Mafia Miraculous Ladybug Cultists [Congrats Cult!]

[tae]

@Menchie care to explain your vote on Toad ? And do you have thoughts on anything else ?

scroll up they quoted me and sheeped.

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since when does a convincing tone but crap explanation mean I am scum... I know I look terrible rn, but how many others times have I been like that and turned out to be town too. Just because Tae is posting very authoritatively should not mean it had more validation to it. Also refreshed today, I'm trying to have better discussions rather than bad, rude, mean, aggressive reaction testing

you were never this anxious sounding or flustered in past games. you might have always been all over with your reads but if nobody can really see the difference in toad this game i don't know what to say oh my god.

the difference now as opposed to former games where you've been messy or lacking of certain sense is that this time you're SO incredibly messy it's hard to even watch or listen to to speak at this point. you've posted in the wrong thread idk how many times, you're all over the place, and most of your posts in my opinion have an added filler with your wording like you're tying to throw in more words to sound like you're making a point when in reality you're beating around the bush and honestly the fact that you jumped on tom so fast after he claimed he got bussed w/ athena was so opportunistic i want to put you in a corner and let you sit quietly for a minute.

i need to read the thread again now that im finally off mobile.
i don't understand why everyone is so ****ing sus of tom. i really dont.

just a quick question though, did anyone come out and claim being bussed this last night along with tom? endless brought up a good point that it's possible that entropy and him were bussed and thus- the kill landed on entropy and not tom.

 

[PandaDarling]

I'm townreading Heyden and Chrystina bc their post seem pretty normal, not forced or anything. Heydens posts seemed odd at first, but they seem real now, but I'm not sure but I'm townreading him for now. Chrystina just seems pretty normal to me.
I'm kinds sus of Tom, and entropy. Toms posts have been 'off' like when he was saying "lynch me". Entropys posts seem strange to me also, but idk.

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townleaning* not townreading. oops.

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I'm also kinda sus of Toad as well because of how emotional some of his posts are.

@Tae thanks, had to go back several pages and 17 hours real time.

 

[Chrystina]

scroll up they quoted me and sheeped.

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you were never this anxious sounding or flustered in past games. you might have always been all over with your reads but if nobody can really see the difference in toad this game i don't know what to say oh my god.

the difference now as opposed to former games where you've been messy or lacking of certain sense is that this time you're SO incredibly messy it's hard to even watch or listen to to speak at this point. you've posted in the wrong thread idk how many times, you're all over the place, and most of your posts in my opinion have an added filler with your wording like you're tying to throw in more words to sound like you're making a point when in reality you're beating around the bush and honestly the fact that you jumped on tom so fast after he claimed he got bussed w/ athena was so opportunistic i want to put you in a corner and let you sit quietly for a minute.

i need to read the thread again now that im finally off mobile.
i don't understand why everyone is so ****ing sus of tom. i really dont.

just a quick question though, did anyone come out and claim being bussed this last night along with tom? endless brought up a good point that it's possible that entropy and him were bussed and thus- the kill landed on entropy and not tom.

just gonna come out and say this, that i'd prefer a toads lynch over tom. i know i've shown no suspicion of him at all, but this post is a lot more convincing for me than your last. and Im also townleaning you now, rather than null from before. 1- you wouldnt come into the thread so bold if you were cult. and 2 because this is typical tae town play.

to answer your question, no, nobody else claimed being bussed. however we can't determine if it's true that entropy x tom were, because a simple townie could've gotten bussed with tom and we wouldnt know.
(of course we can determine if it's false if someone comes forward, but at this point i'd rather not anyone else come forward cause we're practically handing away our important members to the cult)

 

[PandaDarling]

scroll up they quoted me and sheeped.

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you were never this anxious sounding or flustered in past games. you might have always been all over with your reads but if nobody can really see the difference in toad this game i don't know what to say oh my god.

the difference now as opposed to former games where you've been messy or lacking of certain sense is that this time you're SO incredibly messy it's hard to even watch or listen to to speak at this point. you've posted in the wrong thread idk how many times, you're all over the place, and most of your posts in my opinion have an added filler with your wording like you're tying to throw in more words to sound like you're making a point when in reality you're beating around the bush and honestly the fact that you jumped on tom so fast after he claimed he got bussed w/ athena was so opportunistic i want to put you in a corner and let you sit quietly for a minute.

i need to read the thread again now that im finally off mobile.
i don't understand why everyone is so ****ing sus of tom. i really dont.

just a quick question though, did anyone come out and claim being bussed this last night along with tom? endless brought up a good point that it's possible that entropy and him were bussed and thus- the kill landed on entropy and not tom.

@Tae no one has come forward yet, we were discussing whether or not it would be beneficial for at he Vig (if they were 1 shot) to come forward and maybe help clarify things but it's still up in the air I think, also Chrystina seems to think Tom is cleared from being cult cause he got notified of being bussed (driven) cause she thinks you wouldn't be notified unless you have an action ? If I'm understanding her correctly, I know you just got on laptop and are gonna read back, I would like your opinion on these subjects.

@Chrystina what games have you played where the role Bus Driver was involved ? I'm gonna go search past games for mechanics of the role, maybe can help us out, while we are still waiting for the Azuriland people to come back.

 

[tae]

to answer your question, no, nobody else claimed being bussed. however we can't determine if it's true that entropy x tom were, because a simple townie could've gotten bussed with tom and we wouldnt know.
(of course we can determine if it's false if someone comes forward, but at this point i'd rather not anyone else come forward cause we're practically handing away our important members to the cult)

is what im thinking bussing is different than what it really is? because i don't see how knowing who two were bussed is all that bad. unless my understanding of bussing is different than what it actually is? doesn't it just switch their places for the night.

ex: person a and person b get bussed.
mafia targets person b but bc they were bussed person a died instead.

so really it doesn't reveal town's prs or anything? it just causes some chaos. the only good thing about bussing and knowing what two were bussed is if cop inspected them cop now had a 50/50 chance of knowing if one of those two are scum.

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@Tae no one has come forward yet, we were discussing whether or not it would be beneficial for at he Vig (if they were 1 shot) to come forward and maybe help clarify things but it's still up in the air I think, also Chrystina seems to think Tom is cleared from being cult cause he got notified of being bussed (driven) cause she thinks you wouldn't be notified unless you have an action ? If I'm understanding her correctly, I know you just got on laptop and are gonna read back, I would like your opinion on these subjects.

@Chrystina what games have you played where the role Bus Driver was involved ? I'm gonna go search past games for mechanics of the role, maybe can help us out, while we are still waiting for the Azuriland people to come back.

if vig is 1 shot. i think they should claim and put the chaos to rest. there's not much reason not to help figure things out of their one pump shot is all out of juice. sure cult will know who they are, but they're basically just a townie now.

if they have more than one shot, theres no reason to claim until after you've used for last shot. but for the sake of ****ing town pls don't shoot blind. sure the chances of being culted rise more each night phase but shooting blindly ends badly. very badly. ( coughs ARES cough)


i think toms a 50/50, but toms play isnt all that off from what he's used to. at least not in my opinion anyway.
also.. because i think toad is the cultiest cult here his intense jump on tom the other day gives me more of a town read / lean on tom because i know tom looked somewhat bad, and a lot of people jumped on that bandwagon but it was too ****ing opportunistic imo. and now that toad was called out for it and he's slowly backing off tom now that he's got pressure on him for it?? culty.

 

[Chrystina]

is what im thinking bussing is different than what it really is? because i don't see how knowing who two were bussed is all that bad. unless my understanding of bussing is different than what it actually is? doesn't it just switch their places for the night.

ex: person a and person b get bussed.
mafia targets person b but bc they were bussed person a died instead.

so really it doesn't reveal town's prs or anything? it just causes some chaos. the only good thing about bussing and knowing what two were bussed is if cop inspected them cop now had a 50/50 chance of knowing if one of those two are scum.

****. yeah, you're right. i was misinterpreting the role description. so nvm ignore everything i am saying lmao.

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@Tae no one has come forward yet, we were discussing whether or not it would be beneficial for at he Vig (if they were 1 shot) to come forward and maybe help clarify things but it's still up in the air I think, also Chrystina seems to think Tom is cleared from being cult cause he got notified of being bussed (driven) cause she thinks you wouldn't be notified unless you have an action ? If I'm understanding her correctly, I know you just got on laptop and are gonna read back, I would like your opinion on these subjects.

@Chrystina what games have you played where the role Bus Driver was involved ? I'm gonna go search past games for mechanics of the role, maybe can help us out, while we are still waiting for the Azuriland people to come back.

just xeno and it was mafia aligned (iirc). then of course dolby's micro bus driver game, but legit everyone was a bus driver so i'm not sure if it'd be a good example to look at

 

[toadsworthy]

scroll up they quoted me and sheeped.

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you were never this anxious sounding or flustered in past games. you might have always been all over with your reads but if nobody can really see the difference in toad this game i don't know what to say oh my god.

the difference now as opposed to former games where you've been messy or lacking of certain sense is that this time you're SO incredibly messy it's hard to even watch or listen to to speak at this point. you've posted in the wrong thread idk how many times, you're all over the place, and most of your posts in my opinion have an added filler with your wording like you're tying to throw in more words to sound like you're making a point when in reality you're beating around the bush and honestly the fact that you jumped on tom so fast after he claimed he got bussed w/ athena was so opportunistic i want to put you in a corner and let you sit quietly for a minute.

i need to read the thread again now that im finally off mobile.
i don't understand why everyone is so ****ing sus of tom. i really dont.

just a quick question though, did anyone come out and claim being bussed this last night along with tom? endless brought up a good point that it's possible that entropy and him were bussed and thus- the kill landed on entropy and not tom.

ok let me please explain myself in a different way and perhaps you will be able to see why I got so pissed. Although the way you are talking I highly doubt you have an open mind to the fact that I am Town. because I'm so town, you're gonna feel upset about it.

1- Wise puts a stupid quick vote on me: I was super pissed this random new person just put a vote on me and made me look sus for no reason. As they've never come back since then too. Even worse, Athena and others are standing up to not kill wise, when they only look scummier than everyone. And so I was flabbergasted people were taking this as credible.
2. Duck starts building off Wise on the basis of grammar. So of course I got pissed even more. Don't know how they do it in azurilland, but I wasn't gonna let that and his overall pissy attitude fly.
3. come off all that, and Tom, a very respected player, is telling people to "lynch me bb" and I was like can someone please freaking not be annoying af. So yeah add to the pissyness
4. Crys was inactive for 3 whole days... I was the first person to bring it to attention. Never said I would lynch her on it, but brought it up... she comes back and just gets pissed at me. Even though 3 days inactivity is a warranted reason to bring this up.
5. Entropy, similar to Tom, is making stupid comments and tunneling Panda, so I got pissed at her (maybe she caught some more backlash than necessary, but with everything else you could see why).
But despite all this anger I had... I still used the opportunities to get some stuff out of people, tried to make the most out of it to get insight on people.
Also no one else was phased by any of this bs, so it made more upset.

So I'm sorry for being pissed as hell last night, but I'm not gonna sit around trying to reason out people's bs posts, bs reasonings anymore when its clear as day. Nope. I can not fault you for seeing how atrocious or cringey my posts are, but I can't effing do it in this game anymore.... thought about replacement, but seeing crys do it too, I thought I would stick it out.

To your actual content though.
1. Yup, I'm pissed and off-my-rocker more than usual, can't fault you for that.... but above is why
2. Quick on Tom? Opportunistic? I didn't vote him until the end of day 1 (he claimed start of day 1) looking at who else to vote very quickly because I knew Daniel wasn't cult. He had ish posts and thought the claim could be an easy way to coast. Apparently it was warranted too, because other people too find him scummy in this game. And with the bussing situation I've mulled over the possibilities in this thread multiple times, so it is not just a bolt reaction. I've thought through it way more than you are giving me credit for.
3. I've posted in the wrong thread "idk how many times".... its been two. 1 -> 2. Once was when I was on mobile freaking out over Daniel.

please don't come in here as aggressive as you are right now, making smug comments about my username, and exaggerating the already exaggerated things I've done because its not gonna look good for you when I flip town.

 

[tae]

please don't come in here as aggressive as you are right now, making smug comments about my username, and exaggerating the already exaggerated things I've done because its not gonna look good for you when I flip town.

i've still never seen you this emotional before and it's weird to me.

answer me this then. were you bussed last night.

 

[toadsworthy]

i've still never seen you this emotional before and it's weird to me.

answer me this then. were you bussed last night.

No? I was not informed of anything at least....

 

[Endless]

I've played probably ~20 games with bus driver. In most of them, the driven aren't informed that they were bussed at all. I played in a couple that had either everyone driven getting PM's or only people with night actions (which cult has, btw).

@curry Athena Cykes appeared familiar with the bus driver role and since Kat comes from the same forum as you/Athena, do you think you could fill us in on how bus drivers usually work over there? I'm confident that it'll be the same as this game.

I'm getting a lot of red flags from tae (and by proxy) Chrystina right now. This is toads town meta through and through. The only really noticeable difference is for once he wasn't pressured super hard over his RQS, allowing him the freedom to apply his play aggressively.
As a bonus, there isn't a universe in which he gets lynched as mafia and then isn't cautious as non-town the following game, since that was his first time playing as mafia.
Toad is my strongest townread and the push on him is scapegoating off meta, which isn't even accurate meta.
Like, I'm trying not to be rude, but that's a really, really God damn bad read.
And I'm extremely disconcerted by how opportunistically Chrystina was willing to vie for it, despite her former reads and the fact that tae didn't even have a reason originally. It just seems so opportunistic to me.
I might need to re-evaluate my townread on Chrystina.

 

[Chrystina]

I've played probably ~20 games with bus driver. In most of them, the driven aren't informed that they were bussed at all. I played in a couple that had either everyone driven getting PM's or only people with night actions (which cult has, btw).

@curry Athena Cykes appeared familiar with the bus driver role and since Kat comes from the same forum as you/Athena, do you think you could fill us in on how bus drivers usually work over there? I'm confident that it'll be the same as this game.

I'm getting a lot of red flags from tae (and by proxy) Chrystina right now. This is toads town meta through and through. The only really noticeable difference is for once he wasn't pressured super hard over his RQS, allowing him the freedom to apply his play aggressively.
As a bonus, there isn't a universe in which he gets lynched as mafia and then isn't cautious as non-town the following game, since that was his first time playing as mafia.
Toad is my strongest townread and the push on him is scapegoating off meta, which isn't even accurate meta.
Like, I'm trying not to be rude, but that's a really, really God damn bad read.
And I'm extremely disconcerted by how opportunistically Chrystina was willing to vie for it, despite her former reads and the fact that tae didn't even have a reason originally. It just seems so opportunistic to me.
I might need to re-evaluate my townread on Chrystina.

How isn't the meta accurate?
I may be opportunistic, but let me ask you this. Would you have seen it opportunistic if I placed a vote on Tom, when you asked me to? Tom was always at a null for me, not sus. Why ask me to do it then, if you're gonna "re-evaluate" the town read on me? By all means, go ahead. But if theres anyone I can read from tone, it's tae. And I'm getting nothing but town vibes from him. Thus, willing to sheep his confident scum read.

 

[tae]

@endless your votes on tom right now?

so with your reasoning about buss pms- theres still a chance that either a: they all get pmd or b: they only get pmd if they have a night action. that being said, you're confident in your reads enough to say that tom really is cult even if he's a potential town pr?

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and you can red flag me all you want it doesn't bother me.

 

[Curry]

So on Azurilland, town and mafia bus drivers are called different things. A recent em aligned bus driver is simply called a bus driver, a mafia aligned one is called a kidnapper. When you are switched by either of these roles, whether you have a night action or not, whether it caused you to get auctioned (other Han the bussing obv) you are GIVEN a notification saying you were bussed. The same notification from both of those roles so it's a neutral notification, but regardless of whether or not you were actioned because of the bussing or if you're a vanilla townie or whatever, you do receive a notification that you were bussed. Both games linked in Duck's post have Kidnappers and The Great Revival! has both a bus driver (Bossvelt) and a Kidnapper (Exposition_Mage, or Athena here). A Somg of Town of Mafia's Kidnapper would be referred to as Benny, Celestrial, or his current username of Light.

 

[Duck]

I am sincerely sorry for not posting. I'm just getting used to a more active mafia game, so forgive me if I don't post a lot.

Reads (no spoilers on tbt?)

(also this list is copypasta from the first post not ordered in any other way)

1) Heyden what the literal diddley doddley heck man. You've 180'd 10 billion times this game. You complain about Toad's ****ty reads and then you go on to say he's definitely town. I don't get it. You also mention about playing seriously and thn u strt posting lk this. Vote.
2) Endless (AKA Abe) His vote on Heyden out of the literal blue was quite random especially that early, but he seems to have been making less scummy posts?
3) Mogyay (AKA Mog) Not sure about this one guy.
COLOR="#B22222"]4) Tom[[/COLOR] This guy is raising some red flags. Kinda a scummy vibe. Sniff. Sniff. Quack.
5) Athena Cykes (AKA Meloetta) Hasn't really contributed much.
6) Duck (AKA Pokequeen, Queenie) I'm town please believe me
7) Damniel (AKA Daniel, CMD) 2-shot Granny. Lynched Day one. Dead.
8) Toadsworthy (AKA Toads) He does pressure and stuff on people like me, so I'll give him a somewhat-town lean.
9) Chrystina (AKA Chrys, Alexi) Hmm.
10) entropy (AKA M3ow) Dead.
11) cpu (AKA Crys) Currently in a comatose state.
12) Curry (AKA ClamEatsCurry) Curry's raised some red flags. He's like me- he's participated yet hasn't really done anything helpful. From reading his long posts it seems like he's kinda staying out of the way of things for the most part. I've seen him as scum on Azurri and I can honestly relate his posts to it. So....yah.
13) PandaDarling (AKA Panda) Overall has contributed and is giving a nice town vibe.

I have to go now, I'll finish the rest of the reads...who knows when.

 

[Curry]

A recent em should say town aligned...I don't even know phone.

Also, this was in response to Endless.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Hi I'm here, despite really not wanting to be. Was gonna ask for a replacement but since there is none and Kat's already looking for one for a different player I'm just gonna put on my big boy pants.

Is this serious? If you think it would make you look bad, why even mention it? I think you're the only one making yourself look bad at this point, but maybe i'm just confused by what's going on.

I mention if because if I don't, then would it not reflect poorly on me? If Cop got a Cult Return when they targeted me and I was bussed, what point is there in keeping quiet?

Interesting theory: (Just a possibility we should consider. I don't think it's particularly likely, but it's certainly possible.)

Bus driver townread Entropy and thought Tom was cult. So bus driver drove Entropy/Tom so that a serial killer (Which we're assuming that they assumed was in the game) who targeted Entropy would kill Tom instead.

There is no SK, and a vigilante attempted to shoot Tom during the night. The bus driver's play backfired and Entropy was accidentally killed by the combined action of two blue roles.

I do think it's entirely possible that is what happened at night. I know joking rubbed a few of you wrongly, probably enough to have a vig try to shoot me so I wouldn't rule it out.

And of course I'm for a Tom lynch, I'm still not happy with Wise and others avoiding the game when they left us with a big question mark but at this point they might just get modkilled so Tom is our best candidate atm.

Mmm I disagree but that's just me ok

Q: not saying they should, just wondering if at this point if it was a 1-Shot Vig that targeted Tom, do you think they should say so or not ? Maybe so we can clear it up, I can't decide if it would help us clarify, work things out and move on or if it's better to keep it concealed.

Better to claim now rather than later, much for some of the reasons already given. No one is ever cleared in cult games, might as well take advantage of the moments you have.

Tom I saw you haven't been online today, but when you do I would like to remind you to please address my questions and the votes on you. A few new ones for you:
Depending on your answer to my question, if you were in fact the target of the bus driver, do you find it likely you were switched with entropy and that is why she died? If the answer is yes that means you had to have been shot at, and what are your thoughts on being a target of a shooting night action?

I feel like I missed your questions when browsing the thread, but hopefully I've answered similar questions for you? I'll try and find it after posting this. I think it's likely, though at the same time a point could be made that Entropy's "certainness" would be off putting to some. I mean she had/has Panda pegged as CL, that's a pretty high level degree of certainness that the only person aware of that would have to be in with the cult? I think I should have been shot yes, as I am playing as a player I would have shot for certain. I'm null on most lists, scumleaning on others. 100% makes sense to shoot me.

 

[Curry]

12) Curry (AKA ClamEatsCurry) Curry's raised some red flags. He's like me- he's participated yet hasn't really done anything helpful. From reading his long posts it seems like he's kinda staying out of the way of things for the most part. I've seen him as scum on Azurri and I can honestly relate his posts to it. So....yah.

Since apparently my posts are "too long" no one seems to read them (which I get) but I prefer not posting over and over and like to keep my questions contained...if people can't be bothered to actually pay attention to them, fine but that's not my problem or me "not doing anything helpful." It's not my fault people "can't be ****ed" to read a post that is long, but don't act like I'm not furthering discussion because people don't read them. Not to mention I've been willing and clarifying every Azurilland term there has been in this game so people aren't confused by all of your all (and some of mine) terminology. If I was scum, I'd be happy to see a sea of confusion and let it sway, but I'm trying to make sure people understand so they know what's going on when we say things that have COMPLETELY different meanings here than they do there, or how roles work very differently, etc. I don't leave for entire day or night cycles to then come back and be like "eh, I got nothing." So if I'm not helping, then I apologize and I'll do more after tomorrows shift.

The game you're referring to me as scum on is The Great Revival! (Here's the link if others want to look at it: http://www.azurilland.com/forums/ar...7-mafia-the-great-revival-game-over-town-wins ) Please enlighten me how I'm playing like that game, because I even told my exact philosophy on how I intended to play that game in Song of Town and Mafia. Alex (Genos) and I went to be the town leaders so people would sheep us, and it worked.

If anything from Azuri meta, I'd argue I'm matching my meta there more to A Song of Town and Mafia, again here is the link: http://www.azurilland.com/forums/ar...ia-a-song-of-town-and-mafia-game-over-vayatir (I was jailor). Do posts like these look familiar? http://www.azurilland.com/forums/ar...town-and-mafia-game-over-vayatir?page=20#c382 http://www.azurilland.com/forums/ar...town-and-mafia-game-over-vayatir?page=13#c249

For Tom, this was in the sea of my big day 2 post early morning/late night after D2 was posted.

Tom
Quote Originally Posted by Tom

Why though??????????????????

Also I want off the bus driver's wild ride, you're going to make me look bad ;-;

I assume this means you were bussed again? Why would it make you look bad? And why the reaction of "Why though????????" to the entropy kill? That doesn't say much about your thoughts on the kill.

I promised reads and a vote tonight, so I'll be doing those after some Overwatch and WoW.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Ah. Yes I was bussed again. It makes me look bad because if I'm constantly being bussed, wouldn't that raise red flags that I'm being a bit out there again? Why though is because I didn't consider for a moment that I was the intended target of the shot and that there was literally no reason to kill Entropy unless there's an SK amongst us.

 

[Chrystina]

@toads - I was reading back on your posts and idk HOW I missed this.. but in your reads posted during this day phase, you included entropy... did you write those reads during night? I'm assuming yes but you said since you were "here you would write them now".
Also, your reads are a lot of town reads - which, isn't necessarily a bad thing since the game starts out with a lot more town members than usual. But your sus reads aren't assertive in the slightest bit. It seems like you're holding back on really pinpointing someone and this is where I'm being reminded of your previous game..

Which brings me to my 2nd and last question, if you were to unvote Wise (which you said you would eventually), who would you vote for and why?

 

[toadsworthy]

@toads - I was reading back on your posts and idk HOW I missed this.. but in your reads posted during this day phase, you included entropy... did you write those reads during night? I'm assuming yes but you said since you were "here you would write them now".
Also, your reads are a lot of town reads - which, isn't necessarily a bad thing since the game starts out with a lot more town members than usual. But your sus reads aren't assertive in the slightest bit. It seems like you're holding back on really pinpointing someone and this is where I'm being reminded of your previous game..

Which brings me to my 2nd and last question, if you were to unvote Wise (which you said you would eventually), who would you vote for and why?

Quote me where you saw that. And I've been vocal about Seroja. If she doesn't actually bring anything by the end of day like she is promising then I will vote her.

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My reads from 3:27 am last night/this morning doesn't include entropy.... I haute checked

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