nintendofan85
Good grief.
This has been a recent trend that is getting worse and worse, all excused by the pandemic. What are your thoughts, everyone?
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Atlanta shootings and other racial attacks against Asian Americans
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xSuperMario64x
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I've been closely studying the civil rights movement of the 1950s-60s and the prevalence of racism in American society, and after all these years it's still just as much of an issue. It just makes me wonder how literally any sane person could be even a little bit okay with this?? I think the freedom struggle has become stagnant, something had got to change and fast.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
I have something to regretfully admit:
I was once conservative, and growing up in the South, I just assumed that after the civil rights movement officially ended in 1968 (basically ending with Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination), racism was no longer a problem in society in the United States. I knew people still held racist attitudes (my family would make racist comments about Asians), but I thought that generally, societal problems about race didn't exist anymore. However, as I became more liberal and saw much of the language Donald Trump based his 2016 presidential campaign on, I began realizing racism really hadn't gone away. In fact, I'd argue racism was a major reason why Republicans constantly bashed Barack Obama when he was in office.
If anything, I think a lot of things, I'd say related to the Trump presidency, even if it's over now, have made race get a lot of attention-these attacks against Asian Americans due to unfair blame related to the pandemic, George Floyd's death and police brutality and mass incarceration African Americans (especially black men) receive, and the situation at the border where quite literally, with Donald Trump's plans to build a wall (it's just now that it's being halted by Joe Biden) and the detention camps that we've seen how unfairly and cruelly Latinos are being treated. All of these nonwhite races have had unfair treatment, and at best the Republican Party, in my opinion, has tried to deflect attention from the matter-I even recently got into an argument with some conservatives who insisted that Biden was doing the wrong thing by not deporting all undocumented immigrants to "Mexico" (even though the vast majority are from Central American countries) en masse.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
Oh of course not. I just put "recent" in the post because it's spiked lately with the virus...
tiffanistarr
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This will never stop bothering me! I'm going I speak on this first, Why is that the MAJORITY of conservative/republicans/q nuts think that everyone that looks of hispanic decent is automatically from Mexico like there isn’t a whole other continent underneath it.....
Like these people are fleeing from violence that even on our worst days most of us white people will never endure.
They are living in dangerous conditions and a lot in poverty. For white people, even on their poorest days, they will never know what that feels like.
Whenever I'm brought into a conversation about immigration with Republicans/conservatives/q nuts I always try to remind them of the quote “nobody puts their children in a boat unless the water is safer than the land.”
Also that whole Statue of Liberty thing "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
This country was built off the backs of immigrants and slaves and it's been high time we recognize and start abolishing the things that keep them enslaved and try to make up for the evil things done in the past.
As far as the racist anti-Asian hate that's been “cropping up” it's always been there and I'm not the least bit shocked. I'm heartbroken but not shocked. I also just want to say that the evil monster who perpetrated the mass murder will say it wasn't racially motivated, but we all know it was. Was he some conspiracy theorist incel douche? yes, but he was also a disgusting racist. Don't go quietly when they continue to say it wasn't a racist attack or that he was just having a bad day. Screw that.
And the Cop defended the shooter saying it wasn't racism but that he had a "sex addiction" and was having a "bad day".
Unsurprisingly the cop had anti-chinese facebook posts about coronavirus
America will be majority POC by 2050 and I'm sure there will still be racism.
Unsurprisingly the cop had anti-chinese facebook posts about coronavirus
America will be majority POC by 2050 and I'm sure there will still be racism.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
Unfortunately, this is true in my sentiments as well. I'm a white Southerner and have never quite frankly felt safe here either, especially as I'm bisexual and most other Southern whites hate LGBT...
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I hate to sound conspiratorial, because I personally hate conspiracy theories, but I would not be the least surprised if the Republicans tried to pull some sort of apartheid-like **** because of that, akin to how in South Africa, blacks were very much the majority and yet they were heavily discriminated against by South Africa's white minority in the government. In some ways, I would argue the GOP is already doing this, seeing how numerous states (And Georgia being one of them!) are enacting voter suppression laws that are clearly designed to target African American voters. Similar tactics in Texas have not only affected blacks, but Latinos as well.
I doubt they will stay in power that long if they keep pushing their current agenda. They will either have to adapt to an increasingly POC dominated voter base or cease to exist as a party.
Anyway unless there was a Republican supermajority and an extremist Republican supreme court and Presidency there would be no way apartheid would be reinstated in the U.S. because no apartheid-adjacent policy would be constitutional unless they stripped POC of citizenship somehow.
trashpedia
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Vietnamese-American person here. Attacks against Asian American people have been happening for a while now especially in the West Coast, but none of them ever caught the spotlight of the mainstream media. It's unfortunate that it escalated to a full blown mass shooting and killing of 8 people (6 of which were Asian women).
The discussion of of racism against Asian Americans (and when I mean by this, it also includes South and Southeast Asians, Middle Eastern people, and much more!) has always been a complicated subject because of the idea of model minorities and how it has been used as a way to compare other races in the US to say "Look at all the Asians who successful in the US while all the other races do nothing!1!11!1". The problem with this is that not only does it erase whatever discrimination Asians have gone through, but it puts us at a high expectations and standards, as well as being used as a way to degrade and gaslight other minority groups. Not to mention that the minority model myth is also an amalgamation of primarily East Asian stereotypes, such as how "Asians never complain and are smart!!1!1111". But at the same time, it can be believed that Asians never face discrimination because they seem to do well successfully in the medical field or with tech, but never acknowledging that there's a HUGE economic disparity between wealthy and lower-income Asian households. Not to mention Asians are less likely to report hate crimes due to our collectivist beliefs from our family, and how we are often taught that it is much more trouble to report things rather than moving on and ignoring it.
I've always been very wary and critical of the fetishization of Asian women and how they portrayed as "exotic" and "youthful" in the media, and added in with the whole "Asians are submissive stereotype" results in a very very problematic and objectifying stereotype of Asian women.
Seeing the reactions of the shooting across social media has been.......interesting. When it was first reported, many people were arguing about the ethnicity or race of the shooter and that only in America you would see race issues like this. There was not a single comment about the victims or if anyone was safe. It just comes to show that the discussion of racism of Asians is very complicated and that sometimes, people will only seem to care if it furthers their belief to gaslight other minority groups (especially against black people). Not to mention this discussion was also very good at weeding out who supported minority rights as a trend because "Asians aren't oppressed enough".
But for me, the victims matter first, and it especially hits me hard since my parents are immigrants who moved away from their home country and worked hard just to be where I am now. I could have discussed things more in depth, but I didn't feel like posting a giant block of text about it and making this even more complicated. Here's a gofundme for one of the victims if you want to support them. You can find the others too if you'd like.
PS: Anti-Asian racism is not an American thing as well. It happens in other countries, whether it be the 600% increase in hate crimes in Canada[1], the attack of Uncle Roger in London[2] or the attack of a lecturer somewhere else in the UK[3], the racist incidents Gianni Lee went through visiting Germany[4], or the acid attacks of Japanese nationals in France[5]. Please be aware that it's not simply just an American thing, and if you are a man, please use your voice to support women who need a voice.
The discussion of of racism against Asian Americans (and when I mean by this, it also includes South and Southeast Asians, Middle Eastern people, and much more!) has always been a complicated subject because of the idea of model minorities and how it has been used as a way to compare other races in the US to say "Look at all the Asians who successful in the US while all the other races do nothing!1!11!1". The problem with this is that not only does it erase whatever discrimination Asians have gone through, but it puts us at a high expectations and standards, as well as being used as a way to degrade and gaslight other minority groups. Not to mention that the minority model myth is also an amalgamation of primarily East Asian stereotypes, such as how "Asians never complain and are smart!!1!1111". But at the same time, it can be believed that Asians never face discrimination because they seem to do well successfully in the medical field or with tech, but never acknowledging that there's a HUGE economic disparity between wealthy and lower-income Asian households. Not to mention Asians are less likely to report hate crimes due to our collectivist beliefs from our family, and how we are often taught that it is much more trouble to report things rather than moving on and ignoring it.
I've always been very wary and critical of the fetishization of Asian women and how they portrayed as "exotic" and "youthful" in the media, and added in with the whole "Asians are submissive stereotype" results in a very very problematic and objectifying stereotype of Asian women.
Seeing the reactions of the shooting across social media has been.......interesting. When it was first reported, many people were arguing about the ethnicity or race of the shooter and that only in America you would see race issues like this. There was not a single comment about the victims or if anyone was safe. It just comes to show that the discussion of racism of Asians is very complicated and that sometimes, people will only seem to care if it furthers their belief to gaslight other minority groups (especially against black people). Not to mention this discussion was also very good at weeding out who supported minority rights as a trend because "Asians aren't oppressed enough".
But for me, the victims matter first, and it especially hits me hard since my parents are immigrants who moved away from their home country and worked hard just to be where I am now. I could have discussed things more in depth, but I didn't feel like posting a giant block of text about it and making this even more complicated. Here's a gofundme for one of the victims if you want to support them. You can find the others too if you'd like.
PS: Anti-Asian racism is not an American thing as well. It happens in other countries, whether it be the 600% increase in hate crimes in Canada[1], the attack of Uncle Roger in London[2] or the attack of a lecturer somewhere else in the UK[3], the racist incidents Gianni Lee went through visiting Germany[4], or the acid attacks of Japanese nationals in France[5]. Please be aware that it's not simply just an American thing, and if you are a man, please use your voice to support women who need a voice.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
In all honesty, the "model minority" thing, if you want to know the history of it, came in the '80s when Japan's economy was doing very well and it was seen as an economic threat to the United States because of cars and electronics. I'm not saying it makes it any less of a myth nor right, but sadly that's where it comes from. Japan may also not quite be the country getting as much economic growth in East Asia as it was back in the '80s, but now countries such as China in the region have had heavy amounts of economic growth, so that's played a more recent role, too. I think what we fail to see about racial minorities is this: they also face discrimination in various ways, but at the same time, it's all due to the same reason: they're not white. Also, when I mentioned how envy has been placed on East Asian countries in recent history due to economics, this hasn't been without tragedy, either: in 1982, a Chinese American man, Vincent Chin, was killed in Highland Park, Michigan (a suburb of Detroit) by a white man, Ronald Ebens, and his stepson, Michael Nitz (also white) just because two had worked at Chrysler, an American automaker based in Detroit, and it was having financial troubles, which had led to Nitz being laid off in 1979. A lot of this tension had to come with automotive jobs being lost in the manufacturing sector to Japan, especially because at the time in the early '80s, a lot of cars Chrysler was selling in the United States domestic market were captive imports from Japan made by Mitsubishi. (Obviously Chin was mistaken for being of Japanese descent, not Chinese) This incident was so shocking that many Japanese news outlets warned Japanese people to not travel to the US.
Also, as a white guy, I'll admit that I've found a lot of Asian women pretty-however, yeah, the "youthful" and "submissive" stereotype is no good...
They already have an extremist Supreme Court and they are working on cheating to get legislative majorities back. They think they don't have to have support of POC because of the structural advantages in elections for white people (gerrymandering for the House, the built in gerrymandering for the Senate, and the EC for the presidency). They are also trying to make it extremely difficult for POC to vote.
We won't see apartheid-style policy in America overnight, but Republicans keep gradually chipping away to get us closer there. They won't make it illegal for POC to vote; they'll just make it so they have to stand in line for hours to get a valid ID so they can then have to stand in line for hours to actually cast a vote. They won't make slavery legal again; they'll just destroy the social safety net and erode away workers' rights so that it effectively gets to that point again. De facto school segregation is already happening again. The constitution won't be any help because it's a piece of toilet paper to Republicans and they'll push the boundaries just far enough for their hand-picked court justices to rubber stamp their oppressive policies.
Racists are relentless and history teaches us that they won't automatically lose just because they are the bad guys or they are in the minority. The only way to defeat them is for anti-racists to be equally relentless in their resolve to end racism.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
This is another reason why I don't get the Republicans' claims that welfare is meant to keep racial minorities poor and disadvantage them from working... In fact, the United States actually spends the least on welfare programs of any developed nation.
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