If I'm going to be honest Ace, the interactions between me toads and ness are the only thing I've done, I will admit your read on me was all but lack-luster but I think it's a bit disingenuous to admit that you don't want to deal with it and then try to read me otherwise.
Otherwise, I find your reads to be a bit... cryptic. You've all but said you have a gutread on a few users.
I think what I'm trying to say is.
It seems like you really struggled to describe the reasons why you townread and scumread people.
If I were to remove the names from some of these users, would anyone even be able to guess who I was talking about?
" it’s clear they went and read the thread with a mafia probably wouldn’t do. Jumps on my scum read, kinda, which is team play."
" As with all seasoned players, they know how to play and know others weaknesses, unless sure don’t jump into their logic so easily."
Townread
" Lots of questioning, pointing and solving, an active player and working with the team to get a wagon."
" I feel their reads are not theirs, but taken from everyone else, so this might look town but I feel something is just not right."
-Scumread
There were a few that stood out to me, but I did randomly choose them.
Also I think Toad's complimenting those reads for the formatting was also pretty sloppy.
Someone isn't town just cuz they have a nice post.
They were for everyone that find them useful, if you think they are cryptic, then sorry but is on you, I just spent 2 hours doing it and I said it a million time it's really hard for me to write things, that why I opted for boards, instead, I did try my best.
But if you want to know about any read in particular, ask away.
ok currently here's my PoE pool. This doesn't mean I townread everyone here but that it's not worth elimination today. I think those out of the pool are better worth re-examining later since there is contribution
Not voting for atm: Toads
Ness
Epona Feferily
Mayor Leaf
Teetering on taking out of my vote pool but need more time/posts to figure out where I stand:
Aerious
Ace
Shawo
Heyden
Has not convinced me to not vote for them yet:
Punchy
Pinkshade
Frogslime
Glow Sensai
Lothitine Bianca
Bolds are what I'm feeling the strongest about atm. For toads to get into two narrow discussions doesn't make much sense for me to see the scum motivation for that. Feferily is putting in good effort unprovoked so its a strong entrance. And Mayor had some good call outs earlier, but I really didn't like the RQS or tally. The RQS was unnecessary and the tally can be seen as trying to determine the most viable mislych, but the other posts are good. Ness and Epona need more evaluation but they've given enough that i think is fine for now
Ace and Shawo just seem like easy wagons to hop on and the nature around that makes me inclined to not given into that yet, plus I think post quality has increased so that's promising
Sensai I stated my thoughts on and Bianca I also am getting vibes of last game so I'm not feeling great on townreading her
I appreciate the sentiment but I feel like you've made an unfounded claim at the end.
Who do you want to lynch? I mean if anything, it would be easier for you to decide who you think is mafia amongst the people who have posted the most and come to a conclusion about who you would be comfortable lynching, and if you REALLY want to no lynch you need a very good reason why.
There's a few reasons why no lynching is really bad, but I'd rather you talked about why you want to do this so I can see what you were thinking, rather than you just throwing an idea out there.
I do think my end line is affected by the fact that I have no meta in regards to this game and only have spoken to Ace outside of this thread. I haven’t gotten a full scum reading on anybody just yet besides the slight leans I mentioned before and I’ll be writing a full read in awhile, hopefully once I’ve napped. And I only mentioned it as an option and not one we should take since I do know it’ll negatively affect town. I was thinking more with emotion at the end then I was with my brain I admit, aha. But yes, I hope it clears things up? I’m hoping to help add more input during this to help keep things rolling and I apologize if it isn’t always super helpful or wise.
But yeah, you’re right about Ace’s post in part that I think they’re a lot of town leans. I’m in a similar boat where I haven’t been able to fully read scum and I’ll be looking through again. Though I haven’t read as many people as town yet. Lots of nulls to me still.
I mean I said it already, but I don't want to hurt anyone, and I'll apologize for hurting people, but taking back things I have said when I meant them and probably will do them again is just something I can't say in earnest. I'd rather not apologize if it's not going to be genuine.
Also, Ace, did you misunderstand my post?
Why did you come into defense of someone else when I was asking them to elaborate on their opinion?
I was just pushing to get some more information out of them, but... I don't think "Remy was asking for a friend with that conclusion."
It really sounded like it was something they wanted, and I want to know why.
There's a few reasons why no lynching is really bad, but I'd rather you talked about why you want to do this so I can see what you were thinking, rather than you just throwing an idea out there.
I do think my end line is affected by the fact that I have no meta in regards to this game and only have spoken to Ace outside of this thread. I haven’t gotten a full scum reading on anybody just yet besides the slight leans I mentioned before and I’ll be writing a full read in awhile, hopefully once I’ve napped. And I only mentioned it as an option and not one we should take since I do know it’ll negatively affect town. I was thinking more with emotion at the end then I was with my brain I admit, aha. But yes, I hope it clears things up? I’m hoping to help add more input during this to help keep things rolling and I apologize if it isn’t always super helpful or wise.
But yeah, you’re right about Ace’s post in part that I think they’re a lot of town leans. I’m in a similar boat where I haven’t been able to fully read scum and I’ll be looking through again. Though I haven’t read as many people as town yet. Lots of nulls to me still.
I think a lot of people have complimented Ace's reads for being high-effort, but I really feel like the content is lackluster at times. It really feels Ace picked an overambitious format and just kinda penciled things in for some people.
Because of that the content of that post really isn't that good, so it might be best not to just compliment it because it's high effort, and instead direct it towards more useful discussion about the inside of the post (I say this because 4 people have talked about how good it looks! But only Daniel iirc made a comment about the contents.)
If anything, Ace just makes me uncomfortable, I've been refraining from making a specific read because it's not like they've done anything wrong, but their tone rubs me the wrong way.
Not that their post means they're mafia, just that I'd rather discuss the reads in it since Ace is a pretty heavy point of contention for a lot of people, and it might be the best way to decide on whether Ace is mafia or not?
I think holding a very new player like Ace to the expectations of a reads list ala Damniel, glow, or heyden isn't thesible. Hence why I try to look at the "why" would someone do this, while it can be misconstrued obviously, there can be some helpful bits in it. I said that I don't know why scum Ace would go through so much as to imagine what to worry about for each player being a scum.
Especially given how raw of an emotional person Ace tends to be, if they are faking all of that, I would be impressed. Just doesn't seem to be what they would do... honestly early reads like this mean nothing to me because they are unsubstantiated, but I do think scum would be acting certain ways in relation to things. Can someone do all of that to cloak their scumminess, yes... but not someone like Ace imo.
I think a lot of people have complimented Ace's reads for being high-effort, but I really feel like the content is lackluster at times. It really feels Ace picked an overambitious format and just kinda penciled things in for some people.
Because of that the content of that post really isn't that good, so it might be best not to just compliment it because it's high effort, and instead direct it towards more useful discussion about the inside of the post (I say this because 4 people have talked about how good it looks! But only Daniel iirc made a comment about the contents.)
If anything, Ace just makes me uncomfortable, I've been refraining from making a specific read because it's not like they've done anything wrong, but their tone rubs me the wrong way.
Not that their post means they're mafia, just that I'd rather discuss the reads in it since Ace is a pretty heavy point of contention for a lot of people, and it might be the best way to decide on whether Ace is mafia or not?
What you are not seeing is not that my reads are being compliment is the effort I put into them, and sorry again but lackluster, when more than half of your posts are stretch conversation that gave us pretty much nothing, make me a little annoyed you are calling my content lack luster.
If I'm just filler for you, ignore my comments and move to the ones you like, and yes I will admit I should be more helpful. But I won't accept that you take it on people complementing my effort, because that is not fair for anyone.
If you want to get your tunnel vision google, please do, but I'll put out mine.
I guess that's a valid reason, still not one that I like.
I will go ahead and make the complaint that I THINK you're reading something as AI that's NAI, just because you think Ace wouldn't do that, but I think your explanation helps me understand why you would see it that way.
I guess that's a valid reason, still not one that I like.
I will go ahead and make the complaint that I THINK you're reading something as AI that's NAI, just because you think Ace wouldn't do that, but I think your explanation helps me understand why you would see it that way.
What you are not seeing is not that my reads are being compliment is the effort I put into them, and sorry again but lackluster, when more than half of your posts are stretch conversation that gave us pretty much nothing, make me a little annoyed you are calling my content lack luster.
If I'm just filler for you, ignore my comments and move to the ones you like, and yes I will admit I should be more helpful. But I won't accept that you take it on people complementing my effort, because that is not fair for anyone.
If you want to get your tunnel vision google, please do, but I'll put out mine
I feel like you continue to misunderstand my post.
I was trying to draw people towards the content of your readspost, given the fact that you have made a lot of filler comments. Regardless of whether you think my comments don't add anything to the game, shouldn't mean that I can't give my opinion on how your content impacts the game?
Also what do you consider mafia is, what should I be doing if not analyzing the different posts people make in response to high effort posts?
People can play how they want, and I can also say that I dislike someones post for how they're playing, much like what you did to me?
If a post is bad I'll say so, it doesn't mean that I have an issue with the aesthetics with it, but that I think the post was bad from a TOWN perspective. Why should someone as town compliment the effort put into a post but not bother with the response to the content within it. If anything, I would be more offended by people not reading the content I put in it than by people who went out of their way to find faults within it.
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It was you @toadsworthy, I try to quote but sometimes I forget.
I think holding a very new player like Ace to the expectations of a reads list ala Damniel, glow, or heyden isn't thesible. Hence why I try to look at the "why" would someone do this, while it can be misconstrued obviously, there can be some helpful bits in it. I said that I don't know why scum Ace would go through so much as to imagine what to worry about for each player being a scum.
Especially given how raw of an emotional person Ace tends to be, if they are faking all of that, I would be impressed. Just doesn't seem to be what they would do... honestly early reads like this mean nothing to me because they are unsubstantiated, but I do think scum would be acting certain ways in relation to things. Can someone do all of that to cloak their scumminess, yes... but not someone like Ace imo.
i don't see this as feasible in the long run. judging people on past games/giving too many free passes is going to be our downfall as town. mafia's like poker, people change their tells. i've seen "meta" used too much as an excuse to believe it to be true with everyone
I think we should either vote for an outlier or have a vote to not cull somebody today. (Even though I think that might not be a good strategy for town.) I think things have gotten too muddled about some players.
As for powers, I need to fully read up on the possible options again since some slipped my mind. I’ll reread the thread so far and give a better take later.
i don't see this as feasible in the long run. judging people on past games/giving too many free passes is going to be our downfall as town. mafia's like poker, people change their tells. i've seen "meta" used too much as an excuse to believe it to be true with everyone
well when we don't have POE from eliminations, votes, and deaths like day 1, I'm gonna lean a little heavier on it to make my decision
I'm aware that psychology is a double edged sword and anyone can do whatever for whatever reason, but there is still some hallmarks imo of what a scum would be doing and I'm gonna look for it
I feel like you continue to misunderstand my post.
I was trying to draw people towards the content of your readspost, given the fact that you have made a lot of filler comments. Regardless of whether you think my comments don't add anything to the game, shouldn't mean that I can't give my opinion on how your content impacts the game?
Also what do you consider mafia is, what should I be doing if not analyzing the different posts people make in response to high effort posts?
People can play how they want, and I can also say that I dislike someones post for how they're playing, much like what you did to me?
If a post is bad I'll say so, it doesn't mean that I have an issue with the aesthetics with it, but that I think the post was bad from a TOWN perspective. Why should someone as town compliment the effort put into a post but not bother with the response to the content within it. If anything, I would be more offended by people not reading the content I put in it than by people who went out of their way to find faults within it.
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It was you @toadsworthy, I try to quote but sometimes I forget.
Fine and dandy, take it on me but not on others, I finally did the first thing some find productive, and you go after that! Can't relate in my play style.
So if you want to go one on one, fine by me, I can take it (meaning game wise, not personal) but don't bring others into this. that's it.
Don't ever make your post stronger by making others weaker, that is playing dirty in my book.
Say Ace your reads suck, but "I think a lot of people have complimented Ace's reads for being high-effort, but I really feel like the content is lackluster at times. It really feels Ace picked an overambitious format and just kinda penciled things in for some people." They can think what the want.
