Mafia Lovers Mafia-Scum wins

[toadsworthy]

wtf ghost just voted for themselves?

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lol I came in here and actually got something out of you all and you scum read me....

sorry not sorry for giving you distinct reads and sticking with them

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If you don't want to call it a townslip you have to at least call it a towntell bbased on how it seems to inform your own reads. Bianca and ghost being a consideration despite how you read that situation seemed random to me which is why I questioned it at the time. Bianca has technically layed into and didn't vote me.

My concern with Ghost at this point is that he is veering into LHF territory since it's understandable not to like him based on continued lack of contribution and lack of a good excuse, he's acted this way -somewhat- as town in larger games like Call Ships to Port but in that game he at least started to figure things out, and he at least did to an extent there, and that was a much harder game than this one. Ironically as much as I questioned you over it the only partner potential with Ghost fmpov is Bianca because other slots wouldn't vote their partner here.

As for Antonio you continue not to really expand on why you are townreading him here. What is it you don't see him faking here? Also if JT being the original person in Antonio's slot isn't telling of anything then why bring it up? Makes that paragraph's tone really jarring for me.

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This is where the lack of awareness about Punchy comes up for me and it's pretty jarring. The thing that throws me off is that she is attentive and aware enough to know who didn't vote during the last phase and yet wasn't attentive enough to recognize that Punchy was lynched, so there's a selective attention here. But at the end of the day it's one of those things that if mafia shows a severe lack of awareness of the path to winning, as mafia you look to make sure town was lynched because if your partner was lynched between the time you left the thread and the time you returned you'd want to know if you lost or not or are still in the process of getting a mafia victory. If I'm fooled then I'm fooled but I am going to conclude Bianca is town over this moment. I don't normally like to have a micro read I override a macro scumread to push them out of the PoE but there's little opportunity to build PoE here.

Bianca doesn't align with Toads most prominently even when that slot was Rhino.

Antonio doesn't align well with Bianca since EoD1 and most of D2.

Ghost hasn't taken a stance against anyone but Antonio and Toads have both taken a stance against him.

This leaves partner potentials fmpov to be

Antonio/Toads

And Bianca/Ghost.

I also just noticed that Antonio started to go harder on Punchy towards the end of that day ever since I started pushing Punchy so it wasn't a risky wagon to jump on and I stand by my concern that Ghost could be LHF here so Antonio remains pretty sus here and Toads having a very vague townread if Antonio here puts more equity in the Toads/Antonio partnership than Ghost/Bianca partnership. Antonio remaining sus of Bianca while his partner townreading her? Okay, that's a differing in thread stance so I'm unsure about why they aren't banding together yet and Antonio hasn't voteswitch to Ghost because this is lylo and you want the first majority since who knows if Ghost will show up and vote in the next hour.

I'm going to place my vote on Toads for that reason.

where the **** was all this like two hours ago

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i still dont have any idea who could be at this point im voting myself tho toads has been acting a bit aggressive this game

beech I'm always like this, when will you all learn

 

[Geoni]

Don't self vote here Ghost. If you're town then it's game throwing because it's lylo and you know you are town. If you are mafia then it's game throwing because your death leads to your partner's death. If you want to give up you should in the least just not vote, and if you want to play for your win condition then vote someone who isn't yourself.

I know this will just come off as pushing my wagon but if you feel confirmed that toads is aggressive in a bad way then vote him, not yourself.

 

[toadsworthy]

As for Antonio you continue not to really expand on why you are townreading him here. What is it you don't see him faking here? Also if JT being the original person in Antonio's slot isn't telling of anything then why bring it up? Makes that paragraph's tone really jarring for me.

You asked me what I thought of the antonio slot as a whole.... so I brought it up

 

[Geoni]

I don't really think it shows anything. However, I think her decision to vote for Toad because JT (who he replaced) is a newbie mafia was really scummy. It feels that the decision was based on chance or "let's see what happened" rather than what the user has done (which in this case, was nothing at the time of the vote). Even with a replacement, she still sticks with her vote even though this round is extremely important. However, she changed her vote back and forth but it's still on Toad so I'm not 100% sure.

I think Toad has become a little scummy as well. He takes control of the game like in the previous game and demands we provide reads so he could base his opinions on our reads. Eventually, he does change his mind and provide reads but not before calling us "brats", which annoyed me.

However, I think Bianca is the scummiest out of all of us but I do have my doubts. You are right, this game is tricker from previous games.

Who do you think Bianca's partner could be if you still think she's scum? Ghost or Toads? If you think Toads, what do you think about Bianca being against her partner all game?

 

[toadsworthy]

Don't self vote here Ghost. If you're town then it's game throwing because it's lylo and you know you are town. If you are mafia then it's game throwing because your death leads to your partner's death. If you want to give up you should in the least just not vote, and if you want to play for your win condition then vote someone who isn't yourself.

I know this will just come off as pushing my wagon but if you feel confirmed that toads is aggressive in a bad way then vote him, not yourself.

are you scum trying to push all the votes last second on me? because honestly thats what all of this looks like

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Yo, is it dad and bianca?

 

[Antonio]

Who do you think Bianca's partner could be if you still think she's scum? Ghost or Toads? If you think Toads, what do you think about Bianca being against her partner all game?

Well, I'm not sure to be honest. Bianca also scummed read Ghost so it's not like it has just beed Toad.

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been*

 

[toadsworthy]

Ghost is cognizant not to vote themselves if they were scum.... its not him/her, I'd be really surprised if its Antonio and Dad is working his ass off right now to get votes off bianca

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and why would I come out of nowhere, then watch everyone post only to vote for someone who had no votes on them... it would've been so much easier to just vote bianca from the start and go with the bandwagon

 

[Antonio]

Ghost is cognizant not to vote themselves if they were scum.... its not him/her, I'd be really surprised if its Antonio and Dad is working his ass off right now to get votes off bianca

I feel like you are just throwing accusations out now, especially when it's less than 30 minutes till the final vote. Didn't you just town read me though, what changed your mind?

 

[Geoni]

Also Toads I am at work and sleep during the day and have the highest volume of content in this game and 'all of this' is me responding to new things and settling down to get more in-depth.

You waiting for everyone else to give you an all-players readslist while not providing your own is a legitimate concern so don't be all 'where have you been' with me. Yes, waiting to make reads based on the reads others gave you is legitimate but you can hide behind the understandability if that and come off as helpfully leady.

That being said I looked at Russian Roulette mafia to see your last scumgame and that wasn't the tactic there, the tactic was that you hid behind a past-game vendetta against Dolby in that one but eventually you went after Bianca for something simple and voting for Ghostkid's here is just as simple. If I had more time I'd further sanity check you but regardless, if you are mafia, whoever your partner is played a good game.

 

[toadsworthy]

I feel like you are just throwing accusations out now, especially when it's less than 30 minutes till the final vote. Didn't you just town read me though, what changed your mind?

Nothing I have said ever changed from you being town in my eyes.... please read carefully "I'd be really surprised if its antonio"

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Also Toads I am at work and sleep during the day and have the highest volume of content in this game and 'all of this' is me responding to new things and settling down to get more in-depth.

You waiting for everyone else to give you an all-players readslist while not providing your own is a legitimate concern so don't be all 'where have you been' with me. Yes, waiting to make reads based on the reads others gave you is legitimate but you can hide behind the understandability if that and come off as helpfully leady.

That being said I looked at Russian Roulette mafia to see your last scumgame and that wasn't the tactic there, the tactic was that you hid behind a past-game vendetta against Dolby in that one but eventually you went after Bianca for something simple and voting for Ghostkid's here is just as simple. If I had more time I'd further sanity check you but regardless, if you are mafia, whoever your partner is played a good game.

why is it a concern.... something had to be done. you all were ghosts, so I came in and asked for everyone's reads on everyone. I think thats a logical place to start as a newcomer. No one answered, so what I just then do my reads? I wanted those reads to help me do mine, and I don't think thats a tall order for a replacement.

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That being said I looked at Russian Roulette mafia to see your last scumgame and that wasn't the tactic there, the tactic was that you hid behind a past-game vendetta against Dolby

wtf does bringing this up have to do with anything.... you are literally doing whatever to try to get votes on me, or rather votes off bianca

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Its dad and bianca, final lock-in

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But i'm gonna get lynched because you all can't understand how I operate in these games.... despite it being the exact same each time

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Dad is out here subtlely suggesting who people should vote for 30 minutes before the end of day and i'm the scummy one for reading this game as it happens

 

[Geoni]

Ghost is cognizant not to vote themselves if they were scum.... its not him/her, I'd be really surprised if its Antonio and Dad is working his ass off right now to get votes off bianca

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and why would I come out of nowhere, then watch everyone post only to vote for someone who had no votes on them... it would've been so much easier to just vote bianca from the start and go with the bandwagon

Because that wouldn't work because the so called 'wagon' was just me voting Bianca at the start of your participation in this game and what coincided with your entry in the game was Bianca not realizing Punchy was dead, which was a towny moment you pointed out and townread her for, so that wasn't the easier option at all, especially when I have a decent reputation for voteswitching away from votes I cast at the start of a day phase.

"Why would I x as scum' is classic scum because you're trying to convince people that you wouldn't make a certain decision because of a single thing when the reality of mafia decision making is that your actions can be taken in different ways.

 

[toadsworthy]

Lol wait to lose it.... like seriously when are all of you going to start looking at people's intentions rather than the things they are saying

its dad and bianca isn't it

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go take your blood pressure meds daddy its over

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I have to spell things out for the children, because trying to get anyone to read between lines is impossible when half the people can't read upfront in the first place

 

[Dolby]

Toads was lynched when maj was hit

Mafia Wins

And with literally the exact opposite of what every living town member thought it was

Congratulations to Antonio and Ghostkid for winning

Scumchat

 

[toadsworthy]

Toads was lynched when maj was hit

Mafia Wins

And with literally the exact opposite of what every living town member thought it was

Congratulations to Antonio and Ghostkid for winning

Scumchat

......

 

[Geoni]

Also the shaming tone in your last post here...lol yikes. You are building yourself up as being more contributive than you've actually been and talking down to the rest of the game based on these forced optics.

 

[toadsworthy]

well good job Antonio, I thought you played as a really good scum

and wtf ghost kid almost just voted themselves off, I stand by my thought process for that end of game **** show, as well as that this is just how I play at this point because otherwise

 

[Antonio]

Woohoo!

Good job ghost

 

[toadsworthy]

Also the shaming tone in your last post here...lol yikes. You are building yourself up as being more contributive than you've actually been and talking down to the rest of the game based on these forced optics.

Y I K E S
thanks daddy

is it really talking down when you know you have a point?

 

[Geoni]

God damnit I should have voted Antonio but I had to lean on Toads because that's what the majority could have been due to Bianca and I thought Antonio was the partner.

Ugh Ghostkid really coasted and I should have scumread the double post moment.

 

[Ghostkid]

i cant believe i won my first time as mafia i was actually nervous for a bit