Damniel
Openly Wolfing
@tessa grace why do you choose Chris over the other picks you were considering
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Was out of signal range when I thought I wouldn't be and I have to go in for a ten hour shift tomorrow where I'm not allowed to be on my phone and am already past my bedtime atm. Obviously don't want to die but I've only caught up on like the first 80 or so posts of the game. I'm reading back with the luxury of knowing Chris and Shiny were town so hopefully that can give me some sort of perspective as well as tone, how much bite people are showing and who they are biting, and reasonings for king nominations. Though atm I'm just sniffing out 'asking questions out of genuine uncertainty' vs 'asking questions and putting stuff out there to fake uncertainty' vs 'this post just gives me tmi vibes' and only the first of those three is easy to find. Like idk this is the vibes up to page 6 at least. Tom and Arsto have felt contrarian/alone in approaches. Tom is silly with the no elim stuff but I guuuuess I don't get too performative of a vibe from it. I disliked Arsto saying 'you failed the shut up test thumbs down' to Shiny and Tessa but it's the kind of scrappy posting I like in the thread environment at that moment. Ness feels like he was getting the ball rolling with his prods and questions here and there and looks like someone who wants to start getting the work done. Easy to fake of course but with what I've read so far he looked more genuinely inquisitive compared to others who are just posting game theory/Kingmaking philosophy (Dan, ribbot, etc). Weak junk so far from me but I thought I'd let ya'll know where my headspace is at. Also I forgot how weird Kingmaker is. If you want my philosophy it's that a good king or the people in contention to be kings should put guns to people's heads and make them give townreads and PoEs because King votes aren't as easy to analyze as votes in a more traditional mafia game would be. That will also lead to more effective towncore work moving forward. I think rather than there being a singular consensus pick that town wants King to kill, you'll have better luck getting a consensus PoE for the king to pick from instead. And of course a core that shouldn't be hero shot in unless there's a veeery good reason to.
You're saying this as if I knew that Chris was going to flip as the tracker. Sure we can dream all we want about how much brighter life would be if we still have an investigative role, but I was operating on what I had provided at that moment.
Why would you even say that? I'd think I was being clear in what I said there.
Bad hero shots with weak reasoning or more importantly no prior evidence of that person having sus before is the kinda stuff you might see from mafia kings. Anyways goodnight.
Let me restate that because I can't tell if I have good sentence clarity or not.
If a king makes a shot on a person they have shown no suspicion towards prior to shooting them, it's not even classified as a hero shot. It's a 'what the heck' nonsense shot or (and more likely) mafia shooting outside of the PoE to get rid of someone they wanted gone for one reason or another (fear, obvtown that won't be shot, PR snipe, etc). Can we all agree on this I hope? And operate on that agreement? Give mafia no places to hide and it's an easier path to victory. Want to say this because I'm straight up just not going to be able to effectively be part of any core and PoE building for this phase. Going to bed for real for real now.
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Let me restate that because I can't tell if I have good sentence clarity or not.
If a king makes a shot on a person they have shown no suspicion towards prior to shooting them, it's not even classified as a hero shot. It's a 'what the heck' nonsense shot or (and more likely) mafia shooting outside of the PoE to get rid of someone they wanted gone for one reason or another (fear, obvtown that won't be shot, PR snipe, etc). Can we all agree on this I hope? And operate on that agreement? Give mafia no places to hide and it's an easier path to victory. Want to say this because I'm straight up just not going to be able to effectively be part of any core and PoE building for this phase. Going to bed for real for real now.
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voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
@Jacob4 what did you mean here?gun to head this feels like something that comes from a villager - i might be biased on this point because i read through other bits of the thread just now and found other points where shiny felt believable as well (more on those later) but kinda would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise
what was her alignment in that game? how did u figure out?btw i have a good read on my homesite for annika in turbos (basically very short time length games) so I think I may be able to read her decently here, but I'm not as confident in doing it in normal length games tbh (i was v uncertain on her alignment in a longer length game we had recently on mafia universe lol but eventually ended up reading correctly)
ill give my thoughts on her as i go through
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Feels strange not having the ISO function, oldschool
how do you feel about today's ness king campaign? again sorry if you talked about it (i feel like u did) the iso search is strange
ties into my other question, i just wanted to highlight this post
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im not reading all that
Was out of signal range when I thought I wouldn't be and I have to go in for a ten hour shift tomorrow where I'm not allowed to be on my phone and am already past my bedtime atm. Obviously don't want to die but I've only caught up on like the first 80 or so posts of the game. I'm reading back with the luxury of knowing Chris and Shiny were town so hopefully that can give me some sort of perspective as well as tone, how much bite people are showing and who they are biting, and reasonings for king nominations. Though atm I'm just sniffing out 'asking questions out of genuine uncertainty' vs 'asking questions and putting stuff out there to fake uncertainty' vs 'this post just gives me tmi vibes' and only the first of those three is easy to find. Like idk this is the vibes up to page 6 at least. Tom and Arsto have felt contrarian/alone in approaches. Tom is silly with the no elim stuff but I guuuuess I don't get too performative of a vibe from it. I disliked Arsto saying 'you failed the shut up test thumbs down' to Shiny and Tessa but it's the kind of scrappy posting I like in the thread environment at that moment. Ness feels like he was getting the ball rolling with his prods and questions here and there and looks like someone who wants to start getting the work done. Easy to fake of course but with what I've read so far he looked more genuinely inquisitive compared to others who are just posting game theory/Kingmaking philosophy (Dan, ribbot, etc). Weak junk so far from me but I thought I'd let ya'll know where my headspace is at. Also I forgot how weird Kingmaker is. If you want my philosophy it's that a good king or the people in contention to be kings should put guns to people's heads and make them give townreads and PoEs because King votes aren't as easy to analyze as votes in a more traditional mafia game would be. That will also lead to more effective towncore work moving forward. I think rather than there being a singular consensus pick that town wants King to kill, you'll have better luck getting a consensus PoE for the king to pick from instead. And of course a core that shouldn't be hero shot in unless there's a veeery good reason to.
EnderWiggin
Senior Member
I may or may not have fallen asleep instead of rereading.
Geoni's post feels uninspiring but not overly wolfy. I'd want to see more of them because I definitely know I can vibe with a town!them.
Volt is right, I rechecked my meta notes and their play this game isn't like either wolf or town tells so I guess I gotta relearn how to book read them.
I've liked Trent's posts the most on reading up so far. Ness also feels good but it's a "Feels good tunnelly" which is the easiest feels good to fake as mafia so I'm less inclined to actually give that many good points for it. I'm going to be rereading for context and reserve the right to flip that on my head.
Also there's a wolf that feels kinda overt getting townread so far. :blobstalk:
But that bucket gets kicked over when I feel like it.
Also Trent's D1 feels kinda town too. Kudos if you're wolf because that's some quality vibe.
For the record, while I strongly think King should do their best to take into account the reads of people around them, I also believe that they should pick the read that they feel strongest in after those. You take away the possible variance of reading people's decisions if it becomes basically an elected official to do the will of the crowd.
Oath's D1 has been largely forgettable so far, despite the fact I've seen a few of their posts by p5. So I'm going to call that a mafia lean and move on with my life
Policy Chops are super lame, but every chop that creates any sort of debate generates some sort of content you can read. And that includes things that are imo bad decisions (Aka policy chops).
That being said, wildly swinging on D1 is both: a. Not a policy chop and b. Good for information
Whatever their alignment.
Town absolutely doesn't always win without some critical thinking being used lmao
I'm also loving almost every Annika post I've seen
I think I'm ready to commit to Ness being town by p11 but I definitely am not super confident in that one.
Geoni's post feels uninspiring but not overly wolfy. I'd want to see more of them because I definitely know I can vibe with a town!them.
Volt is right, I rechecked my meta notes and their play this game isn't like either wolf or town tells so I guess I gotta relearn how to book read them.
I've liked Trent's posts the most on reading up so far. Ness also feels good but it's a "Feels good tunnelly" which is the easiest feels good to fake as mafia so I'm less inclined to actually give that many good points for it. I'm going to be rereading for context and reserve the right to flip that on my head.
Also there's a wolf that feels kinda overt getting townread so far. :blobstalk:
But that bucket gets kicked over when I feel like it.
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Also Trent's D1 feels kinda town too. Kudos if you're wolf because that's some quality vibe.
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For the record, while I strongly think King should do their best to take into account the reads of people around them, I also believe that they should pick the read that they feel strongest in after those. You take away the possible variance of reading people's decisions if it becomes basically an elected official to do the will of the crowd.
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Oath's D1 has been largely forgettable so far, despite the fact I've seen a few of their posts by p5. So I'm going to call that a mafia lean and move on with my life
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I'm gonna soap box a lil bit.
Policy Chops are super lame, but every chop that creates any sort of debate generates some sort of content you can read. And that includes things that are imo bad decisions (Aka policy chops).
That being said, wildly swinging on D1 is both: a. Not a policy chop and b. Good for information
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Policy chops = people considered good players win.
Whatever their alignment.
Town absolutely doesn't always win without some critical thinking being used lmao
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I'm also loving almost every Annika post I've seen
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I think I'm ready to commit to Ness being town by p11 but I definitely am not super confident in that one.
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EnderWiggin
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Jacob literally is the first person to spot exactly why Shiny was town from D1.
And that makes me feel pretty good about just hard towncoring them for ? reasons.
Oh, um. I didn't expect that to make a new post.
... Please don't kill me mods =P
And that makes me feel pretty good about just hard towncoring them for ? reasons.
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Oh, um. I didn't expect that to make a new post.
... Please don't kill me mods =P
voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
im inside your walls
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
I’m thinking Jacob is town primarily on the fact that he voted on Shiny. Shiny being kinged would mean they could not be killed which would obviously ruin mafia’s plan to kill them. That might be the most concrete town point so far
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This kinda feels town looking back? There wasn’t much pushback for Chris besides this?
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by saying my vote not turning any eyes is suspicious, you're implying it'd be better if my vote was odd lol
I don't think the second point is true either but I don't exactly remember when I showed up for things so shrug, activity is never a consistent thing to read into anyway
volt, do you personally have a read on ribbit? I'm kind of interested in why you picked on my read about them specifically when I have comments about other people as well
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that implies the mafia team would have decided who they were nightkilling already, before EoD even started
I think mafia would most probably talk about their kill and choose it during the night, right?
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EnderWiggin
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Okay I have finally read everything around all my general other life things.
Hey Annika. I think you're pretty towny. Can I ask you, between Volt or Ness who do you have a stronger townread on?
And could you articulate the reason for that read?
Hey Annika. I think you're pretty towny. Can I ask you, between Volt or Ness who do you have a stronger townread on?
And could you articulate the reason for that read?
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
I would assume they probably started picking potiential targets by then. Even if they didn’t settle on Shiny, I don’t think they would king potential kills?
voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
yeah? if you had a different vote and could back your decision, that would require me to reread your slot
i do, here it is:
Alright this is my headspace from last night.
Atleast 1 Mafia: Arstotzkan, Oath, RibbitRibbon, Volt, Ender
Potentially duping me and I can't see it: Daniel, Tessa, Trent
Ender's posts are good so far. Not getting any inherent sense of duplicity from him at this point so he's at the bottom of the list. Volt has also been putting in effort recently but they don't really feel like anything groundbreaking; Ender is arguably better in this aspect since his reads feel far more concise and confident.
Oath, Arstotzkan, and RibbitRibbon just have to have 1 mafia in them mentally. It's difficult without any other information to see this. Now, I trust Dan, but the fact that both him and Oath have been weirdly in sync this game has been bothering me the more I'm thinking about it. Dan's first choice day one was to push Oath for king, which is a weird choice in it of itself, but off the top of my head they've been sharing more opinions then it seems? Their interactions are probably the most plastic looking out of anything Dan has said to a player in the game as well. If Oath flipped mafia I'd be inclined to drop my hard TR of him.
Arstotzkan not being here to provide any content is making it difficult to read them, but their interactions with Tessa still bother me and I don't know if I can drop that.
Trent I'm going to assume is town, his posts are far too idk unique? I don't get the impression he is coordinating with anyone but its possible he's just a method actor.
Tessa's EOD still feels town indicative but some of their posts bother me here and there. Probably not worth pursuing that much.
Atleast 1 Mafia: Arstotzkan, Oath, RibbitRibbon, Volt, Ender
Potentially duping me and I can't see it: Daniel, Tessa, Trent
Ender's posts are good so far. Not getting any inherent sense of duplicity from him at this point so he's at the bottom of the list. Volt has also been putting in effort recently but they don't really feel like anything groundbreaking; Ender is arguably better in this aspect since his reads feel far more concise and confident.
Oath, Arstotzkan, and RibbitRibbon just have to have 1 mafia in them mentally. It's difficult without any other information to see this. Now, I trust Dan, but the fact that both him and Oath have been weirdly in sync this game has been bothering me the more I'm thinking about it. Dan's first choice day one was to push Oath for king, which is a weird choice in it of itself, but off the top of my head they've been sharing more opinions then it seems? Their interactions are probably the most plastic looking out of anything Dan has said to a player in the game as well. If Oath flipped mafia I'd be inclined to drop my hard TR of him.
Arstotzkan not being here to provide any content is making it difficult to read them, but their interactions with Tessa still bother me and I don't know if I can drop that.
Trent I'm going to assume is town, his posts are far too idk unique? I don't get the impression he is coordinating with anyone but its possible he's just a method actor.
Tessa's EOD still feels town indicative but some of their posts bother me here and there. Probably not worth pursuing that much.
voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
i feel like there is nothing going for it but nothing going against it either
i see ur theory crafting in dan/arstozkan but do you have anything for dan/oath, oath/artozkan? or do you just wolfread him
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Oh and I guess Geoni can be included in that list but obviously he's provided basically nothing still. A decentish post he made there but I agree with Ender that it doesn't really say anything indicative.
Annika from what I remember reading feels like Town that isn't sure where to start; @EnderWiggin if you could share with me why you find her posts as town as you do that would help give me some better perspective on that.
Jacob4 is a weird beast from my POV. His motivations seem pure but his take on me being wolfish made me raise an eyebrow, and his insistence on Annika/Shiny being town doesn't really strike me as inherently town, but its not really something at the forefront of my mind. Maybe I'll read him more today.
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Oath/Arstotzkan is hard to make a decent argument for but its one of those things that feels moderately right to me. Ofc Arstotzkan being MIA and Oath still saying practically nothing makes it hard to say anything substantial.
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Annika from what I remember reading feels like Town that isn't sure where to start; @EnderWiggin if you could share with me why you find her posts as town as you do that would help give me some better perspective on that.
Jacob4 is a weird beast from my POV. His motivations seem pure but his take on me being wolfish made me raise an eyebrow, and his insistence on Annika/Shiny being town doesn't really strike me as inherently town, but its not really something at the forefront of my mind. Maybe I'll read him more today.
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voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
feeling pretty set on ribbit being town. can't say much about ender because he says "i like this i like that" without much explanation so i can't really judge his worldview
going to reread annika and oath. dreading havimg to read dan/trent/ness. but i did start on ness and i think there is a genuine helpfulness from him overall
going to reread annika and oath. dreading havimg to read dan/trent/ness. but i did start on ness and i think there is a genuine helpfulness from him overall
EnderWiggin
Senior Member
The early reads seem genuine (First reads in this post)
Their spec on the best mech also feels good in that post but that's like... much of a muchness.
The whole "Don't want to be king because they can't find mafia on D1" is a vibe I more often see from town. Also their questions felt good.
I could go more in depth but against the backdrop of what else I'm seeing that was enough for me to put them in the town pile for now.
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Questions might help actually clarifying anything you have questions on.
I have too many reads to give you etymology on each one, but generally I'd say you can follow my train if you pay attention or ask the right question.
And you know this is how I operate given that part of my play HASN'T changed since I played with you. (Though I admit my modus operandi back then was quoting the post I had the reaction to.)
So which of my reads explained would help you judge my worldview?
voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
ngl i can't rly remember how you used to play
specially interested in the post that made you towncore jacob. (and how you tr annika, which you already justified to ness)
also if theres anything specific about trent that you like besides vibes. ness i can accept it's more of a collection of consistent nice posts, since thats what i reading rn
