Mafia The Murder of Woodpines Oregon - Game Thread - Endgame
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PunchyTheCat
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We have like 4 hours L.L Alright, who's scumy
amanda1983
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Seroja - sorry, I think I'm either using "Town Lock" erroneously or else in just a manner that is more confusing than I realised. I wrote the section above in response to Waffles when they asked me about my read on Antonio. I was a bit confused by their question at the time as it seemed obvious to me that if a player has been cleared as Town, I wouldn't be reading them as Town Locked, but 'Cleared'. I thought I'd seen at least one other player here use 'Town Locked' in the same context I had but I can't find it now, and it's not really relevant to answer your question (just my own, for if I've been using it incorrectly).
Essentially, I meant Seroja = strong TR.
Again, sorry for causing unnecessary confusion.
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I don't want to vote for Punchy as I still don't see them as Mafia, and I'm not convinced an intentional ML will yield as much value as others think it will. I mean, I see and appreciate the reasoning behind a Punchy lynch, I just don't agree that we'll get enough helpful info out of it to justify it.
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That said, at this stage, I don't have a better candidate. And I certainly do not want another crazed EoD.
i get a few scum vibes here and there, but not enough to go full-on: seroja is scum!
these are me skimming the posts before i go and do stuff and since i have time now i'll probably go and elaborate more
amanda1983
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Bianca- why are you voting for Evan?
PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
I think that we should take a shot in the dark and lynch the inactives. I'm going to put my vote on Dedenne for now.
Antonio
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So you can get the heat off your back?
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PunchyDaHufflepuff-4
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Toadsworthy
Dedenne2
Amazonevan19
Antonio
Farobi-0
biancasbotique
Amazonevan19
Amazonevan19-1
Biancasbotique
Dedenne2-1
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Not Voting-5
Amanda1983
Farobi
Locket
Seroja
PandaDarling
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PunchyDaHufflepuff-4
Toadsworthy
Dedenne2
Amazonevan19
Antonio
Farobi-0
Amazonevan19-1
Biancasbotique
Dedenne2-1
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Not Voting-5
Amanda1983
Farobi
Locket
Seroja
PandaDarling
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PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
Everyone else seems towny imo, the inactives are the best chance, as to not have a mislynch.
but what if the inactives are vigs? thats my problem with lynching inactives
PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
I'll mk myself if they're vigs lol
toadsworthy
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Punchy obviously all the mafia aren't inactives.... who of active players do you think is scum?
amazonevan19
DLELELEWOOOOP
hate to sound like an ass, but
Taking bets on Panda never expounding on this until 5 minutes before EoD and then she leads a lynch on me
Punchy obviously doesn't want to die, but beating up on inactives is one of the easiest things for scum to do, and all the people who are """uncomfortable""" with lynching Punchy have (a) no alternatives and (b) are people I also scumread, so I have no real reason to change unless we get an investigate clearing Punchy post-mortem, Kappa
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looking at the votes so far, unless maf all piles up on the same non-Punchian candidate, Punchy should be dead with five votes
beware of a blitz attempt though guys
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One thing I know for sure, I do not look forward to reading obs after this. They're probably deriding us lol
Though I feel that way almost every game
amanda1983
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My current reads :
1. Amazonevan19 - null/slight scum lean now. The way they've been continually referring to my posts as scummy etc but haven't asked me any questions or otherwise interacted with me - despite apparently feeling strongly enough about their read to want my lynch is concerning to me. Idc about being scum read, particularly when I can see the rationale, but I'm finding it difficult to see the motivation for Town!Evan behind their push on me. Their push on Seroja was direct and, frankly, clumsily done - I read them as Town during that whole saga. Those are the main things I've noticed involving them so far, and the TR from the latter is currently outweighed only slightly by how puzzling their approach to reading me has been (and yes, I'm aware I could be over-reacting, hence I'm putting this info here so people can tell me if they think I'm way off base or missing something, etc).
2. Vampnessa - Watcher one of the best Town contributors, gone too soon dammit
3. PunchyDaHufflepuff - Town more now than ever. I wavered slightly reading a couple of their posts from EoD 1 in ISO, but, in context, they make sense for Town!Punchy given the situation and the stress they'd be under with being so close to being lynched. My read was further consolidated by their conduct after the Night phase.. with Town being at a clear disadvantage now, their alternate resignation to being MLd (in order to gain info for Town) vs random inclination to fight to stay alive (and therefore keep Town numbers up, and hopefully find actual Mafia) makes sense to me. I would like to see more Pro-Town content from them before EoD, regardless of who is lynched though.
4. Toadsworthy - slight Town Lean. Possibly should be just a Town Lean rather than "slightly" as I just do not think he'd be able to be so (relatively) calm if he was Mafia!Toads. My only concern is that I've not seen him as actively trying to find Mafia as I would expect from Town!Toads - this could be explained by RL stuff, but he's not one of my top Town Reads for now.
5. Farobi - slight Town Lean now. The initial posts of their's with Runeraider had me wondering if they might both be Mafia as there were a couple of things that struck me as odd/not quite Town at the time. Runeraider flipping Town doesn't mean Farobi is also Town, but I would have expected Mafia!Farobi to try and minimise their random (and frankly suspicious) mention of 3rd Party in post # 11 by claiming they'd only been commenting on the flavour text Ness had just put up, or they'd just re-read their win/con or something. Instead, they explained a line of thinking in post # 47 that both made sense and seemed like a natural progression of Town!Farobi trying to figure things out. I'm wary of the repeated comments I've seen that quite Farobi = scummy Farobi, but for now I'm not seeing anything them as anything other than Town.
6. Amanda1983 - Town.
7. Locket - slight Town Lean what I've seen from them has been fine, including their defence of their reads which in context just seemed like they were self-conscious their reads were not as detailed/fully fleshed out as those from some other players. I would like to see more from so I can get a better read.
8. Antonio - Town. If this wasn't their first game they'd have dropped right down to a 'slight scumlean' as a result of some of their more random posts. That said, the actual content that deals with the game itself still screams 'new Town player' in a way that would be remarkable to imitate, and I can see their logic behind their reads in post # 784. It's not great logic, but it absolutely makes sense for a new player and is an impressive contribution from them.
9. Biancasbotque - null. I keep going back and forth on this one. On the one hand, there have been some posts that a Mafia player, particularly one who is already seen as random in general, wouldn't necessarily bother to post. But I haven't seen anything that specifically raises a red flag. I just don't know how to assess them at this point. I would like to see more from them so I can get a better read.
10. Seroja - Town. She caught the slip from glow, and whilst it could be argued that Mafia!Seroja might have spotted that and played it out the same way, I think that's not realistically a possibility. Everything from her reads Town, and if she's somehow not then.. well, GG Seroja coz Mafia will win for sure in that case
11. glow - Lyncher. Damn she's good.
12. Runeraider - Doctor. What happened? Could he not protect himself??
13. Dedenne2 - null. Nothing has been wrong with their content, in fact I liked their reads in particular. But I need to see more from them so I can make a better read.
14. PandaDarling - null. I know you're super-busy, but if you're Town, we need you! If your Mafia.. could you maybe just tell us? Please??
15. ITookYourWaffles - Townie
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Evan could be working with Panda and bussing her in post # 815 but I don't know why he'd feel a need to as Mafia at this point.. hmm.
1. Amazonevan19 - null/slight scum lean now. The way they've been continually referring to my posts as scummy etc but haven't asked me any questions or otherwise interacted with me - despite apparently feeling strongly enough about their read to want my lynch is concerning to me. Idc about being scum read, particularly when I can see the rationale, but I'm finding it difficult to see the motivation for Town!Evan behind their push on me. Their push on Seroja was direct and, frankly, clumsily done - I read them as Town during that whole saga. Those are the main things I've noticed involving them so far, and the TR from the latter is currently outweighed only slightly by how puzzling their approach to reading me has been (and yes, I'm aware I could be over-reacting, hence I'm putting this info here so people can tell me if they think I'm way off base or missing something, etc).
2. Vampnessa - Watcher one of the best Town contributors, gone too soon dammit
3. PunchyDaHufflepuff - Town more now than ever. I wavered slightly reading a couple of their posts from EoD 1 in ISO, but, in context, they make sense for Town!Punchy given the situation and the stress they'd be under with being so close to being lynched. My read was further consolidated by their conduct after the Night phase.. with Town being at a clear disadvantage now, their alternate resignation to being MLd (in order to gain info for Town) vs random inclination to fight to stay alive (and therefore keep Town numbers up, and hopefully find actual Mafia) makes sense to me. I would like to see more Pro-Town content from them before EoD, regardless of who is lynched though.
4. Toadsworthy - slight Town Lean. Possibly should be just a Town Lean rather than "slightly" as I just do not think he'd be able to be so (relatively) calm if he was Mafia!Toads. My only concern is that I've not seen him as actively trying to find Mafia as I would expect from Town!Toads - this could be explained by RL stuff, but he's not one of my top Town Reads for now.
5. Farobi - slight Town Lean now. The initial posts of their's with Runeraider had me wondering if they might both be Mafia as there were a couple of things that struck me as odd/not quite Town at the time. Runeraider flipping Town doesn't mean Farobi is also Town, but I would have expected Mafia!Farobi to try and minimise their random (and frankly suspicious) mention of 3rd Party in post # 11 by claiming they'd only been commenting on the flavour text Ness had just put up, or they'd just re-read their win/con or something. Instead, they explained a line of thinking in post # 47 that both made sense and seemed like a natural progression of Town!Farobi trying to figure things out. I'm wary of the repeated comments I've seen that quite Farobi = scummy Farobi, but for now I'm not seeing anything them as anything other than Town.
6. Amanda1983 - Town.
7. Locket - slight Town Lean what I've seen from them has been fine, including their defence of their reads which in context just seemed like they were self-conscious their reads were not as detailed/fully fleshed out as those from some other players. I would like to see more from so I can get a better read.
8. Antonio - Town. If this wasn't their first game they'd have dropped right down to a 'slight scumlean' as a result of some of their more random posts. That said, the actual content that deals with the game itself still screams 'new Town player' in a way that would be remarkable to imitate, and I can see their logic behind their reads in post # 784. It's not great logic, but it absolutely makes sense for a new player and is an impressive contribution from them.
9. Biancasbotque - null. I keep going back and forth on this one. On the one hand, there have been some posts that a Mafia player, particularly one who is already seen as random in general, wouldn't necessarily bother to post. But I haven't seen anything that specifically raises a red flag. I just don't know how to assess them at this point. I would like to see more from them so I can get a better read.
10. Seroja - Town. She caught the slip from glow, and whilst it could be argued that Mafia!Seroja might have spotted that and played it out the same way, I think that's not realistically a possibility. Everything from her reads Town, and if she's somehow not then.. well, GG Seroja coz Mafia will win for sure in that case
11. glow - Lyncher. Damn she's good.
12. Runeraider - Doctor. What happened? Could he not protect himself??
13. Dedenne2 - null. Nothing has been wrong with their content, in fact I liked their reads in particular. But I need to see more from them so I can make a better read.
14. PandaDarling - null. I know you're super-busy, but if you're Town, we need you! If your Mafia.. could you maybe just tell us? Please??
15. ITookYourWaffles - Townie
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Evan could be working with Panda and bussing her in post # 815 but I don't know why he'd feel a need to as Mafia at this point.. hmm.
toadsworthy
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amanda you have one scum lean.....
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Punchy, on top of the other question I asked, who would you consider to be "inactive"
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Punchy, on top of the other question I asked, who would you consider to be "inactive"
amanda1983
Senior Member
Who is this post to?
Ya. That's just how they turned out. So unless the other Mafia are in my nulls, I've clearly got at least one person as a Town Read (however slight) rn who isn't Town.
Well, hopefully y'all are right and the Punchy lynch yields us valuable info to determine Mafia by PoE.
amazonevan19
DLELELEWOOOOP
k so I have a lot of problems with Amanda's reads list
- After all of this time, why am I her O.N.L.Y. scum lean in her ENTIRE list? Obvious OMGUS is obvious? And her read is incredibly wishy-washy. Pretty much boils down to "Evan SR'd me, and he's never talked to me, so I don't like that, but I TR'd him cuz Seroja now idk." Her read on me is the definition of why I am having major issues with her posts - they are flufftacular, wishy-washy soapbox stands which don't actually contribute much significant content for all of their words. Amanda, I haven't interacted with you because frankly, I haven't felt it necessary to direct anything towards you when I doubt I'll ever get a straight answer or anything of worth in reply. This goes beyond IRL busyness. You're only here to make appearances and defend your teammates - that's it.
- Why does she feel it necessary to put dead/removed players in the reads? It makes no sense and honestly looks like adding fluff to the reads to me
- Lolol "Amanda1983 - town" don't put yourself in reads lists except as a joke; the fact she put herself here is really weird. Maybe she just has a thorough personality? Idk it rubs me the wrong way.
- The Locket read ends off with "I need to see more to make a better read" - which is exactly what she says for her nulls. Either she (a) forgot to change Locket to null or (b) are not too concerned with who they TR and null, which is easy for scum to do since they know who's who.
-Her farobi read is "slight town lean," but ends off with "I cannot see him as anything other than town." That is not what a "slight" townlean sounds like to me, folks. Again indicates to me that she's not really caring who she town and scum leans.
Now maybe I'm being a bit picky in the last two critiques, but I think that everything put together paints a very scummy picture for Amanda. Someone who says a bunch of things to appear helpful, but is really only making sure her teammates get townread. Her reads are incredibly self-seeking - townreading or nulling everyone but yours truly to make sure no one is pissed off. You speculate a on "eh maybe these guys could be mafia but nah gonna townlean them." Lol. I have not seen a better example of a milktoast mafia reads than Amanda's reads right here.
Please lynch Amanda next day phase. If I'm not alive, I ask you do so in my memory; and if I'm still here, I will definitely be instavoting her with no reservations. Either she's hardcore protecting scum Punchy, or hard townreading town Punchy to make herself look good ~3 hours before the flip.
- After all of this time, why am I her O.N.L.Y. scum lean in her ENTIRE list? Obvious OMGUS is obvious? And her read is incredibly wishy-washy. Pretty much boils down to "Evan SR'd me, and he's never talked to me, so I don't like that, but I TR'd him cuz Seroja now idk." Her read on me is the definition of why I am having major issues with her posts - they are flufftacular, wishy-washy soapbox stands which don't actually contribute much significant content for all of their words. Amanda, I haven't interacted with you because frankly, I haven't felt it necessary to direct anything towards you when I doubt I'll ever get a straight answer or anything of worth in reply. This goes beyond IRL busyness. You're only here to make appearances and defend your teammates - that's it.
- Why does she feel it necessary to put dead/removed players in the reads? It makes no sense and honestly looks like adding fluff to the reads to me
- Lolol "Amanda1983 - town" don't put yourself in reads lists except as a joke; the fact she put herself here is really weird. Maybe she just has a thorough personality? Idk it rubs me the wrong way.
- The Locket read ends off with "I need to see more to make a better read" - which is exactly what she says for her nulls. Either she (a) forgot to change Locket to null or (b) are not too concerned with who they TR and null, which is easy for scum to do since they know who's who.
-Her farobi read is "slight town lean," but ends off with "I cannot see him as anything other than town." That is not what a "slight" townlean sounds like to me, folks. Again indicates to me that she's not really caring who she town and scum leans.
Now maybe I'm being a bit picky in the last two critiques, but I think that everything put together paints a very scummy picture for Amanda. Someone who says a bunch of things to appear helpful, but is really only making sure her teammates get townread. Her reads are incredibly self-seeking - townreading or nulling everyone but yours truly to make sure no one is pissed off. You speculate a on "eh maybe these guys could be mafia but nah gonna townlean them." Lol. I have not seen a better example of a milktoast mafia reads than Amanda's reads right here.
Please lynch Amanda next day phase. If I'm not alive, I ask you do so in my memory; and if I'm still here, I will definitely be instavoting her with no reservations. Either she's hardcore protecting scum Punchy, or hard townreading town Punchy to make herself look good ~3 hours before the flip.
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