid. I also think Punchy would be told in qt to not be pressing rune like this early on - but if antonio is a scummate of his then perhaps they're making the push together...hmm

 

[Dolby]

you just said the pressure is scum motivated then sr punchy and antonio but tl calamity?

Evan, as you once said, I can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time
Yeah, calamity’s way of going after Rune seems more town than Antonio’s or Punchy’s, and I came to different conclusions on all three of them. Obviously the whole scum team isn’t going to be in that list.. Ultimately I’m null on Antonio because i think that he’s being dense in not accepting that Rune will be confirmed at some point, but Calamity has said some things that are counterproductive if he’s scum, particularly wanting to lynch Rune while believing that Rune is surv

 

[calamitybot]

Alright, I'm done with my tirade about rune. he's safe, for now. At this rate, it would be pretty good if punchy was taken care of.

 

[dedenne]

Alright, I'm done with my tirade about rune. he's safe, for now. At this rate, it would be pretty good if punchy was taken care of.

what do you mean by "taken care of"?