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I think I want to see more people at least answer the questions asked before making any judgements...I’m still not seeing a whole lot to go off of yet personally,, don’t have much to add to the current ....whatever is happening
It’s soon to be time for me to head off for the night but I’ll catch up in the morning ;
Maybe tunneling was a bad word. I mean everyone is too focused on you and it's doing anything right now
also I'm sorry you got the wrong idea but I said both of these in hypothetical situations
what isnt? wario thing? ugh i'm not a native english speaker and in portuguese we dont have this word "would" because we conjugate every verb and there is a tense called futuro do preterito perfectly for hypothesis but that doesnt exist in english and sometimes im brain dead and I think use present tense for all these tenses that doesnt exist in english
all around an empty question since aces answer already explained he hasn't flipped mafia in the past and its not like ace would answer that he flipped mafia for the first time now.
also kinda implies geoni believes that ace is town this game?
You call me empty or filler or TMI or something akin to that every game we play together, gets tiring. This was less meant to be a question as it was conversational, I took a null stance on the current game as it's the one I'm trying to figure out. There was this pinch of a townread on him and meta (seeing a person's range as a wolf) helps solidify a weak read. The follow-up was more a proper question if anything given he is branching out to other sites. But RIP no scum meta anywhere.
green claiming blue* ninja'd. it's useless and anti-town to do so, which is why i've addressed this and everyone ignored: why is shawo joking despite people saying not to claim/me intentionally outing to avoid what he did?
How is you claiming a green role prevent anyone else from doing so? Hell, I could claim bus driver and someone else could still claim to be whatever role they want. Just because someone claims something here doesn't mean it's truth. It's suspicious you keep bring this subject up.
because i've played mafia with him before and know that he does this and tried to prevent it from happening by being the only one to claim d1. this is a moot point and my patience is too low to entertain a convo abt it. pls redirect further questions to my assistant @Geoni
I think if you are tired out there's nothing wrong with being like "I said what I said" about it, just not entertain the questions about it towards you so you don't get sucked back in, and do some scumhunting work.
I think I want to see more people at least answer the questions asked before making any judgements...I’m still not seeing a whole lot to go off of yet personally,, don’t have much to add to the current ....whatever is happening
It’s soon to be time for me to head off for the night but I’ll catch up in the morning ;
You're probably already asleep and I'm too late but you'll see this in the morning if not. Since you feel this way have you found anyone to make you lean as towny or as scummy?
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Okay RIP everyone is going to bed. Maybe epona or unravel will pop up.
I'm currently feeling decent about
Aerious
Volt
Cake
Ace
Maybe Sidney
Maybe Ness
My appeal is not to lynch in this pool as of right now.
Everyone else kinda disappeared or hasn't shown me the drive to start trying to solve this game that I look for in townies. I'll probably get pooped on for trying to solve too fast but getting multiple people to PoE traps wolves outside of it. The sooner the better.
Bump down Cake to maybe if more people sus Aerious for similar reasons he did.
Glow has at least started off on the same tired old foot at me so that's good but I honestly don't remember playing with her when she's scum and that's certainly not enough as it is.
Shawo coming in just to post about the claim conversation and add a little chaos to it isn't exactly pro-town when there's nothing else from him but he's probably going to dig in a little better later into the dayphase from what I remember of him.
Epona and Dino still kinda null for me, answered my rqs but they're both solid enough for me as players to not get a read from tone alone and their answers are pretty similar to everyone else's, Dino has done just a touch more but none of it really AI.
Idk Fleshy's schedule but I'll have to reread him because I'm already forgetting what he's said so far outside of his RQS answers.
You're probably already asleep and I'm too late but you'll see this in the morning if not. Since you feel this way have you found anyone to make you lean as towny or as scummy?
Nah I haven’t quite went out for the night yet, checking in on the new horizons forums first ahah
I’m assuming you meant if I was leaning town/scum for anyone:
Honestly, not really. Feeling pretty neutral about everybody so far.
There’s a few things that raise questions but they could honestly go either way and they’ve all been mostly discussed at this point imo. But we’re still really only a few hours in, so I don’t see a point in witch-hunting quuiiite yet. Though, I guess someone will have to be lynched eventually...
1) What are your preferred pronouns? Also, do you have any nickname that you prefer to go by?
she/her/your highness/my queen 2) What is your timezone/schedule?
+8 GMT Singapore 3) How would you describe your past experience with mafia?
Third party chaotic, paranoid as mafia 4) As a king if the majority wants someone lynched that you do not will you go against it?
Ofc especially day one lynch 5) As a King how will you go about having a leadership position in general, in addition to the question above?
Do you guys even nominate me? Cuz tbh I never been to king role anyway
But yeah if I was which I really doubt based of everyone's suspicion/analysis u
No suspicions so far and I can't read the newbies im not saying ill give them a free pass tho
i kind of hate this (in a vacuum from any reads btw), you came out all guns blazing at the very beginning of day 1 and decided to claim based on what you think might be a good strategy and with no regard to the gamestate etc
i do get your reasoning (that doesn't mean i agree with it so you don't have to repeat it) but you're a competent player and you know early claims are generally considered not beneficial to town bc it does narrow down roles and assist with blue-sniping, so i think it's a bit heavy-handed to claim early because YOU think it's a good idea, knowing that people will disagree with it, and then tell everyone else that they shouldn't claim under any circumstances now that you've jumped the gun and done it
'literally don't claim at all' should also have applied to yourself if u ask me
Whats the point of you claiming? You said it was to avoid distraction but all you've done is bring attention to yourself. Obv everyone cannot be green but thats why everyone doesn't role claim. All its doing is bring suspicion onto yourself. If someone claims a blue role and they are really just a townie for the purpose of taking a hit if the the town who are you helping? All you're doing is hurting the town and giving maf a free kill.
agree with this, i realise geoni has commented on it already but i was grabbing quotes as i was reading through the thread so this is not me sheeping lol
i don't understand how someone claiming green stops anybody else from claiming blue or fake/bait claiming blue. i also agree that all it's done is distract the thread
that's why i'm saying hero can claim to avoid killing 2 town instead of playing as jester for a free shot. the only risk is that hero becomes nk, but vig shot in itself/playing as jester is a huge risk. hero can claim tomorrow if anything.
to prevent shawo claiming blue d1 and others claiming as well. green claiming is irrelevant in km and shouldn't be done. how has it brought suspicion to me LMAO
on another point it's interesting that aerious brought up in her big claim post that this would probably make her low-hanging fruit for a mafia wagon, and she also re-quoted it to reiterate it, but at the same time is jumping down the throat of everyone who townreads her?? (ness and geoni iirc)
i honestly don't think this 'strategy' is AI, it could be town for reasons other people have already said before but i can literally in my mind visualise aerious bringing this up in the mafia quicktopic lol
Nah I haven’t quite went out for the night yet, checking in on the new horizons forums first ahah
I’m assuming you meant if I was leaning town/scum for anyone:
Honestly, not really. Feeling pretty neutral about everybody so far.
There’s a few things that raise questions but they could honestly go either way and they’ve all been mostly discussed at this point imo. But we’re still really only a few hours in, so I don’t see a point in witch-hunting quuiiite yet. Though, I guess someone will have to be lynched eventually...
I'm not going to derail more and hone in on Aerious' claim, I don't agree with claiming an hour into the game but I understand why it was done, it'd be a bold move as mafia, bold move in general actually. Seems more of a town move than anything else, weak town lean right now but nothing solid.
Shawos posts stand out, nothing of substance, 5/6 posts mention being PR or an "important role". I get that it's a joke, but why go that hard with it that it's the entirely of your posts thus far? Seems off. It's empty and confusing and I don't see that as pro-town esp. this early on in the game where there's already so little to base reads on. Then again, not familiar with his play and I'll be waiting for more substance from him
1) What are your preferred pronouns? Also, do you have any nickname that you prefer to go by?
she/her/your highness/my queen 2) What is your timezone/schedule?
+8 GMT Singapore 3) How would you describe your past experience with mafia?
Third party chaotic, paranoid as mafia 4) As a king if the majority wants someone lynched that you do not will you go against it?
Ofc especially day one lynch 5) As a King how will you go about having a leadership position in general, in addition to the question above?
Do you guys even nominate me? Cuz tbh I never been to king role anyway
But yeah if I was which I really doubt based of everyone's suspicion/analysis u
No suspicions so far and I can't read the newbies im not saying ill give them a free pass tho
Kings aren't nominated by the group, which makes this either a derpclear or a dumbtell, you've mind-gamed me in the past so I'm not going to settle myself on derpclear yet even if that's what I lean on a gut level. But I think this moment is worth discussing because it seems like you would know there is a Kingmaker as scum if in a chat.
You have to just read the newbies by what they are posting regardless of them not having meta if that's your issue.
Didn't you just say that townies aren't disposable in this version of mafia? There's also the fact that if you're telling the truth, you objectively just made things easier to find the blue roles??
Townies aren't disposable, VT is arguably the most important role in this game. Mafia wins if VT+KM are all dead, even if other town powers are alive. If the KM dies and there's available VTs, that townie will become the new KM. iirc.
Curious as to why Geoni says me lying isn't AI... like true, lying isn't always AI... but where did I lie?
I've ISOd Dino's scumgame from that last one and I'll say I'm not going to apply it heavily atm, I'm fine keeping her at null until I can get what I'm looking for from a townie. Take that as a sign of respect and not an insult, Dino.
I seem to remember you were townreading me last game. So last game I had "what you were looking for as a townie". As scum. So I'm not sure how much weight this comment holds at all. It's definitely not an insult lol.
Side note - who here isn't familiar with Shawo and the usual Shawo antics? I think it's most of us, right? I fail to see how trying to bait claims at this point in the game is at all useful and, if serious about wanting to be King, has quite possibly just put the KM off choosing you entirely.
Aerious constantly asking people not to role claim and continuing to talk about role claiming almost feels like Shawo's claim baiting, but like... extra. And I don't like it.
ok i am awake. time to offer my thoughts on the only thing that has happened so far
i kind of hate this (in a vacuum from any reads btw), you came out all guns blazing at the very beginning of day 1 and decided to claim based on what you think might be a good strategy and with no regard to the gamestate etc
i do get your reasoning (that doesn't mean i agree with it so you don't have to repeat it) but you're a competent player and you know early claims are generally considered not beneficial to town bc it does narrow down roles and assist with blue-sniping, so i think it's a bit heavy-handed to claim early because YOU think it's a good idea, knowing that people will disagree with it, and then tell everyone else that they shouldn't claim under any circumstances now that you've jumped the gun and done it
'literally don't claim at all' should also have applied to yourself if u ask me
agree with this, i realise geoni has commented on it already but i was grabbing quotes as i was reading through the thread so this is not me sheeping lol
i don't understand how someone claiming green stops anybody else from claiming blue or fake/bait claiming blue. i also agree that all it's done is distract the thread
...then why did u do it
on another point it's interesting that aerious brought up in her big claim post that this would probably make her low-hanging fruit for a mafia wagon, and she also re-quoted it to reiterate it, but at the same time is jumping down the throat of everyone who townreads her?? (ness and geoni iirc)
i honestly don't think this 'strategy' is AI, it could be town for reasons other people have already said before but i can literally in my mind visualise aerious bringing this up in the mafia quicktopic lol
Why is none of this at all AI to you? It sounds more like you have alignment tells from it but because it's a mixed bag you don't want to say it's one or the other. I don't think this is the -only- thing that has been talked about by the way!
I'm not sure where you are standing in that second to last paragraph btw, you find these moments contradictory or something?
I'm not going to derail more and hone in on Aerious' claim, I don't agree with claiming an hour into the game but I understand why it was done, it'd be a bold move as mafia, bold move in general actually. Seems more of a town move than anything else, weak town lean right now but nothing solid.
Shawos posts stand out, nothing of substance, 5/6 posts mention being PR or an "important role". I get that it's a joke, but why go that hard with it that it's the entirely of your posts thus far? Seems off. It's empty and confusing and I don't see that as pro-town esp. this early on in the game where there's already so little to base reads on. Then again, not familiar with his play and I'll be waiting for more substance from him
I'll normally be around at this time, and dissapear around the time I did last night, or a little earlier.
Townies aren't disposable, VT is arguably the most important role in this game. Mafia wins if VT+KM are all dead, even if other town powers are alive. If the KM dies and there's available VTs, that townie will become the new KM. iirc.
Curious as to why Geoni says me lying isn't AI... like true, lying isn't always AI... but where did I lie?
I seem to remember you were townreading me last game. So last game I had "what you were looking for as a townie". As scum. So I'm not sure how much weight this comment holds at all. It's definitely not an insult lol.
Side note - who here isn't familiar with Shawo and the usual Shawo antics? I think it's most of us, right? I fail to see how trying to bait claims at this point in the game is at all useful and, if serious about wanting to be King, has quite possibly just put the KM off choosing you entirely.
Aerious constantly asking people not to role claim and continuing to talk about role claiming almost feels like Shawo's claim baiting, but like... extra. And I don't like it.
When you said you never voted townies but the last serious game I played with you involved you voting town for two days. You said it's only about current you after I brought it up but you said never and activated the Geo-fact checker-lie-detector-alpha-2000.
A boast is a boast and mythic figures get their powers from somewhere. I'm not going to knock it too hard. I, for example, have never been lynched before day 3.
In regards to Shawo there are plenty of new faces in this game, Fleshy just a few posts ago for example.
What's the extra you're getting from Aerious as compared to Shawo and what do you dislike about it? You're reading some sort of intention in it when you put it that way.
Why is none of this at all AI to you? It sounds more like you have alignment tells from it but because it's a mixed bag you don't want to say it's one or the other. I don't think this is the -only- thing that has been talked about by the way!
I'm not sure where you are standing in that second to last paragraph btw, you find these moments contradictory or something?
mixed bag is probably a better way to put it than not-AI, yeah. essentially i don't think it's a good enough reason for people to townread her bc she could easily do this as either alignment
and yes i find it contradictory. she said she was expecting her claim to start up a mafia wagon on her and indicated that she thought that was going to happen by reiterating the point, but is also slamming anyone who townreads her? i'm just not really sure what way she expected this to play out
Rightfully so, honestly. I know it's weak but I don't have many thoughts on anyone else who has been active so far, there hasn't been too much said I also find some players, you for example, hard to read. The only thoughts I really have right now are on Aerious and Shawo.
I'm hoping the game will pick up throughout the day and I'll manage to get some proper reads out
When you said you never voted townies but the last serious game I played with you involved you voting town for two days. You said it's only about current you after I brought it up but you said never and activated the Geo-fact checker-lie-detector-alpha-2000.
A boast is a boast and mythic figures get their powers from somewhere. I'm not going to knock it too hard. I, for example, have never been lynched before day 3.
In regards to Shawo there are plenty of new faces in this game, Fleshy just a few posts ago for example.
What's the extra you're getting from Aerious as compared to Shawo and what do you dislike about it? You're reading some sort of intention in it when you put it that way.
fwiw i think you guys have crossed wires here somewhere
the comment dino made about 'never voting townie' was, i understood, an elaboration on her point of 'show me anyone with a perfect track record' i.e. show me anyone who's never voted to lynch someone who flipped town
i don't think she was claiming to never have voted for a townie
What's the extra you're getting from Aerious as compared to Shawo and what do you dislike about it? You're reading some sort of intention in it when you put it that way.
The whole "we should stop talking about role claims" when they are the one continuing to talk about role claims. The only possible reasoning I could see this being useful in any way is as an attempt to bait claims/detract the discussion from other subjects, neither of which are particularly helpful to town.
Of course, Aerious could also just not know what they're doing. But I don't like to assume that about people.
