Mafia Lovers Mafia-Scum wins

[Antonio]

Hey guys, I've been sick recently. I'm back now.

@Dad, It's not that I'm not suspecting you, I just believe you weren't "fishing for reactions" from Ghost. I've been busy so I haven't got to everyone to question.

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I would like everyone to summarize this game in a list that goes person by person. I don't care if you have no opinion on them, each person has done something.... except rhino/me, but hopefully I can change that. IT also gives you something to do rather than keep poking each other with sticks. I'll explain once everyone actually does this.

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Also we need to be smart because I think if we mislynch today its a freaking wash

Sure thing, but let me go over the thread one more time. Before I do, could you summarize this game aswell? Asking us to do something and not doing it seems fishy already. Plus, if we could come up with reads...why can't you?

 

[toadsworthy]

Jesus, y'all had a whole day to do that and no one did. At least dad did, I guess Bianca kinda did?

 

[Biancasbotique]

I have townie vibes from Antonio and Toads (yes, you must read also to get reads)

I have mafia vibes from Ghostkid. He seems confused but he could be playing confused to appear townie

I am 50/50 on punchy, as he is characteristically both mafia and town

Dad is sussing on everyone which I think he does as mafia. He is not specific on one person this time (well except me)

I have a feeling though much stronger that it is Ghostkid/Dad combo

 

[toadsworthy]

Bianca.... you are just guessing I'm scum because rhino was silent? That's asinine. You have legit reasons for other people, but continue to vote me

 

[Biancasbotique]

Jesus, y'all had a whole day to do that and no one did. At least dad did, I guess Bianca kinda did?

are you doing one too?

 

[toadsworthy]

I have townie vibes from Antonio and Toads (yes, you must read also to get reads)

I have mafia vibes from Ghostkid. He seems confused but he could be playing confused to appear townie

I am 50/50 on punchy, as he is characteristically both mafia and town

Dad is sussing on everyone which I think he does as mafia. He is not specific on one person this time (well except me)

I have a feeling though much stronger that it is Ghostkid/Dad combo

Punchy is dead and town....

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My reads depend on people answering that question, I will write something up in just a little by that way we can see it and digest it before voting

 

[Biancasbotique]

Bianca.... you are just guessing I'm scum because rhino was silent? That's asinine. You have legit reasons for other people, but continue to vote me

I am going back and forth with you and Ghostkid and Punchy

If anything I don't see an Antonio/Dad combo

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Punchy is dead and town....

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My reads depend on people answering that question, I will write something up in just a little by that way we can see it and digest it before voting

oh thats right he's dead sorry!

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okay now I am kinda thinking about toads now. he seems not willing to make reads..making a condition that he will read based on what other's reads. It is like piggybacking off someone's idea and using it to strategize. I don't like it.

 

[Antonio]

Bianca | Scum-ish | Well, it doesn't feel like you are trying to figure out who is Town/Mafia by voting for someone "just incase they are the mafia newbie". How do you know there is a mafia newbie or not? You could also try posting your reads and acting upon on them, especially when every vote is vital and we have one more chance on finding out who Mafia is.

Dad | Null | I have never been good at reading you, so I'm not sure what to make out about your posts. However, I do know that Punchy throwing weird accusations that didn't make sense was off enough. He did flip Town though, so I don't know. Also, a game doesn't work if no one is active. Why does that reasoning come off as scummy?

Ghost | Null | Be more active, it's hard to get a sense of what you are aligned with if you don't post anything.

Toad| Town-ish | You are taking charge again, like last game. I have accepted that is just your usual Town gameplay but I just have one problem. You are asking us to do something but you aren't doing the same thing. Maybe if you posted your reads, I wouldn't as feel weird that you are asking for requests so you could "explain later" why we have to do it. Can you post your reads? Please?

Sorry for the late reply, College is just more important. I'll be voting Bianca this time around due to her choice to pick a person based off of chance (in terms of them being a mafia newb) rather then decisions based off their activity/content.

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Toad is Townish, I didn't realize that color was so white. :/

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Punchy is dead and town....

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My reads depend on people answering that question, I will write something up in just a little by that way we can see it and digest it before voting

So, you can't come up with something based on someone's activity/content but we have too? Can you atleast try?

 

[Ghostkid]

Bianca | Scum-ish | Well, it doesn't feel like you are trying to figure out who is Town/Mafia by voting for someone "just incase they are the mafia newbie". How do you know there is a mafia newbie or not? You could also try posting your reads and acting upon on them, especially when every vote is vital and we have one more chance on finding out who Mafia is.

Dad | Null | I have never been good at reading you, so I'm not sure what to make out about your posts. However, I do know that Punchy throwing weird accusations that didn't make sense was off enough. He did flip Town though, so I don't know. Also, a game doesn't work if no one is active. Why does that reasoning come off as scummy?

Ghost | Null | Be more active, it's hard to get a sense of what you are aligned with if you don't post anything.

Toad| Town-ish | You are taking charge again, like last game. I have accepted that is just your usual Town gameplay but I just have one problem. You are asking us to do something but you aren't doing the same thing. Maybe if you posted your reads, I wouldn't as feel weird that you are asking for requests so you could "explain later" why we have to do it. Can you post your reads? Please?

Sorry for the late reply, College is just more important. I'll be voting Bianca this time around due to her choice to pick a person based off of chance (in terms of them being a mafia newb) rather then decisions based off their activity/content.

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Toad is Townish, I didn't realize that color was so white. :/

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So, you can't come up with something based on someone's activity/content but we have too? Can you atleast try?

im trying as hard as i can i cant get a sense of anything with this game

 

[toadsworthy]

Lol you little brats, I also haven't been playing this for as long.... so if I wanna ask for some reads I'll damn well do what implease

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as much as bianca is scummy... her slip on punchy is not something she would do as scum. I hosted a game with scum bianca and she paid attention even if she didn't post much.

My gut instinct says ghosted is scum. The woe is me without posting is bothering me, and I feel like they are most likely. Partnered with Dad I could see because the interactions between them is just nonexistent, subconscious distancing due to partners. Thats what I was looking for in asking for reads and dad's read on her/him wasn't good enough. I could also honestly see ghost and bianca. I don't believe antonio is scum? They feel to be doing the most town-wise, and I wouldn't expect that good of a play from them, especially with how quiet it is. I feel like they would be more likely to just let things go rather than start conversation.

My best pick is ghost and dad, ghost more likely

 

[Antonio]

Lol you little brats, I also haven't been playing this for as long.... so if I wanna ask for some reads I'll damn well do what implease

Why the **** are you calling us little brats? Why can't you read the damn thread like everyone else and make judgments based on that? Or do you want to see what everyone is sussing and follow along with that? You can ask for reads all you want but you not trying to provide reads isn't quite hypocritical on your part...

You don't have to be mean about it either. :/

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Oh, he posted again with reads. I should've waited. Sorry toad :c

 

[Geoni]

I have townie vibes from Antonio and Toads (yes, you must read also to get reads)

I have mafia vibes from Ghostkid. He seems confused but he could be playing confused to appear townie

I am 50/50 on punchy, as he is characteristically both mafia and town

Dad is sussing on everyone which I think he does as mafia. He is not specific on one person this time (well except me)

I have a feeling though much stronger that it is Ghostkid/Dad combo

Bianca is howling good good.

You keep saying that I am 'sussing everyone' when you have played enough games with me when I am town to know I tend to heavily question most of the players in a game or try to consider that there's scum motive behind one post or another but towards end of day and that's what I have done here. To say I don't do this as town is making a pushy blanket statement in order to seem like you trying to solve the game after you were called out for lacking your usual slow accumulation of a PoE I'm used to seeing.

Explain your town reads btw.

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And explain why Ghostkid's is only acting confused. Personally I get the vibe that he's tired IRL or something and some stuff from Antonio is the reason. Ghost is not in my top two but you throwing easy sus at Ghost alone makes me feel better about him.

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Also I'm torn on how Bianca was still reading Punchy because if she is mafia that's a decent fake dumbtell.

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Bianca | Scum-ish | Well, it doesn't feel like you are trying to figure out who is Town/Mafia by voting for someone "just incase they are the mafia newbie". How do you know there is a mafia newbie or not? You could also try posting your reads and acting upon on them, especially when every vote is vital and we have one more chance on finding out who Mafia is.

Dad | Null | I have never been good at reading you, so I'm not sure what to make out about your posts. However, I do know that Punchy throwing weird accusations that didn't make sense was off enough. He did flip Town though, so I don't know. Also, a game doesn't work if no one is active. Why does that reasoning come off as scummy?

Ghost | Null | Be more active, it's hard to get a sense of what you are aligned with if you don't post anything.

Toad| Town-ish | You are taking charge again, like last game. I have accepted that is just your usual Town gameplay but I just have one problem. You are asking us to do something but you aren't doing the same thing. Maybe if you posted your reads, I wouldn't as feel weird that you are asking for requests so you could "explain later" why we have to do it. Can you post your reads? Please?

Sorry for the late reply, College is just more important. I'll be voting Bianca this time around due to her choice to pick a person based off of chance (in terms of them being a mafia newb) rather then decisions based off their activity/content.

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Toad is Townish, I didn't realize that color was so white. :/

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So, you can't come up with something based on someone's activity/content but we have too? Can you atleast try?

Really my biggest uneasy feeling about you comes from how you kind of avoided questioning me much until this post and yet you questioned everyone else and I can see you wanting to avoid conflict with me after seeing how demanding that can get. As for 'a game doesn't work if nobody is active' ... actually, it makes it easier to coast as mafia if anything, and I don't think you would mind it as mafia which is why it came off as a weird answer, because it felt like you were saying it to seem like you wanted respect as a player for being all 'if I am mafia I at least want a challenge', it's just an out of character response to me.

Your toads read is similar to mine and you also align against Bianca so it shakes up my partnership read here so I'm going to have to re-evaluate.

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Btw Antonio what do you think about Bianca reading Punchy after he died? If you are voting her you need to explain this away.

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I am going back and forth with you and Ghostkid and Punchy

If anything I don't see an Antonio/Dad combo

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oh thats right he's dead sorry!

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okay now I am kinda thinking about toads now. he seems not willing to make reads..making a condition that he will read based on what other's reads. It is like piggybacking off someone's idea and using it to strategize. I don't like it.

Bianca doesn't align with Toads to well here either.

In fact if Bianca is paired with the toads slot it is bold mafia play if they have been partnered considering partners are lovers, you don't want to bus here. That being said Toads is plenty defensive of Bianca on his side so that would make up for in thread antialignment from her.

I don't completely disagree with Bianca's thoughts about Toads here either.

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im trying as hard as i can i cant get a sense of anything with this game

Try and order people from least to most suspicious, you haven't even shown that you are trying so we can't just take your word for it.

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Lol you little brats, I also haven't been playing this for as long.... so if I wanna ask for some reads I'll damn well do what implease

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as much as bianca is scummy... her slip on punchy is not something she would do as scum. I hosted a game with scum bianca and she paid attention even if she didn't post much.

My gut instinct says ghosted is scum. The woe is me without posting is bothering me, and I feel like they are most likely. Partnered with Dad I could see because the interactions between them is just nonexistent, subconscious distancing due to partners. Thats what I was looking for in asking for reads and dad's read on her/him wasn't good enough. I could also honestly see ghost and bianca. I don't believe antonio is scum? They feel to be doing the most town-wise, and I wouldn't expect that good of a play from them, especially with how quiet it is. I feel like they would be more likely to just let things go rather than start conversation.

My best pick is ghost and dad, ghost more likely

Toads could you expand on two things here:

Your overall thoughts on the Antonio slot.

And why you can 'honestly see Ghost and Bianca's, particularly because you seemed to townread Bianca over a dumbtell that says 'townslip' for you. Said townslip has nothing to do with Ghost either.

 

[toadsworthy]

boi
I said it was a slip.... I didn't say it was a township, because I hate that term. I then backed it up with meta. Townslips to me are like, automatically clear someone and thats not what this is or what I said.

Antonio feels the most genuine tbh, like I said if he is faking all of it, its good enough for me to not look further into it in a game this insignificant. Wasn't it Jtheburger before it? did he even participate besides signing up? No he didn't I paused to check.... is that telling of anything, no

I explained the bianca and why I think she's town for it. It doesn't have to deal with ghost directly, their interactions are distant and Bianca even lays into Ghost at one point and then doesn't vote him/her. Hence why I believe they could be together, but this is less likely due to the other evidence.

So Antonio is my strongest town read, then bianca, then you, then ghost..... hence why I voted for ghost. Everyone seems to be letting him off the hook. Bianca very well could be since she is voting for me based on the exact same thing as ghost, but thats irrelevant when we just need to lynch one of the scum right now.

 

[Geoni]

If you don't want to call it a townslip you have to at least call it a towntell bbased on how it seems to inform your own reads. Bianca and ghost being a consideration despite how you read that situation seemed random to me which is why I questioned it at the time. Bianca has technically layed into and didn't vote me.

My concern with Ghost at this point is that he is veering into LHF territory since it's understandable not to like him based on continued lack of contribution and lack of a good excuse, he's acted this way -somewhat- as town in larger games like Call Ships to Port but in that game he at least started to figure things out, and he at least did to an extent there, and that was a much harder game than this one. Ironically as much as I questioned you over it the only partner potential with Ghost fmpov is Bianca because other slots wouldn't vote their partner here.

As for Antonio you continue not to really expand on why you are townreading him here. What is it you don't see him faking here? Also if JT being the original person in Antonio's slot isn't telling of anything then why bring it up? Makes that paragraph's tone really jarring for me.

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I still have a feeling that Rhino is mafia so I am voting toads for this rounds. I am also looking at Ghostkid and Antonio for not voting the cycle. They could be hiding as mafia. Dad is suspicious because he is very active at sussing when he is mafia. Punchy seems his townie self.

So far the only townie is me.

This is where the lack of awareness about Punchy comes up for me and it's pretty jarring. The thing that throws me off is that she is attentive and aware enough to know who didn't vote during the last phase and yet wasn't attentive enough to recognize that Punchy was lynched, so there's a selective attention here. But at the end of the day it's one of those things that if mafia shows a severe lack of awareness of the path to winning, as mafia you look to make sure town was lynched because if your partner was lynched between the time you left the thread and the time you returned you'd want to know if you lost or not or are still in the process of getting a mafia victory. If I'm fooled then I'm fooled but I am going to conclude Bianca is town over this moment. I don't normally like to have a micro read I override a macro scumread to push them out of the PoE but there's little opportunity to build PoE here.

Bianca doesn't align with Toads most prominently even when that slot was Rhino.

Antonio doesn't align well with Bianca since EoD1 and most of D2.

Ghost hasn't taken a stance against anyone but Antonio and Toads have both taken a stance against him.

This leaves partner potentials fmpov to be

Antonio/Toads

And Bianca/Ghost.

I also just noticed that Antonio started to go harder on Punchy towards the end of that day ever since I started pushing Punchy so it wasn't a risky wagon to jump on and I stand by my concern that Ghost could be LHF here so Antonio remains pretty sus here and Toads having a very vague townread if Antonio here puts more equity in the Toads/Antonio partnership than Ghost/Bianca partnership. Antonio remaining sus of Bianca while his partner townreading her? Okay, that's a differing in thread stance so I'm unsure about why they aren't banding together yet and Antonio hasn't voteswitch to Ghost because this is lylo and you want the first majority since who knows if Ghost will show up and vote in the next hour.

I'm going to place my vote on Toads for that reason.

 

[Antonio]

Btw Antonio what do you think about Bianca reading Punchy after he died? If you are voting her you need to explain this away.


I really think it was a mistake, to be honest. Nothing too serious. I was actually gonna post reads on Punchy aswell but I realized he was lynched during day 1, so I removed that bit.

 

[Geoni]

Btw Antonio what do you think about Bianca reading Punchy after he died? If you are voting her you need to explain this away.


I really think it was a mistake, to be honest. Nothing too serious. I was actually gonna post reads on Punchy aswell but I realized he was lynched during day 1, so I removed that bit.

So you don't think that moment shows alignment?

I've come to the conclusion that in the least, if Bianca was scum here, it demonstrated a lack of focus on the mafia win condition which is why I've concluded what I have. I know the risk I'm running here is that if she is mafia it could just be a legitimate lack of focus even when scum or she's actually made the clever move of faking a derpclearish moment in which case she deserves the win but if it was genuine lack of focus I'm gonna feel bad for handing it to her the moment I Unvoted.

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This game has turned out to be trickier than I expected.

 

[Antonio]

So you don't think that moment shows alignment?

I've come to the conclusion that in the least, if Bianca was scum here, it demonstrated a lack of focus on the mafia win condition which is why I've concluded what I have. I know the risk I'm running here is that if she is mafia it could just be a legitimate lack of focus even when scum or she's actually made the clever move of faking a derpclearish moment in which case she deserves the win but if it was genuine lack of focus I'm gonna feel bad for handing it to her the moment I Unvoted.

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This game has turned out to be trickier than I expected.

I don't really think it shows anything. However, I think her decision to vote for Toad because JT (who he replaced) is a newbie mafia was really scummy. It feels that the decision was based on chance or "let's see what happened" rather than what the user has done (which in this case, was nothing at the time of the vote). Even with a replacement, she still sticks with her vote even though this round is extremely important. However, she changed her vote back and forth but it's still on Toad so I'm not 100% sure.

I think Toad has become a little scummy as well. He takes control of the game like in the previous game and demands we provide reads so he could base his opinions on our reads. Eventually, he does change his mind and provide reads but not before calling us "brats", which annoyed me.

However, I think Bianca is the scummiest out of all of us but I do have my doubts. You are right, this game is tricker from previous games.

 

[Geoni]

Also Toads you said 'the interaction between Dad and Ghost is almost non-existent' and used that to argue this was subconscious distancing but I looked back through the thread and here's why that's BS and pushy: I'm actually the only one who has interacted back and forth with Ghost in this game directly. Others have spoken about him but not to him. Not only that but I actually had interaction twice in thread and in my tier list I brought up everything I possibly could and made a determination off it so if anything you should argue that my distancing is in the -stance- and not the amount of interaction, and there's nothing subconscious about that if I were scum and that's actually what I was doing.

 

[Ghostkid]

i still dont have any idea who could be at this point im voting myself tho toads has been acting a bit aggressive this game

 

[Antonio]

i still dont have any idea who could be at this point im voting myself tho toads has been acting a bit aggressive this game

So, why not vote for Toad? Your vote matters and voting for yourself isn't gonna help Town.