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the answer is no. watcher can't find km. km is late game discussion, no point theorizing how to navigate it. they can't say who they're kinging next day, so km will have to make a hell of an argument to cc maf if maf ccs
Completely out of left field here and likely not important but Volt being chosen as King for probability actually makes very little sense when I have just come out of being scum two games in a row.
Completely out of left field here and likely not important but Volt being chosen as King for probability actually makes very little sense when I have just come out of being scum two games in a row.
True, but a motion tracker doesn't normally get told the role. If KM "visited" someone who also got visited by mafia, they'd die. If the tracker followed the KM, it would appear to the tracker as if the KM killed 'em. Also roleblockers says "all actions but kingmaker selection may be blocked" implying it could be. So I don't think it's a terrible question. Unless this is Shawo's attempt at softclaiming the tracker. Then it's a bad question.
i expect shawo to do one of two things in his coming posts and that will be the most AI, he has very high self preservation
i typed that earlier but then when he came back to the thread i realised he doesn't feel any pressure on him is threatening so i guess that's not happening
i expect shawo to do one of two things in his coming posts and that will be the most AI, he has very high self preservation
i typed that earlier but then when he came back to the thread i realised he doesn't feel any pressure on him is threatening so i guess that's not happening
from june mafia, he went toe to toe w/ ness to defend innocence/get leads. that's why i'm taken aback by this game thus far and i'm completely unsure about him
I said it wasn't a bad question. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking questions about roles. I don't think talking about roles in the long run and trying to pin who is who is a good idea. And no matter what Shawo claimed to be I wouldn't for a second believe it after everything I've seen.
It doesn't mean anything, it's just a random thought since it's been brought up a couple of times that Volt was probably chosen to be King because of low chance of being the scum this game after the last game.
I agree that's it's bad for town. I just wanted to point out that going on "oh Epona probably isn't the KM" only narrows down the potential KM pool further and that is also bad for town.
We've got Aerious claiming green, knocking Epona out, Shawo doing... whatever Shawo is doing, that's already a bunch of peeps as potential Kings down. Also it obviously can't be Volt. So there's more.
My point is, we haven't actually properly knocked Epona out of the running and trying to do so narrows potentials, which we both agree is bad.
i mean, Tom did the same thing as mafia so there's definitely a pattern with it.
cakes post itself was safe, they made a very non controversial statement by criticizing aerious' motivations for claiming.
to be clear i tend to agree with the post itself. but it's kind of ironic since it was a criticism that's self defeating "you did it because you wanted to prevent [chaos of blues claiming] from happening"
but the post itself just feeds into that [derailment/chaos/whatever]
(I'm on break rn so I'll try to catch up as much as I can)
I didn't realize calling the mafia 'maf' was a sign you were part of them. I was simply shorting the word bc I'm on mobile. But I guess I should also refer to the town as 'tow'.
(I'm on break rn so I'll try to catch up as much as I can)
I didn't realize calling the mafia 'maf' was a sign you were part of them. I was simply shorting the word bc I'm on mobile. But I guess I should also refer to the town as 'tow'.
It's less calling them maf and not calling it THE maf.
Saying "maf" and "THE town" gives the impression you're a part of the first group but not the second, as the language you use distances yourself from town but not maf.
I for one think it's not really that big of a deal in the long run. A minor slip at best and often not intended to come across the way it does. U should be good. For now.
omfg i guess i have to address this. catching up on the thread vs reading it live is so interesting it rlly gives you a different perspective? anyway lots of quotes incoming bc would like to put this to bed
i actually don't really follow how this is bad, maybe i shouldn't have posted it but i'm really not seeing it through the same lens as everyone else. i was literally just commenting about how it's a funny coincidence that volt won ness's game as scum yesterday and then was kinged in this game, i don't really think that's a 'VERY anti-town' comment to make, it was just an observation and it doesn't speak to anyone's motivation literally anyone on the playerlist could have kinged volt
i'm also not an idiot i know how maths works, but there's a natural tendency to be like 'oh what are the chances that volt is scum twice in a row' even if that's not how actual probability works out. that is literally all i was saying. it doesn't go any deeper than that lmfao
It's not really a case in that I felt pressured to not say anything (because I did), it's that she just kinda ignored what I had to say for some reason. I made a rebuttal here:
So, I do agree with glow in that this is the scummiest thing that Epona has said so far. I think it's common sense not to try and speculate on the Kingmaker's identity, whether she meant to or not, and I can see her making this comment after it being on her mind for a while. I do find it a little more jarring considering that Epona had no reason to point this out in the first place, as in the previous page she was just arguing with you.
my qualm with what she said is that it rules her out as km, especially with me already making the stupid play to out my role as townie. it narrows down the pool for mafia, which imo is an anti-town play
it makes no logical sense for km to theorize km's motives publicly, and i think epona's choice would've been more methodical than on volt for the sole reason of probability (bc it's not applicable here). obviously nothing against volt as king, but i can't see any scenario where it makes sense
i gotta be honest with you you're making it extremely hard for me not to scumlean you. i really want to believe you're town but it's insane how much contradiction is going on.
'i'm hardclaiming vt to stop other people claiming. nobody else claim ever. nobody else talk about roles. meanwhile i'm going to continue talking about my claim for 5 pages'
'dino and i are not worth wasting time on d1. everyone stop talking about it. i'm gonna keep talking about it but every time i do i'll say we need to stop discussing this'
'it makes no sense to theorise about kingmaker and epona doing it is madly anti-town. meanwhile let me openly and publicly theorise about why i think epona definitely isn't kingmaker and keep the conversation about km going'
the only person being actively anti-town here is you
i don't think only people in the last game would know that volt was mafia? when ongoing games are completed it's generally discussed in the discord server etc and people do keep up with games they're not playing
also like i said this is being read far too much into i was literally just noting the coincidence, there's a million reasons why volt could be king. sorry i posted it i didn't realise it would make me public enemy #1 but i also think it's being blown out of proportion here
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also as a final note the only reason i posted the comment about volt in the first place was bc i wanted the conversation to change direction. i could see the aerious interaction was heading toward an argument bc that's exactly what happened in radical's game with aerious/toads so i was trying to mitigate the intensity
@Sidney you being new is a great advantage since you don't have to deal with meta, do you have any suspicion on someone?
Also I agree with Epona, million reasons, even if it is someone that played last game, it's a new one. Is like me being auto lock town from the start just because I've never been mafia. If there was a reason for Volt to be King today we all will know in due time.
You're oddly flustered by this, the only people that questioned you were me/glow and Aerious piggy backed off it into some other weird point. Who thinks you're public enemy #1?
epona said:
also as a final note the only reason i posted the comment about volt in the first place was bc i wanted the conversation to change direction. i could see the aerious interaction was heading toward an argument bc that's exactly what happened in radical's game with aerious/toads so i was trying to mitigate the intensity
i'm also not an idiot i know how maths works, but there's a natural tendency to be like 'oh what are the chances that volt is scum twice in a row' even if that's not how actual probability works out. that is literally all i was saying. it doesn't go any deeper than that lmfao
it goes beyond a natural tendency since statistically speaking flipping mafia twice IS the least likely outcome. so the reason for it being my point to call attention to is that its fallacious logic to mention as well as potentially lending itself to being useful for mafia depending on what's said (i.e. not everyone is active in the discord server or is a member/not everyone was spectating last game/etc.)
tl;dr for what was anti-town:
1. you're aware that it doesn't actually mean anything about KM or volt
2. it opens up further speculation for who KM is
i wouldn't say you're public enemy #1 though i think aerious was the only person to say anything, then i did but didn't notice aerious had already pointed it out.
fwiw I was just curious about the kingmaker visit because it just means that there's only 1 PR you can catch w/ the visit, but up to 3 mafia (1 if u can't the roleblocker.)
The reason why this matters is that it effectively allows watcher to sort roles more effectively.
I mean any mechanics that are happening here aren't too useful. If Volt lynches mafia then they get watched + docced so watcher can find the doc then watcher can claim + be clear etc.
I mean it doesn't really matter...
I guess the only issue with the setup is that a "clear" who's protected by doc/watcher can still die to mafia who's sacrificing themselves.
/shrug
Naturally I nominate myself to be this effervescent and effective clear.
