Mafia June 2020 Mafia Game Thread [DAY 2 ENDS AT 6/20 5PM PST]

[Damniel]

i'm wondering why ace and toads are getting off scot-free rn

i feel like ace is one of the most scum read players rn so i’m not sure what you mean by this

i’d like to hear your thoughts on toads cuz i’m town reading him atm

 

[shawo]

i'm wondering why ace and toads are getting off scot-free rn. we have interaction between ness and shawo, ness is typing a post, so there's not much to discuss until then. ace has ignored my msg 3 times, idk what toads is doing


what reads? none seem to hold up/be enough to claim mafia. seemed like a waste imo

IIRC he posted 3 reads after I pointed out that it was a reaction. Whether those reads were genuine didn't really matter to me, but I remember thinking "Ok, those are the reads you got out of that."

Sometimes it's easy to misrepresent reads you get from a reaction you make, so I wouldn't blame Ace for having wrong reads because of that (if they were town.)

So because I think they could've done that as town, I'm more inclined to say it's NAI than anything else.

 

[Ace Marvel]

I'm going to my glow wagon, if anyone want to join it great, we have cold refreshments and mini sandwiches waiting for you!

 

[toadsworthy]

also i talked to my boyfriend and feel a lot more calm and less annoyed, so here I am

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I'm going to my glow wagon, if anyone want to join it great, we have cold refreshments and mini sandwiches waiting for you!

glow asked what you thought was defensive, if you would like to continue to just bop around and throw out accusations and wagons, then at least answer the person's question if you want some credibility

 

[shawo]

Also Aerious, you just made the same ridiculous claim that Ness did - but I think it's possible that it's because you've misrepresend the situation.

Do you think that just because the only conversation that's happening right now is between me and Ness it means that Toads/Ace are "getting off scott-free? Multiple people have claimed that they're scum-lean, most of them just aren't posting right now.

 

[Damniel]

Rather than asking me for my vague thoughts, if you just read the posts I've made in the game you'll see the things I have a strong opinion of one way or another because I post about it.

i mean i get that but when your reads don’t go much beyond ness i would see your other reads as the same leap in logic you’re saying ness is making rn. like you say in one sentence you think mayor leaf town and that is much more unexplained to me than the two ness posts you quote

 

[Ace Marvel]

also i talked to my boyfriend and feel a lot more calm and less annoyed, so here I am

Post automatically merged: Jun 16, 2020

glow asked what you thought was defensive, if you would like to continue to just bop around and throw out accusations and wagons, then at least answer the person's question if you want some credibility

I don't want any, I'm just gonna follow with my wagon.

I felt it with the OMGUS comment, I should know, I do it all the time.

 

[Damniel]

glow asked what you thought was defensive, if you would like to continue to just bop around and throw out accusations and wagons, then at least answer the person's question if you want some credibility

yea echoing this

 

[g u a v a]

The point I'm trying to make is, in my opinion this is a pretty damning piece of evidence that I think people are likely to agree with me on. Rather than "Oh shawo is mafia, if you don't agree than X." I would like to make the claim that Ness is mafia because the goal they're looking for isn't to find the mafia, but to get me lynched.

they want you to get lynched because you're mafia, therefore they're actively looking for mafia. you're acting scummy fmpov.

...talk about a false equivalency, yeesh.

If you're town then I'm sorry, but thinking I'm mafia just because I scumlean you is a pretty freaking massive leap to take lmfao.

i aded this to my quotes while reading but now i can't remember why. i'll come back to this if i remember.

Can we move on from the Shawo/Ness/Toads affair, one here is scum, according to the votes from MJ poll, so lets make a wagon, or me whatever, I'm just over this, it's taking us nowhere and it been going on for 20 pages.

ace bothers me this time around. he's not doing really much of anything and i can see how that's just his "playstyle" and "not AI" but... what townie benefits from all this added chaos/distraction?

does a shawo/ace team make sense?

 

[Biancasbotique]

Is heyden the one whos asking to be replaced? I havent heard from them

 

[glow]

is it too late for an RQS

if yes, this isn't an RQS it's just an friendly unsystematic interrogation quiz

1. what players do you know best on this table
2. what are your reads on them so far
3. do you think shawo and ness are both town? if not which is mafia?

 

[Damniel]

Is heyden the one whos asking to be replaced? I havent heard from them

idk who asked for the replacement but he did say hey. i thought he would be reading and posting thoughts but rip that

 

[epona]

Is heyden the one whos asking to be replaced? I havent heard from them

they posted a while ago, i think they're probably catching up on the thread atm


bianca, who would you eliminate today if you had to choose now, and why

 

[g u a v a]

i think the reason i lean scum on shawo is:

1. he set up from the beginning that he's an independent person and can (and WILL) be voicing their thoughts and leading analysis because it's "his style"
2. once he's set that up he's now trying to dismiss all susses on him with logic that's kinda hard to follow imo. i need to re-read them but they're still trying to appeal to town and flip the wagon to ness for some reason.

i don't really have much on ness however.

 

[shawo]

But Daniel, at no point did I say anything regarding other people's reads on Mayor Leaf.

I think I'll say this again but the reason I found an Issue with Ness's post was because he jumped from "shawo is scumlean" to (my interpretation) of "Shawo is 100% mafia" And when I asked him for the reasons why he jumped in two hours. He instead responded by saying "You're misrepresenting my words."

I don't think these two things are quite the same, and that's the reason why I said ness was mafia.

Should I have responded to your post by saying "oh well I didn't MEAN leaf was town, just townlean." Maybe there'd be the same issue.

Regardless, i'm not really sure how to describe it.

"I think their reaction to the things that have happened in the game are the most grounded."

or maybe...

"I like their tone a ton."

I would claim that they're probably the only person I townread rn.

 

[Aerious]

Sorry if this sound rude but I don't really care if you don't buy it, I already explain myself, if you don't want to believe it, that's okay, I already said why I did it, but we fake pretend I have other reasoning, if it helps you with your reads.

i haven't seen you give a legitimate answer beyond the fact that you dislike attention pointing away from you. you were also curious about why shawo voted you d1, and acted offended when he unvoted for you?

IIRC he posted 3 reads after I pointed out that it was a reaction. Whether those reads were genuine didn't really matter to me, but I remember thinking "Ok, those are the reads you got out of that."

Sometimes it's easy to misrepresent reads you get from a reaction you make, so I wouldn't blame Ace for having wrong reads because of that (if they were town.)

So because I think they could've done that as town, I'm more inclined to say it's NAI than anything else.

it could've been town or mafia. as town, it's confusing, erratic, and could've been a throw.

i feel like ace is one of the most scum read players rn so i’m not sure what you mean by this

i’d like to hear your thoughts on toads cuz i’m town reading him atm

i stated my thoughts as null. i'm not reading toads as town or mafia, but the discussion between shawo and toads was cut short earlier due to nonsense. i'd like to hear more about what they have to say

no one is getting off scot-free, its just a shift in discussion... honestly comments like that cause chaos. Either give comments attached to what you think are alignment indicative or question someone more specifically

shift in discussion shifted from you and shawo earlier. it's not chaos, now we're finally getting into the nitty gritty, i want to hear more. that's all

Also Aerious, you just made the same ridiculous claim that Ness did - but I think it's possible that it's because you've misrepresend the situation.

Do you think that just because the only conversation that's happening right now is between me and Ness it means that Toads/Ace are "getting off scott-free? Multiple people have claimed that they're scum-lean, most of them just aren't posting right now.

i don't mean it as in they're now confirmed town scot-free, i just wanted to hear more earlier and the convo was derailed. sorry for not explaining myself properly. ace is trying to derail the convo from actual **** back to the nonsense we had earlier where nothing was being accomplished. that's the point i'm trying to make. having these discussions are important

 

[Damniel]

is it too late for an RQS

if yes, this isn't an RQS it's just an friendly unsystematic interrogation quiz

1. what players do you know best on this table
2. what are your reads on them so far
3. do you think shawo and ness are both town? if not which is mafia?

what’s your answer on this. you know shawo off site right?

 

[Lothitine]

does a shawo/ace team make sense?

I definitely agree with the ppl saying that Shawo and Ace seem kinda sus

I definitely am thinking they are scum,,

To be honest,, I really dunno what to say but, yeah,, haha

 

[Ace Marvel]

does a shawo/ace team make sense?

maybe go for it. I don't really connect with Shawo way of stretching things for ages, but it would be interesting combination. But voting for me without a real reason, would be too obvious, even to try to pretend we are not mafia. So I don't think he is, just scared everyone is turning on him, and is trying really hard to point out that he is town. Which makes sense.

Is heyden the one whos asking to be replaced? I havent heard from them

They posted a hey a while ago.

 

[toadsworthy]

I don't want any, I'm just gonna follow with my wagon.

I felt it with the OMGUS comment, I should know, I do it all the time.

comments like that don't help town, if you actually want to improve on this game then acting like this is going to confuse us rather than present anything worth following towards a credible lynch... I don't think anyone should follow your wagon tbh, I think glow's posts read very genuine and while she can be a tough cookie to read I think it bodes well for now.

meanwhile, you slip more down my reads list. I know this will be greeted by a "i'm being scum read by everyone YAY" and again that isn't gonna make any good content. If you are going to be 90% un-inspired posts and not willing to interact then rethink your strategy because its chaotic and if you wanna continue to be chaotic you will lose it for us.