voting is soon so i’m going to try to work this out while juggling other things irl so bear with me
from what i gather ness and ender are campaigning for king, both of which will likely kill oath for reasons explained above
i see oath as neutral territory, couldn’t you also read all of his lines as a frustrated town who’s lost interest in the game because of accusation? none of his lines have been spectacular but it isn’t fair to look at him with tunnel vision. i would also be very interested in damniel’s perspective on this because iirc he hasn’t commented on it at all.
it’s a little late into the day but i would like to say that at this point i would also like to be king. if tessa comes back i also am interested in her answer to this:
i’m gonna go off on a limb and assume most of the mafia haven’t been active recently because i’m fairly confident in volt being town based on our interactions and ness, ender, oath and annika i don’t strongly suspect.
No one has really pressured Oath the way Ness had so I let it be to see how he’d react, unless it got heated. The interaction between them kinda just feels like nit picking. But it has pushed Oath to interact more which is a good thing I think
Man this all just feels like a bunch of nonsense. Feels like nobody can just agree on something, it’s all he's X, no he's not X because Y, yap yap yap.
I mean that typically in this setup it seems likely that at least 1 of the mafias is gonna try and gun for king cuz of the control it gives wolves in terms of taking a kill out of town's hands + putting it in their own, and i think mafia's mindset would not be to entirely shut down the possibility even if they aren't necessarily gunning for it, at least imo
granted i do think there's some room for WIFOM there but just the way shiny went about it in paticular struck me as towny, but ig doesn't matter that much now that they're dead anyway
(ftr this is what I said since I don't think I can nest quotes: "but kinda would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise")
she was mafia in that game, the main way I read her is through the believability of her posts as I think she can find it difficult to replicate her believability as town tbh. I haven't really found any posts where i'm like 'yeah she doesn't believe this' in this game
I also somewhat read her on her tone of voice and I think that's another of the reasons i tr her this game, I think this game in particular she's playing p hard into her 'appear unbothered but actually being bothered' type of tone which I've seen exclusively from her as town
ngl reading through the more recent posts from ness, I feel a bit better about them. particularly in regards to the way they dealt with me, feels like they have been fairly inquisitive about me rather than just lazily leaning one way or the other. I don't really feel strongly either way in terms of their campaign for being king at least for today in terms of how they're gone about it, though I do think in general it's kinda greater than random chance that wolves would want to campaign for king rn for reasons previously mentioned
Also I wanna be king today, emphasizing that again. I didn't wanna be the king yesterday because other people wanted my ideal kill dead (Chris) and I wasn't fussed about being the one NK'd, was a bit of a gamble. Figured I'd only die if Chris flipped red, which even then I was betting they'd want a better target.
tbh I kinda like the transparency in acknowledging that they did want Chris to die and not really beating around the bush in saying it (despite chris being town), think mafia might be more likely to either not bring that up or beat around the bush?
Like I legit think Oath is in 1 of 2 spots: either he's seeing the writing on the wall and is trying to be confusing or he just wants to watch the world burn.. He softed again that he thinks I'm suspicious on the last page or two but I'm not going to clog the pages bickering with him over what he asked.
If I’m honest I’m not sure who I would want killed yet. I wouldn’t want you, volt, Tessa or maybe Jacob to die (I still think the shiny vote is towny but I’m considering volt’s thoughts on this). Everyone else is up in the air. I think at the very least you volt and Tessa are town
If I’m honest I’m not sure who I would want killed yet. I wouldn’t want you, volt, Tessa or maybe Jacob to die (I still think the shiny vote is towny but I’m considering volt’s thoughts on this). Everyone else is up in the air. I think at the very least you volt and Tessa are town
That’s pretty much it which is why it’s the low tier and I’m not as confident in it after talking to volt. But the vote is a very concrete thing v the vibes/words of people so there’s that
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honestly im not concerned abt this but ill give that you confronting me abt this feels good idk. it doesn't rly align with what i expected of your mafia playstyle
never said my reads are bulletproof ig
How about we all have a little pow-wow, lets calm down and have a reasonable discussion; anyone who is currently considered "suspicious" is welcome to join with their own input if they're so inclined.
If we're going to form a "towncore" then we should probably start to think who is realistically the most town here. I made a list on paper lat night of the players that I don't find inherently town and then I narrowed them down to the 5 names below.
I said earlier that one of these 5 has mafia: Oath, Arstotzkan, RibbitRibbon, Volt and Ender. The order of those is in the way that I want them dead. Considering Arstotzkan has a chance of dying no matter what, I reasonably think Oath is the best choice. RibbitRibbon, Volt and Ender all have points that make me think they're town and I'm reluctant to consider them on this list. If not them, then these players need to be considered:
Jacob, Annika, Geoni.
How do we feel about this? Is there a more solid "box" of players that we could create for PoE? I've already outlined why I'm not including my personal TR's on this list.
I mean that typically in this setup it seems likely that at least 1 of the mafias is gonna try and gun for king cuz of the control it gives wolves in terms of taking a kill out of town's hands + putting it in their own, and i think mafia's mindset would not be to entirely shut down the possibility even if they aren't necessarily gunning for it, at least imo
granted i do think there's some room for WIFOM there but just the way shiny went about it in paticular struck me as towny, but ig doesn't matter that much now that they're dead anyway
(ftr this is what I said since I don't think I can nest quotes: "but kinda would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise")
(this post is in relation to annika)
she was mafia in that game, the main way I read her is through the believability of her posts as I think she can find it difficult to replicate her believability as town tbh. I haven't really found any posts where i'm like 'yeah she doesn't believe this' in this game
I also somewhat read her on her tone of voice and I think that's another of the reasons i tr her this game, I think this game in particular she's playing p hard into her 'appear unbothered but actually being bothered' type of tone which I've seen exclusively from her as town
ngl reading through the more recent posts from ness, I feel a bit better about them. particularly in regards to the way they dealt with me, feels like they have been fairly inquisitive about me rather than just lazily leaning one way or the other. I don't really feel strongly either way in terms of their campaign for being king at least for today in terms of how they're gone about it, though I do think in general it's kinda greater than random chance that wolves would want to campaign for king rn for reasons previously mentioned
tbh I kinda like the transparency in acknowledging that they did want Chris to die and not really beating around the bush in saying it (despite chris being town), think mafia might be more likely to either not bring that up or beat around the bush?
when you have time can you talk about your reads? maybe in a convenient little list? mostly because i have none—or at least, none that feel like they're for good reasons—and want somewhere to start
finding it difficult to come up with reads i believe in tbh as well outside of you being town, more difficult when it's a lot of people you're unfamiliar with since my reads often come from meta lol
kinda lean on tessa being town overall, d1 they did a lot of poking around and trying to get reactions / responses from people (e.g #273, #357, a lot more examples exist tbh but lazy to put here lol) which strikes me as genuine solving and trying to get a read of things, on top of the more assertive tone at points also makes me think they believe what they're saying (e.g. #107 #110 #382). one point that kinda makes me sceptical on tessa though is that she did kill a villager yesterday with the king kill, which don't get me wrong i don't think is inherently a wolfy thing in itself since i think a lot of people would have killed chris in her position, but I'm kinda sceptical that not that many people are speculating it could be her because of that at the same time? I feel like if villager it might be a bit more likely that wolves try and use that point against her today, but im kinda shaky on that reasoning tbh and think my points for tring are stronger
I'm not too sure on oath, initially i thought they could be town cause of their carefree attitude d1, joking around about dying (not seeming to care too much about it), and also resistance to being king came across to me as towny, but in more recent posts they feel kinda... scared? which feels like a p big contrast. I think he is being pushed a bit more tbh so it kinda makes sense if he's a villager but the tonal shift is kinda throwing me off still lol
geoni is a weird one since they only have 2 posts lol, tbh a lot of it felt like filler just talking about mech which feels kinda easy to post as a wolf. wanna see more from them before I place a confident read there but would lean mafia atm
@annika what are your thoughts on my thoughts above?
