Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[Ryumia]

Hey guys I’m here, going to be doing some gardening today for a few hours then catch up here. When’s EoD?

Day one will end Wednesday March 21st at 11pm BST / 6pm EDT / 3pm PDT.

 

[glow]

don't turn this on me... and don't try to play mediator discussion master. You are usually very strikingly forward as town, so thats why I find this all strange from you. You also posted that stuff and intended to just leave, did you plan to respond to all responses when you got back?

And what I'm referring to is that you posted all of that and not anywhere did you really say whether someone was townie or scum for their actions. Everything was "strange", commented on a stance, or mocking/sarcastic....

stop trying to act all high and mighty too. Its annoying to me, if you really want analysis and speculation like you are saying was the whole point of that post... here it is. Now lets have a discussion rather than you avoiding my points and trying to flip this on me

still reading through page 15 lmfao

t!toads 2 ez 2 read tho

this post and the reply it's quoting from Ness make me quite confident in Ness being the mafia in the pair if there is one

yes Ness is objectively hyper aware of game state (things scum and observative town do)and highly reactive. yes he does feel a bit aggro in his replies and maybe less driven in posts. i mean i think that's all NAI on its own, regardless, given

a. game state

b. Ness has always had emotion in his style. emotions really not bad, most of the time Ness is able to actually have a productive type of emotion that i find difficult to fake as scum

honestly none of that is really noteworthy to me here. assume Ness is scum: emotion is something he's likely comfortable displaying and anyone can get annoyed at being scumread for a bad reason. (in fact that's the EASIEST thing for me to get mad at as scum)

what i do think is important is that Ness is trying to, throughout this interaction, pivot onto toads. honestly I've town read him for similar emotion in the past, but the glaringly odd difference is the attempt at shifting the bad lighting towards toads direction. Ness is like "ya i did X but you did Y and also sort of X? sooo?"

 

[iLoveYou]

I do understand your dilemma of not wanting players who do "nothing" getting to the end. But... Whether or not it would be considered so just seems subjective to me. The whole going after the inactives is one tactic to use I suppose, but I would rather not be heavily reliant on that in the game. I rather keep in mind of other things as well.

I think you should give it some time. It's not always easy to jump in when playing the game. Just basing this off from the experience I had while playing mafia. It's easy to feel out place when you aren't sure of what to do.

Yes I know. Literally everyone is saying the same thing now and I'm not going to consider posts like this of any value anymore. It's just repetition at this point and becoming a safety blanket for people to make seemingly pro-Town posts. I get it, it's not a good idea. I'm not even pushing for their lynch at this point. How many more people are going to chime in just to add "content" to their post ?

I will happily give it time Ryumia but I will not stop my side notes on the deadweights, as mentioned previously.

 

[toadsworthy]

Iloveyounwhat games were you in last? I know it's been a while but I'd still like to see them

 

[Ryumia]

Yes I know. Literally everyone is saying the same thing now and I'm not going to consider posts like this of any value anymore. It's just repetition at this point and becoming a safety blanket for people to make seemingly pro-Town posts. I get it, it's not a good idea. I'm not even pushing for their lynch at this point. How many more people are going to chime in just to add "content" to their post ?

I will happily give it time Ryumia but I will not stop my side notes on the deadweights, as mentioned previously.

Okay. That's good to hear at least. I'm still trying to get the hang of things at the moment.

Your idea isn't necessarily bad either. I mean... It's like you said. There could be a possibility that a mafia member could be hiding under the radar. So it is something to keep in mind, but not it's something I want to hold on too much.

 

[mogyay]

Sorry one last thing:

I actually find it weird that mogyay is bringing up something that happened a little while ago after I'm posting calling out people. Nonetheless I do understand where you are coming from, because everyone else said the same thing about how it wouldn't be a good move.

wdym? i was replying to the comment you made this morning about ghost kid and giga. i have no intention of repeating what people have already said but at that point no one had commented on it and it bothered me so? anyway i'm happy to move on from this discussion to something a bit more productive! i'm going to work soon but i'll probably be on for a bit when i'm done

 

[iLoveYou]

Iloveyounwhat games were you in last? I know it's been a while but I'd still like to see them

It would be games from 2014. Unfortunately the last one I was modkilled for cheating in lols.

 

[toadsworthy]

My problem with lynching an inactive is that it's a crapshoot.... there's not enough to information by definition to pick a good candidate in this situation.

I can't picture why ILOveYou would suggest this as mafia too unless she is on a team with extremely active people though otherwise she'd be putting at least one to two people in direct line of fire. Or bussing people on her team that will be deadweight anyway, but that seems less likely this early in the game. Seeing as how I highly doubt the entire mafia team is all active people, I highly doubt her motive is to steer convo like that

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It would be games from 2014. Unfortunately the last one I was modkilled for cheating in lols.

Wait what? Please tell us how you cheated?

 

[amazonevan19]

On page 9, thoughts:

- I get why fireninja would vote punchy, seeing as FN hasn?t played with punchy before, but the fact he kept his vote long after it was established punchy was trolling is mildly concerning

- I think the Iloveyou vs Dolby interactions are town v town, both seem very genuine to me, even though I disagree with ILY?s focus on inactives when day 1 has hardly started lol

Back to the garden, I?ll finish up reading later

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Day one will end Wednesday March 21st at 11pm BST / 6pm EDT / 3pm PDT.

Thanks!

 

[Dolby]

Ok, still don’t have time to talk in depth rn, but I’ve read the thread and would like to remind you that FN is still a option, and I kinda feel like you all forgot that he existed

 

[Kamzitty]

Ok, still don’t have time to talk in depth rn, but I’ve read the thread and would like to remind you that FN is still a option, and I kinda feel like you all forgot that he existed

I just went through his posts and he hasn't really posted anything substantial, and his punchy vote seems really random? FN seems v fishy but I also feel like that's too obvious as mafia, would he really vote somebody right away without explanation if he was trying to lay low?

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We aren't a team.

Yes, that's exactly what I said

Honestly I'm pretty sure you're not town. Just like really? This is either a bad townplay, a bad scumplay, or an obvious Jester play.

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WAIT. BIG THEORY. AHH. THATS NOT GOOD IF ITS TRUE. I can't reveal this theory, I think that this could totally be possible in this setup

The whole "we aren't a team" was random to me as well, I don't see why FN would feel the need to say that as nobody had even considered the fact that they were a team. I agree with punchy, FN is either playing bad town or bad scum lol. Not quite sure who a jester is tho?

 

[glow]

Lmao alright maybe I spoke too soon rip page 16

gtg class but does anyone agree that nobody has scumtold more than dad in one post in his webnovel titled Fakest Reads of 2018

 

[EpicGamer12]

I found out through Discord that thread was locked for sometime. Vanessa said that it was only locked for like maybe two hours. But... I'm glad the game is back on again.



I always thought that the entire purpose would be achieving the wincon of the role one has.

Like:

- Mafia's objective to rid of Town.
- Town's objective to rid of any role that threatens Town.
- With any third party... It just varies.

And things you mentioned were just simply mechanics that one could use to do so.



Would that game be Kingmaker? The one where Ness hosted. I remembered that Tom was a vigilante in that game.



I do understand your dilemma of not wanting players who do "nothing" getting to the end. But... Whether or not it would be considered so just seems subjective to me. The whole going after the inactives is one tactic to use I suppose, but I would rather not be heavily reliant on that in the game. I rather keep in mind of other things as well.



I think you should give it some time. It's not always easy to jump in when playing the game. Just basing this off from the experience I had while playing mafia. It's easy to feel out place when you aren't sure of what to do.

Just going to point out this post is just filler. The only thing you mentioned in this entire post that warrants a comment/opinion you have a neutral opinion on. While I'm not necessarily saying you're mafia (yet), this post adds nothing to the game and looks like you're just trying to look like you're contributing.

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Kammm is easily town in my eyes

 

[Dolby]

Ok, some more generalized thoughts

Still think that Iloveyou is town based on her insistence to argue for policy lynch. I've already explained why it would be in her interest to adapt to the new meta in general if she's scum, given she legitimately believes policy lynching to be the best option

Punchy v FN: Not a team, but honestly kinda weak on both sides. If there's one scum and one town within there, I'd pick FN to be the town. He's refused to explain his vote, and so far has not even provided comments on other people (granted, it's 18 hours into the game).

Trust me I'm not ruling out Dolby... I've actually got an eye on him for sure.

I'm done with punchy at this point, I think I've gotten what I want out of him

I'm gonna drop my SR of Toads, given that he was intentionally trying to get a reaction from Punchy

Yeah, it's a poor play for Trundle to list me as town so early, but I can probably point out about 5 games in the past year where he hard TRed me D1 as town, so I'm really not taking that as sus. Why did I like his reads? I simply agreed with them (again exempting Punchy/Ghost in relation to each other)

I actually kinda found Ness's post kinda weird because of his alternate attack and defense of Punchy over vastly differing and honestly contradicting points. Moreover, I am also concerned over how he dismisses Fireninja in the whole thing, devoting about a paragraph to saying he's null for voting somebody for no reason.

But to elaborate on why I dislike Ness going after Punchy, it's reliant on these three quotes within Ness's post

"Pretty sure you're not town" this is a pretty big statement given we're 4 hours into the game.

Frankly, I am actually inclined to agree with Punchy and take Punchy's side on this. Fireninja voted him for no reason. He cited Punchy's vote once, but it was retracted in the same post. Punchy definetely has a right to sus FN over this, and I think that if I was in Punchy's position, I'd do the exact same thing

Fireninja...literally...is voting you....for no reason.......yet.........you're saying toadsworthy is tunneling you.................

Pretty much the opposite of what the previous point was. Of note is that Toads was intentionally aggrevating Punchy and even admitted to reaction testing him. I also feel that this was a normal reaction from Punchy

Thats because I chose not to point you out. It's not a reads list, I'm putting thoughts out there for discussion. The punchy parts aren't just me generally expressing grievances I have with his posts.

I've never been a big fan of posting reads so early on day 1 because of how easily it is to change, there's not much to organize a case on. At most, I'm townleaning Dolby and iLoveYou I guess?

I don't like this given the bolded portion. Anyhow, I def tl Toads after that exchange

Not teams
FN/Punchy

Yep, just that

1. What is your timezone?
PST.
2. How active will you be this game?
Hopefully more than last game.
3. Preferred pronoun?
She/Her/Your Majesty.
4. Do you prefer being town or being mafia?
Town.
5. How do you handle pressure?
Decently.
6. Which player(s) in this game can you read the best?
Probably Toad or Mog.
7. Which player(s) in this game can best read you?
Definitely not Mog.
8. How many games have you played?
Too many.
9. Who would you fearkill N1?
Glow or Tom Darling.
10. Will Ness answer this RQS?
Nope.

Ness vs Toad seems town vs town to me.... Toad usually does this thing were he pushes a couple players D1 to get a reaction out of them, and Ness being so emotional reminds me of his old play style as town.

Ness i hope you decide to stay in the game, i know it gets emotional at times, but you don't have anything to be embarrassed about, sometimes our emotions get the better of us, but we fam here, no worries little Pineapple Head.

Dolby & ILoveYou you guys are too smart for me you post make my head go in circles and after a long day of work, i just can't.

Tom i dont like the whole "im not gonna open my role pm" i think you lied and said this once before as scum, and if you are town... you could be an important PR and if you don't know, how is that helping us ?

FireNinja & Punchy i dont even know what to say, you guys are clogging the thread with nonsense and its very annoying to read page after page of it.

I don't really like that Panda is making bullet points, or really agree with her (particularly that Ness v Toads is town v town), however, the fact that Panda is actually making opinions (in comparison to when she was scum last game) does make me slightly townlean her

Tbh, I kinda don't like Dad's reads because he did the exact same thing that Ness did and didn't put up any conclusions on people, just general notes. Except in Ness's case it made sense for him to do it given the presentation. Dad presented his full reads


This is imcomplete, I have to get back to class, but still gonna post this anyway as I don't want to have to catch up on even what I was saying when I get back

I'm gonna have to read back on how Dad and Ness both play as scum. I don't think I've played against either in awhile

 

[Ryumia]

Ok, still don?t have time to talk in depth rn, but I?ve read the thread and would like to remind you that FN is still a option, and I kinda feel like you all forgot that he existed.

Is FireNinja like the number one candidate to go after though?

Just going to point out this post is just filler. The only thing you mentioned in this entire post that warrants a comment/opinion you have a neutral opinion on. While I'm not necessarily saying you're mafia (yet), this post adds nothing to the game and looks like you're just trying to look like you're contributing.

Oh... Okay then. Appreciate your feedback on that.

With the ideology of the RQS between Dolby and iLoveYou... I'm not sure of what to think of it if I had to be honest. Perhaps it was fabricated or something? It's something I kept in mind while the game was going, but not something I want to hold down so much. The same goes with the whole Ness and Toad's thing that happened too. Mafia is a game of manipulation after all. I think it's just better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

If others have problems with others taking neutral stances then those people are going to have to try harder to convinces other who do take them not to do so. I mean... Impressions and opinions are hard to change sometimes.

 

[Dolby]

@Ryu If I have somebody who I think should be, itd FN. but I don’t think he’s getting nearly enough scrutiny

 

[toadsworthy]

Is FireNinja like the number one candidate to go after though?



Oh... Okay then. Appreciate your feedback on that.

With the ideology of the RQS between Dolby and iLoveYou... I'm not sure of what to think of it if I had to be honest. Perhaps it was fabricated or something? It's something I kept in mind while the game was going, but not something I want to hold down so much. The same goes with the whole Ness and Toad's thing that happened too. Mafia is a game of manipulation after all. I think it's just better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

If others have problems with others taking neutral stances then those people are going to have to try harder to convinces other who do take them not to do so. I mean... Impressions and opinions are hard to change sometimes.

do you really think me and ness would/could fabricate all of that?

 

[amazonevan19]

OK so I have taken a break from Extreme Makeover: Gardening Edition and have been able to catch up on the thread entirely. Here are my thoughts:

ILoveYou, we get the point you’re making about inactives, stop repeating it please because at this point it’s a moot issue and as you said, can allow people to latch on and appear townie. We get it, let’s move on

Glow is usually a very perceptive player and she’s already SR’d Dad over his monolithic reads (which I did read through so don’t hate me Dad ), and I’ve seen one other player say they didn’t like dad’s reads (forget who it is atm). I found myself agreeing with a good number of Dad’s observations, but I also do agree that his reads are largely just reports rather than actual reads. And his Ness v. Toads takeaway is wrong IMO as I’ll explain below

Ness vs. Toads was frivolous af and I actually found myself siding with Ness more in that exchange. Toads seemed to pick on really minute things and seemed like he just wanted to make Ness look bad. I was a bit surprised Ness thought he could be DQ’d, and agree that that coulda been a lowkey AtE. HAVING SAID THAT, Ness’s Punchy read is pretty self-contradictory, and I agree with Dolby that Punchy’s reaction makes perfect sense. But just looking at Ness v. Toads in a vacuum, I think Ness was winning the argument. But as I like to say…play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Slight tl on Ness and null on Toads rn

I’d be down for a fireninja lynch, as he’s done the most demonstrably scummy thing so far this game. But I also feel like it’s just way too blatant for scum!ninja to do. The one time I was scum with fireninja, he really was trying to fly under the radar and NOT commit to positions.

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oh and Kammm oozes town to me, I really liked her reaction to being pushed to post more

 

[Dolby]

Resuming

good morning! gosh that ness vs toad argument seemed super odd and blown out of proportion, when i read what ness said in mafia discord i was expecting a lot worse, i know they're both emotional players but that seemed a little odd more than anything, why such an emotional reaction.. anyway.

kayla: i don't really like when people are sussing players for bare minimum activity when it's literally this early in the game? giga and ghost aren't the only players who fall under that category (in fact i'm pretty sure i would lol) why them in particular? it makes sense for new players to get out their rq's so they won't get attacked but aren't familiar enough with the game to actually post yet (same goes for kate) seems like you wanna pick on the weaker players a little bit imo.

trundle: why can't punchy switch from playstyle to playstyle? why isn't that something someone can do, unless you're a very good town player i don't think it's pretty unusual to do that, i think i've only played one game with punchy but i don't remember his playstyle being particularly amazing (or bad, i'm not hating). idk i'm not loving all this punchy stuff, i know a lot of what he's done has been illogical but eh, don't quite see him as scummy yet

I'd really like Mog to provide an actual read on Punchy besides that he's null (at least leaning to one way or the other). Idk if it's just me, but all of her posts are kinda about him, and a one way or the other from her particularly would really help me should one of Punchy or FN die or get lynched. Main reason that I'm calling this post out is because the opening paragraph feels forced, but besides that I don't really have an opinion on Mog.

Ryumia has made more than a few high-volume posts, but the content has honestly been meh at best. There isn't any scumhunting going on in there, just perpetuating the policy lynch debate. I don't SR her for it, but I would much prefer scumhunting to that

- I get why fireninja would vote punchy, seeing as FN hasn?t played with punchy before, but the fact he kept his vote long after it was established punchy was trolling is mildly concerning

What do you mean you get why he did it. At best, it was a policy vote. He refused to justify it, and his only counter so far has been "he voted first"

@Glow, will you please tell me why you thought that me/Antonio weren't compatible

There has been so much that I've felt the need to call out that I'm just going to think of things with my strongest TRs and SRs, which would be ILoveYou and FN respectively. Though I'm kinda feeling now that FN not being able to explain himself yesterday is clouding my perception on him

Relatively Confident (ie, at least 75/25 on them)
ILoveYou
Toads
Punchy (purely on the basis that I don't FN)

 

[EpicGamer12]

Honestly pretty surprised I'm not townread by Dolby yet