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[N e s s]

Ness, what's your role name?

Knew this one was coming, and this is the only answer i can give: I am unable to disclose information about my role at this time. After the election is over, everything will be explained. I can promise you however that I am blue, there is just a large restriction I have that I can barely talk about at this moment. If you just put your trust in me, then I will publicly reveal my role and role name soon enough. If I speak too much now, it will result in my demise.

What I am saying is that it comes off as overly deliberate. You were acting like you knew who one of the blues was before you revealed it as yourself and that is what I was talking about. But if there is anything I'd want to hear from you it's a fuller Waffles read.

All right, thank you for clearing that up. The issue I have with Waffles is that she just seems off; as if there is something underneath that they're timid to let out. The first thing that pinged me was this post:

Im kinda fearing Dolby tbh like what if this time hes a scum I usually see him as town yanno and it would be really a risk if we rush off voting him just saying

It honestly didn't make sense; it felt as if she was trying to dismiss a Dolby presidency as if she had someone else in mind. There was no reason to be "fearing" that Dolby was scum; so what purpose does it have? She said that she was fearful of a Dolby presidency (keep in mind that this isn't even one page into the game), she also said this for her RQS:

Who do you want to be President? Who is more logical and good at scum hunting

So yeah, that striked me as wishy washy at first. I also disliked how she used Vanessa as an example of how she would be a better candidate then Dolby, which once again, 1. There was barely any content to suggest Dolby was a sketchy candidate, and 2. Yet another example of someone using Vanessa as a good candidate example for next to no reason (cough cough Toads/Jacob, but I'm kinda starting to get a little bit more null with these two then suspicious).

Last thing was this:

PunchyDaHufflepuff: Somewhat confirmed town? Him and Dolby are apparently masons together, which I can believe.

Didn't like Dolby mention punchy having a different wincon what????

I feel as though Waffles should have known that it was crystal clear that Punchy didn't have a different win condition than Dolby.

Yeah thats about it.

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Lol ness is avoiding answering like I did when I made my fake role. I see him viewing and ignoring my question

1. Stop posting.
2. You can't even see me, i'm on invisible 24/7.
3. Stop posting.
4. Stop acting like you're king of the world; you are being an annoying child.
5. I think its past your bed time. Mom might get upset with you.

 

[Jacob]

I was put under the assumption that the president's body guards protect him from an unlimited amount of shots, how do the body guards work?

@Dolby, if the body guards only protect from one or more limited number of shots (I'd assume more by the plurality of "bodyguards") It would still be beneficial for town if the mafia wastes multiple shots on a singular player, and they would never go through with a waste of time like that unless a blue role was elected as president.

 

[Dolby]

I was put under the assumption that the president's body guards protect him from an unlimited amount of shots, how do the body guards work?

@Dolby, if the body guards only protect from one or more limited number of shots (I'd assume more by the plurality of "bodyguards") It would still be beneficial for town if the mafia wastes multiple shots on a singular player, and they would never go through with a waste of time like that unless a blue role was elected as president.

Yeah, go back to the OP of mafia's 2 and 3 (the really old ones on the back page)

Basically, the way I took it, the President is night-immune so long as the bodyguards are alive. BGs are converted from townies after the election (to keep a President from being able to guard themselves), and serve to make the President night-immune to kills only so long as they're alive

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I was put under the assumption that the president's body guards protect him from an unlimited amount of shots, how do the body guards work?

@Dolby, if the body guards only protect from one or more limited number of shots (I'd assume more by the plurality of "bodyguards") It would still be beneficial for town if the mafia wastes multiple shots on a singular player, and they would never go through with a waste of time like that unless a blue role was elected as president.

Yeah, go back to the OP of mafia's 2 and 3 (the really old ones on the back page)

Basically, the way I took it, the President is night-immune so long as the bodyguards are alive. BGs are converted from townies after the election (to keep a President from being able to guard themselves), and serve to make the President night-immune to kills only so long as they're alive

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Mk I really don't trust ness now why why why why breaking this up into comprehendable parts mentally. So ness wait a minute.

 

[Jacob]

@Dolby continued, And in terms of not being able to check Ness's role based of the first night's action, we can always try again the second night. If he fails to prove himself by that time, we lynch him. There is also the possibility of someone else counter claiming. Ness claiming blue is so extremely risky as mafia, and holds such minuscule benefits in comparison

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Yeah, go back to the OP of mafia's 2 and 3 (the really old ones on the back page)

Basically, the way I took it, the President is night-immune so long as the bodyguards are alive. BGs are converted from townies after the election (to keep a President from being able to guard themselves), and serve to make the President night-immune to kills only so long as they're alive

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Yeah, go back to the OP of mafia's 2 and 3 (the really old ones on the back page)

Basically, the way I took it, the President is night-immune so long as the bodyguards are alive. BGs are converted from townies after the election (to keep a President from being able to guard themselves), and serve to make the President night-immune to kills only so long as they're alive

Oh, so bodyguards are actual players? I thought it was like just an extra few lives. That kinda changes my perspective on the game a lot

 

[Dolby]

Yeah @Jacob, I don't think he'd do it as mafia, I'm just concerned that he could be third party with the win con of being elected

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Ness are you using a bedtime as an excuse to make me stop posting? Lol. I agree with your points on Waffles.

 

[N e s s]

Mk I really don't trust ness now why why why why breaking this up into comprehendable parts mentally. So ness wait a minute.

All I can tell you is that I cannot disclose information about my role at this moment.

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Yeah @Jacob, I don't think he'd do it as mafia, I'm just concerned that he could be third party with the win con of being elected

Look; we all agreed that the wincon of you and punchy trying to have eachother elected would be really implausible. With a strong power role such as president, I believe it wouldn't be wasted with a 3rd party winning if they get president (which would already be hard enough.)

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I'm really skeptical about ness rn he's confusing me.

 

[Jacob]

Yeah @Jacob, I don't think he'd do it as mafia, I'm just concerned that he could be third party with the win con of being elected

Didn't you already discredit this possibility when it applied to you and Punchy?

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Yeah @Jacob, I don't think he'd do it as mafia, I'm just concerned that he could be third party with the win con of being elected

Didn't you already discredit this possibility when it applied to you and Punchy?

 

[Dolby]

Didn't you already discredit this possibility when it applied to you and Punchy?

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Didn't you already discredit this possibility when it applied to you and Punchy?

The difference between me and Punchy was that his wasn't a clean break and he didn't know the role name (I look like such a hypocrite rn I know), and that Trundle would remove two people after losing

Though Ness did accept the calim as legit iirc, so that's points for him

 

[Byngo]

There's no rule that just straight up states that just because somebody claims blue that they have to reveal what blue they are because what if he was a bomb, for example? ijs

A SK definitely would because it's definitely a deceptive solo move and protects them from a mafia or vig kill. But fakeclaiming isn't on its own scummy if it is done by someone who wants the presidency because they want it. I'm just pointing out the deliberate characteristic of it because I want to keep it in mind as I develop further reads on him as the game progresses. Furthermore, scum can still hella benefit from presidency. Protection from vig and SK and double the vote could determine whether a mislynch can be made to happen. I don't know why you'd just straight up dismiss it because it's risky because said mislynch can happen from either alignment and that president can get away with not being lynched over it because it's early game and mislynches happen.

Not gonna blow this up more than it needs to be though because like I said I just want to call it out and keep it in mind. It's gotten some good reaction, at least.

i mean yes those r possibilities but i subrscribe to Occam?s razor in maf. imo of all possibilities, the likely one is he?s actually blue. also im inclined to believe him since i tl?d him anyways

quick sus: Jacob is reminding me of how he played in botw mafia, but that?s just from memory so i?ll at some point skim through his posts in that game for a more concrete comparison

 

[glow]

alright i take back all my reads except for the one on toads

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i also think jacob's mafia now tbh he has way too many empty questions

obvtown: runeraider, ness, dad

i wouldn't be entirely surprised if dolby + punchy were lovers or someth but personally i think they're just not worth sorting right now since they're not mafia either way

this is useless rn, but i'm noting it anyway-

not teamed:
bianca/vanessa
ness/toads
dad/tina
vanessa/rune

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[[[[whoever susses me for inactivity can burn in the same fire this websites servers are burning in]]]]

 

[Geoni]

Dude, when has anybody, as maf, in the entire history of TBT mafia, been able to guess somebody's exact role based off their flavor name in a closed setup

Well there haven't been too many times in the history of TBT mafia of people providing their role name and not also what they are. And just because it hasn't doesn't mean it can't.

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not teamed:
bianca/vanessa
ness/toads
dad/tina
vanessa/rune

Where is Dad/Tina coming from here? Random as hell. And there are more than four. This listing comes off as odd although the Vanessa ones are obvious.

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Oh and @ Ness: Thanks for all that work with Waffles, I will be lazy and just reflect on that. I agree with some of it and will be interested in seeing if they are capable of contributing. Because that is where I think the wishywashyness is coming from: an incapability to contribute to the game, not in a good way but in a way that shields hesitation with a joking attitude.

 

[illunie]

Really, I don't see what Rune is saying that even if I was mason why he wouldn't want me to be president (besides Ness's claim now)

ok, so imo neither dolby nor punchy should be elected pres for all three possibilities of their allignments, lemme explain in more detail.

1. third party, wc being voting each other pres: obviously shouldnt be pres since theyd win
2. mafia: obvious, since wed rather have town as pres
3. town alligned masons: little more complicated, but basically dolby and punchy are already confirmed town tomorrow. mafia is unlikely to kill one of you, since that would mean a confirmed town which could be saved by doc (im assuming theres a doc) and protected from harm. its much more efficient for the role of pres to be given to a blue role who can have unlimited protection from nks, while a pres on one of you basically just amounts to a protected townie. its simply more effective to give it to a blue role instead of a town, especially since you two already have pseudo protection from nking.

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i wouldn't be entirely surprised if dolby + punchy were lovers or someth but personally i think they're just not worth sorting right now since they're not mafia either way

quick question, is lovers the same as mason or are their differences on here? my memory of lovers is that both of them are killed if one of them dies, and they dont share and kind of chat, while masons are just normal townies which happen to share a chat. would like some clarification on the roles in the context of tbt

 

[Heyden]

Yay we're back, I skimmed through a bit this morning before the website crashed but whatever.

What is your general experience with mafia, including in games with elected roles? Like 40 games and a couple of elected games if Kingmakers count? idk
As mayor, how do you intend to use your role? Double vote so I can lynch SCUM, but honestly I lowkey know I won't be elected so idrc
Who do you want to be President? Glow or Dad bc they die easily and are generally helpful
In an anomymous election, is there ANY situation (as town) in which you would lie about who you voted for?Ya definitely, I always lie as town if I feel it would benefit

Current thoughts;
Glow is probably bc she's obvious as scum, Rune is probably town bc from what I remember when he's scum he coasts immensely and in general refuses to contribute, and Waffles feels town af.

Punchy/Dolby are 100% masons, the lead up to their claim makes it obvious, not really sure if people are still debating against their claims, but ya, stop. Also Ness claimed blue I guess so he's town too? idk if I'm wrong correct me pls

Everyone else is sort of null, I don't particularly trust Vanessa/Toads/Jacob tho but can't be bothered explaining until an actual lynch cos I don't really have the motivation rn, so dont ask thx just stating for the record. Also Bianca pls don't be a useless vegetable like every other game.

Moreover, I think there's 4 scum considering we've got masons, doc, cop, president and probably vig or something, unless this games untraditional then meh.

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quick question, is lovers the same as mason or are their differences on here? my memory of lovers is that both of them are killed if one of them dies, and they dont share and kind of chat, while masons are just normal townies which happen to share a chat. would like some clarification on the roles in the context of tbt

Yeah masons are just 2 townies that share a chat.

 

[unravel]

Hello guys I finally got in the forums its been almost 2 days and I can't get it I was about to ask the host to look for replacement due to server error which really made me lack of motivation to play I'm trying by best what can I do and looking my post it seems REALLY WISHY WASHY AS **** I gonna admit I friggin yolo the game i can't see some post and what I see I just ****post

Dolby: Personally found this attack on Punchy really awkward (#39). Punchy wasn't attacking Rune in the referenced post, but instead urging him to post (I remember that it felt that Rune was lurking for literally two hours at the time)

Just making sure i mean you know newbie weird tactic they more active if they're blue/red

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I had to reread the thread and I have no argument with Ness' as I said earlier my post are really wishy washy af

"I also disliked how she used Vanessa as an example of how she would be a better candidate then Dolby"

tbh you were really right I ask myself yeah vanessa is like pure town and a decent candidate till I remember where she plays as scum and it took more than 2 weeks till yall find out she is scum yokes in short shes kinda good at disguise first game


I read somewhere that Punchy had another win con which made me confused a lot and had to reread everything before ****posting now I feel kinda confident with Punchy and Dolby also I'm slowly townleaning them both now

I personally didn't like how Toad's act towards Ness and Dolby what is ur frigging objective huh?

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Short reads for now I have to catch up and read everything again until I fully understand wtf is going on (NOT IN ORDER)


Townlean: PunchyDaHufflepuff, N e s s, Dolby,
Slight Townlean: Runeraider, glow
Slight Scumlean: Toadsworthy, Dad (Gutfeeling), Locket (Gutfeeling), Jacob

 

[Geoni]

Gut feeling. More like all feeling no guts. If you got a scumread on me and Locket lets see it.

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Also Vanessa, care to post why you like Waffle's post?

 

[unravel]

Lemme bet my kidney that at least 1 or 2 in my scumlean list are scum

 

[Geoni]

Okay, no explanation of the lean? Is your gut just rumbling our names?