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Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

I think I need to leave this game...I broke the zero tolerance rule
That's for Tina to decide. But... It would be sad to see you go if you were to leave the game. :(
 
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[b] 1. What is your timezone?[/b]

[b] 2. How active will you be this game?[/b]

[b] 3. Preferred pronoun?[/b]

[b] 4. Do you prefer being town or being mafia? [/b]

[b] 5. How do you handle pressure? [/b]

[b] 6. Which player(s) in this game can you read the best? [/b]

[b] 7. Which player(s) in this game can best read you? [/b]

[b] 8. How many games have you played? [/b]

[b] 9. Who would you fearkill N1? [/b]

[b] 10. Will Ness answer this RQS? [/b]

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Glow did the RQs

ayyy lmao nobody can say i haven?t posted in this game yet
 
alright i stopped at page 15

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toads/ness
antonio/dolby

those pairs are never teamed with each other in any scenario

there?s probably more since the last few pages are the most wordy but i?ve gotta get up in like six hours :3
 
1. What is your timezone?
PST.
2. How active will you be this game?
Hopefully more than last game.
3. Preferred pronoun?
She/Her/Your Majesty.
4. Do you prefer being town or being mafia?
Town.
5. How do you handle pressure?
Decently.
6. Which player(s) in this game can you read the best?
Probably Toad or Mog.
7. Which player(s) in this game can best read you?
Definitely not Mog.
8. How many games have you played?
Too many.
9. Who would you fearkill N1?
Glow or Tom Darling.
10. Will Ness answer this RQS?
Nope.

Ness vs Toad seems town vs town to me.... Toad usually does this thing were he pushes a couple players D1 to get a reaction out of them, and Ness being so emotional reminds me of his old play style as town.

Ness i hope you decide to stay in the game, i know it gets emotional at times, but you don't have anything to be embarrassed about, sometimes our emotions get the better of us, but we fam here, no worries little Pineapple Head.

Dolby & ILoveYou you guys are too smart for me you post make my head go in circles and after a long day of work, i just can't.

Tom i dont like the whole "im not gonna open my role pm" i think you lied and said this once before as scum, and if you are town... you could be an important PR and if you don't know, how is that helping us ?

FireNinja & Punchy i dont even know what to say, you guys are clogging the thread with nonsense and its very annoying to read page after page of it.
 
oi oi me here woooooo
Also I'm currently on the bus and late for school so this is rushed

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1. What is your timezone? GMT

2. How active will you be this game? a bit but I have school too much hw botw etc

3. Preferred pronoun? she/here/hi

4. Do you prefer being town or being mafia? never been mafia so town I guess

5. How do you handle pressure? cry

6. Which player(s) in this game can you read the best? no one

7. Which player(s) in this game can best read you? no one

8. How many games have you played? I dunno about 5?????

9. Who would you fearkill N1? um halp definition ples Google didn't help me

10. Will Ness answer this RQS? that's for him to decide tbh.

Ok I've got notes of my next post but I don't have time rn adios
 
I'm using a google doc this game. RIP to people who hate reading. This is an abbreviated version of the key points I feel the need to bring up with players who have posted.

Kayla

-Thinks this is still 2014 and that we'll lynch inactives or no lynch.
-Stuck to her guns about it even though Dolby is the right one in their argument.
-Just recently getting around to scumhunting in her more recent posts with this lynching argument aside and I have to say I very much agree with the point she made on Trundle about feeling more sure about somebody like Dolby, who is one of the hardest people in the game to read, and yet less sure about some newb.
-Welcome back to tbt mafia though.

Dolby

-Says he?d fearkill me. (?...implying he actually fearkills)
-After explaining why we don't really no lynch or lynch inactives anymore he concluded his debate with Kayla by saying that scum Kayla would be more keen to quietly adapt to the new meta and this makes her come off as town. I agree with this, but I want to caution that she's capable of using her old tbt mafia player background as an excuse to coast on old strat and she needs to be expected to make a decent amount of reads.
-He?s actually scumhunting, really the only person doing that earlier on in the day.
-Despite scumhunting and having a lot of points I agree with I am still wary of him, he is saying all of the right things. He has provided reasons to dislike both FireNinja and Punchy but his largest read so far seems to be against Toads in that how Toads has utilized Punchy seems like something an opportunistic scumtoads would do.
-Points out a post of Ness as being townish because it is what he thought at the time, and I think just because somebody can read into the situation similarly doesn't mean you should write them off as town so I hope that isn't what is going on here.

Honestly Dolby remains hard to read but at the moment he seems more town. That being said I don't like that he is just townreading Ness because he had a similar train of thought at a certain moment in the game. I'll be interested in how his reads on Ness since then have developed because if he just townreads him over that I think it's cautionless.


Ness

-Seemed to defend Punchy as an inexperienced player doing something stupid.
-Said something about how Tom was saying to vote for Ness pre-game as a joke and Punchy ended up spamming that joke in discord before the game - was this an implication that they're teamed? It seems like a small comment that probably didn't mean much at the time, but considering his read against Mog, it's somewhat hypocritical if that's the point he was trying to make out of it. idk what the comment about how it was funny Tom said to lynch him when Punchy was saying it nonstop in discord, is he trying to imply a Tom and Punchy team through this? He seemed to also kinda defend Punchy as just doing something stupid earlier so idk, but it stood out for some reason.
-I know he was on mobile but Ness seemed rushed to get some sort of content out there and I am used to seeing him unapologetically not posting until he?s able to irl outside of EoD, so this throws me off but it?s just a very soft sus. He eventually made a larger post that I am used to seeing out of him, though. And I like that he did.
-Seems to also put the suggestion out there that FireNinja could be reaction testing as he was firing out some quick thoughts and it seemed like a defense of FireNinja when nobody was asking for a defense or excuse for his quickly concluded vote on Punchy.
-There is one point in his big post that I don't like however and it is that the thing he found strange from Mog isn?t strange at all. Mog is just positing that one of these days someone is going to take advantage of the start of game jokevote on their friend as a means of reverse psychology. That, and I was still recalling that moment where you aired that thought about the Tom and Punchy thing pre-game so it makes sense for Punchy to respond to it as tunneling.
-I'm not putting it past Ness that that last post could possibly be AtE. The whole modkill me because I broke a rule thing.

FireNinja

-Voted for Punchy over one simple thing, and I don?t think he has played with Punchy before either. I agree that what Punchy said was weird and out of place but I am also considering that if Punchy is inexperienced town acting wacky and he isn't mafia, this can very much be looked back upon as jumping on easy prey.

-Also if you are going to answer RQS with a bunch of ?not saying? then just ignore the RQS

Tom

-Not taking the game too seriously yet, in short. Which is characteristic of him but still something that can be used to do some initial coasting until there?s fodder.

-Agrees with Kayla's thoughts what a nub

Punchy

Tbh the only thing I don?t like about him so far is him saying he is going to play a different playstyle this game even though nobody asked. Also has a theory he doesn?t want to reveal. The latter I want him to expand on.

Toads

-Questioned punchy on the playstyle comment and reads it as jester and uses that read as a reason not to vote Punchy
-Proceeds to hardpush on Punchy and pretty much tunnel him until that argument with Ness happened.
-Defense from Dolby is interesting in that he reveals he is in part trying to see if he can break Punchy (very me thing to do tbh) but if he cared more about the interest of town than his own tail then he would just not reveal this. This is what I feel the worst about so far in Toad's play.
-I don?t think Punchy asking how he is trying to look town is desparate, that seems pushy.
-It seems he is the one whose buttons were pushed the most, by Ness. Said he was trying to act like the mediator master in his argument back and forth with him and I thought that particular comment was a reach out of nowhere. He's been guilty of that before but not in this game yet imo.
-Townread Ness after their distractedly petty argument.

Rune

-Posts to say he may be inactive but promises some activity later
-Says not to vote punchy but doesn?t provide a reason as for why not or agree with a reason already presented
-Is wary of lynching Punchy because of how Toads has been acting, especially after he said right out in the thread that he was trying to push Punchy?s buttons and we just accepted that. And I like that because I was thinking the same thing before I caught up to his clarification post.

Mogyay

-Not much content in what she has posted so far, just some generic RQS answers that don?t give us much.
Although

1) Just cause you say you will be on the inactive side doesn't mean I won't call out coasting if I see it, especially if your EoD actions suggest coasting.

but 2) I agree, at some point, somebody is going to use this pre-game joke voting as reverse psychology.

Need more reads from Mog though.

Trundle

-I agree with what Kayla said about him being able to read Dolby better than a new player, as a reminder.
-But to expand on that, he said he had like 5-6 red flags but only airs two scumreads.
-Sides with Toads reads against Punchy and townreads Toads because of how Toads played in his last game as mafia, and I would like for him to get into specifics here, because Toads was in a very specific situation in that game with how he had a lot of heat on him and made a claim that then got countered. Most of that scumplay turned out to take on a damage-control angle from that point onwards.

Kamm and Ghostkid

Both completely new, and with Ghost in particular, would have to be dumbtelling if he said he didn?t know what a fearkill was as mafia. Both have said things that seem very mafia-uneducated and in both cases I don't read it as dumbtelling but I am watching their content for now.

Ryumia

-In a similar category to the two above but has one game behind her. Very little content.
-I didn't like how she chimed in to implore Ness to stay in the game and said it would be sad for him to leave.

Jacob

-Sees GhostKid as a townslip. Jacob is really fond of looking for slips as town.
-I agree that Kayla should play organically because telling her to do otherwise would muddy what is otherwise kind of a good townread for me, if anything me thinking about it makes me realize that unless the suggestion is fabricated, Kayla and Punchy are in the least not teamed.

Gigalabesh

-NOAV SCUM
-Completely new, should lump with Kamm and Ghost but he has no avatar and that makes him scum of the earth.
-Honestly though, that aside, just waiting for content here.

Heyden

-Tells town what to do and calls it housekeeping and that can come off as trying to come off as productive although I will give that there are a lot of completely new people in this game
-Sees FireNinja as being distracting
-If you found that distracting you better have something to say about a whole 2 pages of pettiness between Ness and Toads.
-Said I was on scumteam in RQS answer before I even opened TBT. Hurtful.

Antonio

-Nullreads Punchy but says he doesn?t think hes maf
-Not much content other than that.

Glow

-Waiting for the reads. That second pairing she gave, Dolby/Antonio, is vague af.

Panda

-I also dislike that she is pleading for Ness to stay in the game but I'm more concerned with some pretty simple issues making her head spin around. The discussion that Dolby and Kayla were involved in is not that difficult to understand and neither is the Punchy vs FireNinja conflict. Seems like a filler post to me.

Dedenne

-Need reads, not RQS answers.

And waiting on whoever else isn't here yet.

Honestly my strongest suspects are Ness, Toads, Trundle, FireNinja, Punchy, Panda, and Ryumia or however you spell it in order of sus. The confounding thing is that a lot of these people lack compatibility so I would switch it up based on who flips what. For example, unless that argument was fabrication, I don't see Ness and Toads as being on the same team.

Gun to my head, I would take Toad's side in Toads vs Ness and Punchy's side in FireNinja vs Punchy.

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...yeah that turned out to be a wall of text

I've had a boring night at work

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Too long; didn't read: learn to.
 
Hi, I like your flair, but I disagree. Unhelpful players are going to be unhelpful, but we shouldn't kill people off just for the sake of that. Its part of the reason why I always allow WotC in my games yet nobody ever uses, people wonder why "ugh this player is so annoying" when nobody uses the way to keep them out of games in the first place. I personally prioritize information over being rid of nuisances, but should one of the "deadweight" players appear scummy to me then I will determine whether I want to see lynched.

We have the roles like doc and veteran for a reason you know, the good players usually live for atleast some amount of time before all of them are completely killed off. While an easy scum strategy is to kill off the better players to leave the sheep, don't you think that it's kinda a poor idea to be wasting our lynch on newbie players considering that in a game this size we're more than likely to have a higher mafia count, possibly with a hostile third party? It just seems redundant to take out 1 newbie player when mafia/potential third party roles possess the capability of killing 2-4 of the good players a night

That's fine I completely understand that you guys prefer information over choosing a nuisance for Day One. I do see your point about not lynching the players that tend to stay alive towards the end but I hope you see my point too about how leaving them in the game promotes the ideal endgame scenario for mafia. Other than that Dad is right, I barely found time to try to get my own opinions out there because I was stuck on the defence for my views on wanting to lynch a player that would be the most likely to slide by until the end.

Is there anyone else that wants to summarize what Dolby already said ? Please just read my answers already given in the thread.

So besides Tom not posting much, Trundle clearing people as Town too quickly without providing good reasons and too many players falling silent but still viewing the thread .. I wanted to bring this post up super quickly as well:

Just some quick housekeeping for the surplus of nubs and everyone else I guess bc these are always problems in games;

-Don?t claim, keep your role a secret. Even if you?re a townie with no powers, claiming will only narrow down who the blue roles (power roles) are. Just don?t do it pls. The only time you should claim is if you?re up for a lynch and several people ask you to claim.

-Be active, but don?t spam pls. Of course one-liners are fine, just try and be mindful of others by condensing your posts so people don?t have to go through hundreds of filler.

This is just stating the obvious. I feel like you definitely should be joining us more in the conversations we have going on in this thread because this post is not enough. If anything it just looks like you've covered yourself with a blanket of pro-town advice in an attempt to blend in.

That actually goes for Jacob too. I don't know if you usually play like this so I'm taking a leap with this entire paragraph, but your posts just focused on the fact that Punchy shouldn't have advised me to read up on old threads. Do you have any thoughts on anything else besides that one little moment from Punchy ? So much more has happened besides that so I feel like you're sitting back a bit when you clearly have some constructive opinions, that you can add to the thread. I did like what you pointed out to Punchy by the way. I would have also mentioned Antonio but he already posted that he will be making a post so I'm looking forward to that, especially since so far his only thoughts were .. yet again .. on typical, easy, distraction Punchy.
 
Wait why is Dolby "Town" for you yet GhostKid is "probably Town" ? To me that just looks like you're confirming Dolby right off the bat while the nub gets "probably Town". Let's not rule out Dokby that quickly. Just as you wouldn't anyone else.

Also Punchy is distracting. Why would you jump on a player like him and label him as "possible mafia". Although I am definitely not ruling him out. I just mean he seems too much like an easy target right now.

These were just the first questions that came to my mind from your post Trundle. The rest I can't comment on yet because I feel they haven't posted enough.

I can usually tell pretty early when Dolby is town, and I don't think he'd be picking such a large semantic argument with you right now if he was scum. Punchy is labelled possible mafia because while I think our entire focus is in a bad spot, I do realize that Punchy is playing differently than normal. Most people don't switch playstyles from town game to town game. Ghostkid looks like noob town. No offense but calling me out for reads I made 3 hours into the game is pretty bad of you. Have you lost your touch?
 
By the way, just like I thought. The typical players like Gigabanoush and GhostKid are posting the bare minimum ( just the RQ and then random stuff ) to be deemed as active but not posting enough to get on peoples' radars. Watch them make it to the end while the rest of us die.

Kammm also just simply agreed with one of my bigger posts and disappeared after that. When her & Tom are doing that, I feel like they're using me as a shield to cover themselves in the thread.
 
@Dad I am not really siding with toads at all actually. My reads are independent of what he has said this game. I think toads/Ness is town vs town (@glow) but I haven't really read into it too much, I just barely skimmed it.

I can elaborate on Tom. If you go back and read his games you'll quickly realize his D1 posts are always super memey/jokey when he is mafia, however he will often try to make some valid points near the end of D1 if we pressure him enough. I don't want to push on him too hard yet though because I'd like to see how he responds to my call before I can read him any more.

Punchy's posts are different than any other game (he/she) has played. This is really all I noticed and I think there is a possibility of mafia due to this (usually someone changing their playstyle means they're in a role they're not used to playing).

And to respond to your second bullet point, I never said I had 5-6 red flags. Might be worth pointing out that when I said red flags I meant things going on in the game that are anti-town. For example, toads/Ness bickering is definitely another huge distraction, as well as toads/Punchy. I mean all in all toads is being super distracting and should probably chill out. You jump to conclusions way too fast.
 
By the way, just like I thought. The typical players like Gigabanoush and GhostKid are posting the bare minimum ( just the RQ and then random stuff ) to be deemed as active but not posting enough to get on peoples' radars. Watch them make it to the end while the rest of us die.

Kammm also just simply agreed with one of my bigger posts and disappeared after that. When her & Tom are doing that, I feel like they're using me as a shield to cover themselves in the thread.
Im just watching everyone eles mostly to see how this gsme goes.
 
@dad I honestly don't think me talking about trying to push punchy affects it that much. If it was on dolby or you or something, yeah that would break what I was trying to do, but with punchy its not.

say I was distracting with all that **** yesterday but I think I have pretty strong town reads one punchy and ness.

@trundle I literally rode punchy to death in the last game for the same reason and he was town. Other than that, I agree pretty closely with everything else you said.

Tom absolutely looks scummy now, but tbh I expect that with him.

If ILoveYou can come back and make the posts she has made as scum, then damn you are an amazing player, but I don't see her as scum rn either
 
I can usually tell pretty early when Dolby is town, and I don't think he'd be picking such a large semantic argument with you right now if he was scum. Punchy is labelled possible mafia because while I think our entire focus is in a bad spot, I do realize that Punchy is playing differently than normal. Most people don't switch playstyles from town game to town game. Ghostkid looks like noob town. No offense but calling me out for reads I made 3 hours into the game is pretty bad of you. Have you lost your touch?

Does that mean it will be painfully obvious when / if Dolby is mafia ( in reference to the fact that you can tell pretty early ) ? Anyways I do agree that it is reasonable to lean towards Dolby being Town for now but I definitely would not clear him entirely. I just thought that was odd in comparison to GhostKid. I was simply calling you out because there was literally nothing provided into your reads on people and I wanted to see an expansion on that.

On a side note: I'm going to add Katezilla & Glow to my list of players who are too likely to fly under peoples' radars. Glow's posts are barely there. As for Kate, I noticed she is viewing the thread a lot which means that she is keeping up-to-date with things but not posting. I feel like she may be taking advantage of hiding between the quieter players.
 
I put dolby as nothing rn, there is nothing he has said that would make me believe he is town yet.... and as trundle said it does become obvious as time goes on
 
Does that mean it will be painfully obvious when / if Dolby is mafia ( in reference to the fact that you can tell pretty early ) ? Anyways I do agree that it is reasonable to lean towards Dolby being Town for now but I definitely would not clear him entirely. I just thought that was odd in comparison to GhostKid. I was simply calling you out because there was literally nothing provided into your reads on people and I wanted to see an expansion on that.

On a side note: I'm going to add Katezilla & Glow to my list of players who are too likely to fly under peoples' radars. Glow's posts are barely there. As for Kate, I noticed she is viewing the thread a lot which means that she is keeping up-to-date with things but not posting. I feel like she may be taking advantage of hiding between the quieter players.

Usually if I can tell early it means he's town. If I'm not sure it's usually a 50/50, but I usually have Dolby locked down by end of D2.
 
By the way, just like I thought. The typical players like Gigabanoush and GhostKid are posting the bare minimum ( just the RQ and then random stuff ) to be deemed as active but not posting enough to get on peoples' radars. Watch them make it to the end while the rest of us die.

Kammm also just simply agreed with one of my bigger posts and disappeared after that. When her & Tom are doing that, I feel like they're using me as a shield to cover themselves in the thread.

I'll be posting my response to this shortly. Currently I'm preparing to evict the house for a good 6-7 hours so that pest control can take care of our infestation.
 
good morning! gosh that ness vs toad argument seemed super odd and blown out of proportion, when i read what ness said in mafia discord i was expecting a lot worse, i know they're both emotional players but that seemed a little odd more than anything, why such an emotional reaction.. anyway.

kayla: i don't really like when people are sussing players for bare minimum activity when it's literally this early in the game? giga and ghost aren't the only players who fall under that category (in fact i'm pretty sure i would lol) why them in particular? it makes sense for new players to get out their rq's so they won't get attacked but aren't familiar enough with the game to actually post yet (same goes for kate) seems like you wanna pick on the weaker players a little bit imo.

trundle: why can't punchy switch from playstyle to playstyle? why isn't that something someone can do, unless you're a very good town player i don't think it's pretty unusual to do that, i think i've only played one game with punchy but i don't remember his playstyle being particularly amazing (or bad, i'm not hating). idk i'm not loving all this punchy stuff, i know a lot of what he's done has been illogical but eh, don't quite see him as scummy yet
 
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