Mafia Among Us Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[ribbitribbon]

i think tonally tn4u is maffy but then again this is how he talks

Trundle doesn't make obvious sense sometimes. Another reason why I view him town.

but this is why you fossed me and voted unravel later. it’s an exception in trundle’s case?

Well, I'll explain my obvious ones:

• Dolby: Eliminated and obviously flipped red. This read was created before he was confronted (and lied) about being the doctor.
• annika: She originally had me a bit uneasy, but I think she's less of a threat to the town now as she's pretty good at calling out potential mafia members. She'll most likely be needed for us to win. Hopefully doctor can save her a few times.
• N e s s: Killed by mafia. To be honest, he was pretty critical at identifying user post habits, and my lean on him became more null later on toward EOD. Sucks that he's gone now.
• radical6: Yes, she has a life, which is a legitimate reason why she didn't place a vote. However, her suddenly dropping out before the EOD raised an eyebrow. She views Frosty (you) as mafia due to "aggressive posts", which I don't really agree with.

As for the others, they either still have to place their thoughts on Ness' death or my opinion hasn't swayed all that much.

i don’t

There might be a case that the two had to find a way to get one ejected in order to protect the other. Dolby started that campaign early on, but didn't really catch traction as other users were on the hot seat at the time. However, we all saw what happened when Dolby slipped. Ribbit has done a good job at protecting their innocence since then, but I'm still not completely convinced.

do you still feel this way deep down? ik you put me in some townreads but sometimes you still have a tinfoil in your cabinet

that said, i remember trundle saying something similar, which based on this iso (i read all of these quotes ahead of time) would be a reasonable partner for tn4u. off topic— one thing going for trundle though is not talking about yoshi at all iirc. i’m not clearing yoshi but i do think there has been a push and a mafia member would hop on it regardless if he’s town or maf.

When did I ever say that you were lying about being cop? I saw and read the claim you made earlier; I truly believe you may be cop. Just because I worded it a certain way doesn't always mean I'm unsure. I don't know how else to explain it.


Look, Dolby gave me good reasons to believe he was town at first, and I was caught in that read for quite some time. Though you were correct that I gave concerns about some of Trundle's posts early on, the fact that I eventually learned that he likes to get people to react quite often whether for good or bad reasons subtracted wolf points in my opinion. He's attempting to get mafia to crack, and did his part in exposing Dolby.

i’m sorry what
trundle didn’t do anything to expose dolby. he in fact was adamant against voting him because he was pushing the possibility of doc!dolby

Let's try and investigate these users:

• radical6
• unravel
• mog

I know you have heavy town reads on some of them, but I would like to see some more information.

general thread consensus, nothing really stands out in this list

God, my brain hurts so much trying to convince some of you guys. I'm just trying to remain on cruise control with my thoughts, but the ride's derailed more times than I'd like to admit.


Let me answer your two main points first:

1. I'm becoming increasingly frustrated that you're continuing to incorrectly understand me. I'm not expected to just barge in here the exact moment you claim cop and immediately agree with you. I need time to actually read the responses and formulate a proper opinion. There have been so many posts to sift through back in D2, and my real life job has prevented me from remaining fully committed to posting. In fact, most of my time here has been spent trying to defend either myself or other players I read town, as I'm not the type of guy to confront others all the time. Yes, that is one of the main points of the game, but I'm letting others like you do the heavy lifting so I can gain a better understanding on who to personally vote for.
2. "I caught him and he started spewing" - Yes, Dolby slipped when you revealed all that information about him. That is what I meant. By the way, there are times when I simply don't want to answer you because it makes me feel like a broken record repeating things over and over, like my thoughts on your cop claim, and tie that to the fact that there have been so many posts to go through. It's alright to occasionally miss a couple posts due to the speedy rate they were coming in, but I'll say it once more: You've fully convinced me that you're the detective, and I will not be commenting on that any further. Let's talk about other things, please.

I wasn't intending on giving a new mafia lean on mog and unravel whatsoever. I simply don't feel super confident with my town reads as they haven't posted as much as the others. Either that, or the regular posters buried their posts and I simply missed them. All I want is some better understanding of what may make them appear wolf. That is all.

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Forgot to mention ribbit:

Ribbit has been making more understanding posts as of late, and my sus of them has dipped a bit as a result. The fact that they've made several town-friendly posts during and after the Dolby scuffle has sort of changed my opinion, and I get why they are sus of me due to my inconsistency. My thoughts race and become jumbled quite a bit, and that's who I am as a person. I can't really help it.

why then when trundle is not understandable is that towny?

that said i feel the frustration in this is genuine

Eh, they're pretty town to me. Very neutral-minded, but their posts always made sense in my eyes.

about yoshi
opinion changes shortly

I did believe Dolby for a good while, yes. My original thought was that he could be a good town mediator, but things fell apart near the EOD2 and he flipped red. I personally didn't believe his doc claim, and now my prior support of him looks pretty bad on me now. Oh well.

this is not tn4u specific; most people townread dolby

Hmm, that sounds pretty real. Here's how I viewed it:

• Dolby originally viewed me as mafia, but then became more null.
• I always viewed Dolby as town until the "doc claim" mess.
• I was originally up-and-down with Trundle, but my claim of town became stronger over time the more I saw his post habits.
• Trundle views me as noob town, and has always stuck with it.

I personally think he was attempting to set up Trundle for failure, maybe so that he could save himself and the other mafia members. Nothing has worked to get Trundle eliminated since (I personally think Trundle should stay), and if he was targeted N1, the doc knew to save him based off Trundle's EOD1 panic.

i’m not sure i understand if your read is your own or you like trundle because he townreads you. is this read your own or biased?

So you're still trying to rally against me, huh? I thought you were giving me slightly better reads than earlier on. Is there anyone else other than Trundle that you might have any suspicion on at this point, like Yoshi? Their quietness might be a sign...


Well, most of us did to be honest. I don't think voting for majority necessarily means you're not godfather.

I'll post my updated reads in the next hour or two.

weird yoshi push
we could flip yoshi potentially to confirm if it’s a maf driven push or not, but honestly i want another mafia to feel safe doing that. not out of the question though if you feel strongly enough about him

Alright, I'll stop. I deeply apologize for coming off as rude. I'm definitely not like this outside of the game, believe me. Mood swings are getting the best of me.

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So, let's see here. I didn't have much of an opinion on Lily at first, so at least my town lean on her ended up being correct. I wanted to give new reads on several of the users I haven't really paid attention to:

• voltairenism: They've been a bit quiet lately. I've seen them as more town throughout (and I'm going to stick with that), and they've given some good thoughts on several users in post #2,360. I wanted to bring up his thought on Yoshi specifically - if you look midway down, volt makes a (rather joke-like) claim that Yoshi's reads were borrowed/formulated from information found on the mafia Discord chat. It may not have been serious then, but considering Lily's killing and how quiet Yoshi has been throughout, it could be enough to give some suspicion.
• unravel: I'm not very sure of them (completely ignoring the two votes they placed on me right away as that's irrelevant), and really haven't been throughout the entire game. Dinosaur was basically given a clear green check by several users, and yet unravel still wanted more answers from them. There was a post they made about mafia not wanting to place votes for Zinnia, post #2,100. I voted for Zinnia, so why they've been highly suspicious of and voting for me since is a big question mark, really.
• Yoshi155: I'm starting to become a bit more suspicious. Their posting habits have been a bit questionable throughout, despite me always saying how neutral-minded they are. The post they made about voting radical (post #2,458) could've been a well-made lie. 10 players voted for radical. Any one of them could've been godfather to cover up any evidence of linking themselves to radical and the other surviving wolf. Pair that with volt's joke about their reads, and you may have a case of Yoshi being godfather.
• mogyay: I've dipped my opinion on them to a more null state. I will leave a note that post #2,322 has not aged well. Mog could've been throwing me in the mix to try and prevent radical from getting voted on. Whether or not Mog was trying their best to save radical still remains to be seen, but I'd like to see their thoughts after the start of D4.
• Dinosaur: I can safely say my read of them is TOWN. Post #2,365, despite not wanting to join the radical wagon at first, brought up a good viewpoint for both sides in my opinion. Forget the post counts - everything they've said from D2 on were legitimate points.
• EnderWiggin: I still don't really know. I look at post #2,310 on how he views annika town, then later on for post #2,316 on how he suddenly gives a wolf lean due to annika's post habits alone. Ender is likely town; he just seemed to be a bit confused at first due to being a replacement player and all, so I'll give him a pass.
• BetsySundrop: I'm more confident with them being town. They've made lots of legitimate points and town-like posts as of late (nearly to Frosty levels, though a bit less in frequency), so it's safe to say that I'm not very suspicious of them anymore.

Again, some of you may continue to view me as inconsistent, but keep in mind that I'm paying attention to more recent posts. So, here's my current list, and feel free to ask me for a new read on someone I haven't mentioned in this post that changed in position:

TOWN: voltairenism, EnderWiggin, FrostyAlmonds, Trundle, BetsySundrop, ribbitribbon, Dinosaur
NULL: annika
POTENTIAL MAFIA: unravel, Yoshi155 or mogyay

godfather!tn4u seems to reasonably pair with trundle and volt

i do not think gf!tn4u would bus, and his one person null list does not stand out

i wish dinosaur had more to say so i could analyze her better

This sounds like a desperation post coming from a mafia member to be honest.

I'm still going to vote unravel for the time being as I personally think they don't make sense at times.

oookay

that said if mog is blue, tn4u is setting up
if mog is red, i don’t think it’s tn4u as why bring this up in the first place

Well, I still think they're town. None of his posts on D4 were of any help into swaying my read in any direction, but the unravel result somewhat narrows down my previous potential mafia read to two: Yoshi and Mog.

Annika may likely replace Mog considering what took place. Unravel and Mog were pretty close to begin with, so my current read of Mog might get upgraded to null.

?????
not sure what this means


all in all i literally have no idea at this point. lots of these can read either way (maf or town), but there’s a lot of wolfy stuff in between the lines. you can probably tell i’m tired rn though, lmk what you think of tn4u from this though frosty and we can talk ab it

 

[EpicGamer12]

ribbitribbon - generally considered to be town, I honestly can't seem them playing as hard as they were for the first few days and being mafia. They would have slipped or something (unless I tinfoil ribbit/Frosty as a crazy mafia bus duo)
Trundle - I am town
EnderWiggin - I think Shiny was probably town but it's really hard to say. Our sample size for Shiny is super small. Their posts were honestly not very helpful - pretty bad game logic and reads. I think Ender has come into this game a little disinterested, and that makes me think he's still town. (and was cop checked right?)
mogyay - Unsure
annika - Unsure
TN4U - Cop town result
voltairenism - Unsure
FrostyAlmonds - Cop
Dinosaur Cop town result
Yoshi155 - Unsure

Basically, if Frosty/ribbit are as locked town as I would like to believe they are, our main point of consideration is whether one of the cop checks were godfather or not (Ender/TN4U/Dinosaur). If not, 2 goons in the remaining list (mogyay/annika/volt/Yoshi) seems a pretty easy win.

They always seem to be one of the last people to join a mafia eliminating wagon.

Same goes for you though I think between the inspection results, you would be my top pick for godfather given it seems like half the time you come into the thread and it seems like you just read mafia chat to form your opinions.

If I had to pick a vote target today I would probably prioritize mog again. I feel like mog is capable of a lot more than you guys think. She has been on the defensive literally all game and made you guys feel bad for voting her even though she literally has contributed nothing to solving (other than calling me mafia for sussing her).

If it's not mog I'd probably go for Yoshi next (policy kill AFKs). I know I mentioned around ~D2 that it felt like volt was pocketing me (which is how I felt towards Dolby and radical6 at multiple points in the early game too), but I can't imagine it would be the strategy of 3/4ths of the mafia team to pocket me lol

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i think tonally tn4u is maffy but then again this is how he talks

but this is why you fossed me and voted unravel later. it’s an exception in trundle’s case?

i don’t

do you still feel this way deep down? ik you put me in some townreads but sometimes you still have a tinfoil in your cabinet

that said, i remember trundle saying something similar, which based on this iso (i read all of these quotes ahead of time) would be a reasonable partner for tn4u. off topic— one thing going for trundle though is not talking about yoshi at all iirc. i’m not clearing yoshi but i do think there has been a push and a mafia member would hop on it regardless if he’s town or maf.

i’m sorry what
trundle didn’t do anything to expose dolby. he in fact was adamant against voting him because he was pushing the possibility of doc!dolby

general thread consensus, nothing really stands out in this list

why then when trundle is not understandable is that towny?

that said i feel the frustration in this is genuine

about yoshi
opinion changes shortly

this is not tn4u specific; most people townread dolby

i’m not sure i understand if your read is your own or you like trundle because he townreads you. is this read your own or biased?

weird yoshi push
we could flip yoshi potentially to confirm if it’s a maf driven push or not, but honestly i want another mafia to feel safe doing that. not out of the question though if you feel strongly enough about him

godfather!tn4u seems to reasonably pair with trundle and volt

i do not think gf!tn4u would bus, and his one person null list does not stand out

i wish dinosaur had more to say so i could analyze her better

oookay

that said if mog is blue, tn4u is setting up
if mog is red, i don’t think it’s tn4u as why bring this up in the first place

?????
not sure what this means


all in all i literally have no idea at this point. lots of these can read either way (maf or town), but there’s a lot of wolfy stuff in between the lines. you can probably tell i’m tired rn though, lmk what you think of tn4u from this though frosty and we can talk ab it

Genuinely a great post

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I wish I had the time to ISO like ribbit like the old days I used to be so good at solving

 

[Yoshi155]

Bro, unravel, I am so so sorry. I really thought you were maf

Well, now I have no idea who to vote. And mafia clearly doesn’t care who they’re killing anymore. I don’t know if it’s a good idea to majority mog or not. But if we agree to do it I’ll go with it.

 

[TN4U]

Oh boy. A long post about me. @ribbitribbon let me talk about Trundle for a minute:

I've discussed him many times, probably more so than anyone else except maybe Frosty. I'll just get this out of the way first and foremost: In no way does my read of him as town have anything to do with his read on me. Ribbit, if I had to be completely honest, I've been tuned in to what Trundle has to say at times more often because he likes to be the center of attention in this game. We all know this. He's started many wagons just to get reactions and for mafia to make their decision on who to kill next. My ultimate reasoning for viewing him as town were due to his completely random wagons and that panic he had about Zinnia. Yes, since Dolby flipped red, Trundle has been a bit more quiet since. As he's been accused of being godfather a few times, I'll try and identify his "tactic" from both perspectives:

• Town tactic: If Trundle is confirmed town, mafia is likely keeping him alive to help themselves as they know others will be sus of him throughout until he's voted off.
• Mafia tactic: If Trundle is confirmed mafia, then we'll know for a fact that he's a really pushy godfather that doesn't want to go kill anyone himself, letting the other mafia members perform the kills so he doesn't get caught by the watcher.

That being said, I still believe the town tactic is in play here. I'd imagine mafia isn't dumb enough to kill him early so that the random wagons will stop. If anything, I think Trundle is unknowingly helping the mafia win.

As for Yoshi, they've passed along some legitimate information that helps their town stance. I'm currently viewing them as potential godfather, however, as I personally think they might be getting coached well by the other surviving wolf. It's entirely possible.

I know my Mog read suddenly changed. If Mog and Unravel (who flipped town) were indeed working together, and Unravel was revealed to be town, then Mog is likely town as well. Volt brought it up earlier, and considering how similar the two are in post habits, that is why I feel this way. In my last read, I viewed Annika as null as I wasn't very sure at the time if she was a wolf. With Unravel being gone and my stance on Mog changed, I've decided to move her into my mafia lean list for the time being.

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Rip Betsy

Alright this probably already exists somewhere but I'm just gonna put all this info in the same place real quick.

Spoiler: Votes On Each Day

Day 1 Votes:
No elimination (2) - lily2816, ShinyDungeoneer
TN4U (1) - FrostyAlmonds
ribbitribbon (4) - Dolby, Zinnia., mogyay, Dinosaur
unravel (4) - Trundle, annika, radical6, N e s s
Zinnia. (5) - unravel, TN4U, voltairenism, ribbitribbon, Yoshi155
Trundle (1) - BetsySundrop

Zinnia. eliminated (Vanilla Town)

Day 2 Votes:
annika (1) - Dolby
Dolby (11) - FrostyAlmonds, annika, BetsySundrop, ribbitribbon, ShinyDungeoneer, mogyay, N e s s, voltairenism, Trundle, Dinosaur, TN4U
lily2816 (1) - Yoshi155
TN4U (1) - unravel
FrostyAlmonds (1) - lily2816
Did not vote (1) - radical6

Dolby eliminated (Role-Blocker)

Day 3 Votes:
Final Vote Count:
TN4U (3) - unravel, EnderWiggin, radical6
radical6 (10) - ribbitribbon, Yoshi155, lily2816, TN4U, voltairenism, FrostyAlmonds, BetsySundrop, Dinosaur, Trundle, annika
Did not vote (1) - mogyay

radical6 eliminated (Framer)

Day 4 Votes:
unravel (7) - BetsySundrop, ribbitribbon, TN4U, annika, FrostyAlmonds, Dinosaur, Yoshi155
mogyay (2) -Trundle, unravel
Did not vote (3) - EnderWiggin, voltairenism, mogyay

Majority vote: unravel eliminated (Vanilla Town)

So we got 2 (Goon and Godfather) mafia within 10 people left.

In terms of voting trends I guess Trundle looks a bit interesting to me. They always seem to be one of the last people to join a mafia eliminating wagon. But honestly, just going off of that, I don't look particularly great either so I'm hesitant to draw any hard conclusions on that alone.


I apologise. For the most part I've been quiet due to just not knowing what to say. While catching up on my reading I don't see suspicious things to question or talk about and when I do, everything can be summed up in a few short sentences. I guess I just don't have the brain for this kind of game

Pls don't take me personally I am half cranky half neutral blunt (amplified from being cranky), but what I say in the reads list isn't meant to represent my feelings for you personally out of game state. I understand this may have been more than you signed up for, so please don't hesitate to ask questions about things (either literal game mechanics or about gamestate stuff). I appreciate you taking the time to look at the votes tho. Who else are you questioning besides TRrundle, who else feels town?

all in all i literally have no idea at this point. lots of these can read either way (maf or town), but there’s a lot of wolfy stuff in between the lines. you can probably tell i’m tired rn though, lmk what you think of tn4u from this though frosty and we can talk ab it

Literally just confirming what I've said all game tbh, kinda pulling reads outta nowhere and changing mind without really explaining why (he's changing his mind). The adamant Trundle town since day 2 onward literally felt like sheeping Dolby tbh. And the whole Trundle exposing Dolby fits in line with being weirdly vague in giving reads (what I grilled him on day 3, just would not say in writing I was cop, but he had reasons to believe I was town, also saying he started doubting Dolby because he slipped and not for cop read...)
Also, also, yesterday's reads he said Dino had 'multiple people green check them' which??? So either he just generally doesn't get how cop works or is....avoiding saying the truth as we know it for some reason. I dunno about the whole this is just the way he talks thing like you've said, I directly asked him if it was that but he was avoiding answering me on that too.

unravel: I'm not very sure of them (completely ignoring the two votes they placed on me right away as that's irrelevant), and really haven't been throughout the entire game. Dinosaur was basically given a clear green check by several users, and yet unravel still wanted more answers from them. There was a post they made about mafia not wanting to place votes for Zinnia, post #2,100. I voted for Zinnia, so why they've been highly suspicious of and voting for me since is a big question mark, really.

There's a reason why I walked in yesterday (and today but now it's not such a good idea) saying I'd want to vote him. I just think he's maf but also would have been the most valuable info to us if I was wrong. And I feel like a lot of his energy really is just spent defending himself over solving the game. Also his latest post has a lot of the same energy of ??? to me (correct me if I'm wrong but Trundle only gave us two wagons, Mog and Unravel, which were NOT simply reaction tests but he said several times he believed in them being maf and otherwise just wants to policy kill Yoshi). Honestly the 'unknowingly helping mafia win' sounds more TMI than anything else.

I've discussed him many times, probably more so than anyone else except maybe Frosty. I'll just get this out of the way first and foremost: In no way does my read of him as town have anything to do with his read on me. Ribbit, if I had to be completely honest, I've been tuned in to what Trundle has to say at times more often because he likes to be the center of attention in this game. We all know this. He's started many wagons just to get reactions and for mafia to make their decision on who to kill next. My ultimate reasoning for viewing him as town were due to his completely random wagons and that panic he had about Zinnia. Yes, since Dolby flipped red, Trundle has been a bit more quiet since. As he's been accused of being godfather a few times, I'll try and identify his "tactic" from both perspectives:

• Town tactic: If Trundle is confirmed town, mafia is likely keeping him alive to help themselves as they know others will be sus of him throughout until he's voted off.
• Mafia tactic: If Trundle is confirmed mafia, then we'll know for a fact that he's a really pushy godfather that doesn't want to go kill anyone himself, letting the other mafia members perform the kills so he doesn't get caught by the watcher.

That being said, I still believe the town tactic is in play here. I'd imagine mafia isn't dumb enough to kill him early so that the random wagons will stop. If anything, I think Trundle is unknowingly helping the mafia win.

As for Yoshi, they've passed along some legitimate information that helps their town stance. I'm currently viewing them as potential godfather, however, as I personally think they might be getting coached well by the other surviving wolf. It's entirely possible.

I know my Mog read suddenly changed. If Mog and Unravel (who flipped town) were indeed working together, and Unravel was revealed to be town, then Mog is likely town as well. Volt brought it up earlier, and considering how similar the two are in post habits, that is why I feel this way. In my last read, I viewed Annika as null as I wasn't very sure at the time if she was a wolf. With Unravel being gone and my stance on Mog changed, I've decided to move her into my mafia lean list for the time being.

But I said I wouldn't push him so if you would like to. All in all though I think it would be a bad idea to vote him today after getting the green check so probably isn't worth considering until we flip goon (or TN really does a major maf slip). But this is a v good post and I hope it's remembered in the case of only needing to find godfather.

our main point of consideration is whether one of the cop checks were godfather or not (Ender/TN4U/Dinosaur). If not, 2 goons in the remaining list (mogyay/annika/volt/Yoshi) seems a pretty easy win.

Since you're saying if not Mog, Yoshi would be your next pick, and if the gf was checked you're leaning Dino, How likely would you expect it to be Yoshi and Dino left as maf team? Do you think overall the final 3 maf are in Mog/Yoshi/Dino?

 

[EpicGamer12]

How likely would you expect it to be Yoshi and Dino left as maf team? Do you think overall the final 3 maf are in Mog/Yoshi/Dino?

Genuinely no clue, but isn’t there only 2 mafia left?

 

[voltairenism]

@voltairenism what do you think about TN now?

@TN4U what do you think about Trundle now?

I think Ribbit and Annika poofed out of existance atm.

im not sure, dolby had some weirdness abt this slot but im not sure if hes teamed with radical. i would bet for that the green is legit because maybe dolby would push him more on a wolfread on him i think?. this whole game is a fog on my mind but i dont have the energy to reread

I feel like everyone is just baiting out my reaction so they can blame me if mog turns up town LMAO

im dying on the hill of u being town bud

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Genuinely no clue, but isn’t there only 2 mafia left?

Facepalming, yeah, I meant the final 2 maf within those 3 and just wrote in the wrong number.

I do agree on the suss of Mog's slot after the ate +refusal to vote, so I would much prefer voting Mog than Dino between the two, but I also want Mog to explain the reluctance to vote...and also talk a little more because Unravel vote really was just us rushing to our detriment.

im not sure, dolby had some weirdness abt this slot but im not sure if hes teamed with radical. i would bet for that the green is legit because maybe dolby would push him more on a wolfread on him i think?. this whole game is a fog on my mind but i dont have the energy to reread

Real mood. And sorry, do you mean Dolby would push TN4U because TN4U wolfread Dolby?? My reading comprehension is zero atm.

 

[voltairenism]

Facepalming, yeah, I meant the final 2 maf within those 3 and just wrote in the wrong number.

I do agree on the suss of Mog's slot after the ate +refusal to vote, so I would much prefer voting Mog than Dino between the two, but I also want Mog to explain the reluctance to vote...and also talk a little more because Unravel vote really was just us rushing to our detriment.




Real mood. And sorry, do you mean Dolby would push TN4U because TN4U wolfread Dolby?? My reading comprehension is zero atm.

i mean if tn4u was GF dolby could push him more so baiting a cop inspection

 

[EnderWiggin]

Was meant to come back yesterday but forgot that hammering was a thing so came back to the flip lmao.

Am sad Unravel died tho, thought they were ~decent.

Also was on the sub list because I didn't have a lot of time, but given yesterday I've made some time today. To (hopefully) get more stuff out there.

 

[EnderWiggin]

I am failing at ISOs and reading through the thread is a slog, but still here doin' things. I also have like... 15 tabs open

Current theory is very much leaning into Annika wolf, and Mog might just be straight up town, but still doin' a reread. (Mostly just felt bad about leaving this for hours as I multitasked without any posts lmao.)

 

[EnderWiggin]

OKAY so gonna break the game down a little bit. I had a bunch of reading going through all 130 pages one by one in one go because I wanted to actually get a proper grasp of the game. So here's the long and short of it:

Confirmed town: (Pretty much)
FrostyAlmonds
ribbitribbon

Green Checks:
EnderWiggin
Dinosaur
Yoshi155

Now, obviously GF is possibly in that list, but I'm cutting them (and myself ofc ofc ofc) because there's a guaranteed 1/2 in the others. And hunting goon > Getting paranoid about GF when I can narrow focus.
So the following:
mogyay
annika
TN4U
voltairenism
Trundle
Trundle/Volt - Could still be wolf but I have reasons to not think either are.
Trundle because of the pocketing from Dolby and the heavy defense
Volt because their social position (Around their interactions with Dolby D1 for ex) seems to be more in line with a town. Especially with their play vibing with what I am thinking is now just Volt's town play. Their D1 was good, but I'll admit their D2/D3 have not enthused me the same way, which is why they're up here but weaker than Trundle.
Mogyay - ATE'd the hell out of last EOD, but their social interaction (look at their first back and forth with Dolby. They seemed overtly excited to play with Dolby, which is not ~normally what I see from w/w when they've already said hi in wolfchat.) is pretty townish. I also think their position as Dolby's second-favourite push on D1 is a good look on proper reread, even if it always felt a little half-hearted.
TN4U - I think their position is very sus. Not the most sus, but they have weird interactions with Dolby all game. They have some longer ones but especially in their reads list ("Dolby even helps mafia pick who to kill" is a lol thing to say about a mafia teammate but it's something I could see Dolby approving being said about them by a mafia partner.) it feels like a weird over-focus on Dolby as a centralising stability to the game.
But
I think Annika is the most wolfy. Very early on Annika gets a lot of soft-ball questions from Dolby. Dolby explicitly counters the townreads on Annika, but compared to the two other people he did this on D1 (Mog/Ribbit) he never PUSHED on Annika. Every mention is either like "I could see Annika" or "Why would you townread Annika?". There was a vote on D2 which had no verbal follow up or diatribe to try and convince (Compare that to D1's vote on Ribbit) and many acknowledgements of sus.
Annika, meanwhile, susses Dolby intermittently but never really pushes much until it was obvious momentum against Dolby was building. A point at which mafia bussing becomes VERY likely. (In fact I mildly townread the people like Trundle who decided to viscerally resist it.) (I will note at this point TN4U was like "I could see Dolby wolf" but then voted Frosty without any defense of Dolby and also avoided voting Dolby until it was impossible to avoid.)
AND
More importantly
Annika, after having verbally sussed Dolby a lot, says:

hmm dolby wagon is interesting, does anyone speak against it?

Once a wagon on him actually forms. Which feels very disingenuous with the outright top2 sus Annika had on them before that.

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I HAD SPACING GOD DAMNIT FORUM

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God my own post makes my eyes bleed.

Spoiler: Corrected Post

OKAY so gonna break the game down a little bit. I had a bunch of reading going through all 130 pages one by one in one go because I wanted to actually get a proper grasp of the game. So here's the long and short of it:

Confirmed town: (Pretty much)
FrostyAlmonds
ribbitribbon

Green Checks:
EnderWiggin
Dinosaur
Yoshi155

Now, obviously GF is possibly in that list, but I'm cutting them (and myself ofc ofc ofc) because there's a guaranteed 1/2 in the others. And hunting goon > Getting paranoid about GF when I can narrow focus.

So the following:
mogyay
annika
TN4U
voltairenism
Trundle


Trundle/Volt - Could still be wolf but I have reasons to not think either are.

Trundle because of the pocketing from Dolby and the heavy defense

Volt because their social position (Around their interactions with Dolby D1 for ex) seems to be more in line with a town. Especially with their play vibing with what I am thinking is now just Volt's town play. Their D1 was good, but I'll admit their D2/D3 have not enthused me the same way, which is why they're up here but weaker than Trundle.

Mogyay - ATE'd the hell out of last EOD, but their social interaction (look at their first back and forth with Dolby. They seemed overtly excited to play with Dolby, which is not ~normally what I see from w/w when they've already said hi in wolfchat.) is pretty townish. I also think their position as Dolby's second-favourite push on D1 is a good look on proper reread, even if it always felt a little half-hearted.

TN4U - I think their position is very sus. Not the most sus, but they have weird interactions with Dolby all game. They have some longer ones but especially in their reads list ("Dolby even helps mafia pick who to kill" is a lol thing to say about a mafia teammate but it's something I could see Dolby approving being said about them by a mafia partner.) it feels like a weird over-focus on Dolby as a centralising stability to the game.

But

I think Annika is the most wolfy. Very early on Annika gets a lot of soft-ball questions from Dolby. Dolby explicitly counters the townreads on Annika, but compared to the two other people he did this on D1 (Mog/Ribbit) he never PUSHED on Annika. Every mention is either like "I could see Annika" or "Why would you townread Annika?". There was a vote on D2 which had no verbal follow up or diatribe to try and convince (Compare that to D1's vote on Ribbit) and many acknowledgements of sus.

Annika, meanwhile, susses Dolby intermittently but never really pushes much until it was obvious momentum against Dolby was building. A point at which mafia bussing becomes VERY likely. (In fact I mildly townread the people like Trundle who decided to viscerally resist it.) (I will note at this point TN4U was like "I could see Dolby wolf" but then voted Frosty without any defense of Dolby and also avoided voting Dolby until it was impossible to avoid.)

AND

More importantly

Annika, after having verbally sussed Dolby a lot, says:

hmm dolby wagon is interesting, does anyone speak against it?

Once a wagon on him actually forms. Which feels very disingenuous with the outright top2 sus Annika had on them before that.

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Anyone else whose eyes bleed from my first attempt, the fixed version is in the spoiler >.>

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Basic summary:
Annika sus, I'm votin' 'er.

TN4U is my current partner guess but I also don't care as much because I'm pretty sure I am right on Annika.

 

[ribbitribbon]

thought about it at night and mafia are killing universal townreads in order of most townread

 

[EnderWiggin]

thought about it at night and mafia are killing universal townreads in order of most townread

Why are you alive then lol.

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I think it's just pr hunting. They're completely confused at who Doc is and trying to find them before it's too late.

 

[ribbitribbon]

Why are you alive then lol.

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I think it's just pr hunting. They're completely confused at who Doc is and trying to find them before it's too late.

tis what i was hinting at

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imo maf is trying to force kill a pr, assumes a pr is one of the general townreads and is going one by one

moreover mafia cannot touch the cop until at least one is dead

so prime kill candidates tonight will be me and ender

i am saying this because it will make it harder for mafia to pick a kill if i point this out

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Ender- TN was green check not Yoshi.

I think Annika is the most wolfy. Very early on Annika gets a lot of soft-ball questions from Dolby. Dolby explicitly counters the townreads on Annika, but compared to the two other people he did this on D1 (Mog/Ribbit) he never PUSHED on Annika. Every mention is either like "I could see Annika" or "Why would you townread Annika?". There was a vote on D2 which had no verbal follow up or diatribe to try and convince (Compare that to D1's vote on Ribbit) and many acknowledgements of sus.

The why are you townreading her part is literally because we we just townreading her as a joke very early into the game (based on her being town in kingmaker game when everyone was sure she was wolf fyi). I really don't think that specifically should be used against her imo. TBH I don't think Annika is a good choice to flip today, I feel like her actions day 2 were overall towny.

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tis what i was hinting at

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imo maf is trying to force kill a pr, assumes a pr is one of the general townreads and is going one by one

moreover mafia cannot touch the cop until at least one is dead

so prime kill candidates tonight will be me and ender

i am saying this because it will make it harder for mafia to pick a kill if i point this out

Big brain strats.

 

[TN4U]

I'm going to place my vote for Annika. She might be the one trying to coach the godfather, whoever that may be.

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

I'm going to place my vote for Annika. She might be the one trying to coach the godfather, whoever that may be.

Srry no one else is here. Why do you think Annika is goon over godfather and that's she's coaching gf?

 

[TN4U]

Srry no one else is here. Why do you think Annika is goon over godfather and that's she's coaching gf?

Well, a few things:

• Annika has prior mafia experience, as stated by both herself and a few other seasoned players.
• Her post habits, while mostly town-like, are inconsistent, and she haven't provided a proper explanation for her random absences other than short apologies.
• Viewing Trundle as town, viewing Yoshi and Mog as mafia. Annika could be giving off the impression of trying to throw either of the latter two under the bus.

Now, I think you gave her the green check before (sorry I forgot if you did), so this claim might make little sense to you in your perspective. Could she in fact be the godfather training the goon and performing the kills herself? Maybe, but I can't be too sure. I think voting her off will give us more information to be honest.

 

[mogyay]

sorry unravel (and betsy) i should have went first

also i didnt mean to not vote but that happened so quickly imo, i actually was stressed id be mod killed but i guess it didnt count since it was a majority or something

anyway as an apology to unravel i am not ok with being majoritied and seeing another town go down, since tnfu is apparently cleared (for now at least ) my only other suspicion is annika/trundle

also we literally just wasted yesterday (and lost town) due to being too hasty so its sus ppl wanna do it again , i think thats a bit weird