Mafia [GAME THREAD] New Horizons Mafia - A Classic 9er (ENDGAME)

i don?t like the tone of the beginning of the post and i also still find it weird that you would write like that in your reply to q3. but these are stylistic things that aren?t that major

i disagree in telling them to stop bickering since that?s what pretty much started the game off. it honestly didn?t seem that heated to me since toads said he wasn?t purposefully insulting him. maf is not a kind and optimistic game so wanting to stop the ?negativity? seems to be more like wanting to stop conversation to me

Does literally nobody realize how scummy this is? Daniel quite literally just cherry picked the most remote of posts by Antonio to spin it as suspicious. He makes this long, well-typed post that at first glance looks nice, but if you actually delve into the things Daniel is saying it is just so evidently crumby it makes me sick.

Look at the post Daniel is referring to which supposedly Antonio is suspicious for:

I pick Ness and Toad. Y'all bickering ain't helping so let's calm with the insults and figure out who's scum.

Yeah it's weird he picked me and Toad as being scum, but I don't think he had any kind of malicious intent here. It feels less like he's progressing an agenda and more like just something he didn't think that much about before posting. And Daniel is trying to spin this as though he was trying to "kill the conversation." This just looks like an excuse to subtly hop on a wagon without becoming too much into the spotlight.

i actually like that heyden called out antonio since he wasn?t really talk about before.

This is another thing that bothers me. People are piling on Antonio because he is being wishy-washy or something. I'm not going to type out a full-blown defense for Antonio, but it's bothering me that people are essentially taking Heyden's case as the most thought out so far because I really don't jive with it. Everything Antonio is accused of doing has been addressed at one point or another, and I don't read any of his posts as being forced either.

this seems to be a call to lynch an inactive and i don?t really like that tbh. if they don?t post more they?ll probably just be replaced. by wanting to placeholder vote pathetic it seems that glow doesn?t have a strong opinion on anyone else

Once again taking a quote out of context. I hate this. It's reaching for content on a perfectly fine post where all Glow says is that she won't be active due to exams. That's not including the fact that Glow made her thoughts clear to the thread several pages back, nowhere in it does she call for lynching Pathetic other than that they're lumped into a scumpool.


Alright I'm going to back into some earlier points for Daniel now.

i?m asking questions so i can learn more from the others. i already voiced my sus of you and i dont have much opinion on anyone else so i?m asking questions to get some more conversation going

I have a problem with this for a couple reasons. He uses this as his defense for my earlier post in that the entire game up until that point, all he had been doing was asking questions to give the allusion of contributing rather than actually step up as a leader. If you want context as to what I mean, look at just one of Toadsworthy's posts and compare it to most of the things Daniel has said. It's night and day as to how much better Toadsworthy's is regarding "contributing" than it is for Daniel. It's primarily Information over Analysis, and when it isn't, it's just making very blatant points that are easy to follow.

as you said before, there?s been little else in this game except the interaction between toads you and me. at that point everyone else only answered the qrs, so you and toads have spoken the most in this game (antonio is stepping in now too tho). if we only have 13 hours to make a vote, and we?ll be asleep for most of that time, i?d put my vote on ness for his emotional defensiveness

Call it OMGUS but this bothers the hell out of me. He essentially said that he would vote for me, leave, and wait for what would happen, all because I had an episode of emotion earlier in the game, which he himself conceded that only happened because I was joking around.

He later backs his point up with this, which isn't much better:

it seems to be more wifom to me. taking things too personally and using emotions are sometimes used to get people to feel bad and back off of them

That was his entire justification of wanting to vote for me at the time. You guys can take my word for it or not, but just look at the interaction in the beginning of the game. Not once did Toad say he was suspicious of me, all that happened was that I took my joke vote off unravel and said Toads was being a jerk. That was not a case of me trying to get pressure off myself, it was me being upset. That's it.

And that's what bothers me the most about Daniel. He's trying to cherry pick the most mundane things that other people have said and is running with it every time. He keeps getting a free pass because he's "contributing" the most, but he really just isn't. His logic has been backwards for most of his suspicions and he keeps getting away with it because he's using a cool, collected tone.

TLDR: I want a Daniel lynch today.
 
i said that antonio's tone is writing was off but i said it was stylistic so it wasn't anything major. it was weird but i didn't say that's why he's scum, also heyden says pretty much the same thing i said; does this mean that we're both wrong and scummy?

Hmmm okay I saw it more as a question than a direct push but I see where you’re coming from.

As for Antonio
2) If you correct yourself, wouldn’t you just delete the wrong piece of information and replace it with the correct? Unless that’s just how you type lol but it comes off as forced confusion to me.
3) I know it was early within the game, but your mafia guess was literally ‘Ness and Toads’, then you told them to stop fighting?? It just feels so inconsistent. Like if you thought it was a town vs town then sure that makes sense, but why would you tell off a supposed scum vs scum?? idk am I understanding wrong

i haven't said we should lynch antonio or that he's my top candidate for today, so i don't get why you think im trying to join a wagon. I've been pretty clear that i want to lynch you but not too many people agree with me yet. also when you saying people are piling up on antonio, it's just been heyden with toads and me agreeing. you're making it out to seem that antonio is being tunneled by everyone but that really isn't the case

also i called out glow for her post on pathetic bc despite her being present the whole game, she's only made two posts that weren't jokes. in one post she lists who could be in the scum pool but it's pretty much just the whole roster, so i don't actually think she's made her thoughts clear yet. i don't get who her top scum list is yet and saying she'd vote for pathetic was out of the blue to me

i mean yea i said i would vote for you yesterday cuz i thought the day was gonna end at 9am for me (which is even earlier for a lot of people). most people probably wouldn't be online at that time so i wanted to make my thoughts on the lynch clear before i went to bed. yea i was gonna disappear but that was to go to bed lmao

it's fair enough to interpret my questioning as light on substance but i kept asking them to keep getting thoughts on everyone. the questions i asked where for things people weren't being clear on/asking players like glow to provide content. i guess it's not the most active way to scum hunt but that's how i chose to start of the game
 
i said that antonio's tone is writing was off but i said it was stylistic so it wasn't anything major. it was weird but i didn't say that's why he's scum, also heyden says pretty much the same thing i said; does this mean that we're both wrong and scummy?

This isn't about heyden, it's about you agreeing with it. I disagree with his case but I'm not worried about him right now.

i haven't said we should lynch antonio or that he's my top candidate for today, so i don't get why you think im trying to join a wagon. I've been pretty clear that i want to lynch you but not too many people agree with me yet.

If you want to vote me, why haven't you done so? Looking for town approval?

also when you saying people are piling up on antonio, it's just been heyden with toads and me agreeing. you're making it out to seem that antonio is being tunneled by everyone but that really isn't the case

That doesn't matter. I read Antonio as town and you're subtly contributing to his wagon.

also i called out glow for her post on pathetic bc despite her being present the whole game, she's only made two posts that weren't jokes. in one post she lists who could be in the scum pool but it's pretty much just the whole roster, so i don't actually think she's made her thoughts clear yet. i don't get who her top scum list is yet and saying she'd vote for pathetic was out of the blue to me

Fair enough.

i mean yea i said i would vote for you yesterday cuz i thought the day was gonna end at 9am for me (which is even earlier for a lot of people). most people probably wouldn't be online at that time so i wanted to make my thoughts on the lynch clear before i went to bed. yea i was gonna disappear but that was to go to bed lmao

And yet at most you've said about me is you dislike my tone and that I'm being WIFOM with my emotions. You straight up said you would vote me and disappear, and you didn't even follow through with it and vote me. If I'm your top scumread why haven't you been focusing on me? This is exactly what I mean when I say you keep getting away with the most mundane points. Your last 5 posts let alone barely mention me in about 2 sentences, and yet somehow I'm your top scumread?

This is what I'm talking about when I say Daniel keeps getting away with things. He's hardly pushed me up as the lynch and keeps subtly pushing up Antonio by agreeing with Heyden and Toadsworthy, providing an easy scapegoat in case my lynch doesn't work out for his agenda. You can still push someone up for the lynch without actually saying "I scumread X", which is what I'm interpreting him to be doing to Antonio at this moment.

it's fair enough to interpret my questioning as light on substance but i kept asking them to keep getting thoughts on everyone. the questions i asked where for things people weren't being clear on/asking players like glow to provide content. i guess it's not the most active way to scum hunt but that's how i chose to start of the game

Once again pushing things that look good on paper but don't add up. You have provided essentially nothing to the table this game and are just agreeing with Toads and Heyden on everything they say, and you claim I'm your top scumread despite not even making a case for me.
 
Isn't like Antonio's post/tone always off in every game I mean like bruh some of us would have seen the pattern way long back thats why some of us usually suspect him early game????????????

I'm gonna play the role as a clown �� for entire game cuz boi I legitimately forgot how you guys play.

Right now I still kinda disagree lynching Ness, he always act like that every game and Daniel is just still focuses on Ness' behavior nothing much contribution I'm not even bias about it or anything and I keep reading Daniel's post all he say was "if not then who?", debating ness, jumps on agreeing people and not so much good contribution. Like example Heyden posting ISO on antonio then Daniel agrees this for what is it because of heyden's pov on antonio's post or was it because he kind of sided with Ness???

I cud say that Daniel is somewhat out of place I'm kind of wanna place vote wid him

Tldr: people scumreading Ness because trolling vote on me and his tone was stupid as me believing someone claimed dayvig

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His sarcastic tone*
 
I was gonna make a case for daniel but literally unravel and ness took the words out of my mouth. Aggressive tone doesn't mena someone is sus, it just means they are aggressive.
 
I was gonna make a case for daniel but literally unravel and ness took the words out of my mouth. Aggressive tone doesn't mena someone is sus, it just means they are aggressive.

I would rather hear what your case was going to be anyway. You won't get a free pass just because I typed out something similar.
 
Hey you little ****s Antonio isn?t going to be the lynch today

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Alright I?m getting sick of Daniel being handed a free pass just because he?s posting sweet looking posts devoid of real content. I?m not going to let you ****s lynch me or Antonio today.

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Sweaty, my pinky promise to you is that I'm town. You can feel this way, just know that I typed that post out to address some things I was thinking before bed, it's not as deep as you're thinking it is.

"I?m gonna say it upfront in that you were pretty rude and that was uncalled for"
 
Ness believing that Daniel is constructing some intricate plan on day 1 this out in the open is ludicrous. Antonio often does come across in a bad tone, I'll admit that too and he is an easy target to pin a lynch on day 1, but I don't think that excuses that he is wishy-washy and I don't think we should crucify anyone who says it. I also agreed with heyden's points about antonio's tone and so where is my 2 wall posts.

I also don't think having 3 SJWs rise up 7 hours before end of day should determine that we lynch daniel on the basis of him pointing out obvious things that are obvious, because I think he is contributing much more and he is talking about everyone. Scum day 1 is usually gonna be more reserved imo, which is why I'm more willing to vote someone reserved or ness whose reads looked really scum-tailored and has a record for being able to be volatile and out there as scum day 1
 
to respond to ness:

i didn't vote last night cuz the host extended day so i wasn't in a rush to anymore. yea i was gonna "disappear' but that was to go to bed and at that point i had explained why i was gonna vote. i also said before that i was willing to back off of you as other players were chiming in and i wanted to interact with them more. to be honest my sus you has been slowly growing weaker since you're interacting and demanding more from other players, but your cocky tone is still making me want to vote you tbh. i'm admitting it's a personal bias now but i still don't like how you haven't commented much on the other players besides me, toads, and antonio yet. i will make a more substantial case on you but i have to do that when i get home to my laptop (doing all of this with a phone is hard). you and unravel are fair enough in saying im not being active enough, so i'll work on that more

i'd be down for an antonio lynch yea. i guess you could say its a scapegoat but he's just my second choice for the lynch so yea id vote him if people won't vote for you. im also down to lynch glow

anyways ill make my thoughts on all players when i get home at like 5
 
but I'll vote ness on the basis of I originally called you out for trying to scum hunt/ draw attention on yourself (whether thats what you planned or not) and essentially distract us from talking candidly about everyone with open discussion, essentially tunnel visioning the whole town. I think you are doing this again by throwing this huge daniel argument in our face, putting sarcastic responses to everyone who calls you out, using expletives. That's not going to be helpful and its definitely a scum-sided way to view the game and act. I also think he is capable to run this ruse on day 1.
 
I would rather hear what your case was going to be anyway. You won't get a free pass just because I typed out something similar.
Sorry. currently in class.

My case was that damniel read on you lack substance for you to be considered sus. His claims for you being sus included:

1. Your tone is aggressive/emotional for you to be considered townie. - Tone doesn't mean someone is sus, it's just mean their tone is whatever the tone was described.

2. You keeping your vote on unravel for way too long. - It was a joke to begin with, him not removing the vote when you think he should've doesn't mean it's role alignment.

Basically, daniel has a weak case against you unless I am forgetting something. However, he's still relentless about you being scum. Of course, it's day 1 so there is never much to work with.
 
Ness believing that Daniel is constructing some intricate plan on day 1 this out in the open is ludicrous.

Where did I say that Daniel is constructing an "intricate plan" here? My point being is that Daniel is being reserved in his posts. My point being is that Daniel is making points that are obvious without actually leading to anything. Here is my train of thought here:

1. Scum needs to look like they're catching scum.

A: Daniel has stated he wants to lynch me, and has provided little to nothing regarding why. Rather than follow through with it, he keeps asking people for thoughts and opinions than put his money where his mouth is.

2. Scum needs to create excuses as to why they want to lynch someone so it gives the allusion they know what they're talking about.

A: Daniel keeps providing vague, open reasons to be suspicious of people. The reason I do not include you or Heyden in the same vein as Antonio's accusations is because of the fact that I mildly townread both of you at this point in time. There's a distinction between actively developing points being made and just subtly agreeing with them.

3. Scum needs to stay away from responsibility so that they are not slammed later when the results flip.

IMO Daniel has done this the entirety of D1 by staying within a close enough proximity it looks like he's pinning blame on people while he is not appearing to be the origin. This is what I mean in that Antonio is a scapegoat; he can easily develop on that wagon while you and Heyden do the dirty work.

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but I'll vote ness on the basis of I originally called you out for trying to scum hunt/ draw attention on yourself (whether thats what you planned or not) and essentially distract us from talking candidly about everyone with open discussion, essentially tunnel visioning the whole town. I think you are doing this again by throwing this huge daniel argument in our face, putting sarcastic responses to everyone who calls you out, using expletives. That's not going to be helpful and its definitely a scum-sided way to view the game and act. I also think he is capable to run this ruse on day 1.

I'm capable of running this ruse, but you're not accepting my pinky when I say that it isn't me. I'm suggesting to you that Daniel is the scummiest person in the thread right now.

I'm sorry that I can be offensive. I really am. But I'm not doing this as an effort to distract from anything, I'm laying it all out on the table and I'm putting my chips on Daniel for this phase. If you think I'm "capable" of doing what I'm doing, then sure. I don't know what else to tell you if you're going to be deaf to me saying that I'm not doing that.

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This feels like 2015 mafia all over again smh.
 
Because pinky promises may as well be a slap to the face as far as respecting other players' maturity and does nothing to help any type of case you want to present. Don't be sorry for being offensive; thats not taking responsibility for what you say, doesn't promise any change for the future, and doesn't account for being a hypocrite. And I'm not really going to listen to anyone who first and foremost is a hypocrite.

I think riding someone for pointing out obvious things that in deed are actually scummy is just as dumb. I feel like that has gotten many a game lost in confusion. I don't think its scum indicative and I think it would be more scummy for someone to be wanting to lynch antonio for a scummy tone he has basically every game... but no daniel isn't doing that. Also if he was scum, I think he would think through his thoughts like that rather than just spitballing with everyone

The intricate plan remark is a nod to how you are blowing up what daniel is doing but dissecting every minute detail and every word he has basically said
 
Literally in obs chat by now
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White Mafia Kanye President 2020 said:
I'm capable of running this ruse, but you're not accepting my pinky when I say that it isn't me. I'm suggesting to you that Daniel is the scummiest person in the thread right now.

What Daniel IS saying is for you to lay off the arrogance and its statements like this that will garner no respect and turn no listening ear. Chill out and stop talking like every one is beneath you because its getting damn tired, or at the very least don't DM other players saying that they are "pretty rude and that was uncalled for" when you wanna turn around and start spewing more rude comments and be condescending to everyone
 
it seems like today is going full circle as toads ness and i are starting to tunnel each other again. yea i want to lynch ness but i want to hear from the other players who’ve been more quiet
 
Because pinky promises may as well be a slap to the face as far as respecting other players' maturity and does nothing to help any type of case you want to present. Don't be sorry for being offensive; thats not taking responsibility for what you say, doesn't promise any change for the future, and doesn't account for being a hypocrite. And I'm not really going to listen to anyone who first and foremost is a hypocrite.

I think riding someone for pointing out obvious things that in deed are actually scummy is just as dumb. I feel like that has gotten many a game lost in confusion. I don't think its scum indicative and I think it would be more scummy for someone to be wanting to lynch antonio for a scummy tone he has basically every game... but no daniel isn't doing that. Also if he was scum, I think he would think through his thoughts like that rather than just spitballing with everyone

The intricate plan remark is a nod to how you are blowing up what daniel is doing but dissecting every minute detail and every word he has basically said

It's not hypocritical for me to admit that I've been rude. I accept that. I apologize for being rude in the thread and I did not intend anything malicious. You're misinterpreting my case and you're locking on to me simply because of a joke? You're refusing to listen to me with an open mind and you're taking one single wrong thing as a reason to vote me out. I'm am calmly suggesting to you that Daniel is a better lynch than I; I do not know if I'm right about Daniel, but nobody in the thread has pinged me as being more suspicious than him. If you don't want to work with me on anything because I'm being hypocritical, then fine.

I guess we'll just have to see where your certainty gets you should others follow.
 
also toads strong defense of me is differently interesting as it’s coming out of the blue so i don’t think it’s town or scum telling yet. i still townread toads but strong defending me is def one of the weirder things he’s doing today

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ahhh all these tunneling is making me doubt myself
 
What Daniel IS saying is for you to lay off the arrogance and its statements like this that will garner no respect and turn no listening ear. Chill out and stop talking like every one is beneath you because its getting damn tired, or at the very least don't DM other players saying that they are "pretty rude and that was uncalled for" when you wanna turn around and start spewing more rude comments and be condescending to everyone

This is just petty at this point, you're the only one that's attacking me now. I already apologized and I never intended to offend anyone. The only reason my title is "Mafia President" is because I won the Mayor role in a game several years back.

I'm going to leave for a while. If this is what this is coming to then I don't think I want to play anymore. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
 
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