Mafia The Quest for King - Mafia | Game Thread | GAME OVER

voltairenism said:
ngl i can't rly remember how you used to play
specially interested in the post that made you towncore jacob. (and how you tr annika, which you already justified to ness)
also if theres anything specific about trent that you like besides vibes. ness i can accept it's more of a collection of consistent nice posts, since thats what i reading rn
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Trent is a collection of vibes + open honesty on things that make being elected king harder for no reason I can see a mafia decide to do.

Like it's not as ironclad as other things but I like it.

I can hunt for the Jacob post, but it was their first post about the now-dead Shiny. Because when I started reading D1 I saw Shiny's entrance to D1 and was like "This is never mafia" and then Jacob's first post about it points out the exact sequence that gave me that reaction and said something very similar.

I know mindmeldy posts can be bad but just like, given how people were not really sure of Shiny, a hard townread based on the exact read I was thinking of is just a ~good look~

And I'm not reconsidering that one until later tbh.
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Jacob4 said:
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hi guys! super excited to be playing first tbt game 😄
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gun to head this feels like something that comes from a villager - i might be biased on this point because i read through other bits of the thread just now and found other points where shiny felt believable as well (more on those later :p) but kinda would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise

on the flipside, damniel is very open about campaigning for king on page 1 which I don't really feel either way about in terms of their alignment, but I do think them prodding volt for a reaction on what they think about damniel becoming king shows solving mindset which i do find a bit town indicative
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just a bit more about myself: I play mostly on Mafia Universe (same as annika) so i have quite a bit of experience with forum mafia in general :p
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i find this response to damniel asking what volt thinks about them becoming king slightly strange, mainly because of being unbothered about allowing damniel to be king likely without knowing much about damniel's alignment yet. @voltairenism I'd be interested in knowing if you were townreading damniel at all at this point?
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This was the post.

It's not even front and centre which I'd expect if it was a performative read
 
Make me king and my first priority is to kill Oath.

Arstotzkan is but real first choice but has a chance of being modkilled which would be unfortunate but clear up the slot. I have a feeling they’ll come back eventually this phase though.
 
I like being king.

Also I tend to die very quickly so it makes my survivability last longer.
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I'm running on the campaign that chocolates deserve to be available to the wider populace. It'd be the sweet thing to do.
 
im ngl i dont have as much of a plan as i had yesterday so i wont campaign as much
prob voting for ness
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EnderWiggin said:
Trent is a collection of vibes + open honesty on things that make being elected king harder for no reason I can see a mafia decide to do.

Like it's not as ironclad as other things but I like it.

I can hunt for the Jacob post, but it was their first post about the now-dead Shiny. Because when I started reading D1 I saw Shiny's entrance to D1 and was like "This is never mafia" and then Jacob's first post about it points out the exact sequence that gave me that reaction and said something very similar.

I know mindmeldy posts can be bad but just like, given how people were not really sure of Shiny, a hard townread based on the exact read I was thinking of is just a ~good look~

And I'm not reconsidering that one until later tbh.
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This was the post.

It's not even front and centre which I'd expect if it was a performative read
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do you mean the bit "it would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise"? it has to be because his other point abt shiny is just saying he would talk about it later (and giving credit where its due, he did)
would you give oath (or me or tessa to some degree) towny points for the same reasoning?
I'm just trying to see your side on Jacob because I'm not feeling much town-iness in this slot and I'm not finding much sense in this reasoning
 
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this goes to both dan and ender but i fail to see jacob's behaviour towards shiny a 'proof' he's town because jacob arrived in thread at a point shiny had already spewed themself town (even jacob himself owns up to it, ill give him that)
 
voltairenism said:
this goes to both dan and ender but i fail to see jacob's behaviour towards shiny a 'proof' he's town because jacob arrived in thread at a point shiny had already spewed themself town (even jacob himself owns up to it, ill give him that)
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I'm talking about Jacob's vote to the shiny wagon. Not his townread on Shiny themself (that's whatever everyone TRd shiny basically). It's a little hard for me to imagine mafia wanting to give someone they probably had known was blue and a potential target kill immunity.

Granted, Shiny did say they would likely do no kill as king, so there wasn't much threat from them besides the immunity. Haven't heard much disagreement on this other than from Annika somewhat, so happy to hear thoughts on this
 
Damniel said:
I’m thinking Jacob is town primarily on the fact that he voted on Shiny. Shiny being kinged would mean they could not be killed which would obviously ruin mafia’s plan to kill them. That might be the most concrete town point so far
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like this point is so weird. jacob didn't take long to change his vote. what i mean is that dan seems a bit out of touch today overall
 
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I'm talking about Jacob's vote to the shiny wagon. Not his townread on Shiny themself (that's whatever everyone TRd shiny basically). It's a little hard for me to imagine mafia wanting to give someone they probably had known was blue and a potential target kill immunity.

Granted, Shiny did say they would likely do no kill as king, so there wasn't much threat from them besides the immunity. Haven't heard much disagreement on this other than from Annika somewhat, so happy to hear thoughts on this
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sorry i meant to merge with the post i made above, but had to do things irl
 
N e s s said:
Alright this is my headspace from last night.

Atleast 1 Mafia: Arstotzkan, Oath, RibbitRibbon, Volt, Ender
Potentially duping me and I can't see it: Daniel, Tessa, Trent

Ender's posts are good so far. Not getting any inherent sense of duplicity from him at this point so he's at the bottom of the list. Volt has also been putting in effort recently but they don't really feel like anything groundbreaking; Ender is arguably better in this aspect since his reads feel far more concise and confident.

Oath, Arstotzkan, and RibbitRibbon just have to have 1 mafia in them mentally. It's difficult without any other information to see this. Now, I trust Dan, but the fact that both him and Oath have been weirdly in sync this game has been bothering me the more I'm thinking about it. Dan's first choice day one was to push Oath for king, which is a weird choice in it of itself, but off the top of my head they've been sharing more opinions then it seems? Their interactions are probably the most plastic looking out of anything Dan has said to a player in the game as well. If Oath flipped mafia I'd be inclined to drop my hard TR of him.

Arstotzkan not being here to provide any content is making it difficult to read them, but their interactions with Tessa still bother me and I don't know if I can drop that.

Trent I'm going to assume is town, his posts are far too idk unique? I don't get the impression he is coordinating with anyone but its possible he's just a method actor.

Tessa's EOD still feels town indicative but some of their posts bother me here and there. Probably not worth pursuing that much.
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I think Dan pushed me as king because he and Tom thought it would be funny. I don't think it's any more deep than that.

N e s s said:
Make me king and my first priority is to kill Oath.

Arstotzkan is but real first choice but has a chance of being modkilled which would be unfortunate but clear up the slot. I have a feeling they’ll come back eventually this phase though.
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I mean, if you want to kill a town, go off. You're tunnel-visioning me for the reason of "Oath has been skating by and he's an easy target to go after".
 
voltairenism said:
im ngl i dont have as much of a plan as i had yesterday so i wont campaign as much
prob voting for ness
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do you mean the bit "it would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise"? it has to be because his other point abt shiny is just saying he would talk about it later (and giving credit where its due, he did)
would you give oath (or me or tessa to some degree) towny points for the same reasoning?
I'm just trying to see your side on Jacob because I'm not feeling much town-iness in this slot and I'm not finding much sense in this reasoning
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This was the first real calling out of it.

Of previous interactions:
Damniel half-sussed/quizzed Shiny
Ness made a friendship deal with Shiny
You got sussed by Shiny and called their reasoning "valid"
Tess called their approach an easy mafia option
Kat says they "failed the shut up test"
Kat then contiues to quiz Shiny, does say they "Don't sus them for it, just don't follow the logic"
Trent also quizzes them. Then you say that "Continued questioning this from Shiny isn't going anywhere" - This I could squint and say was what you referenced about yourself, but you never explicitly point anything townread about them here.
Damniel says that Shiny is effectively null so far.
Ness then DOES gut townread Shiny. Doesn't mention the logic Jacob brought up. In fact they clarify that their reasoning is more about how people pressured them around their answers to self-pres questions.
Damniel then townreads Shiny for reasons about how they were dogpiled, like Ness.
You then come in to explicitly say that Shiny is a ? for you

THEN

Jacob comes in saying the interactions around the King thing are something from Shiny that seems like it comes from town.

Neither Tessa (Who had an explicitly null read "Don't mistake my questions for an alignment lean"), Oath (Who I can't see a single mention of Shiny at this point in their posts.), nor you ("Shiny is a ? for me right now") pointed out that reasoning Jacob did.


Could Jacob be a wolf seeing someone generally townread and trying to find a "new reason" to read it that way and stumbling on my immediate page 1 read? Maybe.

But trying to dismiss that reasoning with your handwave feels like **** my dude.
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Like legitimately, I don't care if you disagree and want to quiz my thoughts on Jacob. But that post feels very strongly of trying to hold onto a possible POE slot slipping through your fingers and finding any excuse to dismiss my reasons to townread without actually thinking to engage with my thoughts in a thorough manner.
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Oath should probably be the priority to kill today, though. That post gives me 8 year old memories of shrug!wolf Oath
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I guess the Oath kneejerk is probably too early. But man that was a mafia-shaped post
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Also it's possible Ribbon/Tessa is w/w and I'm giving them too much credit based on weird thoughts on Ribbon.

But I have been mulling that one over.
 
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voltairenism said:
ender sorry

ill read ender post in a bit
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It seems you two know each other from elsewhere so there's some underlying meta reading the both of you have been talking about that I can't comment on. Besides you, Annika and now Oath, I haven't noticed any noticeable commentary on alive players from him. I've been waiting for him to make a post on this:

EnderWiggin said:
Also there's a wolf that feels kinda overt getting townread so far. :blobstalk:

But that bucket gets kicked over when I feel like it.
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I'd actually like Ender to talk about it now since the big red read he ended up going for was Oath

Overall I haven't been convinced of a town ender yet. Most of his posts have been about catching up which is understandable, but I'm hoping he comments on the current game state more.
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oath2order said:
I think Dan pushed me as king because he and Tom thought it would be funny. I don't think it's any more deep than that.
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It was not a joke post from me. I had said I thought it was a legitimate wagon since I thought you not wanting the crown was towny. It wasn't until you said you'd consider killing Ness that I backed off since I didn't think Ness should die
 
Damniel said:
It seems you two know each other from elsewhere so there's some underlying meta reading the both of you have been talking about that I can't comment on. Besides you, Annika and now Oath, I haven't noticed any noticeable commentary on alive players from him. I've been waiting for him to make a post on this:


I'd actually like Ender to talk about it now since the big red read he ended up going for was Oath

Overall I haven't been convinced of a town ender yet. Most of his posts have been about catching up which is understandable, but I'm hoping he comments on the current game state more.
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It was not a joke post from me. I had said I thought it was a legitimate wagon since I thought you not wanting the crown was towny. It wasn't until you said you'd consider killing Ness that I backed off since I didn't think Ness should die
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I use bladescape on MU.

Volt ran into me there a few years ago. I proceeded to read them like a book for a bunch of games =P

The Deep Wolf isn't relevant to talk about rn because starting the "Witchhunt in town" is a bad idea. I regret making that post. That being said there is a person I think wolfing who is being townread rn. I'll bring it up if I feel it'll be an impact to the game further than that, but leaving that vague and letting them post is better because more reads for later.

Sometimes killing the head of the snake isn't as good early as later.

Also I note you've ignored the other alive players (Like Jacob) I've made reads on.
 
EnderWiggin said:
This was the first real calling out of it.

Of previous interactions:
Damniel half-sussed/quizzed Shiny
Ness made a friendship deal with Shiny
You got sussed by Shiny and called their reasoning "valid"
Tess called their approach an easy mafia option
Kat says they "failed the shut up test"
Kat then contiues to quiz Shiny, does say they "Don't sus them for it, just don't follow the logic"
Trent also quizzes them. Then you say that "Continued questioning this from Shiny isn't going anywhere" - This I could squint and say was what you referenced about yourself, but you never explicitly point anything townread about them here.
Damniel says that Shiny is effectively null so far.
Ness then DOES gut townread Shiny. Doesn't mention the logic Jacob brought up. In fact they clarify that their reasoning is more about how people pressured them around their answers to self-pres questions.
Damniel then townreads Shiny for reasons about how they were dogpiled, like Ness.
You then come in to explicitly say that Shiny is a ? for you

THEN

Jacob comes in saying the interactions around the King thing are something from Shiny that seems like it comes from town.

Neither Tessa (Who had an explicitly null read "Don't mistake my questions for an alignment lean"), Oath (Who I can't see a single mention of Shiny at this point in their posts.), nor you ("Shiny is a ? for me right now") pointed out that reasoning Jacob did.


Could Jacob be a wolf seeing someone generally townread and trying to find a "new reason" to read it that way and stumbling on my immediate page 1 read? Maybe.

But trying to dismiss that reasoning with your handwave feels like **** my dude.
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ill say that you put yourself on the position where you were keen on jacobs point rather than liking his attitude on that past gamestate. i see now what you are coming from, specially with mindmeld, like a very "finally someone said it" feeling that feels genuine to me

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Like legitimately, I don't care if you disagree and want to quiz my thoughts on Jacob. But that post feels very strongly of trying to hold onto a possible POE slot slipping through your fingers and finding any excuse to dismiss my reasons to townread without actually thinking to engage with my thoughts in a thorough manner.
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im aware it feels that way ngl. specially bc both you and dan had takes abt jacob i couldnt follow. ill say ill drop this point because i dont think both you and dan can be wolf, considering dan attitude on gabby's slot. i dont think he would get much credit if he was to bus her
 
EnderWiggin said:
can hunt for the Jacob post, but it was their first post about the now-dead Shiny. Because when I started reading D1 I saw Shiny's entrance to D1 and was like "This is never mafia" and then Jacob's first post about it points out the exact sequence that gave me that reaction and said something very similar.

I know mindmeldy posts can be bad but just like, given how people were not really sure of Shiny, a hard townread based on the exact read I was thinking of is just a ~good look~
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I'm not sure how a hard townread couldn't be possible TMI. You also read Shiny with TMI since they were dead at that point
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like, it would be odd to mind meld with a player when you have the knowledge they are town?
 
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