I'm using a google doc this game. RIP to people who hate reading. This is an abbreviated version of the key points I feel the need to bring up with players who have posted.
Kayla
-Thinks this is still 2014 and that we'll lynch inactives or no lynch.
-Stuck to her guns about it even though Dolby is the right one in their argument.
-Just recently getting around to scumhunting in her more recent posts with this lynching argument aside and I have to say I very much agree with the point she made on Trundle about feeling more sure about somebody like Dolby, who is one of the hardest people in the game to read, and yet less sure about some newb.
-Welcome back to tbt mafia though.
Dolby
-Says he?d fearkill me. (?...implying he actually fearkills)
-After explaining why we don't really no lynch or lynch inactives anymore he concluded his debate with Kayla by saying that scum Kayla would be more keen to quietly adapt to the new meta and this makes her come off as town. I agree with this, but I want to caution that she's capable of using her old tbt mafia player background as an excuse to coast on old strat and she needs to be expected to make a decent amount of reads.
-He?s actually scumhunting, really the only person doing that earlier on in the day.
-Despite scumhunting and having a lot of points I agree with I am still wary of him, he is saying all of the right things. He has provided reasons to dislike both FireNinja and Punchy but his largest read so far seems to be against Toads in that how Toads has utilized Punchy seems like something an opportunistic scumtoads would do.
-Points out a post of Ness as being townish because it is what he thought at the time, and I think just because somebody can read into the situation similarly doesn't mean you should write them off as town so I hope that isn't what is going on here.
Honestly Dolby remains hard to read but at the moment he seems more town. That being said I don't like that he is just townreading Ness because he had a similar train of thought at a certain moment in the game. I'll be interested in how his reads on Ness since then have developed because if he just townreads him over that I think it's cautionless.
Ness
-Seemed to defend Punchy as an inexperienced player doing something stupid.
-Said something about how Tom was saying to vote for Ness pre-game as a joke and Punchy ended up spamming that joke in discord before the game - was this an implication that they're teamed? It seems like a small comment that probably didn't mean much at the time, but considering his read against Mog, it's somewhat hypocritical if that's the point he was trying to make out of it. idk what the comment about how it was funny Tom said to lynch him when Punchy was saying it nonstop in discord, is he trying to imply a Tom and Punchy team through this? He seemed to also kinda defend Punchy as just doing something stupid earlier so idk, but it stood out for some reason.
-I know he was on mobile but Ness seemed rushed to get some sort of content out there and I am used to seeing him unapologetically not posting until he?s able to irl outside of EoD, so this throws me off but it?s just a very soft sus. He eventually made a larger post that I am used to seeing out of him, though. And I like that he did.
-Seems to also put the suggestion out there that FireNinja could be reaction testing as he was firing out some quick thoughts and it seemed like a defense of FireNinja when nobody was asking for a defense or excuse for his quickly concluded vote on Punchy.
-There is one point in his big post that I don't like however and it is that the thing he found strange from Mog isn?t strange at all. Mog is just positing that one of these days someone is going to take advantage of the start of game jokevote on their friend as a means of reverse psychology. That, and I was still recalling that moment where you aired that thought about the Tom and Punchy thing pre-game so it makes sense for Punchy to respond to it as tunneling.
-I'm not putting it past Ness that that last post could possibly be AtE. The whole modkill me because I broke a rule thing.
FireNinja
-Voted for Punchy over one simple thing, and I don?t think he has played with Punchy before either. I agree that what Punchy said was weird and out of place but I am also considering that if Punchy is inexperienced town acting wacky and he isn't mafia, this can very much be looked back upon as jumping on easy prey.
-Also if you are going to answer RQS with a bunch of ?not saying? then just ignore the RQS
Tom
-Not taking the game too seriously yet, in short. Which is characteristic of him but still something that can be used to do some initial coasting until there?s fodder.
-Agrees with Kayla's thoughts what a nub
Punchy
Tbh the only thing I don?t like about him so far is him saying he is going to play a different playstyle this game even though nobody asked. Also has a theory he doesn?t want to reveal. The latter I want him to expand on.
Toads
-Questioned punchy on the playstyle comment and reads it as jester and uses that read as a reason not to vote Punchy
-Proceeds to hardpush on Punchy and pretty much tunnel him until that argument with Ness happened.
-Defense from Dolby is interesting in that he reveals he is in part trying to see if he can break Punchy (very me thing to do tbh) but if he cared more about the interest of town than his own tail then he would just not reveal this. This is what I feel the worst about so far in Toad's play.
-I don?t think Punchy asking how he is trying to look town is desparate, that seems pushy.
-It seems he is the one whose buttons were pushed the most, by Ness. Said he was trying to act like the mediator master in his argument back and forth with him and I thought that particular comment was a reach out of nowhere. He's been guilty of that before but not in this game yet imo.
-Townread Ness after their distractedly petty argument.
Rune
-Posts to say he may be inactive but promises some activity later
-Says not to vote punchy but doesn?t provide a reason as for why not or agree with a reason already presented
-Is wary of lynching Punchy because of how Toads has been acting, especially after he said right out in the thread that he was trying to push Punchy?s buttons and we just accepted that. And I like that because I was thinking the same thing before I caught up to his clarification post.
Mogyay
-Not much content in what she has posted so far, just some generic RQS answers that don?t give us much.
Although
1) Just cause you say you will be on the inactive side doesn't mean I won't call out coasting if I see it, especially if your EoD actions suggest coasting.
but 2) I agree, at some point, somebody is going to use this pre-game joke voting as reverse psychology.
Need more reads from Mog though.
Trundle
-I agree with what Kayla said about him being able to read Dolby better than a new player, as a reminder.
-But to expand on that, he said he had like 5-6 red flags but only airs two scumreads.
-Sides with Toads reads against Punchy and townreads Toads because of how Toads played in his last game as mafia, and I would like for him to get into specifics here, because Toads was in a very specific situation in that game with how he had a lot of heat on him and made a claim that then got countered. Most of that scumplay turned out to take on a damage-control angle from that point onwards.
Kamm and Ghostkid
Both completely new, and with Ghost in particular, would have to be dumbtelling if he said he didn?t know what a fearkill was as mafia. Both have said things that seem very mafia-uneducated and in both cases I don't read it as dumbtelling but I am watching their content for now.
Ryumia
-In a similar category to the two above but has one game behind her. Very little content.
-I didn't like how she chimed in to implore Ness to stay in the game and said it would be sad for him to leave.
Jacob
-Sees GhostKid as a townslip. Jacob is really fond of looking for slips as town.
-I agree that Kayla should play organically because telling her to do otherwise would muddy what is otherwise kind of a good townread for me, if anything me thinking about it makes me realize that unless the suggestion is fabricated, Kayla and Punchy are in the least not teamed.
Gigalabesh
-NOAV SCUM
-Completely new, should lump with Kamm and Ghost but he has no avatar and that makes him scum of the earth.
-Honestly though, that aside, just waiting for content here.
Heyden
-Tells town what to do and calls it housekeeping and that can come off as trying to come off as productive although I will give that there are a lot of completely new people in this game
-Sees FireNinja as being distracting
-If you found that distracting you better have something to say about a whole 2 pages of pettiness between Ness and Toads.
-Said I was on scumteam in RQS answer before I even opened TBT. Hurtful.
Antonio
-Nullreads Punchy but says he doesn?t think hes maf
-Not much content other than that.
Glow
-Waiting for the reads. That second pairing she gave, Dolby/Antonio, is vague af.
Panda
-I also dislike that she is pleading for Ness to stay in the game but I'm more concerned with some pretty simple issues making her head spin around. The discussion that Dolby and Kayla were involved in is not that difficult to understand and neither is the Punchy vs FireNinja conflict. Seems like a filler post to me.
Dedenne
-Need reads, not RQS answers.
And waiting on whoever else isn't here yet.
Honestly my strongest suspects are Ness, Toads, Trundle, FireNinja, Punchy, Panda, and Ryumia or however you spell it in order of sus. The confounding thing is that a lot of these people lack compatibility so I would switch it up based on who flips what. For example, unless that argument was fabrication, I don't see Ness and Toads as being on the same team.
Gun to my head, I would take Toad's side in Toads vs Ness and Punchy's side in FireNinja vs Punchy.
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...yeah that turned out to be a wall of text
I've had a boring night at work
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Too long; didn't read: learn to.