Mafia Wrath of the Egyptian Gods - Kingmaker (Game Thread) Endgame

[unravel]

Bianca, Sensai and tae too confident on this also im ****ing glad dolby lynch a scum i was righg afterall

 

[Biancasbotique]

Three more to go!

 

[Chris]

So much for "I'll be online all day". This illness is kicking my ass. Going to attempt to pull some thoughts together before EoN.

 

[Dolby]

Alright, I don't think I've had a chance to properly explain why Mog/Kermit and Bianca are townlocks.

Mog

The case for Mog being town based off of interactions with the likely scum team
Note: some stuff isn't included in here on the basis of it not being particularly relevant

It wpuld probably be Kermit solely based on Cleb. Normally Cleb is extremely like Dolby when he is mafia so I could base it off that. Kermit hasnt exactly been that helpful this game either.

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Albeit Cleb did drop out for a good reason so that affects my view too.

Sensai and waffles are nearly 100% mafia here and should not be allowed anywhere near the kingship. When asked by Heyden which of me, Tom, Tina, Glow, and Kermit/Cleb was likely mafia. Point here is that Sensai would not list a scum teammate here as most likely

I said I would answer this so here I am:

Heyden: Heyden yourself, I see as town. Nothing you've said stands out as scummy or raises alarms with me.

F11: I can't tell if F11 is busy or is just coasting the game considering being here from the beginning, f11 has made only 25 posts. Heck, Zendel has posted more and he isn't even in the game anymore.

Kat: Similar to Heyden, There is nothing that stands out to me as scum-related. Helpful and detailed reads, open and asking questions if something is off. I don't think either Heyden or Kat are scum.

ITYW: I'm unsure about how I feel about Waffles. I'm not a fan of their posts much. That could just be Waffles playstyle but imo I don't like it, no offence.

Cleb/Kermit: Kermit has made very little contribution however did join late in the game. There is one post that struck out to me:





Kermit states that he's important to the game but then says we won't get much information. Sounds a little contradictory if you ask me unless I'm misunderstanding what is being said.

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I'm still against a Tom lynch. There are more scummier people out there than Tom.

Sensai also isn't going to draw additional attention to scummate waffles by actually including substance on only him. IMO, extremely town-indicative

Waffles has pretty much never addressed Kermit, though she did address Cleb

Didn't really like the vibe of these ff people because they only post none or only one
1.) SensaiGallade
2.) Glow
3.) Cleb
4.) Tina
5.) Panda - been seeing her lurking whole afternoon in my time
** I have a feeling there are one or two in this list are scum

I would like to hear more from these following people:
1.)Tina
2.) xCleb
3.) SensaiGallade
4.) Byngo
5.) Jacob
6.) Glow

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I swear I've been staring this for more than an hour and why do I feel like its scripted?

Don't think she'd draw attention to Cleb/Kermit either, but there really isn't any meaty content for these scummates. Real meat is in Kat's reads

Other non-noob SRs:
PandaDarling - I can't remember her scumhunting whatsoever, let alone a productive post, and I know her to be a at least decent player so its really making me feel uncomfortable. Sure, she'd get mad over stuff and be emotional like she is now, but at least her posts at content. That being said, I'm a little hesitant because apparently her playstyle changed from what it used to be? If it has, I don't like it :/
KermitTea - I hope Kermit's gonna try to be more active, but I'm not liking her tone and self-pres attitude when she wasn't even the main one on the chopping block. I don't want her as our lynch atm though, I SR Tom more and she said she's important and a mislynch on that would be ****ing tragic. Her post on why she shouldn't be lynched bothers me in particular. I know you said you joined bc you thought you were gonna try to be a nice person but like, saying you're gonna get MK'd doesn't really help anything. Scumhunting does.
Tom - I don't think I need to go ad nauseum even more on why I SR Tom If he flips scum though, I think Sensai is town due to his push on Sensai just a lil bit ago tho. @People who say Tom/Panda aren't on the same scumteam, mind saying why? Everything between them I feel like is super awkward and fabricated.

Our 3rd party friend in the corner making poems:
Toadsworthy

Spoiler

ngl I'm kind of hoping Kermit gets mk'd now that she's asked for replacement since if she flips red like I'm guessing she will then I don't have to second guess my Dolby and Tina read and I'm REALLY not looking forward to having to look back through their posts and second guess literally every letter because they both feel town.

Pro Kermit-mk, but the fact that Kat purposely put her in the second (lower half) of her scumreads specifically also makes me feel her and Panda are town (I've seen some other evidence indicating that Panda is town, but I don't have time to address that in this post).

Just now? Howso? I read that as frustration way moreso than a towncrack, which I don't blame her, her irl schedule sounds like hell, but I'm not seeing towncrack.

And went on to deny that she towncracked, if you seriously think she's hard pushing a teammate, idk why'd she advocate a modkill, or why Sensai would bus her in that manner

I'm gonna be leaving these here because I doubt that many of you will sheep me and Heyden on this, and finding who's town is honestly easier than finding who's maf.

Bianca
I'm skipping all of the Kat stuff honestly, there's not really any "red flags" for Bianca's alignment aside from a consistant scum read on her. She's been hard scumread, but has had pretty much no mention outside of her reads

Damn after I check Bianca's post might be conflict my list I definitely agree with you Dolby right now I'm not comfortable especially with her style will change her to null.


I really dunno what's her meta which made me uncomfortable a bit



I was wondering what do you mean kinda don't get it.

Waffles took the first opportunity I gave her to sus Bianca, after having earlier TLed her. This is not the behavior of teammates. A scummate isn't going to take the first opportunity to bus a teammate who has the possibility to be lynched, and if they were teammates, I'd expect waffles to continue to default to her earlier stance rather than...

Bianca
Tom
Evan
Panda
F11
Sensai

Tbh it would be either Bianca or Tom but really leaning towards Bianca and to be honest I really dont like how Bianca respond in game esp the meta and post about Ryumia and cleb its too vague tbh

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Wtf grammar waffles go to sleep smh

...advocate for Bianca's lynch if Bianca was a teammate

Biancasbotique
Mind you that Glow and Chick have similar suspicion: bianca and heyden
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...Game-Thread)&p=7677095&viewfull=1#post7677095

Already stated my thoughts on Bianca
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...Game-Thread)&p=7675438&highlight=#post7675438

It's really true that Bianca is always sketchy in other games now I honestly think that I overanalyze stuff and begining to think that im now a lynch bait cuz I always talk about Bianca andddd heyyy tbh was really too blind with my emotions arguing while trying to analyze this now I kinda know my playstyle now (disappointed self), right now I really dunno what to think of Bianca there are other players to deal with, best suggestion is let the vigilante decide whether to kill her or not so gonna rely on ya vig you decide.

If the detective investigate players especially on me, bianca, heyden and toads it would be much appreciated if you put this on your will.

waffles continues this by listing Bianca as here top sus, again, this is not the behavior of teammates. Looking at waffles and Kat, I'm honestly comfortable with saying that Bianca is 100% town

Here Bianca is agreeding with my statement about newer players becoming Kingmaker however wants Vanessa to be it. This may be cause of salt from the last game or some sort of alliance. However I dint see Vanessa as scum.

Bianca did later begin sucking up to Dolby and talking about Ryumia a lot

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Here

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#Obsessed

Pretty much the only interesting thing about Bianca from Sensai D1 tbh, and really doesn't lean one way or the other. Sensai's D2 reads look really good for Bianca, being one of only two scumreads

Bianca - Bianca started off this game in a similar position to how she did in Caxnival; very little posting and when she did post, it wasn't very informative. Now as the game has progressed, I've noticed how she is very keen that certain people being scum "by instinct". Bianca was very obsessed with making Vanessa King which I can see in a situation where Vanessa is town and Bianca is scum, howver I think that's unlikely this game as of recent. She is very keen to lynch Trundle and Ryumia and would skip a heartbeat to do it if she was King



Without any actual valid reason apart from instinct, it makes Bianca a strong spot for mafia.

The other being Ryumia, who also flipped town

I would lynch ITYW or Bianca. ITYW posts are just a mess and provide little infomation to what we need. I also don't like their playstyle much either. Bianca is doing nothing good for town. As far as I've seen, the majority of her recent posts are all about Ryumia and Trundle being scum and how she would lynch them if she was King. Like, how is that helpful in this current moment of time? We get you would lynch them but constantly repeating it is just annoying af.

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Maybe ranted a bit too much there :/

Tom scumread Waffle, Bianca, Kat (partially town), F11 and myself. I'm putting it out there I am not mafia. Believe it if you will, mafia know exactly who is town and who isn't.

It would be a wise idea to look into Waffle, Bianca, F11 and maybe Kat.

We look into F11. So far the most inactive player from the start.

Bianca, rather that constantly repeating that you would lynch Trundle or Ryumia if you were King, please please PLEASE give us a reason to put some faith into you.

Included for future referance

Well yes. If you didn't witter on so much about Ryumia and Trundle being scum then I would've thought otherwise. That and your lack of contribution is also a factor.

If you want me to change my mind, then you gotta show some dedication to this game unlike you have so far. Obviously you have a life to live outside this game and I respect that, but more of a contribution would be so much nicer Bianca.

Should be pretty clear from all of this that Bianca and Mog are town. Some people don't think that (and a few of them HAVE to be town), so I'm including this purely for their sake. Will analyze Panda,f11, and tae later, but I'm leaning to tae being maf out of the three. Done in a class period where I should have been working, and decided that this was easier, though not really as worthwhile for the future

 

[SensaiGallade]

I hope you eat your hat Dolby when I'm killed/lynched

 

[PandaDarling]

Thank you Dolby for spending the time and effort on that.

 

[Chris]

Will analyze Panda,f11, and tae later, but I'm leaning to tae being maf out of the three. Done in a class period where I should have been working, and decided that this was easier, though not really as worthwhile for the future

Your mog town case is solid. No way would have Kat been for mod-killing a scummate and pushing her so heavily if she was really that close to a maf victory.

I've not read thoroughly through Waffles/Sensai ISO's yet to comment on them since Kat's flip, but I'm agreed with you on tae. Reasoning being:

i mean, how does keeping survivor alive benefit town much?
can someone explain that to me please.

who wants to openly keep around a liability who point blank just announced that if we don't do what he wants he's just gonna start rooting for mafia instead of town. l o l

This reads to me that Tae believes Heyden truly was shot by Toads, and is subtlety trying to push the Lynch in that direction. Scum would not want to take the risk of keeping an SK in the game. He was also quick to mention he thought Heyden was lying after Tom/Toads true roles were revealed - not even really considering Dolby?s theory that a third kill could theoretically have been possible from the scum team with a ?-shot strongarm. IDK about everyone else but my first assumption on Heyden's flip was Dolby's theory was most likely correct.

Ya I've always struggled with this as well I don't see the point in keeping a non hostile TP around when there's a chance or A.) not telling the truth and B.) if true can side with Mafia.... but I guess if they are telling the truth I guess it's kind of a waste of a lynch or vig shot or whatever ? I dunno.

Interestingly enough, Panda very quickly agrees with Tae. Panda/Tae pair possible? [No. Read on to see why.]

and who goes to say he even is a neutral third party?
it just rubs me incredibly wrong to put any faith in a third party at all. bc ya sure he SAYS hes neutral third party or to quote him "non-hostile third party" but wheres the actual proof? there is none. it's a 100% gamble. and i'm not comfortable with a gamble. town can't afford a gamble after looking back on who's already dead.

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and in all honesty i feel like claiming any type of TP role so early on is always somewhat scummy.
who's to say a tp claim isn't just used to keep people on their toes the whole time, disguise themselves in plain sight for all to believe the chaos that is every ****ing third party role ever.

Although, with Panda?s support on the issue Tae then begins to put out a more active case. This would then make me question if Panda/Tae truly is possible. I think this would be a dangerous move for scum - like how when Caleb doubled down on Dolby when I was already pushing a case on him in BotW. I remember mentally wanting to kick him because that just created an association between us. So, instead of a tae/Panda pairing - it instead makes me think that Tae passively put out a comment, waited for a town player to back it, and then took that as the confidence boost needed to go more aggressively with the push.

Ya exactly, and he said "well let's just wait and see the kills N1" but that doesn't prove anything either we don't know exactly how much KP Mafia has and also if he's SK he can hold his kills.... in with you Tae it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Panda proceeding to comment on it in gives me mixed feelings though and makes my head hurt. I don?t think she would have jumped back in on this if they were paired together in order to avoid being linked when one of them flips. So, of the two of them, I feel Panda is more likely to be town than tae.

Either way, Tae was quite obviously against this third party player and may have been convinced he was hostile and described his thoughts on a King Toads as ?uncomfortable?. Whereas he was simply ?against? crowning Trundle or Jacob as he stated in #907. Both players well town-read at this time. This difference in terminology makes me think he was genuinely uncomfortable with a Toads King whereas simply didn?t want to see town get the role.

But, to remain focused on Toads. Who was Toadsworthys scum reads at this time? He had been pushing Arstotzkan towards the end of day one in #608 and #627.

Spoiler: I think you kind of covered this bit about Waffles in your own post so I'm gonna spoiler it for convenience.

Of Dolby?s six names he was willing to Lynch between day one, here was Toads ranking (#591):

?F11, Panda, Evan, Bianca, Gallade, Tom... in descending scumminess?

What?s worth noting here is ITYW (#594) had a very different list to Toads, who we now know was not acting against town?s best interests.

?Bianca, Tom, Evan, Panda, F11, Sensai? - and in a separate stated most heavily wanted to see Bianca/Tom go.

 

[Chris]

Actually in hindsight I realise that first tae quote came before Heyden's shot claim/Tom's flip. Still a potential fear of Toads being SK though.

 

[Dolby]

Panda, can we get full reads from you?

 

[PandaDarling]

Panda, can we get full reads from you?

Yes definitely, I gotta Dinah a couple errands and end. I get home before EoN I will have them for you guys.

 

[Chris]

arstotzkan - what the ****
tina - how did all three
dolby - of you make it this far

This quote just flashed back into my head while in the bath. I remember commenting on it yesterday. But now seeing how Kat flipped it is very telling that Tae refused to take a stance on me/Kat/Dolby. But then later said he was town-reading me for my massive post at end of N2 and that he felt scum lay in Dolby/Kat. Buuuut this reads list was posted after I made that post so there is no reason he should have changed his read on me. I think he deliberately left his reads empty on us so he had flexibility later in day.

Going for food just wanted to bring this up while it was in my head. Right now I am sticking by my slight TR of f11 and I believe Tae is scum over Panda.

Sensai/Waffles/Tae.

Also, another quick thing - Sensai & Waffles both listed three scum reads in their latest reads posts. They contained each other, Tae, and Bianca. I believe that they both posted 2 scum / 1 town. With Bianca being the town in both thier lists.

Interested in seeing Pandas thoughts.

 

[Chris]

Also Sensai's "ok lynch me but you'll regret it" is the top #1 most used scum defence in the book.

 

[Dolby]

Actually, Sensai’s most recent was waffle/Tae/f11, not waffle/Tae/Bianca, though I do think that same conclusion can apply

 

[SensaiGallade]

These big posts trying to prove I'm scum are so laughable. Theres no point in trying to defend myself ?\_(ツ)_/?

 

[Heyden]

Waffles was mafia fodder, I'd like to believe they wouldn't bus her D2 if janitor/roleblocker. Lowkey want Sensai first.

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These big posts trying to prove I'm scum are so laughable. Theres no point in trying to defend myself ?\_(ツ)_/?[/QUOTE
Are you janitor or roleblocker????

 

[SensaiGallade]

Neither

 

[Heyden]

Neither

Ah okay, goon... Are you cop sniping or going for Jacob/Bianca the easy kills? Seems to be a trend with Chick and Vanessa.

 

[SensaiGallade]

Ah okay, goon... Are you cop sniping or going for Jacob/Bianca the easy kills? Seems to be a trend with Chick and Vanessa.

Youre really doing a terrible job of scum hunting arent ya

 

[Biancasbotique]

God I hope the doc protects the right one.

 

[f11]

I have a feeling day 4 will be a good one (((((