WOOT AT FIRST 9/11 THREAD

[Monkey09]

Sure they can adapt and no its not for limited reasorces its a damn good stratgy that decreases casualties and is a fast way to take down a enamy and whats the use of those planes with stealth that cost millions of dollars they dont do crap but bomb a few places that arent to important they may have weapon stashes and the way solderis treat other countries civilians well they kill the enamyand now theyre being tried for doing thier job now some treatment isnt right but hey we got to be ruthless the same way they would be to us.

Yes- it is for limited resources. They hide because they can't fight the enemy in the open and win.

What's more, it is not a quick way to take an enemy down. It's low intensity- attacks are sporadic and small scale, and designed to wear down the morale of the enemy troops. It is also difficult, if not impossible, to gain ground and keep it in and during an assault for a sustained amount of time, since you cannot afford to have a large presence, and will lack air, armour and artillery support.

If you want a historical example of the ineffectiveness of a force adapted to guerilla warfare in an assault, take the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam war.

The Vietcong, along with it's North Vietnamese allies and suppliers, was one of the finest guerilla forces ever to fight, and dealt the US army (and the South Vietnamese ARVN) a massive and humiliating defeat. Still, even during one of their finest moments during the Tet Offensive, they were unable to hold the city and sustained massive casualties. Though the offensive was a resounding success in terms of propaganda and changing American public opinion to the war, it severely depleted their resources.

Seeing as the US army's business is invading countries and assaulting strongholds, there is no way that this military doctrine could be of any use to them.

and the way solderis treat other countries civilians well they kill the enamyand now theyre being tried for doing thier job now some treatment isnt right but hey we got to be ruthless the same way they would be to us.

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

 

[dad2paisley]

We need to remember all those who lives where lost and the tragedy that our country let happen.

 

[Monkey09]

We need to remember all those who lives where lost and the tragedy that our country let happen.

We do but alot of this discussion is also about the war and polotics.

 

[KatzMotel]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

Killing innocent civilians for the 'good of your country'? That's obscene.

 

[Monkey09]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

Killing innocent civilians for the 'good of your country'? That's obscene.

Well if you think not really hell yea it sounds cruel and its not good no one really wants to do that but like I said somethimes we have to do things like that and it sucks.

 

[Propaganda Man]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

Killing innocent civilians for the 'good of your country'? That's obscene.

Well if you think not really hell yea it sounds cruel and its not good no one really wants to do that but like I said somethimes we have to do things like that and it sucks.

Just because we may have to do it or it is out of our hands doesn't make it right. As ironic as it may sound, one of America's goals is to not kill inocent civillains.

 

[JJRamone2]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

Killing innocent civilians for the 'good of your country'? That's obscene.

Well if you think not really hell yea it sounds cruel and its not good no one really wants to do that but like I said somethimes we have to do things like that and it sucks.

Just because we may have to do it or it is out of our hands doesn't make it right. As ironic as it may sound, one of America's goals is to not kill inocent civillains.

Bam is entirely right, I think you (monkey09) should play Metal Gear Solid, its has a really touching story (and its the best game ever too, if I do say so myself :gyroidtounge: ) it really does cover how the main character (snake) feels about killing inoccent people, because honestly they are people too, I think its how alot of soldiers feel.

 

[Monkey09]

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Just because we may have to do it or it is out of our hands doesn't make it right. As ironic as it may sound, one of America's goals is to not kill inocent civillains. [/QUOTE]
Bam is entirely right, I think you (monkey09) should play Metal Gear Solid, its has a really touching story (and its the best game ever too, if I do say so myself :gyroidtounge: ) it really does cover how the main character (snake) feels about killing inoccent people, because honestly they are people too, I think its how alot of soldiers feel. [/QUOTE]


I agree 100% Bam Bam To both you and JJ of course no one really wants to do that and I never said it was right or will ever think its right and maybe ill pick up the game and play it.

 

[Smart_Tech_Dragon_15]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

Killing innocent civilians for the 'good of your country'? That's obscene.

Well if you think not really hell yea it sounds cruel and its not good no one really wants to do that but like I said somethimes we have to do things like that and it sucks.

Just because we may have to do it or it is out of our hands doesn't make it right. As ironic as it may sound, one of America's goals is to not kill inocent civillains.

Bam is entirely right, I think you (monkey09) should play Metal Gear Solid, its has a really touching story (and its the best game ever too, if I do say so myself :gyroidtounge: ) it really does cover how the main character (snake) feels about killing inoccent people, because honestly they are people too, I think its how alot of soldiers feel.

I agree as well, if we are going to even think about going into a country and fighting someone, we should not kill innocent people. They are neutral, they have no part in this. Heck, they could even want us there. Not good to shoot your supporters, IMO.

 

[Monkey09]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. The innocent civilians are the enemy?

Well no, not all of them are alot arent innocent and sometimes we need to kill innocent to do whats best for our country and right now thats what we need to do.

Killing innocent civilians for the 'good of your country'? That's obscene.

Well if you think not really hell yea it sounds cruel and its not good no one really wants to do that but like I said somethimes we have to do things like that and it sucks.

Just because we may have to do it or it is out of our hands doesn't make it right. As ironic as it may sound, one of America's goals is to not kill inocent civillains.

Bam is entirely right, I think you (monkey09) should play Metal Gear Solid, its has a really touching story (and its the best game ever too, if I do say so myself :gyroidtounge: ) it really does cover how the main character (snake) feels about killing inoccent people, because honestly they are people too, I think its how alot of soldiers feel.

I agree as well, if we are going to even think about going into a country and fighting someone, we should not kill innocent people. They are neutral, they have no part in this. Heck, they could even want us there. Not good to shoot your supporters, IMO.

Read my other post Smart and they dont want us there they did and we helped them against the other countries that were invaiding and we trained them and gave them weapons for the war and now that same country is attacking us.

 

[KatzMotel]

Read my other post Smart and they dont want us there they did and we helped them against the other countries that were invaiding and we trained them and gave them weapons for the war and now that same country is attacking us.

You're... talking about Afghanistan, right? I can't quite understand- the way you are presenting your points is very muddled and incoherent. But uh, I'm guessing by the 'other countries that were invaiding' you are referring to the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union. In which case, I don't know how this would play into the treatment of innocent civilians at all. The US didn't train and give weapons to civilians... they trained and gave weapons to the militant groups. What's more, the concept of Afghanistan as a country doesn't really make sense, given that the Taliban rule of the country from 1996 onwards was only officially recognised by 2 governments in the world, as far as I can remember.