Mafia Forest Fire Mafia - Town Win- Endgame

[oath2order]

@Daniel

Doesn't really matter unless they post in the thread. At this point, they'll be modkilled because they didn't post day one, night one and now day two. Bed time for me though. Will read replies in the AM.

Was there a reason that Mother of all llama's vote wasn't counted, making a tie between Daniel and Starry and thus a no lynch? 5 =/= majority

Minties we're doing plurality not majority

This game uses plurality lynch. Whoever has the most amount of votes by the end of the day will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the person first to reach the amount of votes will be lynched.

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i mean monroe

 

[EpicGamer12]

O. You wanna calm the **** down mate?

Calling you out for playing ****ty isn't being salty. Actually the most common target for me in games is Dad because he is active and analyses well, not you and he's not playing this one. I also said that someone could have protected me randomly because Oath made a big deal about me joining before the game started. We have not had ANY OTHER claims by people that were protected and I'm assuming with a player base this size that there would only be one doctor. If I was lying, they could easily claim that they protected someone else and boom I'm dead. That's stupid as hell, almost as stupid as Tom's watcher claim in reindeer mafia. I do like how you continue to try to dispute the fact that I'm telling the truth despite not a single counter claim. Since Ness PMs who gets doused, the pool of who could be mafia shrinks each day and it's only a matter of time now Trundy-poo.

If you're clearly the strongest "town" player in the game that HAS to be silenced, then why didn't you get targeted last night? If you're so damn amazing then why weren't you hit?

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Tangent - why the **** did Trojan get doused? Out of all the players, why someone like that?

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So much wrong with this though. You of all people know that losing town for no reason hurts town. If you are actually town, you FIGHT to win. You don't roll over on your back and tell people to kill you.

Never said I'm the strongest town player, I just said you and Tom both enjoy targeting my early. I honestly don't know about you Minties, I think you're coming off as scum, although you just made a post that I mostly agree with. Although I still think it's very possible you're scum, especially with how you and Tom are interacting.

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Also, if you have any questions for me, ask away. I don't feel like I should have any reason to defend myself as there has been nothing of substance put on me so far yet. I just want more people to actually post, holy crap.

 

[oath2order]

To be fair though, Monroe Minties did claim being hit last night

 

[Trent the Paladin]

I just woke up and I'm enjoying catching up on the thread. It's interesting how negatively y'all reacted to me saying I'll surrender my vote to clear my alignment. The only problem with stumping me is that it's a lynch lost where we could have hit arson instead.

 

[ZetaFunction]

Reading everything that happened... I'll be posting my reads soon.
Also, I'm inactive on here because irl things are currently my major priority; studying for ACT testing and my job counselor are literally all that's on my mind 24/7, so TBT has been shoved on the back burner.

 

[Damniel]

Never said I'm the strongest town player, I just said you and Tom both enjoy targeting my early. I honestly don't know about you Minties, I think you're coming off as scum, although you just made a post that I mostly agree with. Although I still think it's very possible you're scum, especially with how you and Tom are interacting.

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Also, if you have any questions for me, ask away. I don't feel like I should have any reason to defend myself as there has been nothing of substance put on me so far yet. I just want more people to actually post, holy crap.

Pretty sure minties and Trojan are town because they claim to be hot. No one else counterclaims unless scum intentionally hot inactives to avoid being counterclaimed, but I highly doubt that.

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I just woke up and I'm enjoying catching up on the thread. It's interesting how negatively y'all reacted to me saying I'll surrender my vote to clear my alignment. The only problem with stumping me is that it's a lynch lost where we could have hit arson instead.

Yeah I'm not fond of lynching town just for the sake of proving you innocent when we can look for scum. Really only a few people are suspicious of you, I don't see why you're willing to be lynched to be honest.

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Doused*

 

[ZetaFunction]

Reads:

Spoiler:

Thanks for saving me last night whoever did. Love you long time. Also why tf do people always try to kill me N1?

Today is between Trundle, Daniel and Oath imo.

Claiming doused and saved.

so you think Minties is lying about being doused ? and being saved ?

Brings up a good point, since it's impossible to know if Mintites lied about it, and instead a random inactive was doused, or if Minties was or wasn't doused.

Ok I wasn't scumhunting seriously on my first game for obvious reasons so I didn't learn much on how to scumhunt. If you think there is something lacking in my suspicion and/or reading, please point out why as I am eager to learn in this game.

For now, I have reasons to suspect Daniel and Tom are in a scum team. I can point out the evidence from their posts later but as I am on phone right now, so I'll do it without their posts first

First, Daniel. He started the mislynch on Starry from what I've read and I would probably dismiss him as a bad town if it wasn't how he reacted after it turned to be a bad mislynch. From what I've noticed:

• He started to bandwagon for Starry because she's inactive and will hinder the game, said she's a good lynch but seems not sure himself that she's scum and can't provide better evidence beside her past behaviour
• Also claims he started the bandwagon to get people going and start examining others too
• Yet when people pointed out that lynching Starry may not be good choice, Daniel stuck to his view and insist on lynching Starry
• After Starry turned out to be a Blue Role, he doesn't seem to feel sorry for the mislynch and kept trying to justify his view, and can be seen panicking because he's next to lynch. As you said, mislynching seems common on the first day but there is no reason for you to panic and defend yourself at any accusation thrown at you, unless you're scum and realized you screwed up.

Here's what I think happened:

• Daniel might be the only active scum in the team, and wanted to be a good scum, he thought he should lead a mislynch on someone, and what better candidate but Starry, who no one trust, isn't viewed well in other player's eyes, and is away so she can't defend herself? It'Il be an easy mislynch
• Unfortunately this backfired on him because it makes him scummier to do an obvious mislynch. He panicks and defend himself badly, showing how inconsistent he is with his reasons (probably because he didn't have any in the first place)
• Haydenn and Aelia gets replaced by Tom and me. Ness was quick in replacing Haydenn, so if my guess about Daniel working alone is right, then I think Haydenn was Arsonists Leader
• He was replaced by Tom and, seeing his teammate is under fire, swoops in with his TL;DR post. He didn't clear Daniel quickly and called him dumb scum, probably to make him look like he's not with him, but he agreed on the Starry lynch to probably make Daniel less scum. He didn't attack him but instead, try to find other players for town to be suspicious on. You can see on his posts that he tried to put the spotlight on Trundle, and then lurkers (Dolby for example), so town can look away from Daniel's mistake.

That's my reading so far. I'm not sure how to put my thoughts into words so if this is a pain to read, I'm sorry. Please point out any mistake I might have in my read, and if you have your own thoughts on who is more suspicious, I'd also love to hear it.

Seems to be pushing for Dannyboi and Tom as arsonists, and isn't really bringing up any good facts. This is one of the few posts you actually contribute much to the game, besides a few where you back up this theory.

DGAF ! lynch me and then town knows exactly who to lynch... seriously...

and of course im tunneling on Daniel
A: i feel pretty strongly about hi being scum
B: who the heck else am i gonna scum hunt seriously i think theres only like the 4 or 5 of us playing this game other than the occasional person the pops in and leaves.

Doesn't care if they're lynched; if you're town why do you want lynched? Seems scummy to me, since it seems to me you're trying to make yourself look like you're a definite town by convincing everyone that you'll turn up town if lynched.

Lol Tom you wrote a long post then brought up that I might be scum. Just what I expected on how you'd react

You might have bigger fish to fry in mind but I care about lessening how many people arsonist can douse in one night. I am ready to be suspected if Daniel ends up being town, but as I see it, Daniel is the most obvioust scum to me atm and I'm simply reminding everyone that we should keep an eye on him. I said at the end of the post that if anyone has anyone else more suspicious to them then simply said so, which means I am willing to change my focus if there is someone who is more of a threat than Daniel. But as there's little activity from other players, my focus will be on Daniel.

And Tom, if you noticed, I brought up the possibility that you might be leader based on what I think happened, but the rest of my replies afterwards was trying to get Daniel on the corner. Your reactions just increase my suspicion on you

Just like Ayayayayayay you're trying to come off as an obvious townie, and doesn't bring up many strong points.

It could just be a panda/ayaya team as tom and I are a team as she says
Panda is alone, has had no experience as scum so goes at me for leading a lynch she knows is town and goes to fierce opposition but doesn't little to change it.
Ayaya replaces an inactive and defends panda for the senseless accusations and tunnel she had done.
Your plan:
Panda first accuses me for mislynch(started by new lone scum)
Ayaya adds more(now working together)
I get lynched
One of you blame the other for my mislynch
One of you flips scum
Other is now 100% town

That team makes more sense than me and tom when you think about it. If we were team and tom defends me but I flip, he's odviously scum and is lynched next day.

Explains the Ayayayayay's/Panda's scummy behavior

Honey if I was on a team with Daniel I would have dropped him like that rock I caught when I went fishing a long time ago.

True; any scumleader in my mind would have enough sense in their mind to drop Dannyboi and let him die if he was actually scum. This makes me really believe that Ayayayayay/Panda are scum

Except there's one huge, glaring hole with your accusation there - I was protected from being doused with gas. Mafia can't douse their own team. No one has cc'd being protected because I WAS THE ONLY ONE PROTECTED. Whoever did must have either known that I always die N1 or happened by chance to protect me. The fact that you "forgot" that just sets off all my scum radars. Anyone using their brain would realise that I would have to be town if I got a PM protection.

To be honest, I'm almost positive you're scum. This is how you play because it's hard for you to pretend your innocent when you're red. You get quite and post general recap of the game. I'm probably going to vote for you today because Daniel will become increasingly obvious when you flip red.

Mafia can't douse their own kind; true. But mafia can lie about being doused, and they can lie about being saved.
You also haven't posted and contributed much that pushes anyone in any certain direction, and you were the first to claim doused, which makes me suspect you.

Yay more active players! I admit my reading isn't the best, and I will read your replies now. I wrote this one after Daniel joined in the Ayaya/Panda scum team btw.

Here what I'm seeing is happening/was happening:

• Thread becomes quiet slowly after Daniel vs Oath
• Daniel & Panda mostly posting their replies
• I post my read pointing at Daniel & Tom while me, Daniel, and Panda are online
• Tom comes on (probably after Daniel told him about my post) and Daniel continues to defend himself, with Panda agreeing on my posts
• Tom then points out Panda is tunneling, then paint the people going against Daniel as scum (Which would be me, Panda, and Oath)
• Daniel joins in and agree Panda and I are scum team.

Either you guys are bad towns for suspecting me for my attempt at reading, or you are scums Though Tom, you brought good points about Panda. That does sound like a good mafia tactic to defend an innocent, but as it stands Panda doesn't look scummy to me. If Daniel flips as town tho, I will consider her as a suspect.

The things in bold make you seem scummier considering Tom's and Dannyboi's posts. Why would you wait to post your reads until people are online? If you were scum, you'd probably be having scum review them and perfecting them. Also, Panda agrees with you, and you continue to push the Dannyboi/Tom scum team.

So far, I'm seeing Minties as 50/50 town/scum; Tom, Dannyboi, Oath, and Trojan as townie; and Panda, Ayayayayay, and White Claw as most likely scum.

 

[Damniel]

Reads:

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Claiming doused and saved.



Brings up a good point, since it's impossible to know if Mintites lied about it, and instead a random inactive was doused, or if Minties was or wasn't doused.



Seems to be pushing for Dannyboi and Tom as arsonists, and isn't really bringing up any good facts. This is one of the few posts you actually contribute much to the game, besides a few where you back up this theory.



Doesn't care if they're lynched; if you're town why do you want lynched? Seems scummy to me, since it seems to me you're trying to make yourself look like you're a definite town by convincing everyone that you'll turn up town if lynched.



Just like Ayayayayayay you're trying to come off as an obvious townie, and doesn't bring up many strong points.



Explains the Ayayayayay's/Panda's scummy behavior



True; any scumleader in my mind would have enough sense in their mind to drop Dannyboi and let him die if he was actually scum. This makes me really believe that Ayayayayay/Panda are scum



Mafia can't douse their own kind; true. But mafia can lie about being doused, and they can lie about being saved.
You also haven't posted and contributed much that pushes anyone in any certain direction, and you were the first to claim doused, which makes me suspect you.



The things in bold make you seem scummier considering Tom's and Dannyboi's posts. Why would you wait to post your reads until people are online? If you were scum, you'd probably be having scum review them and perfecting them. Also, Panda agrees with you, and you continue to push the Dannyboi/Tom scum team.

So far, I'm seeing Minties as 50/50 town/scum; Tom, Dannyboi, Oath, and Trojan as townie; and Panda, Ayayayayay, and White Claw as most likely scum.

They can lie about being doused yeah, but lying about being saved is something else. The doctor could easily just say they didn't protect minties and bam we found scum. Unless the doctor is another inactive and didn't protect anyone/protected a different person and isn't on to counter claim mintie. It's a really risky and situational plan so I don't think minties immediately claiming is a lie at all.

Also don't call me Dannyboi,please.

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And listing minties as possible scum for flaming protected but Trojan town for just being doused makes no sense.

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Claiming*

 

[glow]

Why would minties lie about being saved if someone could easily disprove that? it'd be such a risky lie. it'd be much easier to claim doused, that's why I wanted to talk more to Trojan

 

[ZetaFunction]

They can lie about being doused yeah, but lying about being saved is something else. The doctor could easily just say they didn't protect minties and bam we found scum. Unless the doctor is another inactive and didn't protect anyone/protected a different person and isn't on to counter claim mintie. It's a really risky and situational plan so I don't think minties immediately claiming is a lie at all.

Also don't call me Dannyboi,please.

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And listing minties as possible scum for flaming protected but Trojan town for just being doused makes no sense.

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Claiming*

I meant to put Trojan with Minties on the 50/50 scum/town; I was in a rush typing that since I'm also studying rn and I'm having issues with remembering some things

Why would minties lie about being saved if someone could easily disprove that? it'd be such a risky lie. it'd be much easier to claim doused, that's why I wanted to talk more to Trojan

True, I just find it odd how she quickly claimed doused and saved. I guess her wording in her original post claiming it gave me a gut feeling.

 

[Damniel]

Why would minties lie about being saved if someone could easily disprove that? it'd be such a risky lie. it'd be much easier to claim doused, that's why I wanted to talk more to Trojan

I don't think Trojan is smart and clever enough to want to go the go douse the inactives and claim douse plan and pull it off well so I'm towards him telling the thruth.

 

[glow]

I just think it's interesting that basically anyone that disagrees with Trundle is scum

I'm scum for making an accusation against Daniel
Tom is scum for pushing him
Minties is scum for also pushing him

Except Minties couldn't possibly be scum, unless she is risking everything on the slim chance that the doctor is inactive or didn't save someone else. Which I guess is possible but it's such a far stretch, it's just not nearly enough to go on

 

[EpicGamer12]

Why would minties lie about being saved if someone could easily disprove that? it'd be such a risky lie. it'd be much easier to claim doused, that's why I wanted to talk more to Trojan

Well, in order to disprove it, a doctor needs to out themselves. There's also a good chance the doctor is too shy or afraid of dying to step up, etc. I've claimed protection N1 as mafia in older games before. It generally worked a bit better when the games were bigger.

 

[glow]

Lucanosa, what do you think of Trundle?

 

[EpicGamer12]

I just think it's interesting that basically anyone that disagrees with Trundle is scum

I'm scum for making an accusation against Daniel
Tom is scum for pushing him
Minties is scum for also pushing him

Except Minties couldn't possibly be scum, unless she is risking everything on the slim chance that the doctor is inactive or didn't save someone else. Which I guess is possible but it's such a far stretch, it's just not nearly enough to go on

Me being suspicious of someone is not equal to them being scum. I aggressively push people because people tend to slip up and reveal information that proves them mafia more than a very mild passive aggressive suspicion would. We have pretty much nothing to go off of this game so far so I'm making the best of what I have.

 

[glow]

Well, in order to disprove it, a doctor needs to out themselves. There's also a good chance the doctor is too shy or afraid of dying to step up, etc. I've claimed protection N1 as mafia in older games before. It generally worked a bit better when the games were bigger.

Wait, do people get notified that they were saved if they're not doused?

 

[ZetaFunction]

I'm reading through the stuff again so I can see his activity clearly; I'll be posting in a few

//incoming massive post

 

[glow]

Wow Tom I really hope you change your vote.

I get you're not afraid of being lynched but it's not helping town if you do that. You're wasting your vote instead of voting for someone else, we seriously don't need another mislynch

 

[oath2order]

Well, in order to disprove it, a doctor needs to out themselves. There's also a good chance the doctor is too shy or afraid of dying to step up, etc. I've claimed protection N1 as mafia in older games before. It generally worked a bit better when the games were bigger.

Why are you trying to get the doctor to out themselves so damn early?

 

[PandaDarling]

Me being suspicious of someone is not equal to them being scum. I aggressively push people because people tend to slip up and reveal information that proves them mafia more than a very mild passive aggressive suspicion would. We have pretty much nothing to go off of this game so far so I'm making the best of what I have.

i don't think we have pretty much nothing.... i think theres quite a bit to go off of now, other than the one or two stragglers that refuse to join in.