was waiting for her to answer my above question, which she has, so i'll say i think it's not AI. she hasn't played in a hot minute - i was in the same position in the last game and found it difficult in the beginning to gage whether the tone of the game was going to be a) meme-y or b) intense scrutiny of everything you post, simply bc i hadn't played forum mafia in years. think that's prob what happened here and she just didn't want to be sussed for what was obviously a joke
fwiw i didn't pick up on your 'so why are you lying' reply as a blatant joke
I guess to clarify, I shouldn't be playing forum mafia at work, but I saw you guys talking about mechanics so I came in, said my two pieces, and came back.
I opened it and now I feel obligated to reply. I won't be able 2 participate so if you think that's sus that's that.
I guess to clarify, I shouldn't be playing forum mafia at work, but I saw you guys talking about mechanics so I came in, said my two pieces, and came back.
I opened it and now I feel obligated to reply. I won't be able 2 participate so if you think that's sus that's that.
The reason you shouldn't assume it's any other mafia number is because.
If yo uplay like it's 5
You have to treat tmrw like it's the end of the game.
Which just sucks so much for reads.
if you play like it's 3.
You end up overconfident.
4 is just the number that makes the most sense, it's better to just agree on the number tha tmakes the most sense and be pleasantly surprised.
I think any arguments past the point of ML math is just bad 4 the game though, if anyone wants to make a post about why it's this number or that number just do KP math and say it makes more sense than like, an ml of ~3
tbh a whole lot of nothing happened by the time I came back, I was expecting pages.
But to everyone who's saying that the mechanics is a low-hanging fruit...
I agree. I wanted to get it out of the way right at the start because it didn't take a whole lot of effort and I thought it would be easy to say. I'm not saying that it's a basis for the reason I am town, but it's a decent amount of like, related effort or something.
It's not like I was trying to make some high effort posts.
Second. I voted Ace for no good reason, if you really want one it was because their image felt like mafia. Their reaction didn't really mean anything to me, but I'll bring it onto the second point.
There were a few players who said that my vote seemed to be indicative of scum, or whatever. Sure, but then the reason I voted toad was because I really disliked a few of the posts they made.
I'll post another after I collect the quotes so this isn't hard to read.
The first two quotes are the two things I read before I voted.
I think of note is the fact that there wasn't much of a discussion. if you think talking about mechanics is a low hanging fruit, so is the start of forum mafia games. There's not a whole lot interesting to go on, so often times you need to DO things to get a reaction.
I voted toad because they felt unnecessarily antagonistic in response to something you can clearly read as a joke. Yes I voted whatever-their-name was, with a sor. Did that look like a serious vote? Did it look like I was ready to death-tunnel them? Did the part where I said, "I apologized" not come out as a joke?
More realistically, this is the type of reaction that I would expect from someone looking for an easy push on something that isn't alignment indicative.
I believe I said multiple times not to talk about the setup, because I did ALL the important analysis. I mean, isn't it important to set a breakpoint where we all agree on the setup before moving on? This is something I consistently and will consistently do. This is only here because I'm unsure if toads is agreeing with me or trying to use this as some kind of other thing I did.
This is the second unnecessary post, this ones just a personal attack though. I mean, this one just reads like a strawman, if toad wants they're free to tell me at any point where I didn't have an honest conversation in my 6 mechanical post and 2 joke posts.
Also, this was in response to my sarcastic response to someone ELSEs post.
All in all, I think my vote on toads is justified given the circumstances, from before and after my vote. Due to the fact that they're... unnecessarily aggressive for my 6 posts.
However, I will say I really don't think this is enough for them to be mafia, but if day was ending right now I'd lynch them!
Shot in the dark, who is one person y'all think is mafia this game? I'm gonna put my gambling dice on Sensaigallade since I just got that feeling in my bones.
Also Daniel is giving me town vibes right now, usually he censors himself when he's scummy and I'm not picking up any of those vibes rn. Loth... whatever their name is I don't want to tab out also kinda pings me as new town off tone alone but that could easily change sooner or later.
@Damniel You keep asking people about the jokes between Aerious, Toadsworthy and epona on whether or not they're AI. Do you think they are or no? I can't tell if you're seeing something I'm not right now or if you're just testing the waters.
this reads like a slip lol, what do you mean the possibility we both are mafia? are you admitting to being mafia, which makes it unlikely that i am too bc we were scum together last time??
on the other hand i'm townleaning bianca bc scum!bianca doesn't make reads unless they are literally extracted from her by brute force
tbh a whole lot of nothing happened by the time I came back, I was expecting pages.
But to everyone who's saying that the mechanics is a low-hanging fruit...
I agree. I wanted to get it out of the way right at the start because it didn't take a whole lot of effort and I thought it would be easy to say. I'm not saying that it's a basis for the reason I am town, but it's a decent amount of like, related effort or something.
It's not like I was trying to make some high effort posts.
Second. I voted Ace for no good reason, if you really want one it was because their image felt like mafia. Their reaction didn't really mean anything to me, but I'll bring it onto the second point.
There were a few players who said that my vote seemed to be indicative of scum, or whatever. Sure, but then the reason I voted toad was because I really disliked a few of the posts they made.
I'll post another after I collect the quotes so this isn't hard to read.
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The first two quotes are the two things I read before I voted.
I think of note is the fact that there wasn't much of a discussion. if you think talking about mechanics is a low hanging fruit, so is the start of forum mafia games. There's not a whole lot interesting to go on, so often times you need to DO things to get a reaction.
I voted toad because they felt unnecessarily antagonistic in response to something you can clearly read as a joke. Yes I voted whatever-their-name was, with a sor. Did that look like a serious vote? Did it look like I was ready to death-tunnel them? Did the part where I said, "I apologized" not come out as a joke?
More realistically, this is the type of reaction that I would expect from someone looking for an easy push on something that isn't alignment indicative.
I believe I said multiple times not to talk about the setup, because I did ALL the important analysis. I mean, isn't it important to set a breakpoint where we all agree on the setup before moving on? This is something I consistently and will consistently do. This is only here because I'm unsure if toads is agreeing with me or trying to use this as some kind of other thing I did.
This is the second unnecessary post, this ones just a personal attack though. I mean, this one just reads like a strawman, if toad wants they're free to tell me at any point where I didn't have an honest conversation in my 6 mechanical post and 2 joke posts.
Also, this was in response to my sarcastic response to someone ELSEs post.
All in all, I think my vote on toads is justified given the circumstances, from before and after my vote. Due to the fact that they're... unnecessarily aggressive for my 6 posts.
However, I will say I really don't think this is enough for them to be mafia, but if day was ending right now I'd lynch them!
inclined to agree with the stuff about toads, i was pinged by the 'contribute to other discussions' think too bc toads at that point was also unwilling to contribute to other discussions lol
I believe I said multiple times not to talk about the setup, because I did ALL the important analysis. I mean, isn't it important to set a breakpoint where we all agree on the setup before moving on? This is something I consistently and will consistently do. This is only here because I'm unsure if toads is agreeing with me or trying to use this as some kind of other thing I did.
I guess as the kind of person I am, I wouldn't lie about mechanics for no reason, especially since it's such a low hanging fruit.
I do think I said at some point that if someone wanted to disagree they were free to do so with numbers, and obviously if someone sees something wrong with my post they should say so. But discussing potential roles here wasn't good, and the rest of the discussion barely had any depth in them.
also I'm the only person who cares about mechanics :/
1. My first issue with shawo was that all he did was enter into the game, start talking about stuff about mechanics... he threw out a vote on ace marvel and then said that they were going to leave. This was big red flag to me, hence why I proceeded to say "you wanna contribute on anything else" I was trying to see if he had any other thoughts. Yes I know it was early and it was probably a joke vote, but I think my track record shows that I don't let these people off the hook. And while this has been done in the past, the two of these together, exclusively talking about game set up and nothing else, stuck out to me more as odd.
2. I said we should all stop talking about set up as a joke, because you wanted to end that conversation prior, but then still continued to talk about it. We did get the new info about the KP from radical after you initially said it, but then in my opinion it still dragged on.
3. the honest conversation point was about how I asked you multiple times if you had any other input on actual people's reactions and posts, but you seemingly avoided it for posts like "I made a vote, oh noooo oh noooo"... you can imagine why I would be miffed when you are not even responding to my post and being antagonistic like Ness said. Which is also funny that you would say IM BEING ANTAGONISTIC, when I was just trying to see if you had thoughts on the people rather than coming in here, only talking about mechanics, then saying we should just stop. If you were making a sarcastic post to someone, then quote it.... I was trying to have a conversation and ask you questions and you just seemingly ignored it so the antagonistic posts seemed directed at me
I never once said I disagree with any of your actual analysis of numbers or anything like that. However I was expecting you to just say, its a joke vote and early. But instead now here we are... and you are giving a pretty defensive response right now too. Also if you want to be a "town leader" I'm not gonna fly with that when someone just wants to tout mechanics analysis and avoid someone asking them what else they think of the game.
This is all very early, but i do have shawo on my sus list at this point
this reads like a slip lol, what do you mean the possibility we both are mafia? are you admitting to being mafia, which makes it unlikely that i am too bc we were scum together last time??
on the other hand i'm townleaning bianca bc scum!bianca doesn't make reads unless they are literally extracted from her by brute force
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inclined to agree with the stuff about toads, i was pinged by the 'contribute to other discussions' think too bc toads at that point was also unwilling to contribute to other discussions lol
honestly I didn't see anything else as a red flag so far, I was thinking i do need to go back and read more, like aetherious's response since daniel didn't like it... but yeah once shawo started and wasn't even talking to me and avoiding answering my question I kinda got over it.
also I'm sorry, you are gonna get auto corrected to shawl at times and know its my autocorrect and not me being disrespectful
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in response to glow - I wasn't expecting an apology lol, it was moreso I thought Shawo was being irrational and wanted to see if they would come in today and say that yeah they were wrong last night for their vote. but apparently he wants to dig in his heels on it
I think my shawo interaction is being largely misconstrued and for some reason I'm being highlighted as antagonistic, when all of that was reaction to Shawo not answering my questions.
shawo said:
I'm just gonna end setup discussion there, at any point more than that we're just going to be arguing over random stuff.
so at this point shawo had 7 posts about game mechanics, I had previously been talking to aetherious about role-claiming, because he (sorry if wrong pronoun) brought it up. But I saw the vote and POLITELY asked if he had any other thoughts on the game.
shawo said:
I work
also I already apologized for my vote what else do u want from me.
I will do exactly what I want and you can decide whether or not that is sus.
I guess to clarify, I shouldn't be playing forum mafia at work, but I saw you guys talking about mechanics so I came in, said my two pieces, and came back.
I opened it and now I feel obligated to reply. I won't be able 2 participate so if you think that's sus that's that.
So I had asked about your thoughts on your vote, and anything else in the game and you just staunchly didn't answer it and proceeded to just try to kinda of AtE with work about why you did that. So naturally YEAH I would get kind of annoyed by this, and I was, but I maintained composure which is a little hard for me if you played with me before lol.
I also wish you had actually answered my questions... because nothing in your posts said you "apologized for your vote" I read your posts... and your blah response about your vote also made me think you were actually going to stick by it. I was expecting you to say like "it was a joke vote" but instead you almost tried to justify it which was weird. and because you didn't answer my actual question I was like... so are you just gonna stay on that?
Shawo said:
not 3 ppl for same reason as last game
if u do math 3 mafia is still super townsided + if any maf dies town has so many mls there's not even a point in trying.
The reason you shouldn't assume it's any other mafia number is because.
If yo uplay like it's 5
You have to treat tmrw like it's the end of the game.
Which just sucks so much for reads.
if you play like it's 3.
You end up overconfident.
4 is just the number that makes the most sense, it's better to just agree on the number tha tmakes the most sense and be pleasantly surprised.
I think any arguments past the point of ML math is just bad 4 the game though, if anyone wants to make a post about why it's this number or that number just do KP math and say it makes more sense than like, an ml of ~3
So at this point he had now voted on me. If you thought my posts so far were "aggressive" then you need some thicker skin because I just wanted some clarification on your erratic behavior. But for some reason that was enough to switch your vote for me...
I now find it really disturbing that you are trying to now say that I was antagonistic, when in the beginning of all this I was not rude, antagonistic, or patronizing.... YOU WERE. It is you trying to push a really bad case when the proof is not in the pudding. I'm sorry I didn't comment on anything else after this, but I was kinda over it after responses like this. Also you just clung to talking about mechanics throughout the whole time. Which as I said I don't disagree with anything you say about it, its just... I'm not gonna take that as contributions.
I rightfully did get a little more antagonistic at this point... because you had ignored 3 of my questions and were being spicy for no apparent reason to me.
Well if you were just gonna throw out votes you could’ve just said so, but just like my ex you seem to have trouble having an honest conversation
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Not AI given it’s you but just annoying and not really helpful
SO that is how it truly went down last night... for anyone thinking I was the one antagonistic this is the order all of our interaction happened. I'm also not gonna let him now cherry pick my posts to try to put some weird and dumb case on me.
could I have looked into other things going on, yes. But I went from trying to tell someone talking about role-claiming to stop, to questioning someone, to getting annoyed that he just didn't answer my questions.
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my agenda was me seeing two people trying to say I was defensive and antagonistic, when I was not defensive at all and only became antagonistic because of someone else's actions
so I thought showing the posts in order would let everyone see the truth.... so they can't cherry pick my posts like I said
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my agenda was me seeing two people trying to say I was defensive and antagonistic, when I was not defensive at all and only became antagonistic because of someone else's actions
so I thought showing the posts in order would let everyone see the truth.... so they can't cherry pick my posts like I said
Also, this was in response to my sarcastic response to someone ELSEs post.
All in all, I think my vote on toads is justified given the circumstances, from before and after my vote. Due to the fact that they're... unnecessarily aggressive for my 6 posts.
shawo’s entrance reads off as them being bold and will do what they want, but after being called out by several people it seems like they’ve put a censor on themself and feeling to need to explain so much of their behavior. not necessarily maf aligned but there’s a shift in tone here. i personally don’t think much about early votes since that just seems like a culture clash thing. but i’m curious on what your reads are outside of toads since that’s the only person you’ve really covered so far
this reads like a slip lol, what do you mean the possibility we both are mafia? are you admitting to being mafia, which makes it unlikely that i am too bc we were scum together last time??
on the other hand i'm townleaning bianca bc scum!bianca doesn't make reads unless they are literally extracted from her by brute force
i can see where you’re trying to go but i don’t really see it as a slip
i mean bianca made reads after i asked her what their thoughts were, so she technically didn’t provide them unprovoked. what do you think of the content of those reads because I don’t find they make much sense
Also if you want to be a "town leader" I'm not gonna fly with that when someone just wants to tout mechanics analysis and avoid someone asking them what else they think of the game.
i think this is a fair point. i don’t care much for the mechanics discussion since it’s just easy to do and won’t point anywhere really. but the post where shawo says “im going to end the discussion here” really sounds like he’s trying to command the discussion town has. if you want to switch topics, but talk about something else. i do like that toads is asking for from shawo since he doesn’t have much substance besides his post on toads
i can see where you’re trying to go but i don’t really see it as a slip
i mean bianca made reads after i asked her what their thoughts were, so she technically didn’t provide them unprovoked. what do you think of the content of those reads because I don’t find they make much sense
yeah i'm not placing any stock in it just mentioned it for full transparency
i'm in a unique position where i have extremely recent inside knowledge of bianca's scum playstyle lol, and i don't think she'd have been as forthcoming with making reads on individual players this early on in the game. geo and i basically had to bully her in scumchat to make reads, no matter how crappy, purely for her own self-preservation in the last game so it does strike me as different. i could be wrong obviously but it's just giving me an initial town impression from her
regarding the actual content of the reads they're pretty insubstantial and i'm not paying much attention to them either way bc they don't tell us anything
Oh you all kept talking about this post.... but I still don’t see anything aggressive about this? I was voicing my concerns and dictating what you were doing, and suggesting you get off talking about game mechanics and was interested in what you thought about anything else. If you wanna claim I’m not getting a joke or reading your sense of humor, and then say that this is aggressive.... then maybe don’t come flying into a game trying to tell people when to talk and stop talking about something.
