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This is the official feedback thread, where you can share your suggestions, ideas, and constructive criticism for The Bell Tree. Receiving feedback is important for any community! We will read and consider every piece of feedback posted here, but we may not write an official response to everything. If you're looking for an answer to a question, please use the Information Desk thread instead.

When leaving feedback, please be sure it's:
  • Constructive, not just critical.
  • Understanding and cooperative, not accusatory.
  • Respectful to other community members, including the staff.
  • Specific, with examples if applicable.
Feel free to discuss and share your own opinions about suggestions left by other users. However, there is not always one correct way to approach a topic, so please refrain from arguing too passionately over conflicting ideas. Also, please be aware that many suggestions may be difficult to implement due to technical, manpower, or other limitations. Even if we agree with your feedback, it may take a long time to implement if at all, but our ultimate goal is to continuously improve the site for as long as it exists. By working together and sharing ideas as a community, we can make TBT even better!
 
The creation of this thread was inspired by your posts in a recent thread where many of you left feedback about various topics. This new thread will work better as a permanent place to receive and discuss feedback. The staff have spent this past week discussing how we can address some of your suggestions, so we'll post our responses broken into several categories. Order/timeline of these responses TBD:
  • Feedback and communicating with staff
  • Collectibles market
  • AI images on TBT
  • Hateful content and controversial content
  • Repeat winners and competitiveness
  • Event rules
  • Site staff
  • Miscellaneous


Our first topic from the thread, feedback, has been summarized into five topics.

Create an official feedback thread similar to the Information Desk
As you can see, we agreed with this idea. Here it is!

Told not to give feedback during an event
Going forward, we'll welcome feedback to be shared at any time. In this particular case, it seems there were issues with criticism and arguments mixing into the goings-on of the event, which caused some of it to be missed. This new thread will help keep the feedback organized into a dedicated place where it will be easier to track. Giving feedback privately should also be an option at any time, and I'll talk about that a bit more in the CTS response below.

No response to reports
TBT moderators have never messaged reportees, which is due to a few different reasons, such as privacy for the users involved, the complexities of certain situations, and the time it takes to handle each report. However, we are open to discussing reports through the private Contact the Staff board, as long as it's information that can be shared.

For those of you who would like to see an automatic response to every report, we're interested in hearing more about the kind of information you would like to see. Are you looking for a simple confirmation that we've reviewed the report or something more? With the forum software's current capabilities, it's certainly a lot easier to have detailed discussions in the CTS board, which leads to our next topic.

Lack of response in CTS
Contact the Staff (CTS) is a board for users to talk to the staff privately whether they have a question about a warning, an issue with another user, or even private feedback. Some members mentioned that they never received a response to their threads, and this is something we would like to improve. Since the beginning of 2024, staff have replied to 82% of CTS threads, so while this isn't horrible, it goes to show that we could be doing better. The reason this happens is often due to threads getting buried while the staff's attention is directed elsewhere, like an event.

To help improve our responses in CTS, we'll do the following:
  • Create a separate board for collectible date changes from events, which often bury other threads.
  • Potentially split private feedback into its own board - we're still considering this.
  • Add more prefixes, such as "Under Review" and "Feedback Considered" to help communicate that the thread has been read while we review/consider the situation before posting a response.
  • Work on a system to increase the visibility of threads posted to the board for the staff.
  • Revisit threads from the last year or two and reply to those that we haven't posted in.

Mini-modding and users "getting infractions for helping newcomers by redirecting them to the correct forum"
While we don't allow mini-modding, it's not a punishable offense unless it's severely abused. The forum's warning system is the easiest way for us to send and track messages about the rules, which is why these show in the same place. However, these "warnings" are all titled as "reminders" and are worth 0 points. One of the reasons we prefer users to report misplaced threads over posting a correction is that it often encourages the user to recreate the thread. When it's reported instead, we're able to move it. While we don't see this as a big deal, I understand some users don't like to receive anything under the guise of a "warning."

We are considering how we can make this even clearer. In place of these reminders, we have started deleting posts with an alert explaining the reason to the user. We plan to use this even more once we iron out some details about how it works on our end.



In the first post of this thread, we included some guidelines about leaving feedback. Since our first topic is about feedback itself, now is a good time to elaborate on these guidelines and their purpose:
  • Constructive, not just critical. While criticism is welcome, we would like the feedback we receive to be actionable when possible. You are free to be critical in your feedback, but the most helpful suggestions explain what you would like to see changed or how you would prefer things to be handled.
  • Understanding and cooperative, not accusatory. Feedback is better received when it's not framed in an accusatory manner. The staff team consists of experienced people who want to improve TBT wherever possible. At the same time, any team of humans is bound to be imperfect. The community as a whole shares the common goal of making TBT even better, so let's work together to achieve it as best we can.
  • Respectful to other community members, including the staff. Disagreeing about feedback or responses to feedback is fine, but it should be done respectfully. Most members want what's best for the community, even if what that means may not look the same to different people. If you believe someone's feedback is disrespectful, please help make us aware by reporting it.
  • Specific, with examples if applicable. Since we don't always have the same context as members, it may not always be clear what situation or area of concern is being referred to without an explicit explanation. If you feel the specific issue is something that shouldn't be discussed publicly, private feedback can be left using the Contact the Staff board.
We would also like members to keep the following in mind when presenting feedback and reading our responses to feedback:
  • Sometimes there is a mismatch in information between members and staff. The staff often have information and internal discussions that cannot be shared with members, and, on the opposite end, members may be aware of information and context that was either not brought to our attention or was buried.
  • Some topics are more nuanced than others and don't have one "right" way to address them. This may be due to information that is not visible or due to other factors that we have to take into consideration. Sometimes, how we address a situation may only seem suboptimal due to factors we are unable to disclose, but we also recognize that our staff team is only human and therefore capable of making mistakes. There will always be cases in which the "right" course of action may be subjective, but we always discuss these matters as a full team to ensure they're handled appropriately and fairly.
Though there isn't much that can be done regarding these facts, which can often lead to frustrations from both the user and staff perspective, we would like to encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt when possible as we try to do the same.


Thanks for reading our first response! Feel free to post any additional questions or comments.
 
Thank you so much Jeremy and staff for taking the time to look at our posts and taking the time to start addressing some of our concerns and feedback 🙂.

I want to say that in the past, I’ve been hesitant to approach staff about both small concerns and more serious concerns. I have to say as silly as this sounds that I’ve always found staff to be intimidating and most of the time I’m worried that even expressing concern about something will get me in trouble. This isn’t anyone’s fault; it isn’t just tbt where I feel intimidated by mods. As mentioned in the other thread by others and myself, I think part of it is because of the lack of consistent or frequent interaction between staff and members, and also the different time zones and that you all have your own lives outside of the forum too.

I really appreciate how much staff already does for the site, and I understand that it might be extremely difficult for some or all of you to invest more time. I don’t personally expect interaction all the time, but I think more interaction and maybe more staff would help members be more comfortable about reaching out rather than bottling problems and then the problems getting out of hand in certain threads.

Personally, I’ve been starting to feel a little more comfortable with a few staff members thanks to the game sessions and also because of positive interaction recently or fairly recently with a few others. I would very much like to trust staff even more with both minor concerns and more serious ones.

As I suggested in the prior thread, if there was a way to have some events or mini-events where staff participates or interacts with members more — while not making much more extra work for you all for this happen, maybe consider something like this? I say the last point because event wise I know you all go above and beyond for us; I want staff to have fun too and not give them extra work with this suggestion. Interaction to me can be replying to chat, banter, reacting, posting some staff “entries” that either don’t count like you’ve all done in the past or have a staff category where staff members compete with other staff and maybe have members vote? These are just rough suggestions.
 
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Thanks for making the thread, I can see this being helpful in the future.
Especially seeing that there has been repeated arguments/instances where past event rules don't match with current event rules. Or even just for minor things!

I've made CTS threads about small things that I would rather not have made a CTS thread about like-
"Suggestion(s) for the "Inventory" feature", "There should be a toggle to not receive gifts from people", "Please keep the Fortunate and Unfortunate mushrooms- they're so cute", "Allowing princess runs for Salmon Run events....." and so on..
I've been meaning to make more CTS threads for other suggestions but just haven't had the time. So thank you, this feedback thread will not only be useful and feel less daunting for users, it'll help not gunk up the CTS board for the staff.

Add more prefixes, such as "Under Review" and "Feedback Considered" to help communicate that the thread has been read while we review/consider the situation before posting a response.
This is a nice idea.

Also I'm confused what the OG post means by
No response to reports
Is this talking about the reports made via the "Report" button? Or about the warning system?
 
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as I previously mentioned in another thread, I do hope there's improvements in events especially when the winners were sorted in separate categories. Also, an improvement on collectible inventories where inactive purchases should be easier to browse with individual pages or have tags for collectibles.

Also, suggesting profile banners if possible, but I won't hold on to that.

also, copied from the previous thread:
  1. Make more engaging Events: tbt neighborly games proves that tbt can make more engaging events for everyone, and I would like to see more events that basically welcomes more users regardless of skill level to participate. (multiplayer, etc.)
  2. Active and inactive collectible inventory needed an easier way of organization: This might be just me, but I can get tired of scrolling down inactive inventory just to get to the second page of the inventory. One fix is to present an equal amount of collectibles shown in each page without making the inactive collectible page longer than active or have a tag system for collectibles in which we can narrow down what collectible we are looking for. But then again, suggesting a "saved lineup presets" is ridiculous and impossible to program on an old web site engine.
  3. It needs more reactions: This might sound silly but can we have a reaction of agreement or 💯?
Thank you for the feedback thread!
 
Regarding no response to reports: I personally don't have an issue with not getting a response to every report but it would be helpful to know when no action was taken and the reasoning behind it. I know I've asked myself/my friends "How isn't that against the rules?" and "How is that allowed?" often enough.
 
as I previously mentioned in another thread, I do hope there's improvements in events especially when the winners were sorted in separate categories. Also, an improvement on collectible inventories where inactive purchases should be easier to browse with individual pages or have tags for collectibles.

Also, suggesting profile banners if possible, but I won't hold on to that.

also, copied from the previous thread:
  1. Make more engaging Events: tbt neighborly games proves that tbt can make more engaging events for everyone, and I would like to see more events that basically welcomes more users regardless of skill level to participate. (multiplayer, etc.)
  2. Active and inactive collectible inventory needed an easier way of organization: This might be just me, but I can get tired of scrolling down inactive inventory just to get to the second page of the inventory. One fix is to present an equal amount of collectibles shown in each page without making the inactive collectible page longer than active or have a tag system for collectibles in which we can narrow down what collectible we are looking for. But then again, suggesting a "saved lineup presets" is ridiculous and impossible to program on an old web site engine.
  3. It needs more reactions: This might sound silly but can we have a reaction of agreement or 💯?
Thank you for the feedback thread!

I agree with your suggestions except maybe the reactions. Right now there has been something concerning me about the reactions.

I know most of us use the reactions to show we like, agree or sympathize with a post. But sometimes, there are cases where it isn’t clear why there is a specific reaction on a post like a celebrate post on a post about someone being sick (just a random example); misclicks do happen ofc!

Reactions that I would NOT like: laughing, thumbs up/down, upvote/downvote, since I could see these being abused or used with good intentions but misinterpreted.

Some reactions we had in the past sounded a lot of fun like the space whale and bonk reaction that I’m sad I missed out on. I did see one case of a bonk reaction used in a situation where someone was feeling down; I think they meant it to bonk whatever was bothering the person and not to be mean, but still I could see it easily being misinterpreted.

I feel like reactions can be abused by people reacting to others but a person they want to single out; while it would be hard to tell for sure since people miss posts because people are being ignored, I think it is still something to be concerned about. I think reactions and having more reactions should be considered carefully since even with the limited ones we have, they can be used to be toxic.
 
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Since we're talking about reactions please tell me I'm not the only one who's uncomfortable when people I'm not close to hug react my posts, I wish we could turn it off or replace it with something else that shows support that isn't so... intimate and personal 💀

Maybe it could be a flower or something and just be called "Support"? I swear Facebook had something like that way back when.
 
Since we're talking about reactions please tell me I'm not the only one who's uncomfortable when people I'm not close to hug react my posts, I wish we could turn it off or replace it with something else that shows support that isn't so... intimate and personal 💀

Maybe it could be a flower or something and just be called "Support"? I swear Facebook had something like that way back when.
I just don't like the "hug" react. Whenever someone uses it on my posts, I pretend I don't see it and erase it from my mind. So personally, I'd rather people just use the "like" or "heart" button for support
I think a flower would be good though
 
Since we're talking about reactions please tell me I'm not the only one who's uncomfortable when people I'm not close to hug react my posts, I wish we could turn it off or replace it with something else that shows support that isn't so... intimate and personal 💀

Maybe it could be a flower or something and just be called "Support"? I swear Facebook had something like that way back when.

I get it but at the same time I’m guilty of doing that sometimes because I do care about others. My bad for not considering it made anyone uncomfortable; I didn’t think a hug was necessarily intimate and personal.

You could say no reactions to your post if they bother you. Again, I’m sorry if I ever made you uncomfortable.

I don't like the hug react as well. Whenever someone uses it on my posts, I pretend I don't see it and erase it from my mind. So personally, I'd rather people just use the "like" or "heart" button for support.

Sorry Mr. Box if I ever made you uncomfortable.
 
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Sorry Mr. Box if I ever made you uncomfortable.
No, no no no no no no
It's just a personal thing!!! I know the purpose of the emote is to be a support button so when people react with the emote I know it's meant to be supportive! I have never been uncomfortable with people using it , I just ... transform it in my head... to be "support" instead of a "hug". If that makes sense.
I erase the "hug" visual from my mind
 
I get it but at the same time I’m guilty of doing that sometimes because I do care about others. My bad for not considering it made anyone uncomfortable; I didn’t think a hug was necessarily intimate and personal.

You could say no reactions to your post if they bother you. Again, I’m sorry if I ever made you uncomfortable (also for something else; I tried dming you but it didn’t go through.)
The other reactions don't bother me at all, just the hug. I don't like the thought of people I don't know or don't like touching me.

I've opened my DMs for a bit.
 
I’ll definitely take time to read through the entire thing, but with regards to the no response in CTS— I would definitely love for there to be just a simple acknowledgement for certain cases that seem more pressing or more controversial, for lack of a better term. I don’t need to know what action has been taken as I understand it’s not my place to know, but it just feels nice to be acknowledged. :)

Or just the simple “reviewing” tag is okay. Just anything that lets me know the concerns have been seen, regardless of the actions taken. ^^
 
+1 for the flower reaction to show support that you care about others instead of "hugging" them. I am touch averse and I only feel comfortable with very select few forms of physical touch by very specific individuals. The hug reaction makes me uncomfortable because it makes me feel uncomfortable to know if someone wants to touch me which includes "hugging" me even though I'm aware people are just trying to show they care about my posts but at the end of the day I guess it's just a hug picture and I just ignore it when people use the reaction on me.
 
I’m with Firesquids on this one and I’d go as far as to say I have the opposite reaction to some people on this thread with the hug emote, I actually really like the sentiment behind it. Can’t say how to deal with it but I’d genuinely be sad to see it go, I feel like if you just keep it and add flower as well then it’s not really going to change how people use it. Also imagine a bouquet reaction / flowers could easily be seen as weird by others, like honestly personally I’d feel weirder getting flowers, I’m not trying to say the feeling is invalid or anything but I like the hug personally.
 
I can understand the use of the hug react in a thread like What's Bothering You, but what really confuses me about the hug react is when people use it for no apparent reason. I have gotten hug reacted multiple times when I was just making a joke (with no hint of sadness or anything), or making a basic complaint about ACNH (or something along those lines). I get that it's not a real hug but like.. why are you hug reacting when I am clearly not upset, I don't understand what you mean by this. Is this person making fun of me somehow? Idk, it just really throws me off.

If it were possible, it would be nice if we could toggle off hug reacts!
 
I can understand the use of the hug react in a thread like What's Bothering You, but what really confuses me about the hug react is when people use it for no apparent reason. I have gotten hug reacted multiple times when I was just making a joke (with no hint of sadness or anything), or making a basic complaint about ACNH (or something along those lines). I get that it's not a real hug but like.. why are you hug reacting when I am clearly not upset, I don't understand what you mean by this. Is this person making fun of me somehow? Idk, it just really throws me off.

If it were possible, it would be nice if we could toggle off hug reacts!
I remember one time I was chatting with my partner in TBT PMs and I joked about knowing nothing about Metallica because I didn't realize the icon they had at the time was of one of the band members. (In reality, I know and dig some of their songs, but I'm not really hugely invested in them like they are.) My partner gave me a hug react even though I put "lol" at the end. To be honest, I don't really mind; it amuses me when my partner does it when I'm making a joke like that, but either way I'm touched when they "hug" me. 💕

I'm not really sure what you mean by toggling off the reacts though. Were you thinking about an option that lets users prevent others from "hugging" their posts? Would the toggle option be available in individual posts, or in the account settings where you can toggle for all posts made by you? Or both?

For now, maybe put something on your message next time saying, "No need for hug reacts, I'm just joking."
 
A bouquet could come off as romantic and seem inappropriate at times, that's why I suggested just a flower symbol (like these 🌼🌸🌺, or maybe even an acnh sprite). If a flower is still weird then I'm sure there's a symbol everyone can agree on

To add on to Mars' comment, I'm also touch averse hence I brought it up - though in my case it's likely due to a combination of PTSD and OCD. I don't like even the implication of people touching me unless they're someone I know and trust, and even then it really depends on my mood.
 
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