Mafia Into the MarioVerse Kingmaker- Mafia Win!

Sorry glow, we made it impossible for you, like I said if you need me to claim I will.
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Heyden pushing and also Epona, actually my flip as town can bring some solving to the table.
 
except there's been no flip, i've never said i stopped scumreading guava?? all d2 i said either you or guava were the best lynches and noted all the interactions that felt like intervention on your behalf.

also you've really not noticed that i have been trying to address my concerns with you hence my response to your post about shawo and my earlier post today.

Let's back up a little bit.

Explicitly saying "I'm considering ending day early and just killing Ness" is pretty much on par with saying "I 100% scumread this person and will not take anything else into consideration." Doesn't really help considering that when comparing your logic for why I'm scum over guava, it's that I was "admitting defeat" in less than a sentence, and for guava it is that she is "mafia either way" and you disliked the fact that she purposefully wasn't making any reads. Also funny how the only time you even consider mentioning or taking out guava this phase is when someone finally brings it to your attention.

We can go back and forth about whether or not you and guava are together for the next 8 hours idc, it's not like it matters since I'm powerless to influence an elimination on you. What I can do is that I can make it abundantly clear that there is hypocrisy in the fact that I'm somehow scummier than guava when based on your logic, she checks every box under your criteria. That's why I'm not going to let you kill me purely on the grounds of "info," because whether or not it's your intention I see an agenda here.


may i remind you of your scumread on shawo which you've only dropped because he's now dead town, which is really the only scumread i can remember (that you've made a point of) before me.

yes i just "tu quoque" fallacy'd your criticism of me but that's also because i just find it weird that you think me pointing out a wording slip on dead town is a reason for me being mafia.

Sorry shawo flipped town? You can't blame me for thinking he was lying about the PR claim. At the start of D2 I was thinking he was scummy because his visceral defense of Unravel felt like TMI, as epona had pointed out. I started to think he was just townie trying to bait out the mafia for the watcher to hit him after he blew up in my face and hardclaimed not watcher. That's why I started to back off. Don't really get why he was the kill last night unless it was just a straight up PR snipe.

The difference between me and your reasoning for cake is that... it bugs me that you think cake was "not towny in any way" after her death, and the only point of reference you had to cake being the elimination was that it was a wording slip. I'm going to drop it either way for the time being.

it just feels like another chainsaw defending dead town when they weren't actually towny, and let's just nip the whole "newbs can't play towny" bud now, cos objectively i'd say Sidney has been pretty consistently town and is also new.

and if you assume volt/epona/hayden as town here, firstly what makes you think that?

implicitly ur saying scum is me/guava and someone in ace/Sidney/bell then. so 2nd question is do you scumread anyone in those three?

First off what is a chainsaw defense

Secondly, I see epona and heyden as town just because I think that they're easily the 2 people in the thread thinking the most objectively about people's alignments. They might have pocked me idk, but I have a hard time seeing either of them being pretty much the only people in thread to be putting in the most effort at this point. epona is more town then heyden, but it's whatever. Volt is very conditional; I only have them as town by PoE at this point.

My current worldview is a scumteam of you/Guava/sidney, or you can swap out bell/heyden into yours or sidney's slot. Upon reading the things posted in thread I'm no longer certain that you can say sidney is "consistently town" considering that she has been coasting most of the game, just popping in to say one or two vague things and then disappear for the rest of the phase. I think you really should reconsider just passing her off as "consistently town."

Ace could also be mafia but at this point idk what to think of him.



it just makes no sense to scumread me with guava. she wanted to discredit my read so badly that she omgus'd me in a rly empty flop read lmao

Not really. Distancing is a thing + guava has completely dropped all discussion about you. I don't think you can blame me for thinking it.


the reason i made the martyr comment is because you (and guava/epona) are all kind of singing the same tune, ~like idc lynch me~ as if that's beneficial to anyone here and not something to want or expect from town that is supposed to be playing to their wincon. i rly don't even know what picture you're talking about cos it was regarding your lines accepting/requesting death.

I've kinda stopped saying that? The only reason I was saying that at the end of D2 is because I genuinely wanted out lol I didn't want to deal with everyone just not listening to a word I have to say the rest of the game, it's pretty demoralizing when every single time you open the thread it's the same song and dance of "YOU THREW THE GAME" or "YOU ARE ANTI-TOWN" without so much as a chance to state my piece. Thankfully you don't seem to be that way even if you're scumreading me, so I'll give you that at least.

Also you explicitly said you thought I was "giving up" as scum because I posted a little picture of Jim off the Office.

my entire point was if you're town you are better off focusing on your objective (as you've now started on), which if you don't think you'll live you have all the more reason to TRY to accomplish all you can before that. i should NOT have had to ask you for your thoughts on other players besides someone who isn't getting lynched this phase (me).

Fair enough but I was going to post my thoughts anyway, take that as you will.

you calling me mafia just feels like you want to discredit me too, rather than trying to meet an objective for self preservation or for lynching mafia. it also feels like you were trying to intimidate me (which, yes, THAT will only make me dig my heels in) and also if you're town you're just setting the game up for failure if i lynch you and you flip green by calling for my subsequent lynch.

Dude I'm not going to be a simp just because you're the one in power here. "ohhh noooo glow pls don't eliminate me you're the most protown person here :0" I'm not going to say that lol. Sorry you feel as though I'm trying to intimidate you since that's not my intention; my point being is that I think guava is scum and I'm not going to go down without at least pointing out the inconsistency you've had in your scumlean of myself over her. Aerious gave you every opportunity to spin this as an "info-wagon" and I refuse to accept that as your primary reason to take me out at the end of all this. I've effectively now eliminated that line of logic for you to kill me on "info" alone, given that you scum! you (not saying you are scum here) can't hide behind that line of logic for not offing guava anymore.


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again with the discredit/intimidation card from a more ad hominem perspective. but in case you forgot, i initially townread geoni and wavered. i gave him every chance to engage with me and even stated in-game that i would think about what he's said while scumreading him. not really "me hyper focusing" considered i initially scumread mafia WITH him, (oath) and mostly changed my mind when he suddenly flipped from that read. he then decided to make a 'no contest' plea which presents nothing to change my mind. i don't owe you or geoni or anyone the benefit of the doubt. the burden falls on you once i make my points.

I'm sure you have your reasoning, but I'm not alone when I'm certain that others feel similarly about this in that you have a tendency to completely ignore/refuse to concede to any good points. I'm not going to get into that though because it's irrelevant now.

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i will say that i'm glad you're at least stating your thoughts even IF you think i'm not listening.

Likewise.

Anyway I want guava gone today I already talked about this. @Heyden It's not OMGUS please read what I had to say earlier, guava has effectively done nothing this game and has purposefully been vague in all their posts.
 
I don't think I want to see guava gone this phase
whatever glow is mafia idc if she kills me anymore

I can hardly wait to see Aerious/glow/whoever be like “zomg! Ness was town!! He was so anti-town with us watcher claim :0”

omgus glow
didn’t want guava gone yesterday and aided the detail to afk
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chainsaw is when you accuse the person who’s attacking someone else as an attempt to flip it

rly cheap mafia tactic
 
omgus glow
didn’t want guava gone yesterday and aided the detail to afk
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chainsaw is when you accuse the person who’s attacking someone else as an attempt to flip it

rly cheap mafia tactic
It wasn't omgus and I still don't really get it.

Also already told you that I didn't think guava was scum yesterday because I wasn't paying attention. We've been over this already.
 
It wasn't omgus and I still don't really get it.

Also already told you that I didn't think guava was scum yesterday because I wasn't paying attention. We've been over this already.
so after your watcher claim and derailing you quit paying attn? ok lol

pls just elim ness and end day
 
so after your watcher claim and derailing you quit paying attn? ok lol

pls just elim ness and end day
Didn't you just say you thought I was town? That sure didn't take long.

Way to completely ignore everything I just said and misrepresent it btw. You've done that a lot this game.
 
Didn't you just say you thought I was town? That sure didn't take long.

Way to completely ignore everything I just said and misrepresent it btw. You've done that a lot this game.
bc it’s gut feeling. i just said you called shawo doctor and tried to discredit him into doc dying next night. stars aligning w you being mafia more than town

anyways, pls kill him and end day 😙✌️
 
bc it’s gut feeling. i just said you called shawo doctor and tried to discredit him into doc dying next night. stars aligning w you being mafia more than town

anyways, pls kill him and end day 😙
lol what even...

Aerious I don't understand your brain in the slightest, where did I say shawo was doctor and "discredit" him, I said I scumleaned him.
 
lol what even...

Aerious I don't understand your brain in the slightest, where did I say shawo was doctor and "discredit" him, I said I scumleaned him.
you ruled out blues and mentioned the only possibility being him as doctor, trying to discredit him
then turns out he was doctor. i’m done posting until eod tho and hopefully glow hits scum 🤩
 
honestly i don't see any world where guava flips town
  • insta lock on me for low hanging fruit -- which happened janitorial when uncc'd orc and flailing doc claim to 1:1. attached onto the thought of dino v. me being t v. m and attached onto the thought of me throwing from this game
  • obvious scum play of contributing the most when sussed
  • very little contribution to game discussion, usually spam/one liners/latching herself onto the thoughts of others w/ +1 agreement
  • swap today from "you're willing to kill two townies?" and defending ness yesterday to scumreading ness
  • white text after complaint about white text by unravel softing role
pls don't make me iso specific statements

i don't think volt is mafia because dino died the day after volt SL

but this, with ness liking it, makes me confused what's going to happen. keeping in mind that mafia more than likely has a list of characters to fakeclaim


into shawo dying the next day bc the only logical pr role for him to be was doctor

i want ness killed for info at this point
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but i'd genuinely be ok with guava dying too. she should've yesterday
If this is the post you're referring to then I pretty much... explicitly said he... couldn't be doctor...

You said it yourself earlier that you also thought he was lying as PR. If anything the minimum I did was make it easier for scum to snipe him? I also don't understand how you went from "I'm also okay with guava dying" to suddenly back to me being 100% ez scum.

Could you please just make up your mind already
 
If this is the post you're referring to then I pretty much... explicitly said he... couldn't be doctor...

You said it yourself earlier that you also thought he was lying as PR. If anything the minimum I did was make it easier for scum to snipe him? I also don't understand how you went from "I'm also okay with guava dying" to suddenly back to me being 100% ez scum.

Could you please just make up your mind already
oh i’m at peace with either of you going but ur wasting time trying to appeal to me when i’m not king 🤩
 
See the other paragraph I wrote out right next to it pls and ty:

Easy to miss, but he just admitted he isn't doctor by saying he expected to have doctor on him. There's also that his mannerisms in general do not implicate this role, since I would have expected him to start making indications as to who he plans to protect; he has failed to do this by not making any coherent reads other than spamming "X is town" or "Y is mafia" or "I will do X if someone does Y." All his posts have a pattern if you look at them deeply enough.


oh i’m at peace with either of you going but ur wasting time trying to appeal to me when i’m not king 🤩

Don't really care about appealing to you. [removed]. Not going to accept silliness when I see it.
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That might have sounded a bit rude and I'm sorry, I'm just annoyed because I feel like I'm being unfairly represented here. I'll just drop it since I don't think there's anything left to be said.
 
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That might have sounded a bit rude and I'm sorry, I'm just annoyed because I feel like I'm being unfairly represented here. I'll just drop it since I don't think there's anything left to be said.
don’t apologize bc i went to dan, but yes ty for dropping it
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it absolutely was rude though :lemon:
 
iiiiiiiiiiii
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if byngo is even a lil caught up by any chance i would love to hear an outside perspective on ness / guava, i don't think i'm lynching outside those 2
 
My current worldview is a scumteam of you/Guava/sidney, or you can swap out bell/heyden into yours or sidney's slot. Upon reading the things posted in thread I'm no longer certain that you can say sidney is "consistently town" considering that she has been coasting most of the game, just popping in to say one or two vague things and then disappear for the rest of the phase. I think you really should reconsider just passing her off as "consistently town."

I’ve seen a couple posts that say something similar so:
I would say something like “I really am town” but I’m sure mafia would say the same thing anyways so that’s kind of pointless
I will claim if I have to but I’d still rather not today. I don’t think really been disappearing (???), I’ve been reading posts and catching up with the thread most of the game. I’m curious at to what exactly you’re referring to as being vague ? i haven’t responded to everything that’s been said about me and in response to my posts because it’s a bit hard to tell when you’re supposed to if you’re not directly asked but I’m fairly certain I’ve responded to everything that was directly asked of me


anyways, ness or guava today seems okay to me. Originally I said ness or aerious but I looked back in my notes again & I had guava down as suspicious in the case that aerious flips town and it seems fairly agreed upon for now that that slot is town so...


also, welcome byngo!

and good luck glow ✨
 
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