Mafia CHATBOT MAFIA...Chapter 5: The Glitch... ENDGAME?

[BetsySundrop]

Wait, but doesn't that mean they have to choose who to block at night? It doesn't seem enough if they block the wrong person?

Usually it's 1 maf for every 5 town, from what I've seen. Having the town this powered up, still seems like they'd have something better.

i assume the mafia is a role blocker

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Yall...if we could only prove we were town somehow....hmm....

 

[Damniel]

Wait, but doesn't that mean they have to choose who to block at night? It doesn't seem enough if they block the wrong person?

Usually it's 1 maf for every 5 town, from what I've seen. Having the town this powered up, still seems like they'd have something better.

it depends on the strength of the active power and if they also have a passive power

 

[kikotoot]

i will do very well in an F3

If this is all you have to say, I am quite sad


Am gonna wait a bit more to let people gather all their thoughts and things before proceeding further

 

[Damniel]

If this is all you have to say, I am quite sad

sometimes less is more

 

[kikotoot]

sometimes less is more

The equivalent of a "trust me bro", after that level (my post) of questioning and distrust is more of a punchline than productive ngl.

No elaboration on what you read about me from that post either even

 

[Damniel]

The equivalent of a "trust me bro", after that level (my post) of questioning and distrust is more of a punchline than productive ngl.

No elaboration on what you read about me from that post either even

i don’t know what you want me to do other than to further allude to my role which I will not do

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like, your post is mostly of the two possible partners for me which just aren’t true. i feel most of your ire towards me is just my refusal to be baited to leaking my role

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Generally responding to the me and betsy trusting each other now: you guys, do you *seriously* still not see how betsy's *entire* gameplay is consistent with the power that she's alluding to having??? Is no one else mind-melding her on that??? If I was mafia, once I gleaned someone's power (and a potentially useful one at that), would I verify their claims and try to work with them? or play dumb and try to keep the town from trusting them seeing as they had, at that point in time, a poor town-read and I could maybe turn the vote against her, removing that power from the game. I could have so easily thought: "I get it, betsy's an imminent threat, gotta keep people with being sus of her and try to get her voted off" vs doing the complete opposite.

I was, I said I think I know exactly what her power is up until she said you know what. I don't care I'm giving the item to you when you were willing to give it to her. She said she trusts no one as town yet but this action screams I am okay with you representing in F3. If she took the item I wouldn't be hesitating her at all. I would probably question yo about it a little more though, but based on how you already said you would give it to her and Dolby it wasn't as much of a game changer as Betsy saying, I don't need the off chance of a shield after all.

 

[kikotoot]

i feel most of your ire towards me is just my refusal to be baited to leaking my role

It's more the fact that you're most closely linked to/aligned with frosty and dolby, neither of which are me or betsy, and playing for a solo "deus ex machina" moment, which I just don't understand why from a townie perspective

 

[BetsySundrop]

I was, I said I think I know exactly what her power is up until she said you know what. I don't care I'm giving the item to you when you were willing to give it to her. She said she trusts no one as town yet but this action screams I am okay with you representing in F3. If she took the item I wouldn't be hesitating her at all. I would probably question yo about it a little more though, but based on how you already said you would give it to her and Dolby it wasn't as much of a game changer as Betsy saying, I don't need the off chance of a shield after all.

It's because my role is a double edged sword in my stupid hands...

Not a literal sword, at all. But it has a huge benefit, and in my incapable hands, a huge disadvantage.

 

[Damniel]

planning who goes into the F3 I think only really works if there’s a player that’s obvious low hanging fruit (like if an inactive was still alive). Each player in this game has generated enough content where, in a F3, I would critically reevaluate each player. I think planning ahead for a F3 is even weirder bc it implies that the person believes the current wagons will lead to an mis elimination and they are already preparing that far ahead for it

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Now that frosty's genuinely at risk, he and frosty are sharing the same target and pushing to get them out instead.

I'm sorry but I don't really see that? I have been pretty up front about my suspicion on you, and just because I am rethinking Betsy doesn't mean I'm going for the same target? Right now this is a 5 person game. There are only four suspects each one of use can go for. We both happen to think Dolby is town so there is only three options left??? It's not like we're picking the same exact person for the same exact ar

I can't speak for why Dan is town reading me, but I don't remember ever saying I hard town read him. I just trust Dolby and there was a much more obvious red flag maf.

 

[Damniel]

It's more the fact that you're most closely linked to/aligned with frosty and dolby, neither of which are me or betsy, and playing for a solo "deus ex machina" moment, which I just don't understand why from a townie perspective

i can’t deny the link between me and dolby. Frosty i just think is town for reasons stated before and I just think they’ve never shown any signs of them having more information than the rest of us. i don’t think there’s much of a town need to completely understand and fish out our roles, bc i don’t think the item would help all that much

 

[kikotoot]

You've been consistent with me yeah frosty, I think it was dan who jumped in to agree with you and go "yeah let's kikotoot!"

I'm sorry but I don't really see that? I have been pretty up front about my suspicion on you, and just because I am rethinking Betsy doesn't mean I'm going for the same target? Right now this is a 5 person game. There are only four suspects each one of use can go for. We both happen to think Dolby is town so there is only three options left??? It's not like we're picking the same exact person for the same exact ar

I can't speak for why Dan is town reading me, but I don't remember ever saying I hard town read him. I just trust Dolby and there was a much more obvious red flag maf.

dolby I can't fully trust rn

 

[Damniel]

planning who goes into the F3 I think only really works if there’s a player that’s obvious low hanging fruit (like if an inactive was still alive). Each player in this game has generated enough content where, in a F3, I would critically reevaluate each player. I think planning ahead for a F3 is even weirder bc it implies that the person believes the current wagons will lead to an mis elimination and they are already preparing that far ahead for it

i/e, a lone wolf knowing a F3 is the only way they can win

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You've been consistent with me yeah frosty, I think it was dan who jumped in to agree with you and go "yeah let's kikotoot!"

dolby I can't fully trust rn

i have always shared my skepticism for you. the only sus i dropped was the TMI about you believing there to be 2 mafia

 

[kikotoot]

I think planning ahead for a F3 is even weirder bc it implies that the person believes the current wagons will lead to an mis elimination and they are already preparing that far ahead for it

better safe than sorry
and also, i'm genuinely not sure yet which of the three of you I'd vote to elim, whether there's 1 or 2 mafia, choosing 1 person from 3 has a chance of a miselim

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

There are some of my first questions for you: can you clue us in on what goals you have, if any, as a townie? why you have not tried to take the target off the powerful townies in the case your power is relatively weaker? What f3 are you picturing being best for the townies and why? (frosty's a wild card in f3 and dolby's power might be outright useless. Is that what you think is best for the townies? I don't buy it. You're smarter than that) and whatever else in there I'm missing, I'm sorry, my brain is a jumble. TLR, outside of giving reads and participating in mafia, how have you been gaming for the townies' sake???

I don't want to give away my power, but the best hint I could give is it could turn tomorrow into a 4 player day instead of a 3 player day if the condition is met. I have to be alive by eod to use it, but I don't necessarily have to survive the night. See if you can figure it out. I would have spoken up about it much sooner when Betsy was explaining her power but it was already too late. But beyond that my endgame is us townies winning. Why would I want it to be a day 3 game when we could end it day 2, I think you're mafia, I'm trying to get you out????? You make it seem that because I suspect you I have no game plan?

 

[kikotoot]

You make it seem that because I suspect you I have no game plan?

Your entire post there feels very townie to me. I am very sorry if my behaviour today feels at all like it's personal or anything like that. I'm literally just trying to survive the vote today, and if possible, prevent a miselim. I was unsure who I'd vote out, betsy yesterday was leaning you, and you and dan were leaning me. You have to see how being in that position would force me to get a bit more aggressive to get information and justify my position in the game.

 

[BetsySundrop]

planning who goes into the F3 I think only really works if there’s a player that’s obvious low hanging fruit (like if an inactive was still alive). Each player in this game has generated enough content where, in a F3, I would critically reevaluate each player. I think planning ahead for a F3 is even weirder bc it implies that the person believes the current wagons will lead to an mis elimination and they are already preparing that far ahead for it

I disagree. Looking ahead to possible f3 helps town see what might be going on d2.

That's how I figured out what tae was doing last game. I listed all the future f3 possibilities, then looked at the current d2 actions and uncovered the wolf.

Are you saying you don't consider who would be left in f3 at all?

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

I still don't see the Dan Dolby pair. I dunno what to say beyond that. I still don't see the 2 maf pair period.

In this post, I am literally coming after the 3 people who will determine if I survive or die to today's vote. If I was mafia, would this be the play? or would I be focused on self-preservation, getting on the good side of the majority. Instead, I'm desperately trying to get to the bottom of who's a townie. You tell me how these actions read.

I don't see how it's any different than shifting suspicion. You only focusing on this being a 2 mafia game is to cast suspicion on each other and make F3 less black and white imo. Which would benefit a mafia kiko greatly. If you want to give more reasons why we are all maf separately that could help.

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I dunno who else to give it to!

I never trust dan. Mechanics and balance have me really worried. I can't bring myself to put the whole game in the hands of 1 person, who I think is likely town, maybe, probably ish?

Yourself! Kiko was letting you have it. This is why I'm confused about you right now. Kiko was letting you have it, and because of that, you said 'Kiko, you're town, I want you to have the item'. Why didn't you take it? I get not waiting for me if you didn't think I would give you the vote, but I thought I was being pretty clear that I was understanding your side.

The reason I voted Dolby is because I believe he is town. I believe Kiko is mafia. You pretty much forced my hand into a Dolby vote and putting everything on him.

 

[BetsySundrop]

Kiko!!!!

@kikotoot yes!!!!! Part 2!!!

I am just done with part 1, now is part 2, and it is exactly what I was referring to as being useful in f3.

I'll leave it up to you, but yeah I could see a dan/frosty team.

Or in wild crazy tinfoil land, a dolby godfather with a vest!

Depending on your aspects of part 2. There may be a betsy part 2!!!