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[Geoni]

Oh I thought we were waiting for the day 1 post lemme read up.

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So basically what I'm saying is that we all propose to vote someone in the main thread, and everybody votes the person with the most votes to prevent scum vote antics (I consider this voting method net beneficial for scum, especially since it's LYLO tomorrow if we mislynch today). With it being LYLO, scum actually do have a motivation to lie (in much the same way that in an small setup at lylo scum have the motivation to claim a PR, no future consequences, only present ones), so at best splitting the vote with public (or easily predicted) votes will prob lead to a 50/50 WIFOM scenario if scum lie. That's not something that I want to do, would rather have the town unity when the majority of us need to vote scum if scum are unified and can pull of the ML

idk how we'll resolve ties. Preference voting I guess

Alright yeah I agree with this. Votes being in the dark is only going to help scum and it's not like Antonio said we're not allowed to announce who we'll be voting in thread. Of course, if we all agree on it and the lynch doesn't add up then somebody just plain lied about it and host doesn't have to (and probably won't) list a votecount, but it's useful for us to do it instead if we all agree on it.

Not only that but vote analysis is important.

 

[dedenne]

sorry i forgot this game existed but wow this is why i was reluctant to join

dolbys just being normal town dolby
punchys being punchy
and toads is being toads

my opinion on whatever the heck happened? well, i have no idea. i think dolby was kind of grasping at straws to quickly and was trying to find someone to lynch as they were the only one online (and probably with a bunch of spare time lmao)

 

[Geoni]

Alright kind of annoyed because this was supposed to start on Monday and I will be -absolutely- gone for around 30 hours (some of tonight and all of Sunday) because I'm going to be in the hospital with my father again before the workweek starts. I kinda want to replace out but I'll soldier though I guess.

Antonio what did you mean by this?

There is 2 mafia and 5 town members with one of those town members who will flip during a certain day. Not even mafia knows who the flipper is.

Does this mean somebody dies randomly on one of the days or changes teams? Because either of those two scenarios is straight up scumsided.

I don't like this. I'm holding Dad to a higher standard than everyone else, but frankly I expected, well, something. Maybe a comment either agreeing or disagreeing with my call for town unity in the lynch due to secret ballots and a ML today causing LYLO tomorrow. Maybe a comment on Toads filler, but after the last game (idk if it even was last game) where he went all in on analyzing the best PRs and if I was weighting the vote, I would expect some sort of comment, particularly on my game strategy of public votes

This is what it appears to be, a ****post, and I'm disappointed

Slight townlean on Vanessa for playerlist, and her most recent ****post felt like relaxed tone but I'm not sure that I'd put much stock in that



Do people die when they flip? How is this different from the normal mafia have to equal town win condition?

Also, we aren't doing no lynch

Yeah that was a ****post but I thought it was pre-day1.

Are you saying there's already filler from Toads here or that you're expecting me to townread Toads here because there's a lack of it? I haven't seen him try to try in this game which iirc was what he knows is expected of him eventually so I'm willing to chalk it up to being NAI tbh, at least upfront. I'm trying not to lead behaviors here though and you shouldn't either.

If you're not putting much stock in Vanessa's relaxed tone then don't townread her for it. Genuinely got a similar read but I don't consider it townlike from her.

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SCREAMS

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I think that we have to lynch perfectly (perfect can include a flipper lynch) or we lose. Treating this like LYLO already

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Oh wait scum can kill flipper

Still treating this like endless LYLO

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If Dad's flipper that ****post would be the perfect play from his perspective

Yeah if I'm reading this correctly, unless the mislynch -is- the person who flips if that's a sideswitch deal then this is lylo basically. Hey Dolby you wanna 1v1 me for another game after I bring up the idea of no lynching? Actually a viable option here tbh because if this is just going to be treated as LYLO because of the chances then we might as well make it a 120 hour LYLO day with the loss of one of us from a fearkill probably. Also because I straight up can't be around for 30 hours and already lost half of this day from daystart confusion.

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hi I've been afk since 4pm sorry

I have had quick glances at the thread but nothing much.

My concern with town unity because you're going to probably lead it and I don't 100% trust you. The fact that you've been enquiring about the flipper makes me cautious about doing the town unity plan.

Sorry for my inactivity.

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I also think you're taking this too seriously but you also did that in that sheriff game thing and you were town

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But you're also talking about Dad too much, maybe getting rid of your biggest threat fmpov

...lol might just vote Punchy. What Dolby was trying to explain was that you can't know who voted what if people aren't being transparent about the votes and given how scumsided this already is with the flipper thing and I don't think he went into this thinking he'd outlead me or anything because he knows I can be just as active as he can be. Think back on that ****show game where we were able to decide what PRs town had. He wouldn't go in with that intention as scum because of how he knows I'll check him on his opinions/open strategies if we're in the same game.

What Sheriff game are you talking about btw?

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Also, upon reflection, I don't like Toads filler. Hiding behind non-analysis I would consider to be part of his scum meta

Punchy also was viewing the thread multiple times without saying anything

Why am I the only one

Before Dad complains about me complaining this time there is actually literally no posts of any solving value besides my own

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Note that Toads is reading the thread rn and apparently does not care about what I've said about him

Can you explain this a little further about this being Toads' scum meta? Last time I recall being in a game where Toads was scum was that Russian roulette one and it wasn't exactly that.

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The purpose of town unity is to effectively turn this into a normal voting game because this is scumsided as ****

For example, I could say intent to vote Toads, and everyone else could say that they?re voting Bianca, and I would vote Bianca because if she?s maf and I don?t vote her scum can get the lynch off of her by voting anyone else and if she?s town she?s dead anyway.

If we split the vote, I 100% guarantee we?re dead because scum will joint lynch the scummiest townie and town isn?t going to organically vote on all the same person

So come up with a better plan or prove that doing nothing at all is better and I?ll consider that, but this is the only path to victory because flipper is going to scumside

Okay yeah that was your mindset, wasn't wrong. And yes this is hella scumsided. I agree that this won't work out organically and I can see scum just voting the same person or afking and it -still- would end up in a game losing mislynch somehow just because I think on tbt who votes what really leads people and sheeping is something lazy town does. I don't want to say newbie town because I think all of the playerlist has had a few games.

If there's 7 of us and we no lynch then it will be

4 vs 2 on day 2. 4/4 town may be non-flipping but if the person that was killed wasn't the flipper then it's 3/4 town that's non-flipping vs 2 which is suboptimal because if we get scum it will be 4 v 1 on night 2 but by day 3, if that's when the flip happens, it will be 1 killed and if the 1 killed wasn't the flipper then they autowin with 3 town by the end of night with one of those town flipping to mafia, making it 2 v 2. If they kill the flipper then it's 3 v 1. This is assuming that the flip happens on day 3 or later. If it happens on day 2 then I might as well have replaced out if I'm not the one blessed with being the flipper lmfao.

Check me on this thought Dolby, if no lynching is damaging or not damaging in these scenarios. It only buys time anyways but I'm not entirely sold to myself because of some people already looking kinda funky imo. (Punchy and Bianca from what I've read so far is my team guess).

 

[Geoni]

So? Regardless of her alignment that turns the game into a more normal and less scumsided version of mafia. People can actually be held accountable of their intent to votes because they are proxies for the actual lynch

Also, that problem is not unique to this game, we have the same risk of this happening in a normal game as it does here

This is not about creating a perfect system, it?s about mitigating the most scumsided features of the setup

Yeah I echo that the reason for open voting is for accountability even though I agree with Punchy's question here that scum can just lie about it. And voting on the same person rather than splitting (which from previous small games like this legitimately happens and is a concern) is the way the scumsided feature of hidden votes can be mitigated. This reminds me of how you were as town in that game where we voted the PRs so I'm willing to leave you out of the PoE for my own sanity.

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So are you down with town unity or not?

Because frankly, we need everyone unified

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That actually reads pretty well for tone. If Punchy is scum I don't think that he's considered the balance of the setup

Would he have considered the balance of the setup as scum?

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Anyways, I actually really don't like Toads two filler posts right now. Hiding behind filler is within his scum meta as I've said earlier, but he has had a distinct level of non-contribution combined with presence and a very evident lack of caring that frankly he's the only person that I could consider to be a real scumspect at this point.

Toads darned good contributions thus far this game

Typo corrected in here btw


In comparison, last game as town, admitidly a noob game, Toads went forward and was probably the second most active participant and tried to keep the game in line when, similar to this game, it was obviously suffering from a lack of activity, including putting forward and RQS, and doing actual analysis


Notable given his lack of concern thus far for activity in this game



Spoiler contains RQS but it's notable that Toads 1. started an RQS and 2. Is already starting analysis on players


Going after Antonio for not analyzing, still on D1. He's already working to solve, wheras this game we have nothing



So ****ing ironic considering what he's done so far

Contrast that to his scum behavior in the Russian Roulette, where Toads tried to coast on a spite shot while keeping his options open



Masquarading as contributing



Saying that Toads behavior that game was no solving would be disingenious. Though notably there was little in lieu of town reads besides an early attempted pocket on Dad when he felt the winds shift towards a me/Dad fight. However, Toads reads were initially weak and left as much wiggle room as possible to change, literally saying in his first reads post "However all of these could change, probably will.". That's besides the point however, the point is that early game scum Toads tries to pretend to be contributing, probably because he's uncomfortable creating organic content that he doesn't know how it will be perceived. This stands in contrast to town Toads, who tries to create reads as early as possible, so I'm going to say now that Intent to vote Toads is go in the bid for town unity

Admitidly looking back at my case on him in Resistance I might pretty much the same argument as I do here, but frankly I consider it far more telling that Toads is actively avoiding contribution right now and not encouraging others to contribute

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Before Antonio quotes this and says I have to PM it in, I'm only gonna PM a vote in once a good consensus among us is reached

Alright so the last four quotes are the Russian game and the ones before it (after the first two) are from the last game where the both of us were town (pokemon I think). My issue with this breakdown of the meta is that he's posting below that he's kinda gone this weekend and that's why he's not prodding for activity but meta walling him seems to have really produced some activity below this so I'm gonna read that and see how it lines up with what you looked at so far. And what you've looked at so far here is that he's just plain old not active enough for you and that doesn't match his town-meta, more or less. So I'll be interested in seeing if the intent changed after I read the exchanges. This kinda reminds me of when I had to shoot town you as town in that one game lmao.

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well this is gonna turn out just like the last time because I think it's a pretty dumb move to scum vote lock me when I'm like the third person talking. You aren't even going to contemplate other people... I mean I essentially have to believe your scum not out of you suck your scum, but because that's such a dumb play and it looks scummy on you.

It's a dead game, no convo, Dolby says let's unify, then just picks the first and easy target to try to bandwagon votes onto. Like that looks scummy

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And also look at the other games I've played in, I'm just as satirical and couldn't give a care less as right now. And it's because of dumb **** like this.

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You're scum tunneling me off of literal nothing, you even resorted to scum reading me because I looked at the thread and didn't reply.... like that's some amateur stuff right there you need to chill homie, this game is gonna be a wash because no one is doing anything

So first big response is an almost OMGUS by Toads but he's not OMGUSing right away and saying this game is going to go downhill because of it and I've dealt with similar frustrations with Dolby so I'm seeing this as good tone tbh.

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You did this same thing in a more recent game, you jumped on me and I exploded. Wasn't that the game before I as scum voted you off right away? I forget which game, and honestly I don't care enough to look it up, but I know ow as town recently and your did me into the ground for absolute nonsense like this

I know you're annoyed but what game was this? The mission one that you and Dolby got mad at each other over after it happened?

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Dolby you pulled all of that from two posts

While yes, the activity (or lack thereof) is suprising, I don't think toads should be lynched for it.

I'm not voting anyone until Toads gives his reaction. @Bianca, Vanessa, Dedenne, What do you think of Dolby and myself.

I think Dolby is scummy for going after Toads for very very little evidence, suddenly dropping Dad after I posted his defense of him and him not saying anything about it.

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oh I didn't read that

Why are you @ing these people to ask them what they think and not me?

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this honestly seems like AtE from Toads

Dolby/Toads can't be teamed, Dolby wouldn't do that as scum

Toads you are not the easiest person to bandwagon on to, literally at least three people come before you.

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They didn't post, I asked them to post

Mind expanding on this post? A lot of leady points about it. For one how is Toads appealing to the rest of town here? I think the emotion seems more pointed towards Dolby than anyone else.

I don't mind that you're concluding those two aren't teamed and agree with it.

But lastly what do you mean by three come before Toads here? You mean like 'people who are easier to get lynched' or something?

 

[Geoni]

You personally attacked me, insulted my thinking, and called me ****. It was overly emotional, and frankly, I'd rather not play with you in the future regardless of your alignment this game. Saying that I had solid intent to vote on you was just stating that you had actually done something that truly differentiated you from every other inactive in the game, rather than your inactivity being the least excusable/expected from all the inactives. Anyway, yeah, it was Resistance. I jumped on you because frankly I had more faith in Ness that he wouldn't rage quit as scum. But don't criticize my townplay unless you're gonna do some actual analysis, because even if I get the whole scumteam wrong, if everybody keeps playing the way that they're playing now, I'll have played objectively better than all of them because at least I made reads, while they didn't. My original sus was Dad anyway, and that's pretty clear looking back in the thread

Besides, I jumped on you that game first because you tried to play both sides it seemed at the time, then you OMGUSED me based on my suspicion



Then quit, you've already proven that you're incapable of playing in a civil and constructive manner. Or actually make reads so that I'm not left alone here.



Analyze other players, analyze me outside the context of my sus on you, then we can talk

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Toads has been somebody on my mind for a bit, starting here



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At that point it stemmed from my theory that scum were intentionally vegging and I could only pinpoint Dad being online at one point thus far

Just as a side note if you tell people to quit like this rather than understanding their frustrations then they're actually going to quit and we're still going to have these issues of people not signing up. I'm beginning to see that the reason behind the low playerbase isn't as much burnout as it has been drama and it's kinda sad to see. Or maybe it's just both.

Do you have no thoughts on Punchy and Bianca? I'm getting to reading Bianca shortly after I catch up but I wanna know what you think there too. I see Dedenne has entered below too.

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2. One of dad and Vanessa has to be scum. Dad's post are actual filler and no analysis, and Vanessa's could be classified as appearing to be helpful when she is not when you see the questions she asked didn't really help anything

3. Punchy seems to be the voice of reason, and he could've easily went with Dolby just now rather than defend me. It would be the easier route as scum, but punchy has proven not to follow these types of logic trains in the past so....

4.bianca is a wild card and I want her to post more. I can read her pretty well, so I'm not worried about that

Not going to prod you much further into your thoughts on Dolby here because that's not going to be productive here but again I didn't realize we'd already begun playing when I made the Hawaiin sweet rolls ****post asdfjkl - I'm not filler if you read my contribution as starting in these last few posts but I have the same concern about Vanessa and need her to air her suspects or I'm in the same conclusion that what she's doing is coasting on acting helpful towny questions.

On the note of Punchy I honestly just think you need to read into how he's pushy at Dolby imo, don't like it.

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sorry i forgot this game existed but wow this is why i was reluctant to join

dolbys just being normal town dolby
punchys being punchy
and toads is being toads

my opinion on whatever the heck happened? well, i have no idea. i think dolby was kind of grasping at straws to quickly and was trying to find someone to lynch as they were the only one online (and probably with a bunch of spare time lmao)

>'Punchy's being punchy'
>Pushes Dolby in the same way Punchy tried to push Dolby as being scummy for 'grasping at straws'.

Convince me that you and Punchy aren't the mafia team tbh.

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Okay my tier is basically

Dolby
Toads
Vanessa
Bianca
Dedenne
Punchy

from least to most sus atm. I intend to vote Punchy as it stands. I might be convinced to vote any of the bottom four but I'm solidly staying away from both Dolby and Toads atm.

On the note of Bianca either she's a) in the same camp as me and didn't realize the game had started or b) is coasting and sliding by which in this scumsided setup could work if she can get away with town pissing other town off which is very much what is happening here, that's my only concern with her but at the same time I'm probably giving here too much credit with that much awareness of the threadstate.

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Actually I'm going to say

Dolby
Toads
Bianca
Vanessa
Dedenne
Punchy

I don't think Bianca would do this as scum and gonna conclude she wouldn't take on that kinda strategy as mafia so I'm placing her above Vanessa.

 

[cornimer]

2. One of dad and Vanessa has to be scum. Dad's post are actual filler and no analysis, and Vanessa's could be classified as appearing to be helpful when she is not when you see the questions she asked didn't really help anything

The reason I asked Dolby if he was scumleaning Dad or just disappointed was because if he was scumreading Dad for making one filler post yet townleaning me for making one filler post, I thought that could indicate him trying to pocket me or something because that's pretty contradictory.

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Town unity is hypothetically a good plan but I also kinda read it as a way for Dolby (since he proposed it and has been adamant about it) to be like "ok we all have to vote together so I as scum am going to make a convincing case on someone (apparently toads) since everyone else is inactive and then they'll just bandwagon it and I'll win". Also, idk how we're all going to agree on who to vote for because when do we ever all agree....just look how long it took to get missions passed in Resistance.

The toads vs Dolby fight here is almost a replica of their fight in Resistance though which is the last game I played, and they were both town in that game. However I can't remember ever seeing Dolby get personally offended before like he is doing here and I'm not sure what to make of that. AtE or just at a cracking point? I'm not ready to make a conclusion yet but I've definitely got an eye on him. I want to wait to see if toads produces good analysis as the game goes on, because so far all he's had the chance to do is defend himself, but if he does produce good content I will likely be townleaning him which I am already tempted to do because his tone is spot on to resistance where he was just really fed up town.

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I don't think Dedenne or Bianca have enough content to read yet.

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this honestly seems like AtE from Toads

Dolby/Toads can't be teamed, Dolby wouldn't do that as scum

Toads you are not the easiest person to bandwagon on to, literally at least three people come before you.

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They didn't post, I asked them to post

Would like to note that in Resistance as scum Punchy pretended to be hellbent on a toads/Dolby team, even though they were fighting just like they are here and everyone else said it was illogical.

In this game, on the contrary, he immediately says they can't be teamed. While yes he could just be trying not to appear the same as last game, I'll take this post as a good sign for now. He's also been questioning everyone and not tunneling like I recall him doing as scum.

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Dad hasn't said anything alignment indicative imo but also I suck at reading him

 

[Geoni]

No thoughts on Dedenne's post #103 Vanessa?

Also I think I kinda townread Dolby for the emotional reaction towards Toads because he was saying that if we're in a hydra together and end up in a game with 'Champ' (who used to be the infamous Cory here) he would tunnel the **** out of him and if he's got some animosity towards Toads it kinda makes sense he'd react this way and I don't think it's scum indicative. I honestly think it's town v town and reminds me of how he acted towards me during the game where we could shoot each other. Gonna look up the name of that one because I've forgotten it.

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Oh right it was the Russian Roulette one lol

 

[cornimer]

sorry i forgot this game existed but wow this is why i was reluctant to join

dolbys just being normal town dolby
punchys being punchy
and toads is being toads

my opinion on whatever the heck happened? well, i have no idea. i think dolby was kind of grasping at straws to quickly and was trying to find someone to lynch as they were the only one online (and probably with a bunch of spare time lmao)

I think that making judgements off of one short post is slightly pointless and grasping at straws but if I was forced to judge at gunpoint I would say I don't like it because she's just summarizing and not really giving opinions other than "toads is being toads" etc. The one time I saw dedenne as scum (hunger games) she was extra coasty and avoided giving opinions, town her tends to have a more laid back attitude and will say what's on her mind. So that's why I want to wait and she more posts later.

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*and see if/when

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Also I think I kinda townread Dolby for the emotional reaction towards Toads because he was saying that if we're in a hydra together and end up in a game with 'Champ' (who used to be the infamous Cory here) he would tunnel the **** out of him and if he's got some animosity towards Toads it kinda makes sense he'd react this way and I don't think it's scum indicative. I honestly think it's town v town and reminds me of how he acted towards me during the game where we could shoot each other.

That's helpful information tbh, makes his emotional reaction @toads seem more natural. I wouldn't be surprised if this is town vs town though with only 7 people I can't rule it out as that yet

 

[toadsworthy]

@dad yeah I was mostly pointing out your first stuff to show how Dolby could've picked multiple people for the same arguemebt he had on me, but seemingly didn't. I mostly just commented on everything at the time so people knew i actually read the thread and not just pissed.

I do like dad's content more than Vanessa's. She is attaching herself to things other people are suing rather than generating her own opinions. Which is not helpful. Also dad is coukd enough to make these posts as either alignment so Im still torn between the two.

Dedenne's post is very minimal relatively, but compared to what I expect, I at least see the effort from dedenne, if she was a scared scum I would expect her to just be like idk rather than actually comment on specific people

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I lean towards Vanessa and Bianca scum team for right now

 

[Antonio]

@Dad, they change from Town to Mafia.

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Also, everyone be civil.

 

[toadsworthy]

Who hanged from town to mafia?

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Changes*

 

[PunchyTheCat]

holy f there are thirty wallposts

and Dad scumreads me wtf

 

[Antonio]

Who hanged from town to mafia?

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Changes*

what do you mean

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oh, no one knows who that is . that's the point

 

[PunchyTheCat]

@Dolby vegging for town not to unify is a terrible idea, even scum wouldn't do that. I'm personally wary of you leading the lynch

you and Toads can't be teamed because you're ****ing insulting each other

neither of you would do that as scum

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@ Dad

...lol might just vote Punchy. What Dolby was trying to explain was that you can't know who voted what if people aren't being transparent about the votes and given how scumsided this already is with the flipper thing and I don't think he went into this thinking he'd outlead me or anything because he knows I can be just as active as he can be. Think back on that ****show game where we were able to decide what PRs town had. He wouldn't go in with that intention as scum because of how he knows I'll check him on his opinions/open strategies if we're in the same game.

What Sheriff game are you talking about btw?

rephrase that at a 3rd grade reading level because I didn't absorb any of that.

https://www.belltreeforums.com/show...High-Reward-Mafia-Wild-West-Edition-Town-Wins this game

 

[Antonio]

also night ends at 7pm est tonight

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or anything next day, has it been 24hrs?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Town unity is hypothetically a good plan but I also kinda read it as a way for Dolby (since he proposed it and has been adamant about it) to be like "ok we all have to vote together so I as scum am going to make a convincing case on someone (apparently toads) since everyone else is inactive and then they'll just bandwagon it and I'll win". Also, idk how we're all going to agree on who to vote for because when do we ever all agree....just look how long it took to get missions passed in Resistance.

literally my argument but extended and elaborated @Vanessa

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Dolby and toads are literally personally attacking each other (chill guys)

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Also dad asking for information by @ing them and not you is because they hadn't posted yet and you have given some input and information

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I personally intend on voting Dolby, still.

 

[Geoni]

I think that making judgements off of one short post is slightly pointless and grasping at straws but if I was forced to judge at gunpoint I would say I don't like it because she's just summarizing and not really giving opinions other than "toads is being toads" etc. The one time I saw dedenne as scum (hunger games) she was extra coasty and avoided giving opinions, town her tends to have a more laid back attitude and will say what's on her mind. So that's why I want to wait and she more posts later.

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That's helpful information tbh, makes his emotional reaction @toads seem more natural. I wouldn't be surprised if this is town vs town though with only 7 people I can't rule it out as that yet

I'm sorry but you were gone during that period where some really young users played mafia and we had to judge things based on one post and you actually can ascertain something from them if you have to, sometimes it's all you have. I think there's enough in Dedenne's post to not like the content - it's all 'this is why I didn't want to join' which as its first post is like 'I'm frustrated with this so excuse me for not making effort because of it'. At least, that's my concern anyways. Tonally I don't think it looks bad but it just lines up with Punchy for me, who I still suspect the most and intend to vote for. Anyways, what's your judgement on the slot though, do you think out of all the players Dedenne is in the bottom two? Because that's where PoE is leading me.

Anyways Vanessa I'd feel better about your slot if you gave thoughts on all the players before EoD. Doesn't have to be anything massive.

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Dedenne's post is very minimal relatively, but compared to what I expect, I at least see the effort from dedenne, if she was a scared scum I would expect her to just be like idk rather than actually comment on specific people

I don't recall the Hunger Games mafia game and Vanessa brought it up so if that's the expectation I'm gonna see if it matches her approach there. You and Vanessa seem to have different takes on how Dedenne is as scum from what I can tell.

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@Dolby vegging for town not to unify is a terrible idea, even scum wouldn't do that. I'm personally wary of you leading the lynch

you and Toads can't be teamed because you're ****ing insulting each other

neither of you would do that as scum

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@ Dad

...lol might just vote Punchy. What Dolby was trying to explain was that you can't know who voted what if people aren't being transparent about the votes and given how scumsided this already is with the flipper thing and I don't think he went into this thinking he'd outlead me or anything because he knows I can be just as active as he can be. Think back on that ****show game where we were able to decide what PRs town had. He wouldn't go in with that intention as scum because of how he knows I'll check him on his opinions/open strategies if we're in the same game.

What Sheriff game are you talking about btw?

rephrase that at a 3rd grade reading level because I didn't absorb any of that.

https://www.belltreeforums.com/show...High-Reward-Mafia-Wild-West-Edition-Town-Wins this game

I'm blitzskimming this game and I'm not seeing how Dolby is super serious in it, I've seen him play much more intensely as town recently.

 

[cornimer]

I'm sorry but you were gone during that period where some really young users played mafia and we had to judge things based on one post and you actually can ascertain something from them if you have to, sometimes it's all you have. I think there's enough in Dedenne's post to not like the content - it's all 'this is why I didn't want to join' which as its first post is like 'I'm frustrated with this so excuse me for not making effort because of it'. At least, that's my concern anyways. Tonally I don't think it looks bad but it just lines up with Punchy for me, who I still suspect the most and intend to vote for. Anyways, what's your judgement on the slot though, do you think out of all the players Dedenne is in the bottom two? Because that's where PoE is leading me.

Anyways Vanessa I'd feel better about your slot if you gave thoughts on all the players before EoD. Doesn't have to be anything massive.

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I don't recall the Hunger Games mafia game and Vanessa brought it up so if that's the expectation I'm gonna see if it matches her approach there. You and Vanessa seem to have different takes on how Dedenne is as scum from what I can tell.

From how I understand Toads post I think we do have similar ideas of what scum dedenne is like. As town she makes effort and will point stuff out but as scum she is more likely to coast or say she doesnt know or just follow the majority. I guess the difference is from the one post she has made, I don't see much effort whereas toads does. So yeah I guess for now by PoE I would have to list her as a scumlean even though I don't really want to lynch her based on one post.
I gave thoughts about everyone in the first big post I made today. Not all if them were conclusive but I guess a summary is Punchy and Toads in that order are my top townleans for now.

 

[Geoni]

Toads what do you think about Vanessa looking back at previous games? Does she do that as scum?

 

[cornimer]

I always look back at previous games meta is the only way I know how to analyze