Mafia The Murder of Woodpines Oregon - Game Thread - Endgame

[Antonio]

k so I have a lot of problems with Amanda's reads list

- After all of this time, why am I her O.N.L.Y. scum lean in her ENTIRE list? Obvious OMGUS is obvious? And her read is incredibly wishy-washy. Pretty much boils down to "Evan SR'd me, and he's never talked to me, so I don't like that, but I TR'd him cuz Seroja now idk." Her read on me is the definition of why I am having major issues with her posts - they are flufftacular, wishy-washy soapbox stands which don't actually contribute much significant content for all of their words. Amanda, I haven't interacted with you because frankly, I haven't felt it necessary to direct anything towards you when I doubt I'll ever get a straight answer or anything of worth in reply. This goes beyond IRL busyness. You're only here to make appearances and defend your teammates - that's it.

- Why does she feel it necessary to put dead/removed players in the reads? It makes no sense and honestly looks like adding fluff to the reads to me

- Lolol "Amanda1983 - town" don't put yourself in reads lists except as a joke; the fact she put herself here is really weird. Maybe she just has a thorough personality? Idk it rubs me the wrong way.

- The Locket read ends off with "I need to see more to make a better read" - which is exactly what she says for her nulls. Either she (a) forgot to change Locket to null or (b) are not too concerned with who they TR and null, which is easy for scum to do since they know who's who.

-Her farobi read is "slight town lean," but ends off with "I cannot see him as anything other than town." That is not what a "slight" townlean sounds like to me, folks. Again indicates to me that she's not really caring who she town and scum leans.

Now maybe I'm being a bit picky in the last two critiques, but I think that everything put together paints a very scummy picture for Amanda. Someone who says a bunch of things to appear helpful, but is really only making sure her teammates get townread. Her reads are incredibly self-seeking - townreading or nulling everyone but yours truly to make sure no one is pissed off. You speculate a on "eh maybe these guys could be mafia but nah gonna townlean them." Lol. I have not seen a better example of a milktoast mafia reads than Amanda's reads right here.

Please lynch Amanda next day phase. If I'm not alive, I ask you do so in my memory; and if I'm still here, I will definitely be instavoting her with no reservations. Either she's hardcore protecting scum Punchy, or hard townreading town Punchy to make herself look good ~3 hours before the flip.

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I will, unless they lync me.

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Who is this post to?



Ya. That's just how they turned out. So unless the other Mafia are in my nulls, I've clearly got at least one person as a Town Read (however slight) rn who isn't Town.

Well, hopefully y'all are right and the Punchy lynch yields us valuable info to determine Mafia by PoE.

It's obviously towards you as it talks about your weird ass reads.

 

[amazonevan19]

Ya. That's just how they turned out. So unless the other Mafia are in my nulls, I've clearly got at least one person as a Town Read (however slight) rn who isn't Town.

Well, hopefully y'all are right and the Punchy lynch yields us valuable info to determine Mafia by PoE.

"that's just how they turned out"

Perspective slip? Lemme explain

Here's how reads normally work: A townie who is writing a reads list is going through each person's posts (or their remembrance of people's contributions) and sharing their feelings and opinions about each player. It's not a matter of "how it falls." It's a deliberate, thoughtful process of assigning TR/SR/null to each player. This doesn't mean every read list is a super well-thought out list; this means that townies are operating off the basis of not knowing who is who, and are attempting to give their opinions on unknowns.

"How it turned out"?? Anyone at this point paying attention should have at least 2-3 scumleans. "How it turned out" implies that you crafted these reads on players you already know about, perhaps ran the list past someone else, made sure they would be palatable for the thread, then posted.

Also, the last sentence sounds SUPER forced. "How do you do, fellow townies? Gee I sure hope the vote goes right and helps us learn some information to find those scummies!" get outta here, this is nowhere near the time to be talking about finding scum by PoE

 

[toadsworthy]

honestly amanda's reads are town-telling... she would know better as scum to do something so obvious

 

[amazonevan19]

honestly amanda's reads are town-telling... she would know better as scum to do something so obvious

would she though? I'm not doubting her skill here, but this has been her MO all game long and I'm tired of it. I don't see town's best interests or pursuing much scumhunting from her, and the list exemplifies that.

 

[toadsworthy]

would she though? I'm not doubting her skill here, but this has been her MO all game long and I'm tired of it. I don't see town's best interests or pursuing much scumhunting from her, and the list exemplifies that.

no she is very competent, and she is always a very nice sweet person

 

[Antonio]

no she is very competent, and she is always a very nice sweet person

If she is always one thing (sweet person) then is there really a difference between her town and mafia gameplay.

 

[Seroja]

amanda you have one scum lean.....

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Punchy, on top of the other question I asked, who would you consider to be "inactive"

toads this game reminds me heavily of cleb's game where you were town last. honestly I'm not surprised that amanda only has one scumlean. that's better than me who reads everyone as town lmaoooo. I'm starting to suspect that there's only one mafia, and possibly other third party players each with their own agenda but I'm probably reaching.

 

[toadsworthy]

toads this game reminds me heavily of cleb's game where you were town last. honestly I'm not surprised that amanda only has one scumlean. that's better than me who reads everyone as town lmaoooo. I'm starting to suspect that there's only one mafia, and possibly other third party players each with their own agenda but I'm probably reaching.

lol, what? i have to believe its a little more standard than that... thats some crackpot theories a little bit early

 

[Biancasbotique]

sorry Punchy I am sheepled and sometimes town has good instincts so Ima vote for you today

 

[toadsworthy]

If she is always one thing (sweet person) then is there really a difference between her town and mafia gameplay.

if you are gonna ask questions like this, you need to be willing to go and read old games for yourself. You don't have to read the whole thing, just ISO a person's posts. You don't want to do that so, so I'm kinda just tuning you out

 

[Farobi]

Placing my vote on Panda cause she failed to address why she voted for me in a good manner. Amanda's super townlean post is not telling enough for further my suspicion but im definitely gonna eye her for the next day phase if i survive.

 

[amanda1983]

k so I have a lot of problems with Amanda's reads list

- After all of this time, why am I her O.N.L.Y. scum lean in her ENTIRE list? Obvious OMGUS is obvious? And her read is incredibly wishy-washy. Pretty much boils down to "Evan SR'd me, and he's never talked to me, so I don't like that, but I TR'd him cuz Seroja now idk." Her read on me is the definition of why I am having major issues with her posts - they are flufftacular, wishy-washy soapbox stands which don't actually contribute much significant content for all of their words. Amanda, I haven't interacted with you because frankly, I haven't felt it necessary to direct anything towards you when I doubt I'll ever get a straight answer or anything of worth in reply. This goes beyond IRL busyness. You're only here to make appearances and defend your teammates - that's it.

- Why does she feel it necessary to put dead/removed players in the reads? It makes no sense and honestly looks like adding fluff to the reads to me

- Lolol "Amanda1983 - town" don't put yourself in reads lists except as a joke; the fact she put herself here is really weird. Maybe she just has a thorough personality? Idk it rubs me the wrong way.

- The Locket read ends off with "I need to see more to make a better read" - which is exactly what she says for her nulls. Either she (a) forgot to change Locket to null or (b) are not too concerned with who they TR and null, which is easy for scum to do since they know who's who.

-Her farobi read is "slight town lean," but ends off with "I cannot see him as anything other than town." That is not what a "slight" townlean sounds like to me, folks. Again indicates to me that she's not really caring who she town and scum leans.

Now maybe I'm being a bit picky in the last two critiques, but I think that everything put together paints a very scummy picture for Amanda. Someone who says a bunch of things to appear helpful, but is really only making sure her teammates get townread. Her reads are incredibly self-seeking - townreading or nulling everyone but yours truly to make sure no one is pissed off. You speculate a on "eh maybe these guys could be mafia but nah gonna townlean them." Lol. I have not seen a better example of a milktoast mafia reads than Amanda's reads right here.

Please lynch Amanda next day phase. If I'm not alive, I ask you do so in my memory; and if I'm still here, I will definitely be instavoting her with no reservations. Either she's hardcore protecting scum Punchy, or hard townreading town Punchy to make herself look good ~3 hours before the flip.

- Well, two of the people I thought were scum or at least scummy are dead, and I'm not impulsive so no, I don't have a whole bunch of scum leans. Your interpretation of my read on you is rather convenient to justify your own stated perspective, but the same can be said of me about you, as well as other reads so far so I'm not going to read too much into it.

- Idk if you somehow missed it but there was some confusion caused by how I did the first reads list, so I specifically included every player this time. Just in case. But I generally do this anyway, to ensure I haven't left any names off accidentally, and for ease of reference. I see your point about it seeming like fluff, but this is just something I do.

- again, that's just something I have always done. As I did in the earlier list. Was that just not a problem for you then? I usually do add something humorous to my name before sending, but it's the last thing I write (since the reads matter, jokes don't) and given the time I was focussing on getting the reads posted asap and forgot to add anything this time.

- This seems like an issue of semantics? I said 'like' not 'need' - I *need* to see more from Dedenne2 to make a better read. Which is why I used the word 'need' then. And I am more comfortable with what I have so far for Locket and even Bianca, hence my use of the word 'like' there. I try to choose the words I mean, and I am very pedantic. By the way - of the four nulls on my list, I mentioned wanting more content from only two of them. That is because more content from them will help name determine alignment, I think. In the other cases, including yours, more content per se won't help me, but lynch results and other players interacting with you will.

- that's not what I said? I was going through what factors I was considering as most significant for reading Farobi, and why my read of them was now more than 'null'.

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Wow. Dude. I would hope I could play better as Mafia!Amanda than to try not to piss off everyone but one player, especially in this context. That's so stupid a strategy I would be insulted if someone who'd played with me before raised it as something I might do.

Idgaf whether you, or any other player, likes me or my contribution to this game. I've been doing my best but I am well aware I am not the best player here, and that I need to improve the quality of content I post. Now that I can see more about why you found my content so objectionable, I do something about it. So I still find it odd, and not Pro-Town, that you chose not to engage me at all until this point.

 

[Biancasbotique]

the three scums are Farobi, Amanda and Punchy

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Idgaf whether you, or any other player, likes me or my contribution to this game. I've been doing my best but I am well aware I am not the best player here, and that I need to improve the quality of content I post. Now that I can see more about why you found my content so objectionable, I do something about it. So I still find it odd, and not Pro-Town, that you chose not to engage me at all until this point.

you're playing well my dear!

 

[amanda1983]

"that's just how they turned out"

Perspective slip? Lemme explain

Here's how reads normally work: A townie who is writing a reads list is going through each person's posts (or their remembrance of people's contributions) and sharing their feelings and opinions about each player. It's not a matter of "how it falls." It's a deliberate, thoughtful process of assigning TR/SR/null to each player. This doesn't mean every read list is a super well-thought out list; this means that townies are operating off the basis of not knowing who is who, and are attempting to give their opinions on unknowns.

"How it turned out"?? Anyone at this point paying attention should have at least 2-3 scumleans. "How it turned out" implies that you crafted these reads on players you already know about, perhaps ran the list past someone else, made sure they would be palatable for the thread, then posted.

Also, the last sentence sounds SUPER forced. "How do you do, fellow townies? Gee I sure hope the vote goes right and helps us learn some information to find those scummies!" get outta here, this is nowhere near the time to be talking about finding scum by PoE

*headdesk*

Dude. Stop patronising me.

And that last sentence is a DIRECT RESULT FROM ME ALREADY HAVING EXPLAINED THAT I DO NOT THINK PUNCHY IS MAFIA AND I AM NOT CONVINCED WE WILL GET A LOT OF VALUE OUT OF THE LYNCH.

I have also said I understand why other people think otherwise.

It seems at this point like you are intentionally misunderstanding me and/or deliberately cherry picking.

 

[Biancasbotique]

I wouldnt be surprised if toads is scum too because he has a history of beig scum many times in a row

 

[Antonio]

if you are gonna ask questions like this, you need to be willing to go and read old games for yourself. You don't have to read the whole thing, just ISO a person's posts. You don't want to do that so, so I'm kinda just tuning you out

No, these are your accusations so why don't you back it up! Amazon has a great point and your only counter response is "she's a sweetie pie". That doesn't really back up your point for amanda being innocent.

 

[Seroja]

lol, what? i have to believe its a little more standard than that... thats some crackpot theories a little bit early

yeah it was just a thought. what I'm experiencing right now is similar to what I felt in that game where I went back and forth in reading players because they all seem town in a way. and it turned out that everyone was town smh and scum was a one-man's show.

I don't think amanda is scum because (I've said this before I think) the way she came into the thread and pushed a lynch off punchy and onto waffles was very weird for scum!amanda to do. If punchy was her scummate it would have benefit her more to lynch him and get them brownie points after he flips red. If she's maf and punchy wasn't her mate it wouldn't have mattered who got lynched between him and waffles cos they're both town. But driving the lynch onto waffles put the spotlight on her and saving punchy wouldn't have benefit her but instead implicate her even more.

I have been going back and forth with a lot of yalls and it's hurting my head.

 

[Biancasbotique]

how about this? if detective gets a mafia read at night 2 during the game to tell us during day 3. I want detective to investigate Amanda > Farobi > Toads > Locket in that order

 

[Seroja]

i get a few scum vibes here and there, but not enough to go full-on: seroja is scum!

these are me skimming the posts before i go and do stuff and since i have time now i'll probably go and elaborate more

still waiting for that elaboration.

 

[Biancasbotique]

if detective gets a town read during night 2, please shut up and dont reveal yourself