except there's been no flip, i've never said i stopped scumreading guava?? all d2 i said either you or guava were the best lynches and noted all the interactions that felt like intervention on your behalf.
also you've really not noticed that i have been trying to address my concerns with you hence my response to your post about shawo and my earlier post today.
Let's back up a little bit.
Explicitly saying "I'm considering ending day early and just killing Ness" is pretty much on par with saying "I 100% scumread this person and will not take anything else into consideration." Doesn't really help considering that when comparing your logic for why I'm scum over guava, it's that I was "admitting defeat" in less than a sentence, and for guava it is that she is "mafia either way" and you disliked the fact that she purposefully wasn't making any reads. Also funny how the only time you even consider mentioning or taking out guava this phase is when someone finally brings it to your attention.
We can go back and forth about whether or not you and guava are together for the next 8 hours idc, it's not like it matters since I'm powerless to influence an elimination on you. What I can do is that I can make it abundantly clear that there is hypocrisy in the fact that I'm somehow scummier than guava when based on your logic, she checks every box under your criteria. That's why I'm not going to let you kill me purely on the grounds of "info," because whether or not it's your intention I see an agenda here.
may i remind you of your scumread on shawo which you've only dropped because he's now dead town, which is really the only scumread i can remember (that you've made a point of) before me.
yes i just "tu quoque" fallacy'd your criticism of me but that's also because i just find it weird that you think me pointing out a wording slip on dead town is a reason for me being mafia.
Sorry shawo flipped town? You can't blame me for thinking he was lying about the PR claim. At the start of D2 I was thinking he was scummy because his visceral defense of Unravel felt like TMI, as epona had pointed out. I started to think he was just townie trying to bait out the mafia for the watcher to hit him after he blew up in my face and hardclaimed not watcher. That's why I started to back off. Don't really get why he was the kill last night unless it was just a straight up PR snipe.
The difference between me and your reasoning for cake is that... it bugs me that you think cake was "not towny in any way"
after her death, and the only point of reference you had to cake being the elimination was that it was a wording slip. I'm going to drop it either way for the time being.
it just feels like another chainsaw defending dead town when they weren't actually towny, and let's just nip the whole "newbs can't play towny" bud now, cos objectively i'd say Sidney has been pretty consistently town and is also new.
and if you assume volt/epona/hayden as town here, firstly what makes you think that?
implicitly ur saying scum is me/guava and someone in ace/Sidney/bell then. so 2nd question is do you scumread anyone in those three?
First off what is a chainsaw defense
Secondly, I see epona and heyden as town just because I think that they're easily the 2 people in the thread thinking the most objectively about people's alignments. They might have pocked me idk, but I have a hard time seeing either of them being pretty much the only people in thread to be putting in the most effort at this point. epona is more town then heyden, but it's whatever. Volt is very conditional; I only have them as town by PoE at this point.
My current worldview is a scumteam of you/Guava/sidney, or you can swap out bell/heyden into yours or sidney's slot. Upon reading the things posted in thread I'm no longer certain that you can say sidney is "consistently town" considering that she has been coasting most of the game, just popping in to say one or two vague things and then disappear for the rest of the phase. I think you really should reconsider just passing her off as "consistently town."
Ace could also be mafia but at this point idk what to think of him.
it just makes no sense to scumread me with guava. she wanted to discredit my read so badly that she omgus'd me in a rly empty flop read lmao
Not really. Distancing is a thing + guava has completely dropped all discussion about you. I don't think you can blame me for thinking it.
the reason i made the martyr comment is because you (and guava/epona) are all kind of singing the same tune, ~like idc lynch me~ as if that's beneficial to anyone here and not something to want or expect from town that is supposed to be playing to their wincon. i rly don't even know what picture you're talking about cos it was regarding your lines accepting/requesting death.
I've kinda stopped saying that? The only reason I was saying that at the end of D2 is because I genuinely wanted out lol I didn't want to deal with everyone just not listening to a word I have to say the rest of the game, it's pretty demoralizing when every single time you open the thread it's the same song and dance of "YOU THREW THE GAME" or "YOU ARE ANTI-TOWN" without so much as a chance to state my piece. Thankfully you don't seem to be that way even if you're scumreading me, so I'll give you that at least.
Also you explicitly said you thought I was "giving up" as scum because I posted a little picture of Jim off the Office.
my entire point was if you're town you are better off focusing on your objective (as you've now started on), which if you don't think you'll live you have all the more reason to TRY to accomplish all you can before that. i should NOT have had to ask you for your thoughts on other players besides someone who isn't getting lynched this phase (me).
Fair enough but I was going to post my thoughts anyway, take that as you will.
you calling me mafia just feels like you want to discredit me too, rather than trying to meet an objective for self preservation or for lynching mafia. it also feels like you were trying to intimidate me (which, yes, THAT will only make me dig my heels in) and also if you're town you're just setting the game up for failure if i lynch you and you flip green by calling for my subsequent lynch.
Dude I'm not going to be a simp just because you're the one in power here. "ohhh noooo glow pls don't eliminate me you're the most protown person here :0" I'm not going to say that lol. Sorry you feel as though I'm trying to intimidate you since that's not my intention; my point being is that I think guava is scum and I'm not going to go down without at least pointing out the inconsistency you've had in your scumlean of myself over her. Aerious gave you every opportunity to spin this as an "info-wagon" and I refuse to accept that as your primary reason to take me out at the end of all this. I've effectively now eliminated that line of logic for you to kill me on "info" alone, given that you scum! you (not saying you are scum here) can't hide behind that line of logic for not offing guava anymore.
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again with the discredit/intimidation card from a more ad hominem perspective. but in case you forgot, i initially townread geoni and wavered. i gave him every chance to engage with me and even stated in-game that i would think about what he's said while scumreading him. not really "me hyper focusing" considered i initially scumread mafia WITH him, (oath) and mostly changed my mind when he suddenly flipped from that read. he then decided to make a 'no contest' plea which presents nothing to change my mind. i don't owe you or geoni or anyone the benefit of the doubt. the burden falls on you once i make my points.
I'm sure you have your reasoning, but I'm not alone when I'm certain that others feel similarly about this in that you have a tendency to completely ignore/refuse to concede to any good points. I'm not going to get into that though because it's irrelevant now.
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i will say that i'm glad you're at least stating your thoughts even IF you think i'm not listening.
Likewise.
Anyway I want guava gone today I already talked about this.
@Heyden It's not OMGUS please read what I had to say earlier, guava has effectively done nothing this game and has purposefully been vague in all their posts.