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Someone that I feel like we're not focusing on enough is Dolby

Dolby why didn't you vote D1?
Why have you only made 1 relevant post:

Seriously Panda, town or mafia, whatever you are, don't you realize how bad Ayaya's "case" is?
1. Look at the posts in the thread, there wasn't any obvious scum like last game where the scum team slipped up and let Daniel post his Haydenn scum read. And a day one scum lynch is normally chance
2. Nobody brought anybody up else for lynching, except somebody bringing up Daniel
3. He tries to lynch Starry every game. That's not a scum tell

The second half of Ayaya's case is so far-fetched that the only pic that could some it up is Ness's tinfoil hat picture from last game. Relies entirely on the chance that a theoritical scum team with Daniel on it has all the rest of the team being part of the three inactives. And also Haydenn getting replaced quickly, making a Tom/Daniel scum team. SERIOUSLY, HOW IS ANY OF THIS EVIDENCE?

AND PANDA! HOW THE **** DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD CASE
Actually, it kind of makes sense given the lack of logic your accusations against Daniel have. You're either poor town or poor scum, but I doubt that poor town would jump so hard on to Ayaya's "case"

I do agree with Tom's read that Daniel is bad town. And oath is 90% town because I can read him like a book.

Minties is 99% town, oath is 90% town(I can read him like a book, he's town), Tom seems town, and Daniel's towards the middle, Trundle I'm leaning towards scum, and leaning way harder with Ayaya and Panda

Anyway, I surrender to the tinfoil hatter's. Quick! Ayaya, tell us what to do!

If he didn't really trust Daniel much then why wouldn't he vote for him?
 
I've posted 3-4 relevant posts into the game so far and it's only Day 2. I literally contributed as much as possible during Day 1 putting out my opinion based on player's behavior. Lynching me for "trying to hide in the shadows" seems incredibly ******** to me. Tom is pushing me like he used to when he was scum and wanted me out before I caught on to him. I can't really remember how Minties plays, but I would say that Tom and Minties are scum trying to control the game from a "all hail the experienced player" POV. I made one joke post that was hardly even a joke right when the game started, all the ones before that were completely pre game. Tom even ADMITTED he didn't know which of my posts were pre or post game start. What does that show? He didn't do the research. He's either scum and trying to get me out early or he is a poor town player. From the amount of effort he has put into his posts onto me, obviously pushing with a cause, we can likely cross out the latter. I know my early game Tom picks. I'll try to post more after I sleep and get to university tomorrow.

...But Minties is 50/50 scum/town because of her douse and save claim? And Tom was pushing you because of your sus behavior though... okay...

(part 1)
I'm not sure quite what you expected from me in Day 1. You guys are playing as if the amount I post plus or minus 5 determines whether or not I'm scum. What did you want me to do? I didn't find scum and guess who didn't either? YOU. What the heck did you do other than accuse me? What did I do other than accuse m30w_ as an attempt to get the game to steer from lynching an inactive.



I find it funny that you hop on me being "fishy" even though you haven't even commented on anything I've said yet. What makes me fishy? You saw me as scum last game I played and you know how I play.



RUSSIAN RED MAFIA YOU SCUMMY PIECE OF TRASH (AND COUNTLESS OTHERS)
And yes, I did forget that because I HAVE SO MUCH SCHOOL WORK TO DO but I'm actually trying my best. I haven't avoided pointing suspicions at anyone. That's how you know I'm not scum. My scum play is terrible and it just avoids pointing fingers for as long as possible because I know when I die those people are cleared as town. I'm aggressive and accusatory as town, and you know that. You're just pushing me like this because a) you lied about being doused (btw if there is a doctor that can confirm they DIDN'T protect Minties, that's a confirmed scum kill) or b) you're just salty Monroe. I'm not being quiet.

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Lists like that are exactly what mafia players do to try to prove they are helping town. You suck at mafia and I'm going to get you lynched.

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Yes, sorry I don't post crap once every 5 minutes but actually take the effort to put together a drawn out post

Massive post... time for some dissection.
Part one, you basically say no one is scumhunting and use that as an excuse for not helping. You didn't seem to help anyone with reads or give opinions, you just defend yourself and randomly accuse people for them accusing you. (if that makes sense)
Part two sounds like you're going to revenge lynch. Who does a revenge lynch? Shtty town, or shtty mafia. So whatever you are, you're shtty at it.
Part three is either an excuse for not posting, or unrelated and shtposting.

responses to your ******** post in bold

'your ******** post' lmao
There's not much to go by here, other than you're attacking meow now.

Sorry, Monroe's salt is rubbing off on me

Shtpost

I'm not sure what you mean hang up to be perfectly honest. But if you want my thoughts on Monroe here they are:
- Very salty towards me and pushing me super hard, very common of her in games where she is scum and wants me dead before I properly call her out.
- Claimed that she was protected from being doused by "someone who knows I die a lot night 1". The only people that would know that are me, Tom, and oath2order, and I'm not the doctor. I believe it to be a fake claim at the moment, although we will see in time.
- Very blindly supportive of Tom even though she usually hates Tom's mafia posts.

Trundle basically called out a valuable blue role.... not gonna go any further

I believe he is scum. I already made 4 billion posts on why I believe him to be scum. If I think he is scum, then I vote for him. That is how MAFIA is SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED. If everyone brought up their own points and stopped bandwagoning, we would find scum a lot faster in games.

This post is hard to get anything out of. And 4 bil posts? Barely even 4 posts before this.

1) I suspect Tom because of his behaviour. It is the only thing I can go off of right now because only Starry has been lynched so far and no one else has died. As I've said before, I've played so many games with Tom. Most older players try super hard to get me out early when they are mafia because they know I'm going to call them out and stop their team from winning, which is exactly what they are trying to do right now. His basis for thinking I'm scum is a) only posting 4 times during Day 1 (which is actually quite common for me to lay back Day 1 as I know it's not worth putting that much effort into, I can cite countless games I do this as townie if you want), b) Not somehow magically lynching scum right away. Both of these points are literally nothing and he is instantly ASSUMING I am scum for little to no reason. It would be perfectly reasonable for him to be suspicious of me, but outright believing me to be scum and pushing me is completely baseless and scummy. That's why I think he is scum.

2) I don't know if you're scum or just a dumb town, but I made a post on you day 1 because I thought your posts were scummy and I didn't want to follow a bandwagon on an inactive. This created more option for town to vote even though I didn't execute my post very well at all and people brushed it aside.

3) I did make a case for someone else to be lynched. It was not a joke accusation. You passing it off as a joke accusation is, again, pretty suspicious. Anything anyone says in these games can be used for or against them.

Not much to make off this post, other than Trundle pushing Tom. And you haven't really stated why Tom is scum. I mean, yes Tom accusing you with little info is sus, but since that was D1 (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) that was a sht-accusation. Literally everything D1 is shtty.

(part 1)
Never said I'm the strongest town player, I just said you and Tom both enjoy targeting my early. I honestly don't know about you Minties, I think you're coming off as scum, although you just made a post that I mostly agree with. Although I still think it's very possible you're scum, especially with how you and Tom are interacting.

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Also, if you have any questions for me, ask away. I don't feel like I should have any reason to defend myself as there has been nothing of substance put on me so far yet. I just want more people to actually post, holy crap.

Part 1, convincing everyone you're town and Tom is sus.
Part 2 seems like townie behavior. With the previous posts I'm undecided; you could be faking it though.

Well, in order to disprove it, a doctor needs to out themselves. There's also a good chance the doctor is too shy or afraid of dying to step up, etc. I've claimed protection N1 as mafia in older games before. It generally worked a bit better when the games were bigger.

Hard for me to extract info from this post

Me being suspicious of someone is not equal to them being scum. I aggressively push people because people tend to slip up and reveal information that proves them mafia more than a very mild passive aggressive suspicion would. We have pretty much nothing to go off of this game so far so I'm making the best of what I have.

Um... when someone's considered sus by a vet player, and the vet seems semi-trustable that game, they're often lynched and usually turn out scum. So, in a way, the first sentence is sorta false. Second sentence.... he's scumhunting. Third sentence makes me believe the scum-hunting tactic is fake. What about Tom/Danny and Panda/Ayayayayay; or are you just ignoring the tennis match between them? Right there is a ton of info to go by. I can see definite sides forming: Pandy/Ayayayay/Trundle and Tom/Danny/Minties. In my honest opinion, lynching Trundle will show who's 'team' seems to be the least trustworthy; and even if he is town and lynched, he hasn't helped town much other than defending himself, and trying to prove Tom is scum.

Sorry for the long wait, that was a lot to read and review. I'm gonna be studying now, so I'll review and respond later tonight/tomorrow.
 
I'm going to do my reads whenever I get on my computer, but I think we should lynch Dolby tonight.
Reasons being:
1. Posted very little, only sht posting until N1 or was just silent
2. Was there before/after the starry lynch but said nothing on the subject until people questioned his unusual silence.
3. His only worth reading post
Seriously Panda, town or mafia, whatever you are, don't you realize how bad Ayaya's "case" is?
1. Look at the posts in the thread, there wasn't any obvious scum like last game where the scum team slipped up and let Daniel post his Haydenn scum read. And a day one scum lynch is normally chance
2. Nobody brought anybody up else for lynching, except somebody bringing up Daniel
3. He tries to lynch Starry every game. That's not a scum tell

The second half of Ayaya's case is so far-fetched that the only pic that could some it up is Ness's tinfoil hat picture from last game. Relies entirely on the chance that a theoritical scum team with Daniel on it has all the rest of the team being part of the three inactives. And also Haydenn getting replaced quickly, making a Tom/Daniel scum team. SERIOUSLY, HOW IS ANY OF THIS EVIDENCE?

AND PANDA! HOW THE **** DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD CASE
Actually, it kind of makes sense given the lack of logic your accusations against Daniel have. You're either poor town or poor scum, but I doubt that poor town would jump so hard on to Ayaya's "case"

I do agree with Tom's read that Daniel is bad town. And oath is 90% town because I can read him like a book.

Minties is 99% town, oath is 90% town(I can read him like a book, he's town), Tom seems town, and Daniel's towards the middle, Trundle I'm leaning towards scum, and leaning way harder with Ayaya and Panda

Anyway, I surrender to the tinfoil hatter's. Quick! Ayaya, tell us what to do!

All of this stuff was already said, none of this adds anything and is more just to wasting the suspions on him for silence.
This is his only serious post and it was made at a weird time and does nothing.
4. Like I said before, he was most likely blue snipping for kill candidates and compared Trojans Blue meta to his town meta, like he did in reindeer Mafia, and thought Trojan may be a blue role and went for him.
5. Went back to silent and hasn't said a word since.

I have other people suspicious on my mind, which I will get to with my reads, but Dolby is the only one who's behavior isn't town or excuable at all. I think he's the best candidate for today.

Also I think the doctor is a veteran for protecting minties correctly out of meta since there was no reason to protect her otherwise, and the Mafia who tried to douse her is probably a veteran too since she didn't put suspions on anyone at that time expect trundle. Just keep this in mind, but I'm voting Dolby as of now.

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Satisfy the suspions*

Also minties could out also been targeted for fear of her catching on to the veteran scum.

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Also the only ones who haven't posted after N1 to counterclaim Trojans douse is hello and Reyy so if you guys can confirm you weren't doused/weigh in on the game that would be great.

White claw is just more of an ass for not saying anything because we're telling you to post SOMETHING so I'll just wait for you to be replaced :).
 
Okay I'm so sorry for being this inactive but due to a general lack of interest to TBT and being really sick I haven't had any motivation to go online at all, I'll try to have some reads up later.
 
Hey panda I've noticed you've been viewing for a while and you usually respond to reads quickly, what up with that
 
Daniel: we all know my thoughts and opinion of Daniels game play thus far.

Tom: I am hesitant to trust because of the way he came in and started to try to get the heat off of Daniel, i understand he wants to look in other directions but he can easily do that without worrying too much about whats happening to or with Daniel, but at the same time his a better player than just trying to help a helpless cause so im not really sure why his trying to deflect the negative attention off Daniel...and then the "im not opposed to getting lynched to prove myself" and the self vote is just a bit too random and unnecessary for me, A. no ones even pushing him that hard and B. the time he post it is very odd; no one was even in the thread talking about anything he just decided to throw that out there ? i think its purpose is to be distracting. The self vote i think is some kind of "call my bluff" sort of tactic, its kinda like someone pointing a gun to their own head and telling you to tell them to pull the trigger no one wants to be responsible for that so no one will vote for him and help him with his weird self inflected lynch.

Mother of all Llamas: Seems to just come in and post fluff about obvious things with not much of any substance behind it or asking questions she should already know the answers too. would love to hear more from them honestly.

Oath: Just farts in the distances, ha but don't let that fool you he is a good player when he chooses to be, im not really sure what to make of him at the moment he seems to be on the same page as town but doesn't contribute enough for me to trust him really.

Ayaya:We seem to have a few opinions that are the same about what happened in D1 with Daniel and then the replacements coming in and trying to clean up his mess.

Kit: I'm not sure what to make of Kit yet.... comes in seems to know whats going on but doesn't stick around to be much help.

Trojan: Won't say much for some reason maybe because last time he was mafia he went spilling the beans and it trying to keep his act together this time im not sure... give us some reads please Trojan so we know where you stand.

Dolby: Doesn't post much just lurking and then throws a couple post in which mostly just seem like fueling the fire to whatever going on at that moment.

Minties: Has claimed to be doused and then saved which has not been proven false by anyone else's claim so far so im inclined to believe it for now.

Trundle: Seems to have this emotional feud going on with M3ow and everyone else that says something slightly questioning towards him but i don't really know why, i understand the game can get intense and emotional but it just seems exaggerated.

M3ow: Like her post they are full of information and her own general opinion and she seems intent to find scum.

Luca: Just seems to contribute lately and pretty much just broke down a post from everyone to seem helpful and then bounce.

White Claw: Hello ?

Reyy: You there ?

Jellofish: Where are you ?

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Hey panda I've noticed you've been viewing for a while and you usually respond to reads quickly, what up with that

That's whats up !
 
Wow panda you did reads this is a step up,I'm proud.

Is that list in order from most to least scummy? If it's not can you do it in an order for who you want lynched?

Any thoughts on my case on Dolby?
 
The things in bold make you seem scummier considering Tom's and Dannyboi's posts. Why would you wait to post your reads until people are online? If you were scum, you'd probably be having scum review them and perfecting them. Also, Panda agrees with you, and you continue to push the Dannyboi/Tom scum team.

1. I'm waiting until Day to post it, actually, I don't want to risk being targeted by arsonists
2. If you see my previous post before this one, I admitted that I was biased on my views on them and is considering other players instead. I know pushing Daniel & Tom makes me suspicious but I thought posting my reads would at least get other players to post theirs and I was trying to learn how to scumhunt, and I can't do that if I bandwagon or stay silent.

Also is there a way you can see all the posts one user makes in a thread? That would make rounding up posts a lot easier :(
 
1. I'm waiting until Day to post it, actually, I don't want to risk being targeted by arsonists
2. If you see my previous post before this one, I admitted that I was biased on my views on them and is considering other players instead. I know pushing Daniel & Tom makes me suspicious but I thought posting my reads would at least get other players to post theirs and I was trying to learn how to scumhunt, and I can't do that if I bandwagon or stay silent.

Also is there a way you can see all the posts one user makes in a thread? That would make rounding up posts a lot easier :(
It's been day since 23 hours ago...

Yeah click on the post number in the thread when you view the cellar, and click on the persons post number and you'll see them from most recently to oldest.

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http://www.belltreeforums.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=344974
 
Wow panda you did reads this is a step up,I'm proud.

Is that list in order from most to least scummy? If it's not can you do it in an order for who you want lynched?

Any thoughts on my case on Dolby?

hahahaha... i know im trying to better my game, sorry its not much. no i didn't put it in any kind of order i know i probably should have and add colors and quotes and all that, but i wanted to get it up... ill try to do that for you guys in the near future...

as to what i think about your Dolby case... it scares me to follow you after what happened in D1 but at the same time i can see lynching Dolby as maybe a helpful thing they aren't acting very town but mostly just inactive which as we proved before doesn't automatically make you scum either.... more or less im interested to see if you are going to led another mislynch.

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was that a link you tried to post? it failed ! ha
 
do what now i don't understand and i wanna know how to do that please.
Click that link in the quote

Or when you're viewing all the threads in the cellar. go to a specific thread, click on the replies number in brownish. Then it will show you all the users that posted, then you go to the right click on the persons post number in brown and there you go.

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hahahaha... i know im trying to better my game, sorry its not much. no i didn't put it in any kind of order i know i probably should have and add colors and quotes and all that, but i wanted to get it up... ill try to do that for you guys in the near future...

as to what i think about your Dolby case... it scares me to follow you after what happened in D1 but at the same time i can see lynching Dolby as maybe a helpful thing they aren't acting very town but mostly just inactive which as we proved before doesn't automatically make you scum either.... more or less im interested to see if you are going to led another mislynch.

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was that a link you tried to post? it failed ! ha

You don't need to trust me, but you should at least look at the case and judge whether or not you think it has a good case.
 
so you think Dolby is the most sus person or you just think it would be another target to get rid of and see what happens ?
 
so you think Dolby is the most sus person or you just think it would be another target to get rid of and see what happens ?

Most suspicious in my eyes, I think he's most likely scum.

His behavior is really questionable.
 
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