WOOT AT FIRST 9/11 THREAD

Super_Naruto said:
STORMTROOPER88888 said:
Super_Naruto said:
@Zero: correct, this isn't nearly as devastating as Huricanes, which were forgotten, Tsunami which was forgotten after about a month. Everyone is just showing how selfish they are for only caring about a very small group of Americans.
A small group of Americans? There weren't that many American deaths in a single event since the Civil War... You are clearly the selfish one for not respecting other people's feelings. A hurricane has no where near the amount of deaths.
Okay, the hurricanes/tsunami had waaaaaay more deaths, 9/11 had waaaaaay less.

9/11 gets way more attention. Seems logic huh? uhh...not really.
The tsunami had more deaths, but 9/11 had almost two times the amount of deaths than Katrina.

And there is a difference between natural disasters, which have been happening for a very very long time obviosly, and a terrorist attack, which shocked the country... and it shows another person's hate for the country, made us realize what's out there. Not to mention that the tsunami did not happen here, I'm sure the people in Asia and India (etc) are a lot more caught up with the tsunami of 2004 then 9/11. We are not because it didn't happen in America. We aren't being selfish... we just aren't affected by something that didn't happen to us (other than the donations, etc.).
 
Im staying out of this, since I don't live in US.. I don't really care.. but, seriously, its overrated..
 
ZERO_13 said:
Im staying out of this, since I don't live in US.. I don't really care.. but, seriously, its overrated..
How can it be overrated? No one is rating these things... just because there are a couple shows on the Discovery channel, and a little bit on the news today does not mean it is overrated.
 
STORMTROOPER88888 said:
ZERO_13 said:
Im staying out of this, since I don't live in US.. I don't really care.. but, seriously, its overrated..
How can it be overrated? No one is rating these things... just because there are a couple shows on the Discovery channel, and a little bit on the news today does not mean it is overrated.
yeah, its only in all the newspapers, in "almost" every tv channel and maybe in radio (haven't heard radio today.. heh).

w/e.

*will not post in this thread from this post on*
 
ZERO_13 said:
STORMTROOPER88888 said:
ZERO_13 said:
Im staying out of this, since I don't live in US.. I don't really care.. but, seriously, its overrated..
How can it be overrated? No one is rating these things... just because there are a couple shows on the Discovery channel, and a little bit on the news today does not mean it is overrated.
yeah, its only in all the newspapers, in "almost" every tv channel and maybe in radio (haven't heard radio today.. heh).

w/e.

*will not post in this thread from this post on*
I think you are all looking at 9/11 like it's a football game or something.


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STORMTROOPER88888 said:
Super_Naruto said:
STORMTROOPER88888 said:
Super_Naruto said:
@Zero: correct, this isn't nearly as devastating as Huricanes, which were forgotten, Tsunami which was forgotten after about a month. Everyone is just showing how selfish they are for only caring about a very small group of Americans.
A small group of Americans? There weren't that many American deaths in a single event since the Civil War... You are clearly the selfish one for not respecting other people's feelings. A hurricane has no where near the amount of deaths.
Okay, the hurricanes/tsunami had waaaaaay more deaths, 9/11 had waaaaaay less.

9/11 gets way more attention. Seems logic huh? uhh...not really.
The tsunami had more deaths, but 9/11 had almost two times the amount of deaths than Katrina.

And there is a difference between natural disasters, which have been happening for a very very long time obviosly, and a terrorist attack, which shocked the country... and it shows another person's hate for the country, made us realize what's out there. Not to mention that the tsunami did not happen here, I'm sure the people in Asia and India (etc) are a lot more caught up with the tsunami of 2004 then 9/11. We are not because it didn't happen in America. We aren't being selfish... we just aren't affected by something that didn't happen to us (other than the donations, etc.).
Exactly, an Asian person means the same to me as a fellow American, not much. Do I really care if some random person dies, nope. Would I care if my grandpa did, yeah.
 
The point is that 9/11 should be put on the calander. In fact, it needs its own section in our history books.

But there are Americans who want to use this as a day off or try to make money off it to get money. The amount of the poeple that do this is just horrifying.

I think the terrorists' goals are to basicaly destroy America. If we take a day off from school and miss out on learning somethng sooner (we are also talking about begining of the school day) then the terrorists have won. If we take work off to go to a site for hours every year then the econemy slows down. It may not be much but it is something.

If we move on, the terrorists haven't won nor can they.
 
Minoranza said:
The point is that 9/11 should be put on the calander. In fact, it needs its own section in our history books.

But there are Americans who want to use this as a day off or try to make money off it to get money. The amount of the poeple that do this is just horrifying.

I think the terrorists' goals are to basicaly destroy America. If we take a day off from school and miss out on learning somethng sooner (we are also talking about begining of the school day) then the terrorists have won. If we take work off to go to a site for hours every year then the econemy slows down. It may not be much but it is something.

If we move on, the terrorists haven't won nor can they.
Once again, the proposal for that was discussed a long time ago and not many people agreed with it. Hence the fact that we don't get a day off today or anything.
 
STORMTROOPER88888 said:
Minoranza said:
The point is that 9/11 should be put on the calander. In fact, it needs its own section in our history books.

But there are Americans who want to use this as a day off or try to make money off it to get money. The amount of the poeple that do this is just horrifying.

I think the terrorists' goals are to basicaly destroy America. If we take a day off from school and miss out on learning somethng sooner (we are also talking about begining of the school day) then the terrorists have won. If we take work off to go to a site for hours every year then the econemy slows down. It may not be much but it is something.

If we move on, the terrorists haven't won nor can they.
Once again, the proposal for that was discussed a long time ago and not many people agreed with it. Hence the fact that we don't get a day off today or anything.
Thank you for going in circles, Storm :|

The idea that thousends of students are taking off school regardless is just plain wrong.
 
Minoranza said:
STORMTROOPER88888 said:
Minoranza said:
The point is that 9/11 should be put on the calander. In fact, it needs its own section in our history books.

But there are Americans who want to use this as a day off or try to make money off it to get money. The amount of the poeple that do this is just horrifying.

I think the terrorists' goals are to basicaly destroy America. If we take a day off from school and miss out on learning somethng sooner (we are also talking about begining of the school day) then the terrorists have won. If we take work off to go to a site for hours every year then the econemy slows down. It may not be much but it is something.

If we move on, the terrorists haven't won nor can they.
Once again, the proposal for that was discussed a long time ago and not many people agreed with it. Hence the fact that we don't get a day off today or anything.
Thank you for going in circles, Storm :|

The idea that thousends of students are taking off school regardless is just plain wrong.
Source?
 
Wow, does this conversation take you in circles...@_@

Anyways, yeah, I'm around the middle. This should be remembered, as it was an attack on us. We had, too, every opportunity to stop it as well. I was watching a special on CNN, and they even interviewed Osama saying the stuff. If they'd did that today with someone else threatening us like that, we'd have them bound, gagged, and shipped off to some secret prison or something. Thing is, we had every oppurtunity to stop it, but we didn't. We do like we've done a lot, underestimate our enemy. We underestimated in Vietnam, we underestimated with this, and we underestimated when we went into Iraq.

And, I can agree, we do overemphasize on 9/11 a little too much. I think the only reason, though, is because it's still fresh in our minds and the people that caused it are still looking to get us. As the years go by, most likely, it'll fade, like other things, and so will end that. I know, some people are exploiting an event like this for their own personal gain, which is, to me, just vile. And 9/11 should be a normal day, not only would that defeat purpose of what the Terrorists wanted, but I'm sure the victims would've wanted that. And, if you ask, yes, it is sad that almost 3,000 people died on that day, but we've gotta move on. Being sad forever won't help at all, it won't bring them back. I understand there are wives without husbands, kids without mothers. That is sad, but they will move on. Time heals all wounds. This lesson, I know about firsthand. And, if we were to make it so public, why not do the same thing with Pearl Harbor, then? It was pretty much the same thing. Or the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake? Or Hurricane Mitch, the most deadly hurricane to hit us? Yeah, we do need to tune down on it, but we shouldn't forget it. It should remain in history, but shouldn't stick out so much, like the founding of the nation or anything like that. It happened, it's over, and we repair, we rebuild, we continue.

Yeah, we Americans do think of ourselves as superior to others sometimes, and I really hate that. We're all equal, in every nation. An American is not superior to a Chinese person, nor to a Ukranian, or a South African. We're all the same, but yet with our slowly waining superpower status and everything, we've gotten "cushy and cocky", thinking we're better than others, and that's really ticked off the world. Frankly, I don't blame the world, I've had to put up with people like that before. And I don't like them. Could explain Anti-Americanism around the world, really.

So, yeah, that's pretty much all I have to say about this. I do think it is sad it happened, but it's over, we can't change the past, and we have to move on.
 
Governament has alot to do with it Bush isnt that great of a pres and im glad he cant run again and I personaly think that the one plane that was going for the pentagon those people didnt fight back I think that plane was shot down by those jets that wre sent but supppoadly never got orders to fire and the atttack on the wtc was a bad thing but the U.S should stop getting invloved with matters that dont affect us. wrer always in other countries doping things for them, we shoud let them destroy themsevels.
 
KatzMotel said:
The terrorists were not fighthing a war, they were not trying to conquer an area, they were not fighting against another amry, they did not have authority from their country, they did not use modern tactics.
In modern warfare, everything- civilian or military- is fair game. Look at what happened during the Blitz, or later, what the Allies did to Dresden during the Second World War. And what's more, I can't think of any tactics more modern than the asymmetric warfare used by the groups who attacked, and continue to wage war against the US and it's allies.

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storm writes: oops, i accidently clicked edit instead of quote
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PS- that deleted some stuff you posted :0
PSS- refer to minoranza's quote for what was actually posted
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Modern warfare sucks now i mean there shouldnt be rules in war and poloitces run the militray ever since Veitnam (sp) and it suck let the military do its job we should be doing like those middle eastern countries go to gurrilla warfare were out there just walking along and bam a ambush and it sucks for our slodiers we need to start letting the militrary run the military.
 
Modern warfare sucks now i mean there shouldnt be rules in war and poloitces run the militray ever since Veitnam (sp) and it suck let the military do its job we should be doing like those middle eastern countries go to gurrilla warfare were out there just walking along and bam a ambush and it sucks for our slodiers we need to start letting the militrary run the military.
Military laws and conventions have existed in one form or other for millennia- for example, the ancient Greeks had certain traditions that they abided by on the battlefield.

The more modern conventions created to deal with various aspects warfare (which were introduced way before the US defeat in Vietnam) are not bad things... they specify the treatment of prisoners of war, the treatment of the sick and wounded, and dictate how the civilian population should be treated in war.

In addition, the various 'rules' set up also distinguish between a proper soldier, which a uniformed US infantryman would be classified as, and an illegal combatant, which a non-uniformed freedom fighter or insurgent would be classified as.

Of course, these guidelines (for example and most famously, the Geneva Conventions) are never truly followed, and abuse, torture, murder, use of banned weapons and more still occur frequently. This is evident in the conduct in recent decades of the US armed forces, along with countless other armed forces from around the globe.

Beyond what I've already mentioned, do you honestly think the US armed forces could adopt guerilla warfare? It's a form of warfare for those that have to fight with limited resources, little to no air presence and very limited self-propelled artillery and tank units. The US has a shortage in none of these areas. What's more, guerilla warfare would also not be very viable doing what the US is doing- militarily occupying countries.
 
With out even bothering to read the thread, I doubt this is the first 9/11 thread.

The first would have come a few years ago.


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KatzMotel said:
Modern warfare sucks now i mean there shouldnt be rules in war and poloitces run the militray ever since Veitnam (sp) and it suck let the military do its job we should be doing like those middle eastern countries go to gurrilla warfare were out there just walking along and bam a ambush and it sucks for our slodiers we need to start letting the militrary run the military.
Military laws and conventions have existed in one form or other for millennia- for example, the ancient Greeks had certain traditions that they abided by on the battlefield.

The more modern conventions created to deal with various aspects warfare (which were introduced way before the US defeat in Vietnam) are not bad things... they specify the treatment of prisoners of war, the treatment of the sick and wounded, and dictate how the civilian population should be treated in war.

In addition, the various 'rules' set up also distinguish between a proper soldier, which a uniformed US infantryman would be classified as, and an illegal combatant, which a non-uniformed freedom fighter or insurgent would be classified as.

Of course, these guidelines (for example and most famously, the Geneva Conventions) are never truly followed, and abuse, torture, murder, use of banned weapons and more still occur frequently. This is evident in the conduct in recent decades of the US armed forces, along with countless other armed forces from around the globe.

Beyond what I've already mentioned, do you honestly think the US armed forces could adopt guerilla warfare? It's a form of warfare for those that have to fight with limited resources, little to no air presence and very limited self-propelled artillery and tank units. The US has a shortage in none of these areas. What's more, guerilla warfare would also not be very viable doing what the US is doing- militarily occupying countries.
Sure they can adapt and no its not for limited reasorces its a damn good stratgy that decreases casualties and is a fast way to take down a enamy and whats the use of those planes with stealth that cost millions of dollars they dont do crap but bomb a few places that arent to important they may have weapon stashes and the way solderis treat other countries civilians well they kill the enamyand now theyre being tried for doing thier job now some treatment isnt right but hey we got to be ruthless the same way they would be to us.
 
Sure they can adapt and no its not for limited reasorces its a damn good stratgy that decreases casualties and is a fast way to take down a enamy and whats the use of those planes with stealth that cost millions of dollars they dont do crap but bomb a few places that arent to important they may have weapon stashes and the way solderis treat other countries civilians well they kill the enamyand now theyre being tried for doing thier job now some treatment isnt right but hey we got to be ruthless the same way they would be to us.
Yes- it is for limited resources. They hide because they can't fight the enemy in the open and win.

What's more, it is not a quick way to take an enemy down. It's low intensity- attacks are sporadic and small scale, and designed to wear down the morale of the enemy troops. It is also difficult, if not impossible, to gain ground and keep it in and during an assault for a sustained amount of time, since you cannot afford to have a large presence, and will lack air, armour and artillery support.

If you want a historical example of the ineffectiveness of a force adapted to guerilla warfare in an assault, take the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam war.

The Vietcong, along with it's North Vietnamese allies and suppliers, was one of the finest guerilla forces ever to fight, and dealt the US army (and the South Vietnamese ARVN) a massive and humiliating defeat. Still, even during one of their finest moments during the Tet Offensive, they were unable to hold the city and sustained massive casualties. Though the offensive was a resounding success in terms of propaganda and changing American public opinion to the war, it severely depleted their resources.

Seeing as the US army's business is invading countries and assaulting strongholds, there is no way that this military doctrine could be of any use to them.

and the way solderis treat other countries civilians well they kill the enamyand now theyre being tried for doing thier job now some treatment isnt right but hey we got to be ruthless the same way they would be to us.
I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?
 
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