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it would be really funny if I was kinged tomorrow tbh

from my pov I feel like that dog in the burning house saying "this is fine" except the fire is aerious/shawo/glow/whoever either telling me I threw or I'm anti town every few minutes
soz. sticking w/ my guns and i absolutely will apologize if i wind up wrong, but i can't see any townie doing this after the d1 debauchery
 
Trying to be objective

Aerious your play can be seen as anti town because it did not prevent what you were trying to avoid, so it can look calculated, therefore it raises questions.

Ness your play can be seen as anti town, because it force the watcher to claim, even if it wasn't your intention

Shawo you play can be seen as anti town, because it focus in your self preservation rather than the town's best interest

Now we are here, let's focus on helping Epona get a target.
 
Not that it's too helpful right now, but I'd like to quickly throw my current reads out there anyway, I can elaborate if it'd be helpful, but it'll just get lost in the mess that is D2. With only a few hours before EOD, @epona who are your candidates for elim?
Geoni
Epona
voltairenism
Sidney
Shawo
Aerious
Ace Marvel

Fleshy
guav@
N e s s
glow
bell account
unravel
 
soz. sticking w/ my guns and i absolutely will apologize if i wind up wrong, but i can't see any townie doing this after the d1 debauchery
Its fine I'm not going to care that much when the game eventually ends but if you switched roles with me I honestly do think you would have exploded in anger toward me at this point

I'm a bit more of a mellow guy but seriously Aerious you're making me feel like Toadsworthy made you feel in the last game
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I'm surprised people are nulling me since the devil in me just isn't feeling it anymore and wants to die, but I don't want to wuss out and force a replacement since geoni is probably taking like the only one dan has lol. I'll try and help out as best I can but the last 30 hours have given me instantaneous strokes the minute I start reading the recent posts

Anyway IDK who to eliminate anymore because I feel like my mind has gone blank so epona do whatever, someone within guav/aerious/shawo i'm fine with but I doubt you'll finalize within that pool.
 
Trying to be objective

Aerious your play can be seen as anti town because it did not prevent what you were trying to avoid, so it can look calculated, therefore it raises questions.

Ness your play can be seen as anti town, because it force the watcher to claim, even if it wasn't your intention

Shawo you play can be seen as anti town, because it focus in your self preservation rather than the town's best interest

Now we are here, let's focus on helping Epona get a target.
yes, i know. i made a mistake and shouldn't have, and i took accountability for it. i hope, at least, it confirmed why i wanted to try to avert this.

i'm okay with ness going. i don't like the deflection onto fleshy for trying to avoid shawo potentially being killed. a watcher doesn't have a choice but to claim to try and protect, and it completely disallows a future cc m/t IF ness flips town. as i've said 10 times, this game is going to be strictly wifom

Its fine I'm not going to care that much when the game eventually ends but if you switched roles with me I honestly do think you would have exploded in anger toward me at this point

I'm a bit more of a mellow guy but seriously Aerious you're making me feel like Toadsworthy made you feel in the last game
sorry about that ness. i'm not trying to make personal/pointed attacks, and i don't think badly of you, but i am trying to scumhunt. if i were in your shoes, i wouldn't have fakeclaimed watcher. not after my error and shawo claiming blue, especially not this soon into the game. you didn't read shawo trying to claim watcher, so it should've been avoided completely. i don't see any world where he falls for that even if he winds up scum. hero is a free role to claim because there's the potential of knocking out 2 town -- it's like orc, a ticking time bomb
 
Not that it's too helpful right now, but I'd like to quickly throw my current reads out there anyway, I can elaborate if it'd be helpful, but it'll just get lost in the mess that is D2. With only a few hours before EOD, @epona who are your candidates for elim?
Geoni
Epona
voltairenism
Sidney
Shawo
Aerious
Ace Marvel

Fleshy
guav@
N e s s
glow
bell account
unravel
do you have a case on guava?
 
Geoni's silence has pretty much made it impossible for me to get a read on him, and reading glow's wallpost about him it does leave a bad taste in my mouth that glow would say that he as trying to "pocket" Cake when I pretty much told her the same thing. I honestly do feel bad for him because this was the same situation that happened in Renaissance mafia where he was too quiet and everyone would gang up on him every time he was gone. It's also sad people seem to be suspicious of the ~good players~ just because they're capable of being scummy without anyone batting an eye so my heart goes out to him if Epona offs him and he's just town.

Bell Account defending me is odd and I'm not entirely sure what to make of it, I don't think that it's any attempt to pocket it me since theoretically I'm easily the biggest scapegoat to ever scape lol (please don't respond to this telling me I threw xoxo) but I would lean more on it being town behavior. It shows he's willing to look deeper into the thread and I can respect that.

I still think Shawo is pulling something but I doubt anyone here plans on ever thinking of taking him out. I'll reread him again but honestly it's just my gut telling me something is completely off.

glow should be reevaluated and guav has been flying under the radar. I said earlier that I thought unravel was town but it's more of a case that it's shawo/unravel can't be teamed together so idk. I do think it's out of character for unravel to be this quiet and reluctant to share thoughts; it's also worth looking into that mafia should have known that my watcher claim was BS since we know now that mafia selects individual members to send out; when i think about this longer unravel feigning doubt isn't a good look there.
 
geoni hasn't made a post in like two days so he'll be modkilled today right
 
do you have a case on guava?
Provided very little thought out content D1, remained pretty neutral on everything, didn't answer directed questions. Weak reads and lots of agreeing with others comes across coasty and attempting to please town, which granted isn't always AI, but still. Went very hard for Aerious for weak (IMO) reasons citing "valid reasons" which include and is limited to mentioning being town and creating chaos, also this;
nah, not diverting. im fine with eliminating anyone from shawo/aerious/ness. i've made it clean but i just think aerious has been sus for longer and i dont think she's being very town and people have been sus of her for a while so.. it just makes sense.
Other people being sus of someone shouldn't be 50% of your reasoning for having someone in your suggested lynchpool.

All in all guava has been quite quiet when it comes to actual reads and the like, they jumped on the discussion about/with Ness after I claimed, it was an easy time to get extra posts in but again it was nothing stand out. Along with my previous thoughts;
lol i just want this to be pinned at the start of any post i do.

can i just say that i find it interesting how hard ace is going on mafia mentality? i've not seen this from him before. he's thinking really hard abt why/what mafia is doing and pushing fairly hard that he's town.

also... people were going SO hard about "dont claim!!!! no don't claim!111!!!1!1!! stop claiming!!!" that.... everyone just let ace claim without much comment. just wanted to point that out.

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looking through mylifeiscake's posts and.. there was literally nothing to be sus about and that's just facts. she had a single page of posts at the end of D1 and hardly any of them were sus...? so.... ............. ..... who wants to answer for that?

@glow hi passionfruit, so if they're not aligned and we know dino was town... wanna revisit this?

I'm finding guava's posts increasingly questionable. The first point on Ace is at least slightly interesting and hasn't been mentioned, but everything else? Ace's 'claim' was discussed in detail, I was being scumread for even bringing it up, why bring it up now and not when it was being discussed?
Looking back at your posts you didn't have Cake on townread, hadn't even said anything about her, so you'd have as much to "answer" for there as anyone else not defending her, IMO. This, along with your forward question to glow seem, the word isn't coming to mind, but just stand out from the rest of your posts.
I'm not sure if I think you're scum, but your posts are reading as someone who's just being filled in with the main details and missing nearly everything else and reiterating safe points.
 
Ness isn't gonna flip town.
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guava/ness is good lynch that I am happy with.

that's all.
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Ace is for a future day once I come back to them they haven't really done anything any better than before but more ppl are scummy than them so I will come back later.
 
Ness isn't gonna flip town.
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guava/ness is good lynch that I am happy with.

that's all.
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Ace is for a future day once I come back to them they haven't really done anything any better than before but more ppl are scummy than them so I will come back later.
What would you say in thread Day 3 when I do flip town?
 
saw in my notifs ive been mentioned a few times, just moved countries so was super busy today but im here dw, just catching up on the last 2 pages
 
if ness winds up town, please for future reference everyone do not claim blue and pretend like you have info. it didn’t work with heyden as cop, it doesn’t work on tbt
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if you didn’t read shawo as watcher, you should’ve cc’d as hero. hero being out doesn’t stunt town bc it’s a role w the potential to kill 2 town members
 
if ness winds up town, please for future reference everyone do not claim blue and pretend like you have info. it didn’t work with heyden as cop, it doesn’t work on tbt
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if you didn’t read shawo as watcher, you should’ve cc’d as hero. hero being out doesn’t stunt town bc it’s a role w the potential to kill 2 town members
I'm just done talking to you about this man I wasn't going to claim hero
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Also

>for future reference don't claim blue
>says I should have claimed hero

lol
 
lazy iso because i’m on mobile


tmi?


wanting to immediately eliminate shawo strictly based on ness’ claim instead of giving room for a discussion. even though our other pr claimed and ness retreated


forgot where it was mentioned, but it’s hilarious people are willing to sacrifice me (claimed vt) but not ness (another who claimed vt). also hopped immediately from “shawo is town” to “outed wolf” without wanting active discussion and blindly trusted ness’ claim

ness actively sacrificed our watcher, but people want to save him? that’s hilariously sad. epona, i already don’t trust your reasoning, but i truly don’t understand how you can’t see this unless you’re scum as well. i expected more from you than to sheep people who agree with your line of thought. if this is your scumplay, i’m genuinely shocked by how town is blindly townleaning you. if this is your townplay, idk what to say

i fully believe there’s a possibility of maf being divided on where i lie, and i think ness knows better than to scumlean me bc i turn around and question people who do. at this point, bell account trying to argue that ness made an awful point with an “outed wolf,” to lead elim asap, when it would’ve killed potential town, is mind numbing

unravel, guava, sidney, geoni, and ace have coasted this entire game

rn my scum team is bell account and ness for the w/w mini argument to separate themselves at the beginning of day. my third lies in the coasters. but at this point, epona flipping maf is entirely plausible. i expected more from your townplay, but i think that may have been me overestimating. go ahead and sacrifice someone who claimed vt off the bat and not the one who’s going to get our watcher rb’d and killed. our invest dying is going to lead to wifom and more than likely a loss for us.

ness wants to claim that he schemes as mafia, as if this couldn’t be a way to 1:1 for watcher to out and mafia having a better chance of winning. or an easy way for his scum partner to instill doubt in me and save ness as goon bc you sheep people/gain a townlean bias for those whose thinking aligns w yours

i want ness dead today. if he winds up vt, this play is the worst thing any town member could’ve done and is actively anti-town. our watcher is a dead man walking. if you think ness is a bigger loss than me bc you’re “not sure ://// ;_;,” i’m genuinely disappointed in your crit thinking
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also, ness is already biased against shawo. i had to prevent him as mafia in june maf from tunneling and droning on and on/picking a fight bc annoyance. this selfishness as town is disgustingly anti-town and i’m not willing to listen to any defenses. this could’ve been a cheap mafia attempt to out watcher and try to eliminate shawo asap w the reasoning bell account provided — two birds with one stone. an apology and ate isn’t enough for me to townlean someone who just screwed town over

posting as i go bc we're close-ish to eod

this post is honestly rude and insulting to me so i'm not engaging with you basically just calling me stupid

as to the relevant points, i am not killing bell account today. ness is a possibility. so are you
 
Also that is some hella choppy wording you have there, "potential to kill 2 town members" like what?
 
posting as i go bc we're close-ish to eod

this post is honestly rude and insulting to me so i'm not engaging with you basically just calling me stupid

as to the relevant points, i am not killing bell account today. ness is a possibility. so are you
i’m not calling you stupid. i said the same thing to geoni, and i don’t think he’s stupid at all. me not agreeing w reasoning =/= me thinking you’re stupid

Also that is some hella choppy wording you have there, "potential to kill 2 town members" like what?
i always have choppy wording. it’s laziness, not ai
 
ness is a possibility.
can you just do it on the basis that I'm so done with everything now, I would replace out but I don't want to leave whoever it is with the hell of dealing with everyone hounding them the rest of the game
 
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