Thank you exactly this. While it's played with the innocent/girly look it's nothing sexualized about people into it and people need to learn to distinguish. And there are also a bunch of subcategories within the lolita fashion with everything from punk to guro and country sooo yeah. And yeah Lolita can also be a (nick)name as well.
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Thank you exactly this. While it's played with the innocent/girly look it's nothing sexualized about people into it and people need to learn to distinguish. And there are also a bunch of subcategories within the lolita fashion with everything from punk to guro and country sooo yeah. And yeah Lolita can also be a (nick)name as well.
I see alot on twitter and it bothers me.
Aging up a child character to make a pin up drawing of them is not okay. They sexualized a child but used the excuse 'I drew them as an adult to it's okay'. A canon child character made to be inappropriate and in sexual situations. I know it's not reality but it still bothers me people do this and say 'it doesnt affect how people see it' or 'it's a drawing it's not gonna hurt anyone/make anyone think a certain way'. Alot of people brush it off as okay since the character is aged up and it's not reality it's fake, but how do people not find that gross?
Aging up a child character to make a pin up drawing of them is not okay. They sexualized a child but used the excuse 'I drew them as an adult to it's okay'. A canon child character made to be inappropriate and in sexual situations. I know it's not reality but it still bothers me people do this and say 'it doesnt affect how people see it' or 'it's a drawing it's not gonna hurt anyone/make anyone think a certain way'. Alot of people brush it off as okay since the character is aged up and it's not reality it's fake, but how do people not find that gross?
Yeah that is kinda gross, I agree. Although I don't go look at these things so guess I should be glad lol.
Also I should say people who draws eg. loli games or stuff I highly doubt they go molest kids and remember these things have another culture where they are made, so I wouldn't cherry-pick this too much. The most sexual ones I've seen are pretty gross, though. Also if people see just a drawing of someone in like a bathsuit as sexual then you just have a disturbed brain.
I agree child-porn as actual pictures and videos of real people are incredibly and horrible gross but yeah sentencing someone for having a picture where a manga character eats a banana then no.
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there is that idea that u can be inspired by something graphic like that and then act on those desires, but i guess u can make the argument that any media like a graphic horror film can inspire someone in disturbing ways but its still highly unlikely anyone will do anything even if there is that small risk. there have been times where anime/manga cp and sexual violence has appeared on my feed for no reason other than to be incredibly insensitive or because theyr sick in the head which has affected me mentally. i will never understand why this is allowed on any social media platform because its "art".
Yeah there are always those extreme cases, although those should be able to distinct reality from fiction you'd hope, and the stuff appearing on feeds are basically ****ed algorithms, I get tons of weird stuff online and on insta. also honestly making a game like criminal girls is better than actual making such a jail, lol.
As for art status aren't there like tons of older artwork depicting children is various suggestive situations that could be as "innocent porn" as loli/shota work. I def. don't defend any real life molesters or anything but yeah what's allowed in "fine arts" is amusing..
And yeah I've played criminal girls which was actually amusing, but for me it wasn't sexuality that made it good, moreso punishing annoying characters lol
As for art status aren't there like tons of older artwork depicting children is various suggestive situations that could be as "innocent porn" as loli/shota work. I def. don't defend any real life molesters or anything but yeah what's allowed in "fine arts" is amusing..
And yeah I've played criminal girls which was actually amusing, but for me it wasn't sexuality that made it good, moreso punishing annoying characters lol
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Alolan_Apples
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Honestly, it doesn’t make it any better to sexualize adult characters. I agree it’s disturbing to sexualize canon child characters, even if you aged up, but even if they are canon adult characters, it’s still a bad idea to sexualize them, male or female. However, the sexualization of characters wouldn’t be the first thing I would censor if I were in charge of dubbing.
My priorities of censorship:
- Mocking on any religion - this is definitely the first thing I would censor, even when there is no threat of retaliation. This is very disrespectful and judgmental.
- Nudity - the higher the level, the more I would prioritize censorship.
- Sexual Content - not the language, but the actual depictions.
- Racial Slurs and Stereotypes - especially if done for comedy purposes (like how South Park handles it).
- Violence - at the most extreme levels
- Sexual Slang and Terminology - or sexual language
- Profanity - aka bad words
- Drug/Alcohol Usage - not as bad as most adult content, but still
- Violence - at most levels
- Politics and mocking on topical issues - still too controversial, but not NSFW
- Mild Language - like “sucks”, “crap”, and “damn”.
- Religion - anything else related to religion
- Violence - at the lowest levels
- Rude Language - like “stupid”, “shut up”, and “if I don’t want it, then why give it to me”
- Anything that are deemed offensive by SJWs, but not by most people - as long as it’s not part of what’s listed above.
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Alolan_Apples
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I wouldn’t. But if it is a kid’s show, movie, or whatever, why would you have the words “sucks” and “crap”? They may be good for PG-rated material, but not good for G-rated material.
Right at the bottom is good for media made for even littler kids. Bottom three are good for media made for kids. Bottom five are good for media made for teenagers. Top 10 are only good for adult media.
I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this before or not, but I’ve always believed the concept of both karma and luck to be really, really stupid. People tell me things at times like, “wow, you got really lucky.” No, I didn’t get lucky. It was a set of numbers, circumstances, and my own efforts that gave me the outcome I received. This is why whenever I’m talking to someone I don’t usually say “good luck”. I say “I hope you do well” instead.
Well they'd encounter later on anyway. Because it's expression that makes more sense rather than being like "poop" with a high-pitch voice
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Oh, I see. I apologize profusely for the misinformation of my statement. Thank you for correcting me!
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I think some of these are way too far. Once you give censorship an inch it takes a mile.
I simply believe that anything online that would be considered illegal in a real-life situation- threats of violence, predatory behavior, extreme nudity, harassment/slander- should be censored. At the moment they are not as well as they should be.
But swearing, religion, and sexual terminology? Absolutely not.
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Oh yeah I wouldn't say send someone to jail cause they drew an aged up pin up, I just find it bad. Bathing suits aren't sexual either (unless, like, it's really skimpy and revealing on purpose).
Yes, drawing adults in sexual situations is not good either, I don't really like it. Like, they really had to draw them like that? Okay suuuuuree. I ignore it to the best of my extent, atleast it's an adult and not a child. Not in support of that either.
Alolan_Apples
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I just posted that list to show what I?m more likely going to censor. I agree that once you start censoring anything at the bottom, censorship becomes ridiculous. But towards the top, I wouldn?t be opposed to censorship at all. In fact, I?m more for it.
As you see, I?m very sensitive to nudity. I?m also sensitive to graphic violence. But I would rather censor anything that mocks on any religion, and I would do it out of respect. Next in line to censor is extreme racism in media (and other levels of racism) to avoid any backlash against the creators as racism doesn?t sell well anymore.
From whatever I listed from 6 to 10 (or 6 to 12) is okay in my opinion. But if you?re making stuff for all ages (or at least the kids), none of that would be appropriate, which is why I would censor that in the first place.
The bottom five (especially the bottom three) do not need to be censored at all. I?m especially more passionate towards 14 and 15. 15 because of the political correctness issues over the last 10 years, and 14 because of how Total Drama Island got censored.
There?s a reason why I didn?t list highly illegal content on my censorship priorities. Illegal content is illegal, and anybody who makes media containing that would be in jail for doing so before anybody could censor the content. But if we bar all illegal content, basically anything is allowed in American media.
To add to my statement yesterday, I think we need to see problems of the debate of actual persons doing sexual/revealing things with/at kids as a real subject, and a person as 3d animated object in a swimsuit eating a banana for example. I mean if you are a pedophile or have pictures of real children doing things yes then you should be sentenced, but if you have like one picture that "might" be revealing that is not having child porn unless proven someone modeled for it.
Then again we have to look at individual cases. Like, say what if I have ONE pic from criminal girls game somewhere, it's a work of fiction and not really sexualized in that way it's basically innocent play that those -cons were originally and not pron(plus it was heavily censored here).
Then again we have to look at individual cases. Like, say what if I have ONE pic from criminal girls game somewhere, it's a work of fiction and not really sexualized in that way it's basically innocent play that those -cons were originally and not pron(plus it was heavily censored here).
Mayor Monday
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True, but we have to consider the underlining intent.
I just looked up the Criminal Girls game, and it was beyond disturbing. All the characters looked like nude, overly sexualized ten-year-olds in porn/pin-up/BDSM positions.
If you had one, clean picture from Criminal Girls- would it be a problem? Absolutely not- you're right. But what's the source material?
These kinds of things deserve to be cracked down on. When someone plays that game, how many of them are probably adults looking for a buzz? Not all, but possibly the majority. What kind of pleasure does that game provide in what it's showing? Sick, perverted pleasure.
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Yeah, and also what I wanted to take up as a problem that people are generalizing a lot. Also the game was censored a lot here, probably so they could even release it (like they removed screams and added more mist etc. which is perfectly understandable contrary to some dumb FE games censor).
And yeah while I don't collect clean loli or shota pics for a good reasons people need to see those lines individually in whatever case they go on when it comes to fiction. I see your point though and yeah while I enjoyed that game for rather innocent reasons, I know it's fiction and it was not that bad as some (fan)art wants it to be honestly. Neptunia or some other stuff are as bad. They could have made it with mature girls (we also got those games where u place ladies on like sawmills and they splat blood all over lol) and it'd be better honestly.
Also there are also of course people who can't handle that and got a sick mind and those shouldn't even touch it.
Also it's sad that originally loli and shota were childlike innocence pics rather than the child porn it's come to be and associated with. what's wrong drawing a superhero lil girl with a bikini if you can handle it's fiction.. yeah those sick minded pedophiles getting wrong ideas.. so yeah cover it up at least.
than again love that fine renaissance art can get away with whatever lol
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And too add, yes if someone had like 20 criminal girls pictures of the bad kind and then were found doing stuff to kids then it's obvious they are pedophiles affected by stuff, but yeah catch those and not someone having like an innocent kid pic from a game just because they had a prisoner dress and a small hint of bobs.
Mayor Monday
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My simple deduction is this- if the *insert whatever here* attracts that kind of reaction/crowd/intent, how good can it really be? If those are the themes within it, there's no justification.
But that's my opinion. I understand what you mean.
Alolan_Apples
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Moving onto a new subject:
I don’t know if I said it in this thread, but Hawaii is overrated. I think Florida would be a better state for a “tropical paradise”. Plus, Florida is more “southern” than Hawaii (but not as “southern” as Texas).
I don’t know if I said it in this thread, but Hawaii is overrated. I think Florida would be a better state for a “tropical paradise”. Plus, Florida is more “southern” than Hawaii (but not as “southern” as Texas).
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