Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[EpicGamer12]

Mog, do you think Punchy is a good enough town player to change playstyles intentionally? If so then I could see why you are reading Punchy as town, but I don't think Punchy has any reason to do that. Usually people only change their playstyle as town when they want to hide better as mafia.

 

[mogyay]

Mog, do you think Punchy is a good enough town player to change playstyles intentionally? If so then I could see why you are reading Punchy as town, but I don't think Punchy has any reason to do that. Usually people only change their playstyle as town when they want to hide better as mafia.

do you have to be a good player to change your style intentionally? i didn't really think of it that way. i'm not reading punchy as town ftr, i'm just not reading him as mafia either? i'm not sure trundle, if you're an actual hindrance to town (which i believe punchy may have been??) then i can see why you might want to. i can see where you're coming from tho

 

[toadsworthy]

We haven't heard from Evan and oath, and some more, so yeah the activity point is dumb

 

[Antonio]

People who haven't posted:

1. oath2order
2. locket
3. amazonevan19
4. Dedenne2

whoop

 

[mogyay]

People who haven't posted:

1. oath2order
2. locket
3. amazonevan19
4. Dedenne2

whoop

dedenne posted rq's

 

[EpicGamer12]

do you have to be a good player to change your style intentionally? i didn't really think of it that way. i'm not reading punchy as town ftr, i'm just not reading him as mafia either? i'm not sure trundle, if you're an actual hindrance to town (which i believe punchy may have been??) then i can see why you might want to. i can see where you're coming from tho

Okay you actually make a pretty valid point there, it'd be nice to hear Punchy's side of this at this point.

 

[Dolby]

alright i stopped at page 15

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toads/ness
antonio/dolby

those pairs are never teamed with each other in any scenario

there?s probably more since the last few pages are the most wordy but i?ve gotta get up in like six hours :3

Ok, admittedly I haven?t read the thread fully and will not be able to read or address anybody for another three hours (Ness in particular), but why are me and Antonio not teamed in any world?

This just caught my eye

 

[iLoveYou]

kayla: i don't really like when people are sussing players for bare minimum activity when it's literally this early in the game? giga and ghost aren't the only players who fall under that category (in fact i'm pretty sure i would lol) why them in particular? it makes sense for new players to get out their rq's so they won't get attacked but aren't familiar enough with the game to actually post yet (same goes for kate) seems like you wanna pick on the weaker players a little bit imp

It's because I don't like having those players who do nothing getting to the end. It gives mafia too much of an easy win towards the end. Although you guys say the players are stronger now so it shouldn't be the case. I have no idea how any of you play so I don't have as much to go off of as you all do. I'm doing my best to piece things together based on how I remember playing. Basing things off activity forces people to post and get themselves out there. You guys probably have buttons to trigger each other and whatnot, but I don't.

I actually called out other players based on their activity so it's no longer just those two. I'm up to 4, on my list of players who I think will fly under peoples' radars. Several have been flying in and out of this thread without posting too. So they're obviously aware of what's going on in the thread.

Ya I'm understanding a bit more why you guys like to use RQs in this game now-a-days. I get it's for familiarizing themselves to the game.

dedenne posted rq's

I think RQs are an easy way for mafia to hide and be deemed as "active". I wouldn't count her RQ post as anything valuable.

 

[mogyay]

It's because I don't like having those players who do nothing getting to the end. It gives mafia too much of an easy win towards the end. Although you guys say the players are stronger now so it shouldn't be the case. I have no idea how any of you play so I don't have as much to go off of as you all do. I'm doing my best to piece things together based on how I remember playing. Basing things off activity forces people to post and get themselves out there. You guys probably have buttons to trigger each other and whatnot, but I don't.

I actually called out other players based on their activity so it's no longer just those two. I'm up to 4, on my list of players who I think will fly under peoples' radars. Several have been flying in and out of this thread without posting too. So they're obviously aware of what's going on in the thread.

Ya I'm understanding a bit more why you guys like to use RQs in this game now-a-days. I get it's for familiarizing themselves to the game.



I think RQs are an easy way for mafia to hide and be deemed as "active". I wouldn't count her RQ post as anything valuable.

right, and i get that. but you have literally no way of knowing they will make it to the end. they are new players, we don't know their schedule, we don't know their playstyle, we know nothing about them. call them out day two, not a few hours into the game. i just don't see how you can mention flying under peoples radars this early into a game with a lot of people, esp with a lot of new people, it's gonna be intimidating, i see where you're coming from i just don't agree

i wouldn't say it was valuable either but antonio said they hadn't posted at all so i was just correcting him

 

[Antonio]

Ok, admittedly I haven’t read the thread fully and will not be able to read or address anybody for another three hours (Ness in particular), but why are me and Antonio not teamed in any world?

This just caught my eye

Because we are from two different worlds. I'm silly and you used to run North Korea. It could never work...

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dedenne posted rq's

My bad.

 

[iLoveYou]

People who haven't posted:

1. oath2order
2. locket
3. amazonevan19
4. Dedenne2

whoop

I wanted to mention Oath2Order too because I find it odd that he hasn't posted once yet. I remember him as being pretty vocal back then. Don't forget about yourself too Antonio. Your contribution thus far has been on the typical easy, distraction-like player Punchy.

 

[toadsworthy]

What I think is lacking in ILoveYou's analyses so far is knowing how new some of the people are, you do really need to take into account context for some people.

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right, and i get that. but you have literally no way of knowing they will make it to the end. they are new players, we don't know their schedule, we don't know their playstyle, we know nothing about them. call them out day two, not a few hours into the game. i just don't see how you can mention flying under peoples radars this early into a game with a lot of people, esp with a lot of new people, it's gonna be intimidating, i see where you're coming from i just don't agree

i wouldn't say it was valuable either but antonio said they hadn't posted at all so i was just correcting him

Mog baby we blend so nice together

 

[Antonio]

I wanted to mention Oath2Order too because I find it odd that he hasn't posted once yet. I remember him as being pretty vocal back then. Don't forget about yourself too Antonio. Your contribution thus far has been on the typical easy, distraction-like player Punchy.

I'm waiting till after school before officially make statements about people. I want to see what happens.

 

[iLoveYou]

right, and i get that. but you have literally no way of knowing they will make it to the end. they are new players, we don't know their schedule, we don't know their playstyle, we know nothing about them. call them out day two, not a few hours into the game. i just don't see how you can mention flying under peoples radars this early into a game with a lot of people, esp with a lot of new people, it's gonna be intimidating, i see where you're coming from i just don't agree

i wouldn't say it was valuable either but antonio said they hadn't posted at all so i was just correcting him

Why wouldn't mafia keep players who are confused and lost in the game ? It's an easy assumption to be made. If you aren't a threat to mafia then you aren't helping Town. If you aren't helping Town then there's no need for you to die right ? Thus making it to the end to ensure an easier win for them. It's painfully obvious that the mafia will never see the "lost players" / "deadweights" as a threat to them. You don't need to see their play schedule to know that.

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What I think is lacking in ILoveYou's analyses so far is knowing how new some of the people are, you do really need to take into account context for some people.

That will just give people an excuse to let people slide towards the end.

 

[mogyay]

Why wouldn't mafia keep players who are confused and lost in the game ? It's an easy assumption to be made. If you aren't a threat to mafia then you aren't helping Town. If you aren't helping Town then there's no need for you to die right ? Thus making it to the end to ensure an easier win for them. It's painfully obvious that the mafia will never see the "lost players" / "deadweights" as a threat to them. You don't need to see their play schedule to know that.

but we don't know they're confused and lost lol. they're new players, they could be as good as dolby and dad for all we know, you're not even giving them a chance. we don't know they're a threat, my point is the game is just starting and they're new players. let them ease into the game first, lynching new people just seems so wrong to me unless we have actual good evidence they might be mafia. let's try not treat them any different than anyone else here. again, i see where you're coming from but... i mean i don't think this discussion should be had right now. i'd much rather see what they're capable of

also unless i'm dumb mafia are probably gonna get rid of the really good players. we might need the lost and confused towns for numbers even if they aren't really contributing. idk i just think it's a dumb move

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ohh sorry disregard the first sentence in second paragraph

 

[Kamzitty]

By the way, just like I thought. The typical players like Gigabanoush and GhostKid are posting the bare minimum ( just the RQ and then random stuff ) to be deemed as active but not posting enough to get on peoples' radars. Watch them make it to the end while the rest of us die.

Kammm also just simply agreed with one of my bigger posts and disappeared after that. When her & Tom are doing that, I feel like they're using me as a shield to cover themselves in the thread.

In response to the part about how I agreed with you and then disappeared, I really don't know what you expected me to say last night lol. I did post a few questions which were ignored, whilst the more experienced players got into...debates? Arguments? I don't know what to call them but I did keep up to date last night and didn't leave till after the toads/ness debate settled down and I went to bed. I'll admit, I felt out of place and didn't feel like I had anything worthwhile to contribute last night which is why it may have seemed like I had disappeared, when I was really reading up on all the posts. I may have invisible mode on so I could turn it off if that helps at all? But anyways, I don't see how agreeing with you seems like I'm hiding behind a "shield". There's not much to go off of yet and being a new player, I'm just looking at everyone else's opinions so far so I can start forming my own. However, even though I'm a bit confused as to why you decided to call me out on "disappearing" when so many other players weren't active last night either lol but I'm glad you did because it gave me the chance to defend myself and formulate a post.
Despite all this, I town lean you the most so far because of your earlier post about RQs. I feel like if you were Mafia, you wouldn't be trying so hard to scumhunt.

 

[iLoveYou]

but we don't know they're confused and lost lol. they're new players, they could be as good as dolby and dad for all we know, you're not even giving them a chance. we don't know they're a threat, my point is the game is just starting and they're new players. let them ease into the game first, lynching new people just seems so wrong to me unless we have actual good evidence they might be mafia. let's try not treat them any different than anyone else here. again, i see where you're coming from but... i mean i don't think this discussion should be had right now. i'd much rather see what they're capable of

also unless i'm dumb mafia are probably gonna get rid of the really good players. we might need the lost and confused towns for numbers even if they aren't really contributing. idk i just think it's a dumb move

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ohh sorry disregard the first sentence in second paragraph

Based on their posts up to now, I think it is safe to assume their level at which they play. I'm sticking with them being deadweights. For sure they can prove me wrong at any time and start actively posting with a higher quality. I'm actually not pushing for a lynch on inactives anymore BUT I will for sure continue my list and commentary on them. Assuming there is a mafia hiding amongst the deadweights -> Mafia deadweight = mafia KP just as much as you are arguing that deadweights are numbers for Town. Also, they are numbers for Town until they don't think for themselves and just bandwagon on anyone who posts any little thing deemed as valid. That is when they become numbers for mafia.

Like I said, I understand why everyone is so against lynching deadweights but I hope everyone understands my point of how it can lead to an ideal scenario for mafia towards the end. So let's not overlook them completely either. I remmeber too many times in the past where deadweights ended up being mafia towards the end.

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I'm at work right now. i'll answer to what I can later.

 

[amazonevan19]

Hey guys I’m here, going to be doing some gardening today for a few hours then catch up here. When’s EoD?

 

[Ryumia]

I found out through Discord that thread was locked for sometime. Vanessa said that it was only locked for like maybe two hours. But... I'm glad the game is back on again.

And what do you think might come from asking players questions Toad? Reads. Questions, speculation, and analysis in that order is the entire purpose of this game.

I always thought that the entire purpose would be achieving the wincon of the role one has.

Like:

- Mafia's objective to rid of Town.
- Town's objective to rid of any role that threatens Town.
- With any third party... It just varies.

And things you mentioned were just simply mechanics that one could use to do so.

Tom as not helpful and appearing scummy is pretty much him. We lynched him as a blue role in one game I remember... I forget which one it is

Would that game be Kingmaker? The one where Ness hosted. I remembered that Tom was a vigilante in that game.

It's because I don't like having those players who do nothing getting to the end. It gives mafia too much of an easy win towards the end. Although you guys say the players are stronger now so it shouldn't be the case. I have no idea how any of you play so I don't have as much to go off of as you all do. I'm doing my best to piece things together based on how I remember playing. Basing things off activity forces people to post and get themselves out there. You guys probably have buttons to trigger each other and whatnot, but I don't.

I actually called out other players based on their activity so it's no longer just those two. I'm up to 4, on my list of players who I think will fly under peoples' radars. Several have been flying in and out of this thread without posting too. So they're obviously aware of what's going on in the thread.

Ya I'm understanding a bit more why you guys like to use RQs in this game now-a-days. I get it's for familiarizing themselves to the game.

I think RQs are an easy way for mafia to hide and be deemed as "active". I wouldn't count her RQ post as anything valuable.

I do understand your dilemma of not wanting players who do "nothing" getting to the end. But... Whether or not it would be considered so just seems subjective to me. The whole going after the inactives is one tactic to use I suppose, but I would rather not be heavily reliant on that in the game. I rather keep in mind of other things as well.

Why wouldn't mafia keep players who are confused and lost in the game ? It's an easy assumption to be made. If you aren't a threat to mafia then you aren't helping Town. If you aren't helping Town then there's no need for you to die right ? Thus making it to the end to ensure an easier win for them. It's painfully obvious that the mafia will never see the "lost players" / "deadweights" as a threat to them. You don't need to see their play schedule to know that.

I think you should give it some time. It's not always easy to jump in when playing the game. Just basing this off from the experience I had while playing mafia. It's easy to feel out place when you aren't sure of what to do.

 

[iLoveYou]

Sorry one last thing:

I actually find it weird that mogyay is bringing up something that happened a little while ago after I'm posting calling out people. Nonetheless I do understand where you are coming from, because everyone else said the same thing about how it wouldn't be a good move.