Geoni Epona
voltairenism Sidney Shawo Aerious Ace Marvel
Fleshy
guav@ N e s s
glow
bell account
unravel
This is my full read list, based on gut feeling? This day hasn't move much nor I have more to go from, since the Watcher outing is the most relevant.
Sidney can be mafia, and infant got no, but coaches. That is my spicy choice.
Geoni simply can be part of town after all this mess imo
Aerious vs Guava in my mind, I will keep Guav@
Unravel can go both ways, Shawo was wrong about Dino, so can be wrong about Unravel too.
Just for fun:
The weird paranoid theory that has no bases, but will be extremely funny if it happens: Epona, Ness, Shawo
Geoni Epona
voltairenism Sidney Shawo Aerious Ace Marvel
Fleshy
guav@ N e s s
glow
bell account
unravel
This is my full read list, based on gut feeling? This day hasn't move much nor I have more to go from, since the Watcher outing is the most relevant.
Sidney can be mafia, and infant got no, but coaches. That is my spicy choice.
Geoni simply can be part of town after all this mess imo
Aerious vs Guava in my mind, I will keep Guav@
Unravel can go both ways, Shawo was wrong about Dino, so can be wrong about Unravel too.
Just for fun:
The weird paranoid theory that has no bases, but will be extremely funny if it happens: Epona, Ness, Shawo
nah, not diverting. im fine with eliminating anyone from shawo/aerious/ness. i've made it clean but i just think aerious has been sus for longer and i dont think she's being very town and people have been sus of her for a while so.. it just makes sense.
it's actually the opposite of a solid point
while a watch result isnt the same reliability as a red check theres still nothing to talk about with an outed wolf. the only thing to wait for is shawo and the insistence to not hammer is either ingrained into culture or something else that i wont mention yet, or both
wanting to immediately eliminate shawo strictly based on ness’ claim instead of giving room for a discussion. even though our other pr claimed and ness retreated
i guess if, from my perspective, i have to assume suboptimal play from both sides, then there isnt really anything distinguishing town from wolf here
man ill just feel really bad if ness gets mislynched as town here im supposed to know when its town
forgot where it was mentioned, but it’s hilarious people are willing to sacrifice me (claimed vt) but not ness (another who claimed vt). also hopped immediately from “shawo is town” to “outed wolf” without wanting active discussion and blindly trusted ness’ claim
ness actively sacrificed our watcher, but people want to save him? that’s hilariously sad. epona, i already don’t trust your reasoning, but i truly don’t understand how you can’t see this unless you’re scum as well. i expected more from you than to sheep people who agree with your line of thought. if this is your scumplay, i’m genuinely shocked by how town is blindly townleaning you. if this is your townplay, idk what to say
i fully believe there’s a possibility of maf being divided on where i lie, and i think ness knows better than to scumlean me bc i turn around and question people who do. at this point, bell account trying to argue that ness made an awful point with an “outed wolf,” to lead elim asap, when it would’ve killed potential town, is mind numbing
unravel, guava, sidney, geoni, and ace have coasted this entire game
rn my scum team is bell account and ness for the w/w mini argument to separate themselves at the beginning of day. my third lies in the coasters. but at this point, epona flipping maf is entirely plausible. i expected more from your townplay, but i think that may have been me overestimating. go ahead and sacrifice someone who claimed vt off the bat and not the one who’s going to get our watcher rb’d and killed. our invest dying is going to lead to wifom and more than likely a loss for us.
ness wants to claim that he schemes as mafia, as if this couldn’t be a way to 1:1 for watcher to out and mafia having a better chance of winning. or an easy way for his scum partner to instill doubt in me and save ness as goon bc you sheep people/gain a townlean bias for those whose thinking aligns w yours
i want ness dead today. if he winds up vt, this play is the worst thing any town member could’ve done and is actively anti-town. our watcher is a dead man walking. if you think ness is a bigger loss than me bc you’re “not sure ://// ;_;,” i’m genuinely disappointed in your crit thinking
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also, ness is already biased against shawo. i had to prevent him as mafia in june maf from tunneling and droning on and on/picking a fight bc annoyance. this selfishness as town is disgustingly anti-town and i’m not willing to listen to any defenses. this could’ve been a cheap mafia attempt to out watcher and try to eliminate shawo asap w the reasoning bell account provided — two birds with one stone. an apology and ate isn’t enough for me to townlean someone who just screwed town over
Despite my earlier reads, I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum between Geoni and Sidney, either one or both. My reasons for townlocking Sidney early on were weak and I see that now.
I don't know how I feel about both Ness and Shawo, I partially believe Ness, but I'm reluctant to fully, he might just be doing a really good job as scum now.
I veto Shawo, Ness, Geoni, Sidney, unravel.
I'm aware my reads are truly all over the place and not much help, I've been busy today. I'll be reading and try to put out more concise reads by EOD, it'd be good if we could hit scum today as I'm already up to be killed tonight after my claim.
i'd lynch in ness/guava or both at the same time if possible.
ness is a liability at this rate even in the infinitesimal chance he's town, his ~claim logic~ is impossible to follow. i think he's just now just admitting defeat in that too with (spongebob meme, glow has good pts, etc) rather than arguing with my post even though it seemed like he was willing to die on the shawo hill? idk
guava is just mafia either way
i haven't seen any sort of development from guavas reads and i think they just echo the common scumreads. guava saying they're ok w/ a lynch on ness but if you read their progression:
listen im just trying to find the ways in which this is really town behavior. you play a fair amount of mafia so you... should know the downsides of your current strategy...???
im not too familiar with ur meta but from what geoni was saying early on abt u, u are savvy. i want to believe you're town but what you did doesn't really prove that you are, it gives more reasons for why you're mafia
guava is trying to give ness the benefit of the doubt but... why bring that assumption with ness?
why are u looking at ness from the pov where he's town and not aerious? guavas scumread on aerious is for the claim (correct me if i'm wrong) but aer didn't out TOWNS STRONGEST ROLE and also claimed? the entire post just reads disingenuous and its followed by picking the sr on aerious back up
i'd lynch in ness/guava or both at the same time if possible.
ness is a liability at this rate even in the infinitesimal chance he's town, his ~claim logic~ is impossible to follow. i think he's just now just admitting defeat in that too with (spongebob meme, glow has good pts, etc) rather than arguing with my post even though it seemed like he was willing to die on the shawo hill? idk
guava is just mafia either way
i haven't seen any sort of development from guavas reads and i think they just echo the common scumreads. guava saying they're ok w/ a lynch on ness but if you read their progression:
guava is trying to give ness the benefit of the doubt but... why bring that assumption with ness?
why are u looking at ness from the pov where he's town and not aerious? guavas scumread on aerious is for the claim (correct me if i'm wrong) but aer didn't out TOWNS STRONGEST ROLE and also claimed? the entire post just reads disingenuous and its followed by picking the sr on aerious back up
exactly. people can’t see beyond their own noses to understand i’m not foolish enough to play chaotically without intention. i strictly try to provide reaction tests/information to compare to for late game, and i say a lot of nonsense to see how people respond. i chose to out AS TOWNIE instead of killing off the most important role for town. there’s been loads of double standards thus far against me, and i can’t tell if inept town or mafia
glow, i love u so much. thank u for not being a sheep and actually having a brain to critically think
also want to point out guava in janitorial clinging onto the possibility of me being scum as uncc’d orc. it’s a terrible attempt as mafia to deflect, and i just can’t see her being this irrelevant as town
i don’t have the patience for it anymore bc some people are unable to critically think and have a bias against those w a different line of thought/approach. chaos =/= scum, especially if you’re not throwing our only town invest to the wolves. it’s low hanging fruit for those who have the inability to understand that playstyle =/= alignment. i would never play this way as scum
if ness doesn’t die today, i have no hope for town. either he’s vt who threw a game for ONE SCUMLEAN or he’s mafia trying to 1:1 watcher and have his scumteam deflect to me to save his life. his defense (i’m never going to play again if i die!!1) makes no sense because HE put HIMSELF and ALL OF TOWN in this predicament. our watcher is now dead unless doc/watcher plays this perfectly
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want to clarify that ace made himself low hanging fruit in june mafia strictly because of chaos. especially after the “welcome to the aerious wagon” infographic at start of day. quit allowing mafia to cling onto low hanging fruit and put your two brain cells to work gamers
it’s funny how everyone says I ~sacrificed~ the watcher when fleshy was the one who decided to out himself
why would I EVER do this as mafia when I know for an absolute fact that epona wouldn’t try to eliminate me if I just stayed quiet and didn’t do anything. Why does it make any kind of sense for me to figuratively trade myself as mafia when scum me would just trade a member that is obviously going down the drain this
yeah sure whatever I’m ~anti-town~ but I’m so absolutely sick of everyone blaming me for this when I already explained my line of reading like 50000000 times. If Fleshy hadn’t decided to say anything when I obviously wasn’t going to hold onto the watcher claim nobody would be saying this. It’s genuinely pissing me off and I don’t want to deal with it, if epona is going to kill me then just do already lol I’m going to listen to Aerious/glow/whoever spam this for another week and half
I mean really Aerious you are just completely misdirecting everything I would expect you to know about me to the point it’s revolting. It should speak volumes that literally everyone in the thread except for like Geoni has now hanged up on me for doing something stupid.
it’s funny how everyone says I ~sacrificed~ the watcher when fleshy was the one who decided to out himself
why would I EVER do this as mafia when I know for an absolute fact that epona wouldn’t try to eliminate me if I just stayed quiet and didn’t do anything. Why does it make any kind of sense for me to figuratively trade myself as mafia when scum me would just trade a member that is obviously going down the drain this
yeah sure whatever I’m ~anti-town~ but I’m so absolutely sick of everyone blaming me for this when I already explained my line of reading like 50000000 times. If Fleshy hadn’t decided to say anything when I obviously wasn’t going to hold onto the watcher claim nobody would be saying this. It’s genuinely pissing me off and I don’t want to deal with it, if epona is going to kill me then just do already lol I’m going to listen to Aerious/glow/whoever spam this for another week and half
I mean really Aerious you are just completely misdirecting everything I would expect you to know about me to the point it’s revolting. It should speak volumes that literally everyone in the thread except for like Geoni has now hanged up on me for doing something stupid.
girl pls be quiet. this is the worst defense i’ve ever had the displeasure of reading on mafia. either you’re town who willingly threw a game and now you’re trying to deflect blame fleshy for not allowing a potential town to die OR you’re mafia who took a risky play and was caught. you can’t genuinely pretend like you didn’t expect the person with the actual role to cc you after you pushed hard for shawo to die
anyways, ness shouldn’t be allowed to live regardless. either this is the worst anti-town play i’ve ever seen OR you’re mafia
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if you can’t understand how what you did was anti town, which youre incapable of realizing and it’s apparent from the messages of rebuttal, it makes me more inclined to believe that you’re mafia who made an oopsie and is now trying to cling onto dear life
epona, pls god don’t say i overestimated you as town again. ness needs to die today
this is the justification that i hate
i want to be better than blaming someone for killing them and not just shrug it off with "oh they played badly what can you do"
if ness is a wolf then thats what i lynch them for, not for misplaying
this is the only part of your post i care about your reading comprehension is still lacking so
saying you’re sorry isn’t enough accountability for someone actually town to take. threatening to not play mafia again for your own actions makes no sense. people are upset, with good reason, bc there’s a huge potential of our watcher dying. don’t appeal to me about what i know about you when i know as mafia you’re more than willing to write a post/pick an argument with shawo
this is the justification that i hate
i want to be better than blaming someone for killing them and not just shrug it off with "oh they played badly what can you do"
if ness is a wolf then thats what i lynch them for, not for misplaying
this is the only part of your post i care about your reading comprehension is still lacking so
just shut up and flip maf. this isn’t a misplay. this was a throw or a mafia play. your reasoning is so lackluster i truly believe you’re acting inept whether you flip maf or town
girl pls be quiet. this is the worst defense i’ve ever had the displeasure of reading on mafia. either you’re town who willingly threw a game and now you’re trying to deflect blame fleshy for not allowing a potential town to die OR you’re mafia who took a risky play and was caught. you can’t genuinely pretend like you didn’t expect the person with the actual role to cc you after you pushed hard for shawo to die
anyways, ness shouldn’t be allowed to live regardless. either this is the worst anti-town play i’ve ever seen OR you’re mafia
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if you can’t understand how what you did was anti town, which youre incapable of realizing and it’s apparent from the messages of rebuttal, it makes me more inclined to believe that you’re mafia who made an oopsie and is now trying to cling onto dear life
epona, pls god don’t say i overestimated you as town again. ness needs to die today
1. You don't get to condescend to me and threaten me to "be quiet" when you're the one who decided to claim in the first god damn hour of the game. You are honestly the biggest hypocrite of ANYONE here and I'm sick of it.
2. I. Already. Told You. I'm. SORRY. HOW HARD IS IT TO GIVE ME ANY SHRED OF DOUBT WHEN YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW I PLAY AS MAFIA.
3. I have nothing else to say I'm just unbelievably annoyed by you.
@glow I've already tried to make this abundantly clear, I made a mistake and I already apologized. I'm not a liability I'm just pissed, give me a bit and I'll get my thoughts out.
