Mafia The Quest for King - Mafia | Game Thread | GAME OVER

[N e s s]

A bit. I don't exactly disagree with the logic behind think Oath is a good kill, them lurking in the background mostly and generally posting Day 1 when called out didn't fully sit right but I was/am willing to chalk it up to just uncertainty about the setup. That said, I don't exactly trust you enough right now to consider voting you king and I trust Daniel even less despite Dan being heavy into seemingly trying to game solve.

Also going back to Chris' post here,


I'm a bit inclined to agree that at least one of us three is probably a wolf, it's just a matter of who. Naturally I'm removing myself from the equation, so it's just who is the bigger evil, you or Dan. Hence me asking this earlier:



Dan's been the one to lead discussions and while a lot of you did say in some form that Chris was an optimal choice for N1, Dan did kind of keep narrowing suspects for Tessa to pick from.

I haven't not thought about him being mafia. But just off his energy alone I don't think its him. Granted I feel like anytime he townreads me I naturally think he's town since anytime he's pushed me in the past I've unleashed my iconic power-of-the-sun overreaction on him.

Not to fight his own battles but Tessa was the final pick because the three of us (me, dan, tessa) rallied around her to not split the vote. Not sure what those other three's reasoning for voting her was I haven't paid much attention to them.

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Tom are you town? Please tell me, you're giving me heart burn.

 

[Damniel]

Dan's been the one to lead discussions and while a lot of you did say in some form that Chris was an optimal choice for N1, Dan did kind of keep narrowing suspects for Tessa to pick from.

If Tessa actually went with who I would’ve killed she would’ve killed Gabby (but I guess we were both right in that Gabby did not redeem herself but the slot can). But also I didn’t make her kill anyone, she asked for opinions

I'm a bit inclined to agree that at least one of us three is probably a wolf, it's just a matter of who. Naturally I'm removing myself from the equation, so it's just who is the bigger evil, you or Dan. Hence me asking this earlier:

You Ness and I weren’t the only active players start of game. Tessa Arstotzkan and Volt were also quite talkative. Chris themself even admitted there were more people talking and they just didn’t take note of. Not sure why Ness and I are singled out in particular

 

[voltairenism]

i explained most of the stuff at the end of your post here:

i voted tessa against my previous thought because i didn’t want to risk a no crown; since i didn’t have time to go and find another king idea in the candidates i sheeped annika and dan since i liked their reasoning for her. also later iirc a few people pointed out my initial theory seemed more like a bandwagon than a bus, and i agree so i dropped it.

also i liked you and trent as candidates because you both seemed to have strong opinions without outing them to the town. i still townread damniel but he outs his reads explicitly and publicly so i don’t see him as an optimal king.

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i also forgot to answer this, but i’m neutral towards her. i haven’t done a lot of digging, i have yet to see anyone accuse her so i didn’t feel the need. the king kill was decided by the town pretty blatantly too which would be the only thing i would have against her. i’ll reread and think about her more

sorry but i still fail to view how trent fit your worldview at that point

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but nonetheless i can follow ribbit's line of logic well so it sounds town to me. i would agree that fearing mafia electing between themselves would take ribbit to vote someone that looks harmless and is actively cooperating

 

[N e s s]

I just have this weird thought in the back of my mind that maf Daniel would have been more likely to start a wagon on me this phase? It just feels theoretically easy to accuse me rn. I genuinely was anticipating that outcome and its disappointing.

 

[ribbitribbon]

sorry but i still fail to view how trent fit your worldview at that point

it would be a lot of work to quote all of them but here are a few of his posts i liked:

yes. no im not sharing with the class. you'll see it when i vote

@Geoni @Jacob4 wake up

I assume Chris will post tomorrow/soon? given that they popped in quick enough to answer my question but hmmmmmm

I mean having gone back and reread them, they feel hollow for sure but like... There's not much to do. It seems like they've at least they've read backwards since their initial post. Not a defense of them frankly as I agree with you, but like day's fizzled and until our last three speak up in player roles there's not much to do unless someone wants to pick a fight for lulz.

No, figure it out or bandwagon elect someone else.

he explicitly stated that he was keeping his reads to himself which i like and discouraged tessa from abiding by popular vote. he also contributes well when he does.

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Tom are you town? Please tell me, you're giving me heart burn.

who are you asking here

 

[voltairenism]

Taps sign for @Damniel, I'm not sure what more you were expecting from me EoD. I'm not convinced sharing lists and kill by committee is optimal here in this setup.

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Also being for real this was not the replacement I was expecting. I thought Ribbon or Geoni, but hello again Ender

what ill say about Trent EoD is that he was not using the "No vote" excuse as much as i would expect him to do as wolf!trent
overall i disagree with dan's expectations of EoD because of the difference in the setup. sad because i was mind melting with dan all day yesterday

 

[Trent the Paladin]

I haven't not thought about him being mafia. But just off his energy alone I don't think its him. Granted I feel like anytime he townreads me I naturally think he's town since anytime he's pushed me in the past I've unleashed my iconic power-of-the-sun overreaction on him.

Tom are you town? Please tell me, you're giving me heart burn.

Why not? What's different about his energy here that makes you think it's not him? I'll cop to overthinking the setup, with it being closed we don't know exactly what we're getting into and frankly I haven't really played a mafia game in a while, I think the closest I got to really playing was my Day 1 fight with Shawo in my last game.

Chris flipping tracker however kicked my overthinking into overdrive however, it's not a role that reveals alignments but maybe it helps balance things out IF there's a godfather and more good/evil PRs in the game. What if Dan is godfather, meaning he's essentially going to fly by now that we're out of PRs and it's gonna take too long to realize? But maybe I'm just overthinking things or trusting Chris a bit much or simply just tired because it's bedtime.

Also what difference would it make, would you even believe me if I said I was town? I know I'm town, but I can lie for you if you want and say survivor?

 

[voltairenism]

it would be a lot of work to quote all of them but here are a few of his posts i liked:



he explicitly stated that he was keeping his reads to himself which i like and discouraged tessa from abiding by popular vote. he also contributes well when he does.

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who are you asking here

hes asking trent
but like do you think a 'no kill' would bring info?

 

[ribbitribbon]

hes asking trent
but like do you think a 'no kill' would bring info?

not at this point anymore because two power roles are dead. i don’t think no killing the king power is optimal anymore, if there’s any left we risk losing them

 

[N e s s]

Condensed~

I feel this can be easily explained with that Chris just didn't really... give a good reason lol. I'm holding onto my guns that Chris needed to go because that opinion of us three was unsubstantiated; why should, in theory, three people be considered suspicious simply because they wanted to play the game from the start? Is it not out of character for myself, Daniel, or you to be the first ones posting? Especially then continue talking about whatever into the next pages since we were the only ones there at the time?

I could dig through the things he's said and really delve into them, but everything he has said has been nothing but fluid from my POV. Do you really think he's said anything inherently bad because I don't see it... and what you said about him directing Tessa's vote doesn't really follow for me.

We could play the hypothetical game all day about what roles could or couldn't be in the game, but if I were a gambling man then Tracker is probably the only investigative role we got.

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If RibbitRibbon flipped red I'd be more inclined to reread Daniel, but beyond that the things he's said have been making perfect sense.

 

[oath2order]

I don’t really think a maf Ness would go hard red read on Chris based on their only post, continue to tunnel and advocate for their death when it was very plausible they would be killed. I feel that confidence was genuine otherwise I think a maf Ness would’ve backed off earlier

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Like, I don’t think mafia would go that hard on a read D1 when they know they’re wrong

that's a fair point that I hadn't exactly considered.

I feel this can be easily explained with that Chris just didn't really... give a good reason lol. I'm holding onto my guns that Chris needed to go because that opinion of us three was unsubstantiated; why should, in theory, three people be considered suspicious simply because they wanted to play the game from the start? Is it not out of character for myself, Daniel, or you to be the first ones posting? Especially then continue talking about whatever into the next pages since we were the only ones there at the time?

I could dig through the things he's said and really delve into them, but everything he has said has been nothing but fluid from my POV. Do you really think he's said anything inherently bad because I don't see it... and what you said about him directing Tessa's vote doesn't really follow for me.

We could play the hypothetical game all day about what roles could or couldn't be in the game, but if I were a gambling man then Tracker is probably the only investigative role we got.

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If RibbitRibbon flipped red I'd be more inclined to reread Daniel, but beyond that the things he's said have been making perfect sense.

Yeah I do agree with you here: Meta-theorizing only serves as a distraction

not at this point anymore because two power roles are dead. i don’t think no killing the king power is optimal anymore, if there’s any left we risk losing them

I'm sorry, I don't track this statement. did you typo?

 

[voltairenism]

I feel this can be easily explained with that Chris just didn't really... give a good reason lol. I'm holding onto my guns that Chris needed to go because that opinion of us three was unsubstantiated; why should, in theory, three people be considered suspicious simply because they wanted to play the game from the start? Is it not out of character for myself, Daniel, or you to be the first ones posting? Especially then continue talking about whatever into the next pages since we were the only ones there at the time?

yeah cant rly sheep anything from chris sadly. i just think they were busy and not paying too much attention to the game

 

[Trent the Paladin]

I feel this can be easily explained with that Chris just didn't really... give a good reason lol. I'm holding onto my guns that Chris needed to go because that opinion of us three was unsubstantiated; why should, in theory, three people be considered suspicious simply because they wanted to play the game from the start? Is it not out of character for myself, Daniel, or you to be the first ones posting? Especially then continue talking about whatever into the next pages since we were the only ones there at the time?

I could dig through the things he's said and really delve into them, but everything he has said has been nothing but fluid from my POV. Do you really think he's said anything inherently bad because I don't see it... and what you said about him directing Tessa's vote doesn't really follow for me.

We could play the hypothetical game all day about what roles could or couldn't be in the game, but if I were a gambling man then Tracker is probably the only investigative role we got.

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If RibbitRibbon flipped red I'd be more inclined to reread Daniel, but beyond that the things he's said have been making perfect sense.

I mean out of the three of us, I still think someone in the group is bound to be mafia. Flimsy reasoning maybe, but I do agree that someone "strong" is bound to have swooped in.

I don't think Dan has said anything wrong but like something rubs me wrong and I can't figure out what. Maybe I'll sleep and think on it.

 

[ribbitribbon]

I'm sorry, I don't track this statement. did you typo?

i meant if king can no kill they shouldn’t

 

[N e s s]

I mean out of the three of us, I still think someone in the group is bound to be mafia. Flimsy reasoning maybe, but I do agree that someone "strong" is bound to have swooped in.

I don't think Dan has said anything wrong but like something rubs me wrong and I can't figure out what. Maybe I'll sleep and think on it.

I'll encourage you to be the one to pursue that if you think of anything. I don't find it out of the question that the three of us are just town really. If it makes you feel better though maybe I can adopt the point of view that Dan isn't as town as I'm blindly giving him credit for.

Anyone else in the thread that you think could be mafia? Don't think its going to be productive discussing who the three of us is evil in our triangle without a proper ISO or two.

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It would be funny to me if the team is Arstotzkan/Geoni/Gabby Ender tbh. I personally kinda feel like the team has one of the quietest players in it.

 

[voltairenism]

i dont think trent/ness/dan is the group we should focus, instead i need to go back to EoD to see who fed into the chris wagon
i think trent wasnt part of it

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any chance we are giving tessa too much credit? lol

 

[Chris]

It's a shame when people try so hard to fit their perceptions of playstyle into their neat cookie cutter moulds that they don't consider what other shapes the dough can take. Note that for next time! Ciao.

 

[tessa grace]

omg Ender what

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I guess you were right but not in the way we expected

if they flip red im suing

 

[N e s s]

Daniel has had a direct, genuine interaction or conversation with pretty much everyone in the game that hasn't died except for Geoni and Arstotzkan. The latter is mildly concerning but nothing that I would get in a fuss over considering the circumstances.

Any team other than Dan/Arstotzkan or Dan/RibbitRibbon wouldn't make sense to me. It would be useless to consider any kind of team with Geoni right now either (also, post #235 tells me that atleast Dan has been considering Geoni).

Dan is pretty town from what I can tell.

 

[tessa grace]

If Tessa actually went with who I would’ve killed she would’ve killed Gabby (but I guess we were both right in that Gabby did not redeem herself but the slot can). But also I didn’t make her kill anyone, she asked for opinions

^this
guys as much as i love to be pocketed by dan i was the one taking initiative and asking for input. so give credit where its due lol.

i also trust damniel's reads in this game, probably a little too much because he's the player i've played with the most, but also this just feels like town. he'd be playing a very complicated game based off of his actions if he were mafia.

that goes to say that i don't entirely tr him, as i'm still learning how to find maftells, and i think an iso is entirely due because a universal tr can be kind of maffy. biggest thing that's stood out to me sbout damniel is his activity. once we break through the sheer quality/number of posts we can get an accurate read.

any chance we are giving tessa too much credit? lol

HAHAHA i should really read through the entire thread before responding to people

i think a volt/ness king would be good. i'm also open to trent as our king. if i can get past our worldview squabbles and watch him hunt, which i feel like i've seen more today, i'd be intrigued to see who he'd pick

infact @Trent the Paladin can i get a readlist?

I feel this can be easily explained with that Chris just didn't really... give a good reason lol. I'm holding onto my guns that Chris needed to go because that opinion of us three was unsubstantiated; why should, in theory, three people be considered suspicious simply because they wanted to play the game from the start? Is it not out of character for myself, Daniel, or you to be the first ones posting? Especially then continue talking about whatever into the next pages since we were the only ones there at the time?

We could play the hypothetical game all day about what roles could or couldn't be in the game, but if I were a gambling man then Tracker is probably the only investigative role we got.

if tracker is our only investigative role i really don't think chris *needed* to go. in fact he needed to stay.
holding a belief that the loss of (potentially) the most important pr for our town was beneficial because their takes were bad, especially for your survival, has got me feeling bad feelings. unless i'm misunderstanding, can you dive into this?
i do agree that we shouldn't discuss pr/roles too openly. the setup is closed for a reason, and i think it could really benefit town if we tried not to have any slips. if maf really got shiny through skill and not out of pure luck, then we need to be careful.