Eh I get it I really should have done more to make that clear to you. But that was why I liked your post and I said “the denial of some speaks volumes”
anyway be back later
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Idk what you mean, can you explain like I’m 5
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anyway be back later
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fleshy if ness thought you were watcher he would've @'d you, told you that you were his number 1 townclaim, preface it with some inclination that he was about to claim, and then claim.
Instead it feels more like he went back 3 posts to a the one time he interacted with you and said.
haha I softed.
My man was caught with his hand in the cookie jar if you let him live I will never forgive you.
Ness has commented on this thread 5 times defending himself, yet requires 3 hours to write up a post explaining why they did what they did.
O_O
Instead it feels more like he went back 3 posts to a the one time he interacted with you and said.
haha I softed.
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My man was caught with his hand in the cookie jar if you let him live I will never forgive you.
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Ness has commented on this thread 5 times defending himself, yet requires 3 hours to write up a post explaining why they did what they did.
O_O
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i disagree that its okay for mafia to make stupid plays especially if youre citing chaos as the incentive
chaos in general benefits town more than it does wolves especially when it comes to end of day scenarios, wolves in chaos are by definition less organized and not working as a coherent team whereas town is already working chaotically and they dont have to worry as much by their action perception due to no burden of guilt
beyond that its a simple numbers game trading one for one benefits town the most and in this specific instance if the wolves believe you are a pr why do they kill dino and then try to lynch you immediately afterwards? why would they not just night kill you? the only way this makes sense is if epona is also mafia but their goal should have been to "accidentally kill" shawo (if im understanding the kingmaker concept correctly) which they also would have botched then since epona made it clear they were not killing shawo until eod
does this help clear up my position at all?
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yes i think the claim was a bit premature but it wasnt wrong by any means
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go eat lunchIt’s funny you keep bringing this up as my motivation considering nearly everyone in the thread has said at one point I am mildly town, and from my POV I was never in any danger of being eliminated
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dang mafia have a secret flip editor role
In an address to the points you've made that make me believe you have not been following the game (you did sub in I guess.)
I was an impossible night kill because I had claimed PR. Doc basically gets to go on me for free.
Dino dying as blue is likely what lead to this gambit.
This is very clearly a planned out play, and not just Ness loose cannoning a strategy.
The reason why this is clearly a planned out play is because the mafia read me as watcher, but also didn't want to risk killing me and getting doc-saved.
The reasons why they read me as watcher have already been listed out.
I'm not treating this as a bad play for mafia just because the worst outcome had happened.
This was a good mafia play, if I was watcher.
I was an impossible night kill because I had claimed PR. Doc basically gets to go on me for free.
Dino dying as blue is likely what lead to this gambit.
This is very clearly a planned out play, and not just Ness loose cannoning a strategy.
The reason why this is clearly a planned out play is because the mafia read me as watcher, but also didn't want to risk killing me and getting doc-saved.
The reasons why they read me as watcher have already been listed out.
I'm not treating this as a bad play for mafia just because the worst outcome had happened.
This was a good mafia play, if I was watcher.
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i tend to treat five year olds with the respect they deserve yet so few grown ups give them
if you have a guilty check on a player you should want to lynch them
your hesitancy here was either due to site culture or (the secret reason i didnt want to announce so that it wouldnt be on the table for claim resolution) the claim being fps and its noticeable to many players
The reason I said all that is because even if you believe it's a chaotic play from mafia vs a chaotic play from town, doesn't mean you should townread Ness because there was literally no upside to their play, even if you stretch the word upside to it's most generous definition.
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like claim claimed pr? i can understand this then from the point of wanting to kill the investigative but it still doesnt justify trading one pr for one wolf to me
the wolves would need to be setting someone up super deep for this to be a valid strategy
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ps you are right i am missing a lot of context due to laziness
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the maximum upside to their play from the pov of fpsing town is getting a wolf lynched and baiting a nightkill
they played it pretty poorly tho and if they are town i think thats whats going to get them mislynched ultimately
fwiw tho, trading 1 mafia for watcher is the best possible trade you can make. Removing an investigative role from the game means that it takes 1 mafia to towntell to the end of the game to win.
Obviously by claiming watcher here, they either get to get me lynched - OR they get to fish watcher at very little cost.
Now they have nothing to fear - via roleblocking/killing.
Yes but their maximum upside failed for multiple reasons:
One, they clearly didn't do the research necessary for the necessary play. If I felt like Ness had aptly prepared for the roleclaim I would not be calling it "bad town play."
Second, they clearly didn't soft towards their watcher read at all.
Third, after I had not cc'd watcher ness had a post to retract their claim, but CHOSE not to, instead making some cryptic message where they were preparing to back off after they got cc'd.
Functionally speaking, it was a lot better of a mafia play than it was a town play.
Because they immediately unclaimed after watcher claimed, citing the fact that they had been "going to retract anyways." knowing that watcher would claim the second they see their post.
Had ness done any of the three things in question I would be inclined to believe that they were town.
I literally wrote a post telling ness to retract right then or else be forever scumread if cc'd.
And he still didn't retract lmao.
Obviously by claiming watcher here, they either get to get me lynched - OR they get to fish watcher at very little cost.
Now they have nothing to fear - via roleblocking/killing.
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Yes but their maximum upside failed for multiple reasons:
One, they clearly didn't do the research necessary for the necessary play. If I felt like Ness had aptly prepared for the roleclaim I would not be calling it "bad town play."
Second, they clearly didn't soft towards their watcher read at all.
Third, after I had not cc'd watcher ness had a post to retract their claim, but CHOSE not to, instead making some cryptic message where they were preparing to back off after they got cc'd.
Functionally speaking, it was a lot better of a mafia play than it was a town play.
Because they immediately unclaimed after watcher claimed, citing the fact that they had been "going to retract anyways." knowing that watcher would claim the second they see their post.
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Had ness done any of the three things in question I would be inclined to believe that they were town.
I literally wrote a post telling ness to retract right then or else be forever scumread if cc'd.
And he still didn't retract lmao.
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yes thats definitely the best possible 1for1 available to the wolves but i personally dont think its a good one
tho its worth noting that i tend to exclusively powerwolf and never bus
tho its worth noting that i tend to exclusively powerwolf and never bus
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Just because you wouldn't do a wolf-play doesn't mean someone else wouldn't.
I just find it odd because you consider Ness to not be wolf for doing a play you wouldn't do as wolf, yet exclude them even though they did a play you wouldn't do as town.
I believe there's an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting Ness being mafia.
I'm also going to cc whatever they claim, so if you'd like to lynch them before they try to fish another PR that would be wonderful.
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One last note: if ness really thought I was mafia and wanted to get me lynched, their best play would've been to claim PR (not hardclaim) and push me all day. If I really visited the kill I would treat them as watcher and try to kill them.
Doesn't take a genius to figure that line out.
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i never said i wouldnt make the same play as town
i probably wouldnt do it in a fully open setup but ive been around long enough to understand that sometimes town does stupid stuff
sometimes mafia does stupid stuff too but its a different kind of stupid
i probably wouldnt do it in a fully open setup but ive been around long enough to understand that sometimes town does stupid stuff
sometimes mafia does stupid stuff too but its a different kind of stupid
The progression of my reign
me being kinged
Me thinking for a split second that we were gonna lynch confirmed scum
me once ness confessed and everyone started acting up
Me now. Ready to abdicate and remove my crown so I can go curse u all with voodoo tiktok magic
me being kinged
Me thinking for a split second that we were gonna lynch confirmed scum
me once ness confessed and everyone started acting up
Me now. Ready to abdicate and remove my crown so I can go curse u all with voodoo tiktok magic
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lynch the person celebrating christmas in july imo
lock wolf
lock wolf
