You're saying this as if I knew that Chris was going to flip as the tracker. Sure we can dream all we want about how much brighter life would be if we still have an investigative role, but I was operating on what I had provided at that moment.if tracker is our only investigative role i really don't think chris *needed* to go. in fact he needed to stay.
holding a belief that the loss of (potentially) the most important pr for our town was beneficial because their takes were bad, especially for your survival, has got me feeling bad feelings. unless i'm misunderstanding, can you dive into this?
@Jacob4 what did you mean here?gun to head this feels like something that comes from a villager - i might be biased on this point because i read through other bits of the thread just now and found other points where shiny felt believable as well (more on those later ) but kinda would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise
what was her alignment in that game? how did u figure out?btw i have a good read on my homesite for annika in turbos (basically very short time length games) so I think I may be able to read her decently here, but I'm not as confident in doing it in normal length games tbh (i was v uncertain on her alignment in a longer length game we had recently on mafia universe lol but eventually ended up reading correctly)
ill give my thoughts on her as i go through
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Feels strange not having the ISO function, oldschool
how do you feel about today's ness king campaign? again sorry if you talked about it (i feel like u did) the iso search is strangewouldn't go geoni would like to see them at least post before they die
ness feels the wolfiest to me, their method of trying to get people to vote them at the start by being direct with them felt weird, and of the people pushing for king they feel the most uncertain and I feel like town would be more likely to commit to doing it
I'm kinda wavering on my vote on you, I don't feel completely comfortable handing over king to you tbh either, I feel more comfortable handing it to someone who doesn't feel like they're trying to control gamestate
ties into my other question, i just wanted to highlight this postbtw I veto killing annika
like 95% confident in this read
im not reading all that
Was out of signal range when I thought I wouldn't be and I have to go in for a ten hour shift tomorrow where I'm not allowed to be on my phone and am already past my bedtime atm. Obviously don't want to die but I've only caught up on like the first 80 or so posts of the game. I'm reading back with the luxury of knowing Chris and Shiny were town so hopefully that can give me some sort of perspective as well as tone, how much bite people are showing and who they are biting, and reasonings for king nominations. Though atm I'm just sniffing out 'asking questions out of genuine uncertainty' vs 'asking questions and putting stuff out there to fake uncertainty' vs 'this post just gives me tmi vibes' and only the first of those three is easy to find. Like idk this is the vibes up to page 6 at least. Tom and Arsto have felt contrarian/alone in approaches. Tom is silly with the no elim stuff but I guuuuess I don't get too performative of a vibe from it. I disliked Arsto saying 'you failed the shut up test thumbs down' to Shiny and Tessa but it's the kind of scrappy posting I like in the thread environment at that moment. Ness feels like he was getting the ball rolling with his prods and questions here and there and looks like someone who wants to start getting the work done. Easy to fake of course but with what I've read so far he looked more genuinely inquisitive compared to others who are just posting game theory/Kingmaking philosophy (Dan, ribbot, etc). Weak junk so far from me but I thought I'd let ya'll know where my headspace is at. Also I forgot how weird Kingmaker is. If you want my philosophy it's that a good king or the people in contention to be kings should put guns to people's heads and make them give townreads and PoEs because King votes aren't as easy to analyze as votes in a more traditional mafia game would be. That will also lead to more effective towncore work moving forward. I think rather than there being a singular consensus pick that town wants King to kill, you'll have better luck getting a consensus PoE for the king to pick from instead. And of course a core that shouldn't be hero shot in unless there's a veeery good reason to.
I'm gonna soap box a lil bit.Policy chops are always super lame though, let's be real. "It generates information!" So does me chugging a gallon of whole milk while being lactose intolerant, be for real
Policy chops = people considered good players win.welp i meant in general lmao pretty sure the mu nerds plays this all the time
im inside your wallsPolicy chops = people considered good players win.
Whatever their alignment.
Town absolutely doesn't always win without some critical thinking being used lmao
This kinda feels town looking back? There wasn’t much pushback for Chris besides this?chris is pretty easy as a maf read though because he’s not here to defend himself
i would lean more ness today
by saying my vote not turning any eyes is suspicious, you're implying it'd be better if my vote was odd lolannika
mostly under radar, but would quickly answer whenever pinged so they were active at the time. voted for tessa what wouldnt turn any eyes
also their strongest read on anything was a townlead on ribbit which is justified by that post that is up there bc i cant cut and paste under. i dont think it has much depth and just felt like a plot point cherry picked. more than a couple of people talked abt bussing bc it feels very natural in this setup
that implies the mafia team would have decided who they were nightkilling already, before EoD even startedI’m thinking Jacob is town primarily on the fact that he voted on Shiny. Shiny being kinged would mean they could not be killed which would obviously ruin mafia’s plan to kill them. That might be the most concrete town point so far
i said this before but uh i'm townleaning tessa, volt, ness, trent and ribbit
idk people were saying their reads so i might as well too
that's all i have tho
I would assume they probably started picking potiential targets by then. Even if they didn’t settle on Shiny, I don’t think they would king potential kills?that implies the mafia team would have decided who they were nightkilling already, before EoD even started
I think mafia would most probably talk about their kill and choose it during the night, right?
yeah? if you had a different vote and could back your decision, that would require me to reread your slotby saying my vote not turning any eyes is suspicious, you're implying it'd be better if my vote was odd lol
I don't think the second point is true either but I don't exactly remember when I showed up for things so shrug, activity is never a consistent thing to read into anyway
volt, do you personally have a read on ribbit? I'm kind of interested in why you picked on my read about them specifically when I have comments about other people as well
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that implies the mafia team would have decided who they were nightkilling already, before EoD even started
I think mafia would most probably talk about their kill and choose it during the night, right?
sorry but i still fail to view how trent fit your worldview at that point
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but nonetheless i can follow ribbit's line of logic well so it sounds town to me. i would agree that fearing mafia electing between themselves would take ribbit to vote someone that looks harmless and is actively cooperating
i feel like there is nothing going for it but nothing going against it eitherI was drifting to sleep but the intrusive thoughts took over
I’m having a nagging feeling about an Oath/Dan/Arstotzkan team. Would that make sense at all
Oath/Arstotzkan is hard to make a decent argument for but its one of those things that feels moderately right to me. Ofc Arstotzkan being MIA and Oath still saying practically nothing makes it hard to say anything substantial.i feel like there is nothing going for it but nothing going against it either
i see ur theory crafting in dan/arstozkan but do you have anything for dan/oath, oath/artozkan? or do you just wolfread him
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The early reads seem genuine (First reads in this post)Annika from what I remember reading feels like Town that isn't sure where to start; @EnderWiggin if you could share with me why you find her posts as town as you do that would help give me some better perspective on that.
Questions might help actually clarifying anything you have questions on.feeling pretty set on ribbit being town. can't say much about ender because he says "i like this i like that" without much explanation so i can't really judge his worldview
going to reread annika and oath. dreading havimg to read dan/trent/ness. but i did start on ness and i think there is a genuine helpfulness from him overall
ngl i can't rly remember how you used to playThe early reads seem genuine (First reads in this post)
Their spec on the best mech also feels good in that post but that's like... much of a muchness.
The whole "Don't want to be king because they can't find mafia on D1" is a vibe I more often see from town. Also their questions felt good.
I could go more in depth but against the backdrop of what else I'm seeing that was enough for me to put them in the town pile for now.
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Questions might help actually clarifying anything you have questions on.
I have too many reads to give you etymology on each one, but generally I'd say you can follow my train if you pay attention or ask the right question.
And you know this is how I operate given that part of my play HASN'T changed since I played with you. (Though I admit my modus operandi back then was quoting the post I had the reaction to.)
So which of my reads explained would help you judge my worldview?