Mafia The Murder of Woodpines Oregon - Game Thread - Endgame

[Antonio]

Antonio/Dedenne link?

Neither have been all that active. All the sudden, Antonio started to post more in-depth reads. Also, both have been in the double voter quotes.

They could be talking in their quicktopic mainly.
Also, Antonio has generally avoided Dedenne, whilst Dedenne has called Antonio a "strong town."

I have only made claims for people who I believed were mafia (which doesn't include dedenne2) which doesn't include towns/nulls and the only reason why I started making in-depth posts because someone called me out for not sharing my reads so I did. Plus, everyone was on the punchy ban wagon including toad who shares the same votes as the double poster aswell!

That being said, I still think that locket is scum. I also don't believe a mafia member would be inactive. Wouldn't you rather be active and make people think you are townie rather then be quiet and people accusing you of being scum?


What we should do is list our top 3 people who maybe be considered scum and total them up.

 

[Locket]

I have only made claims for people who I believed were mafia (which doesn't include dedenne2) which doesn't include towns/nulls and the only reason why I started making in-depth posts because someone called me out for not sharing my reads so I did. Plus, everyone was on the punchy ban wagon including toad who shares the same votes as the double poster aswell!

That being said, I still think that locket is scum. I also don't believe a mafia member would be inactive. Wouldn't you rather be active and make people think you are townie rather then be quiet and people accusing you of being scum?


What we should do is list our top 3 people who maybe be considered scum and total them up.

Many Mafia go inactive because they can't handle the fact they are Mafia. If you look at American Politics, Hikari ended up going inactive.

I don't think a scum could pull off JoaT unless they were godfather tier (like Dolby for example.)

Is there any other reasons you think I'm scum?

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Also: What's your opinion of Dedenne?

 

[dedenne]

There's stuff like the double vote.

If you look at my two posts about the double vote you could see my reasoning other than inactivity.

What if the double vote was from town? What if someone really wanted punchy to be lynched, so double voted?

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Holy **** that was fast antonio

 

[Locket]

What if the double vote was from town? What if someone really wanted punchy to be lynched, so double voted?

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Holy **** that was fast antonio

With how many blue roles we have? JoaT? There is no way the double voter is town.

If the voter was town, I'd like it if they'd claim. With me claiming though, I don't think that would be very smart.

 

[dedenne]

Ok, I'm Lt. Phillip Oswald, doublevoter. I win once all threats to town have been eliminated.

 

[Locket]

@Dedenne & Antonio: What are your opinions on each other?

 

[dedenne]

@Locket, I put that in my reads list, but he's null right now.

 

[Antonio]

Many Mafia go inactive because they can't handle the fact they are Mafia. If you look at American Politics, Hikari ended up going inactive.

I don't think a scum could pull off JoaT unless they were godfather tier (like Dolby for example.)

Is there any other reasons you think I'm scum?

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Also: What's your opinion of Dedenne?

Ok, but that is just one person out of the game, not the entire mafia crew. Since someone already did it, especially in the last mafia, wouldn't it be wise to be active to people so people don't assume you are mafia which is what everyone is doing at the moment. Assuming inactives are scum, I mean.

The reason why I think you are scum is due to my previous statements about you (look it up) which really hasn't changed since then. Prove me wrong and tell me why I shouldn't think you are scum, ok?

I believe it will be more wise to look at the people who are active rather than inactive. This is our last chance for our town to win, wouldn't you rather vote someone who we have evidence on rather than pick someone who hasn't said **** this entire game where we can't get an 100% accurate read on. This is why I suggest we list our top 3 scums. I rather go out logically rather than assume someone who isn't active is mafia. Maybe we should try to do that the next time around, if we make it of course.

My reads on dedenne is null, fyi.

 

[Locket]

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Look, the inactives are most likely to be modkilled. That's why you leave them alone if they've been super inactive (ex. Panda)

I'm not saying that all Mafia go inactive, but there is almost always one that does go inactive.

Why you shouldn't think I'm scum? I wouldn't be able to pull off a JoaT claim. I want you to go through my posts after I claimed, then show me any quotes you think are scummy from me.

Also, I'd like you to do some reads on all alive players.

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With how many roles town has, I don't see why double voter would be beneficial to town.

We have/had Watcher, Doctor, and JoaT so far.

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Dedenne - For reasons I have stated before, I still think there is scum in Dedenne. Why would a double vote role be beneficial to town when there's all sorts of blues?

Antonio - Once again, I have stated reasons before. It's kinda strange that Antonio has started to get all involved with the game suddenly.

Panda - One of my scum. Honestly I'm not even gonna bother lynching her though because modkill.

Amanda - Amanda is still my strongest. She and Toads were really helpful to me.

Toads - Isn't as strong as Amanda, but is pretty high. Very helpful to me (as stated above.) I don't see him as scum. I don't think he's playing as scum Toads.

Bianca - Town lean. She's not playing as scum Bianca, and she seems a little helpful.

Farobi - Slight town lean. I'm not too sure on Farobi's alignment. I don't feel like he's scum though.


I do feel that scum is in one of those three. We can wait for Panda to be modkilled.

 

[Antonio]

Welp, accidentally clicked on my long post that I was writing, opps. xD This is only why I'm active when I have access to a computer (Laptop broke, only got a school computer). Since I don't feel like retype the whole thing over again (I got stuff to do like cleaning and personal agenda), here is what I posted:

- I don't have the time to get all my quotes about you locket, because of my stupid mobile phone. Stop conterstriking my question and answer it! Why should think you are scum? Tell me why.
- My reads are Locket is scum, Toads and dedenne2 is null, Amanda+Panda+Ferobi is scum lean, everyone else is Town/Town lean. Don't have time to rewrite the explanations, expect for locket.
- Locket, didn't you refer me as town before? Why are you coming after me and dedenne2 with obscure claims, especially Toadsworthy fits the description (double voter voted for the same person) perfectly? Are you protecting him? I didn't even know/realized there was a double vote thing till y'all pointed it out. I really skipped to the results.

I'll probably be back 1-2 hours before the vote is final, maybe sooner. I have to go clean now.

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clicked cancel *^

 

[PandaDarling]

I am way too busy for this game... I am so sorry... If you have any questions I?ll try to answer them but I?m screwed on time.

 

[amanda1983]

I am way too busy for this game... I am so sorry... If you have any questions I’ll try to answer them but I’m screwed on time.

Panda have you read the stuff Locket bought up about the double voter? Post #991 covers it well I think.

What do you think of Dedenne2 and Antonio?

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And please please tell me that vote on yourself was a placeholder so you can't be mod-killed, but you fully intend to come back and place a real vote before EoD???

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If you're Town, and you leave that vote there, we're sunk, just FYI.

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... are you Mafia Panda?

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- My reads are Locket is scum, Toads and dedenne2 is null, Amanda+Panda+Ferobi is scum lean, everyone else is Town/Town lean. Don't have time to rewrite the explanations, expect for locket.
- Locket, didn't you refer me as town before? Why are you coming after me and dedenne2 with obscure claims, especially Toadsworthy fits the description (double voter voted for the same person) perfectly? Are you protecting him? I didn't even know/realized there was a double vote thing till y'all pointed it out. I really skipped to the results.

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Soooo from the 8 remaining players, you have precisely one Town/ Town Lean, besides (I presume) yourself? Bianca is the only other player you think might be Town with you? For real?? I don't recall you expressing any strong Town/Town Lean read of Bianca before now, can you explain what happened?

You put Locket as scum, and myself as "scum lean", yet before Evan was NKd (N2), you promised to lynch me for them due to you being convinced I was scum.. I see (but utterly and completely disagree with) your reasoning for the sus on Locket. But what happened to your much more documented suspicion of me???

Finally, the double voting thing is not obscure, it's actually really important as rn it can literally make the difference between Town losing or being able survive another day (to maybe still lose, but let's get through the current problem first). Locket has explained her reasoning for her sus of you + Dedenne2, and in post #991 she explains why she doesn't think it's Toads. Did you miss that?

Also, I can totally see how you didn't notice the "secret extra vote" in the vote tallies. But I'm confused how you've missed every mention of it in-game? It's been part of the discussion at various points since the results from N1, when we had the results of the lynch (and some of us saw the extra vote in the tally).

When did you find out about the double vote thing?

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Antonio, why is Panda a Scum Lean for you?

 

[toadsworthy]

I don't think panda is scum.... tbh, she would know better as mafia

 

[Antonio]

Panda have you read the stuff Locket bought up about the double voter? Post #991 covers it well I think.

What do you think of Dedenne2 and Antonio?

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And please please tell me that vote on yourself was a placeholder so you can't be mod-killed, but you fully intend to come back and place a real vote before EoD???

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If you're Town, and you leave that vote there, we're sunk, just FYI.

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... are you Mafia Panda?

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Soooo from the 8 remaining players, you have precisely one Town/ Town Lean, besides (I presume) yourself? Bianca is the only other player you think might be Town with you? For real?? I don't recall you expressing any strong Town/Town Lean read of Bianca before now, can you explain what happened?

You put Locket as scum, and myself as "scum lean", yet before Evan was NKd (N2), you promised to lynch me for them due to you being convinced I was scum.. I see (but utterly and completely disagree with) your reasoning for the sus on Locket. But what happened to your much more documented suspicion of me???

Finally, the double voting thing is not obscure, it's actually really important as rn it can literally make the difference between Town losing or being able survive another day (to maybe still lose, but let's get through the current problem first). Locket has explained her reasoning for her sus of you + Dedenne2, and in post #991 she explains why she doesn't think it's Toads. Did you miss that?

Also, I can totally see how you didn't notice the "secret extra vote" in the vote tallies. But I'm confused how you've missed every mention of it in-game? It's been part of the discussion at various points since the results from N1, when we had the results of the lynch (and some of us saw the extra vote in the tally).

When did you find out about the double vote thing?

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Antonio, why is Panda a Scum Lean for you?

Out of all the 8 players, I personally agree that at least 1 person is 100% scum, Locket. The scum leans are people who I believe are 75% scum (null is 50:50, town lean is 75:25, you get it). That includes you three, including yourself. So, did you even read my post or just skimmed it?

I described 3 people who I believed were the scummiest, with you reaching #3 number slot. I described you as sort of scum, not fully scum. I voted for punchy the first two times around because he was number #1 on my who is mafia tracker. Locket is 2nd and hasn't done anything to change my mind. Toad might be third now, the way you guys are defending him but is still null in my book. And trust me, you are still on my radar but suspicion is totally there, just not number #1 on my radar.

In post #991, locket just states that Toad is a townie and goes on about me and dedenne2, for the second time. She doesn't state why or any reasons why toad is townie but goes hard on me and dedenne2 all of a sudden. She said this about toad: "like i said: i don't think toads is scum". No explanation! Of course, if she explained why about toad like she went on about us, I wouldn't be worried about her anymore. She keeps on replying when people talking about lynching toad, so she's obviously protecting him (check the last page). Toad still share the same vote.

About the double post, I didn't realize till yesterday (Maybe Thursday, I'm clueless xD). I usually read the bolded text to see who got lynced. I'm a busy dude and I have been worried that I miss something so I have been keeping up with this thread, I really haven't looked into the vote thread. I apologize, it's my first game. I do read and is currently caught up.

That being said, I think the current mafias are Locket, Amanda, and Toad. Of course, I could be wrong but I think we should look into them before the end of the day. I haven't seen much argument about them during day 3. What do you guys think?

Seems we got less than 3 hours

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^Probably should have reread it before sending. I can barely type xD

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Opps, forgot something. Panda is scum lean due to being not that active. Very suspicious.

 

[Biancasbotique]

So let's lynch Panda or Farobi?

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Dedenne just claimed blue as double voter iirc?

 

[amanda1983]

Out of all the 8 players, I personally agree that at least 1 person is 100% scum, Locket. The scum leans are people who I believe are 75% scum (null is 50:50, town lean is 75:25, you get it). That includes you three, including yourself. So, did you even read my post or just skimmed it?

I described 3 people who I believed were the scummiest, with you reaching #3 number slot. I described you as sort of scum, not fully scum. I voted for punchy the first two times around because he was number #1 on my who is mafia tracker. Locket is 2nd and hasn't done anything to change my mind. Toad might be third now, the way you guys are defending him but is still null in my book. And trust me, you are still on my radar but suspicion is totally there, just not number #1 on my radar.

In post #991, locket just states that Toad is a townie and goes on about me and dedenne2, for the second time. She doesn't state why or any reasons why toad is townie but goes hard on me and dedenne2 all of a sudden. She said this about toad: "like i said: i don't think toads is scum". No explanation! Of course, if she explained why about toad like she went on about us, I wouldn't be worried about her anymore. She keeps on replying when people talking about lynching toad, so she's obviously protecting him (check the last page). Toad still share the same vote.

About the double post, I didn't realize till yesterday (Maybe Thursday, I'm clueless xD). I usually read the bolded text to see who got lynced. I'm a busy dude and I have been worried that I miss something so I have been keeping up with this thread, I really haven't looked into the vote thread. I apologize, it's my first game. I do read and is currently caught up.

That being said, I think the current mafias are Locket, Amanda, and Toad. Of course, I could be wrong but I think we should look into them before the end of the day. I haven't seen much argument about them during day 3. What do you guys think?

Seems we got less than 3 hours

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^Probably should have reread it before sending. I can barely type xD

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Opps, forgot something. Panda is scum lean due to being not that active. Very suspicious.

Oh I most definitely read your post, repeatedly, and went back to check a couple details, too. I would have anyway, given I needed info from you (and thanks for the thorough reply so I can see more of your thought processes behind your reads). But we haven't exactly been overwhelmed with posts recently, and we're running out of time to act.

And I apologise as I only realised I must've lost a small chunk during editing/formatting without noticing, when reading your response. it should have read :

Locket has explained her reasoning for her sus of you + Dedenne2 (post #991), which combined with the Locket's reads post #971 explains why she doesn't think it's Toads.

I'll add further to ^ by clarifying that one reason for ruling Toads out of being contention of being the double voter is that he just would not play that role, as Town, this way. He's one who raised the likelihood of it being a Mafia role, more than once! He'd know we'd do a PoE on the vote count at some point and theres no motivation for him to have handicapped his ability to role claim if he was Town!Toads and had the double vote role. And as Mafia to be in the spotlight by noting the role multiple times would be risky and pretty out-there in terms of strategy.. and this is not a game that Mafia would have had to go to that kind of extreme "last chance" kind of thinking - and certainly not back when he was talking about it!

Hence, it's not him. Whether he's Town or not.

I do think he's Town. But at this point I'm not sure it matters even if he's actually Mafia (which I highly doubt).

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RE Panda - TBH, Panda being so inactive is not indicative of alignment one way or another. I've seen her be inactive as both Town and Mafia, as she's often busy at short notice IRL.

Given her self-vote, in this game of all games, I'm more inclined to think she's Town than Mafia. But even if she's Mafia, she doesn't have the double vote, and we need to lynch the double voter if they're Mafia, or else we just lose during the next day phase anyway with Mafia having an extra vote.

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So let's lynch Panda or Farobi?

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Dedenne just claimed blue as double voter iirc?

Hmm. What do you make of the claim Bianca?

 

[Biancasbotique]

Oh I most definitely read your post, repeatedly, and went back to check a couple details, too. I would have anyway, given I needed info from you (and thanks for the thorough reply so I can see more of your thought processes behind your reads). But we haven't exactly been overwhelmed with posts recently, and we're running out of time to act.

And I apologise as I only realised I must've lost a small chunk during editing/formatting without noticing, when reading your response. it should have read :

Locket has explained her reasoning for her sus of you + Dedenne2 (post #991), which combined with the Locket's reads post #971 explains why she doesn't think it's Toads.

I'll add further to ^ by clarifying that one reason for ruling Toads out of being contention of being the double voter is that he just would not play that role, as Town, this way. He's one who raised the likelihood of it being a Mafia role, more than once! He'd know we'd do a PoE on the vote count at some point and theres no motivation for him to have handicapped his ability to role claim if he was Town!Toads and had the double vote role. And as Mafia to be in the spotlight by noting the role multiple times would be risky and pretty out-there in terms of strategy.. and this is not a game that Mafia would have had to go to that kind of extreme "last chance" kind of thinking - and certainly not back when he was talking about it!

Hence, it's not him. Whether he's Town or not.

I do think he's Town. But at this point I'm not sure it matters even if he's actually Mafia (which I highly doubt).

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RE Panda - TBH, Panda being so inactive is not indicative of alignment one way or another. I've seen her be inactive as both Town and Mafia, as she's often busy at short notice IRL.

Given her self-vote, in this game of all games, I'm more inclined to think she's Town than Mafia. But even if she's Mafia, she doesn't have the double vote, and we need to lynch the double voter if they're Mafia, or else we just lose during the next day phase anyway with Mafia having an extra vote.

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Hmm. What do you make of the claim Bianca?

we will see what happens during lynch time. Right now, she voted for Farobi. there were two votes , me and you . I voted for Antonio right now. What would be your move? do you want me to vote someone else because there are possibilities to vote out if we vote for the same person.

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We can either vote out Farobi by voting everyone else or we can do a blitz on Dedenne if we think she is very scummy.

So the choice right now is Farobi or Dedenne..

 

[Locket]

So the choice right now is Farobi or Dedenne..

Let's take Dedenne for this one. She claimed to be double voter.

 

[amanda1983]

Well I guess I'm gonna be lynched today *sigh*
I do agree with locket that toads isn't scum, if he's scum I'll be really shocked.
Also good point about panda getting MKed...

I m i g h t place my vote on Farobi but then I'd be called out for OMGUS. But I never really thought he was town:shrugs:

I've never played as mafia. I'm not mafia. My defense...
Honestly I have none. I've been so inactive. Why do you think I'm mafia other than inactivity?

we will see what happens during lynch time. Right now, she voted for Farobi. there were two votes , me and you . I voted for Antonio right now. What would be your move? do you want me to vote someone else because there are possibilities to vote out if we vote for the same person.

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We can either vote out Farobi by voting everyone else or we can do a blitz on Dedenne if we think she is very scummy.

So the choice right now is Farobi or Dedenne..

I just am struggling to see the Town motivation behind that initial response. No claim until several posts later, when if they're Town and have that role, they'd be the ONLY one who'd know for sure Town has that extra vote AND that it's Dedenne2 (Mafia would know the first bit not the second detail yet).

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Let's take Dedenne for this one. She claimed to be double voter.

Ya, that's where I'm coming down. I was tossing up between Antonio and Dedenne2 before I saw the claim. I wish we had more time to really think about this but, we've got to decide now, so, better to go with the likely Mafia double voter in my opinion. Idc who the others are for this lynch, we can worry about that step if when - if - we get to it.

 

[Locket]

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I am sorry, but after all that happened N2, you literally think I'm scum? Out of all people?

Toads and Amanda were both really helpful and helped me with my decisions. This is why I'm backing them up. They are the most town so far.

This post pretty much screams "scum!" to me.