Toadsworthy, voting yourself is expressly playing against your win condition unless you're jester. Stop, calm down, and rationally analyze the situation. Then stop playing against your win condition.
Can you give any other reason other than "his tone is off, he's messy, anxious sounding" because honestly I don't get why you've been pushing a lynch on him so hard with really, really weak reasoning, it took you ages to actually say why we should lynch Toad, and when you did, that was your reason? From what I've seen, you've not posted anything solid or credible against Toad at all, yet you're so set on lynching him, It's so weak.
I'm not sure on my thoughts on Toad at the moment to be honest, but I'm not going along with a lynch when this is the type of "reasoning" we're given. If you really think we should lynch Toad, please actually tell us why, give us a reason other than the fact he's messy (as he always is tbh?) I don't know if this is normal from you, but I kind of expected slightly more solid reasoning
@Toad, voting yourself, seriously? Not a good move, as the others said, calm down... If we shouldn't lynch you, who should we lynch and why?
So I've re-read the thread and I'll be honest, I don't see the point in everyone posting all these huge reads. I think after a while it got all samey and it was just suffering to read through. However I'm sure most of you expect at the very least color coded stuff so here we go:
I think honestly Entropy was on the right track with Panda, but going through the thread again I'm a little uncertain if that's wrong or right. With Panda's recent change in playstyle I'm not sure about her because last game I was so certain and whoops I lynched town Panda. She's definitely someone I'd keep an eye on.
Honestly Toad is the one that rubs me wrong the most, as he's been so incredibly hostile to Azurrilland players and new players in general this game for no reason that I could honestly understand them not wanting to come back. If I didn't have to work later, I honestly would have gotten more alcohol to deal with some of his posts. I can see town shining through some of the posts, but like the way they read just is ugh.
To be honest, I want everyone to consider a no lynch today. "But Tom that's an incredibly stupid thing to do! That's game throwing!!" Okay but like if the Azurrilland players never come back and Cpu doesn't get a replacement, we're going to be hurting really bad. Like yes we should be actively hunting for the Cult Leader or Cultists, but I think we ought to stop and consider how badly off we could end up with a number of modkills.
dont have time 2 read the thread have *** to do but ill put a placeholder on myself for now but i should be getting a data recharge tmrw so ill make the deadline if school hours permit
I'm posting a case on Panda first because my reads is still 50% incomplete.
PandaDarling - scum lean
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There was something a bit off about Panda that I can?t quite place tbh. Reading through the thread the first time through, I got the feeling that Panda was holding back a bit, and a bit detached which was slightly different than her usual playstyle. But then again, I too was not playing as my usual town self this game and she?d also explained that she was trying to be more logical and less emotional in this game. It?s just something to note, I guess.
Content-wise
She asked a lot of questions/clarifications from other players which is a pretty town thing to do, yes? But looking closer, she picked easy/obvious questions to ask (nothing thought provoking). Did she participate in any of the discussions about other players happening at the time? No. She came in, asked a question or two at Wise and Duck (within intervals) and then disappeared. As I?d written in my first read on her- a bit filler-ish. The discussion that she did participate in was about game mechanics & NL. Yes this saved us the trouble from having to ask the same questions but was it a town tell? No. tl;dr- she didn't really give any input about other players but asked enough questions to appear pro-town.
Her initial reads (I have no right to comment on this considering my list was **** but)
I noticed that her reads were pretty safe, nothing new. But the one thing that really jumped at me was her reads on me. Why would she town read me unless she knows that I?m not cult? It?s like she saw me posting helpful posts, posted a read (no matter how ****ty), and she was like yeah too much work to make her seem scummy so- townlean. I mean if she's town, thank you for town leaning me because everybody else was so sure I?m scum based on my inactivity alone smh. But, we played together in MMM where I was scum and I clearly coasted that game much like what I?d done earlier this game. Wouldn?t that have made her more careful with me? I remember as scum, I mostly only skimmed people?s posts. And in doing so, made me miss a lot of crucial details. Could this be why she thought I was ?scum-hunting?? (my list was so weak that the best anyone could do was to put me on null)
Her vote
She voted Wise out of all people, when Daniel was so close to getting lynched? I think Curry asked her why she voted for Wise which she explained. But come on, a very important role was about to get lynched? What would you do as town? Vote for a random absent player instead of other scummier players who had more votes and could potentially save Dan? Hmm.
@Curry the fleshy thing I know doesn't make sense I misread what he had said, so I addressed him incorrectly, and the Wise thing is different I didn't vote Wise for inactivity, I voted him because of the behaviors I found weird which I stated which he still hasn't help clarify also the Seroja thing, I have to go back and put a post together for you guys, I'm on mobile rn, fml.
pretty weak explanation for voting Wise tbh. I mean, Wise literally only posted twice? Is he worth sacrificing Daniel over? I think not. And while she did misunderstood Fleshy, the fact still remains that she frowned upon the idea of going after inactives. No matter what reason she had for voting Wise, he is still an inactive!
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Day 2 Panda is a bit confusing to read. However, for some reason I'm still reading her posts as emotionally detached.
True, and for me not understanding what happened drives me crazy and makes it hard for me to move forward and focus on other stuff. Smh... Also another thing that's been on my mind is as long as the Cult Learder is alive, people are going to continue to be culted, and not only is there a chance of the scum team to have fake claims but also the newly converted people will have their original roles to claim, so I don't think it's gonna help us much when someone claims to save themselves before a lynching, the way it does normally when it's town vs. mafia. (Sorry if this is obvious, my first cult game, kinda thinking aloud)
Pretty insightful tbh but were you lowkey trying to dissuade us from believing people who's set to lynch (should they roleclaim) to reduce our numbers? Also good job establishing how confused you are with the setup and let us know that your focus is disrupted because of it.
To be honest, all this talk about bussing and Endless' theories is pretty damn annoying. Panda was so obsessed with the buss since day 1 and now she's worrying about Endless' theories (which r so wild, what are the odds really?) I mean Panda really haven't discussed anyone's behaviour in this game at all (which is unlike her usual town self) aside from Tom (obvious choice) and Wise (really?). The only other two who she had remotely accused of as either cult or SK was entropy and Chrys because they attacked her first.
you know what i was taking a shower right now, getting ready for work, and i couldn't stop thinking about Chrystina ........ and this post and how it starts with "I was waiting for this.".... did you have this planned or something ? and for those of you who don't know, Chrystina and I are fairly good friends so we know each other pretty well, and i know she isn't stupid enough to think i was stupid enough to kill someone (Entropy) that was super sus of me first of all and secondly to go in thread and "cry wolf" by saying i was framed. Chrystina you seemed to dump the blame on me a little too quickly, and its not sitting right with me. also what are you saying in the bolded part ? Like i get what your saying but the sentence structure is awkward, and feels forced. and you know that as a baddie (since we were on the same mafia team before) that i wouldn't have guilt or paranoia it i had killed her.
I believe that she didn't kill entropy, but that doesn't mean she's not cult. Her reply to Chrys' accusation sounded too calculative imo. I don't know why but I got a very different vibe from that post than Chrys did. I feel like it's emotionally detached (unlike her tone in MMM). Can I get other opinions on this? Especially by those who played Murder Mystery Mafia because she used this same reasons a lot to read Chrys in that game.
Also on N1- she asked entropy if she was SK. Really why did she suspect entropy as SK instead of cult when, at that point of time, nobody had talked about the possibility of SK yet.
you didn't ask me my reads you asked if i knew if he was CL ? don't flip things around and try to make it seem like i avoided your question cause i didn't, i made reasons on everyone (as you read) so if you forgot go back and re-read it. also i feel like you are genuinely scum hunting so i don't think you're cult (yet) but there is something off about you that makes me think third party.
This is mere speculation on my part but could it be that Panda asked that because she was cult and was trying to look for SK? Anyway real question- is scumhunting something that an SK would normally do? I mean Panda thought entropy was genuinely scumhunting but suspected her of being SK nonetheless.
Anyway, this is the part where I express my disappointment at Toads for interrupting entropy's and Panda's exchange. I could have had way more to work with otherwise ://
Now before anyone comes in and tells me how 'awful' or 'wrong' my reads are, I'm gonna politely ask you to refrain from doing so. Yes, you can refute my reads but please respect the time and effort I've put into constructing this case. English is so rich; there are plenty of ways to criticise people without hurting them. Thank you.
If Panda can please step up and defend herself I'd be grateful.
ok back to writing the rest of my reads *sweats*
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EBWOP: Could this be why she thought I was ‘scum-hunting’? Because she skimmed my reads (my list was so weak that the best anyone could do was to put me on null)
*thought to add that in case anyone finds it confusing.
I'll carriage smash the toad push to the side when I'm done with this homework assignment.
Starting to see what Duck was saying about curry not really saying anything at all.
He has 2 townreads, neither of which are new reads.
Then he has 2 scumreads, one of which is the one I'm pushing, and the other is me. The reason he's listed me as cult is quite literally (and I **** you not) "I'm not really seeing town from him".
Convincing.
And the remaining 14 players are all listed as null.
Did you read the bottom at all? I said if I hadn't played so much Overwatch or had a 13 hour shift today I would've expanded and analyzed much more than I did. I have real reasoning for my sus on you, but I didn't full on go into it because I didn't have time. Depending on the developments today, I will explain it when I'm able to. I'm scum reading Tom too, so what? Just because we may agree on a scum read does not mean I then have to think you are town cause of it.
Chrys, I thought you were in there? Did I accidentally remove you? Regardless you were a town read saying "it's always very hard for me to trust Chrys but I'm starting to think that this is a Chrys that is trustworthy. For now." So I had a 3rd full town read.
Did you read the bottom at all? I said if I hadn't played so much Overwatch or had a 13 hour shift today I would've expanded and analyzed much more than I did. I have real reasoning for my sus on you, but I didn't full on go into it because I didn't have time. Depending on the developments today, I will explain it when I'm able to. I'm scum reading Tom too, so what? Just because we may agree on a scum read does not mean I then have to think you are town cause of it.
Chrys, I thought you were in there? Did I accidentally remove you? Regardless you were a town read saying "it's always very hard for me to trust Chrys but I'm starting to think that this is a Chrys that is trustworthy. For now." So I had a 3rd full town read.
Question: Now we should probably have around 3-4 cultists right? Assuming we started with 3, then by N1 we have 4? This will make it easier for me to figure out the cult team.
And seriously, instead of wasting time talking about far-fetched theories and bussing (I fail to see the point in discussing this to the ground), maybe we can talk more about behavioural changes in people or possible cult candidates? Idk, anything more productive and worthwhile.
I very much so like your reads on panda, and I can see the vague detachment you are talking about. Also with my posts, I was thinking whoever is cult is staying far away from this as possible and panda hasn't commented or said anything about it, I don't think.
Also I needed you to follow through today on giving reads of some sort and you delivered! I feel the actual effort you put into it, understand where you are coming from, and I think there is some honest reflection of yourself that you wouldn't really talk about if you were cult. So I'm town leaning Serija now rather than scum lean.... Although I'm hoping people don't discredit what you've done just because I say it's good.
Toads I have a genuine question. I can understand being an emotional player, but there's something that concerns me about your play. Ever since I've started mafia on tbt there has been **** posting in like every game I've been in and even inactivity, besides like the micros. **** posting is not something new to TBT mafia. Our last game together was Trump I believe which also had some **** posting but you didn't react this way in that game. I haven't been around for a while but I'm wondering why you're so much more angry and "done with it" in this game when it's nothing new for TBT to have **** posting and inactivity games? Have you been this angry over **** posting since my break?
I am becoming more and more ok with a Panda lynch actually. Seroja makes a good point about the general feeling behind her posts. She has been row reading me, despite everything, and not really defending it while avoiding all my ish-show this whole time. She came back in and was just like should 1-shot vig claim? But of course she is gonna act like my supporter and not lynch me because she will look better when I do get lynched. Let's hope she comes alive with something today
Toads I have a genuine question. I can understand being an emotional player, but there's something that concerns me about your play. Ever since I've started mafia on tbt there has been **** posting in like every game I've been in and even inactivity, besides like the micros. **** posting is not something new to TBT mafia. Our last game together was Trump I believe which also had some **** posting but you didn't react this way in that game. I haven't been around for a while but I'm wondering why you're so much more angry and "done with it" in this game when it's nothing new for TBT to have **** posting and inactivity games? Have you been this angry over **** posting since my break?
I've explained it already but I will say it again.
It started out because it revolves around me. Wise Duck Athena stuff I've mentioned. Once I calmed from that, I saw long time players posting stupid things, Tom and Entropy, which pissed me off. The crys stuff I brought up for discussion I also got teamed for even though it was a legit thing to talk about. And now Tae with their stupid posts just slamming me rather than playing this game add to it too.
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I feel like it's emotionally detached (unlike her tone in MMM). Can I get other opinions on this? Especially by those who played Murder Mystery Mafia because she used this same reasons a lot to read Chrys in that game.
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I did notice this too, mainly just the overall changed tone (which she already addressed, so I didn't feel was worth mentioning again) and I didn't feel like I really had anything credible to make a in-depth read on, but I really do agree with your post, you've made some valid points. She does seem to be being a lot less into it/emotional in general and more just defensive when questioned, but it does make sense considering she said she wanted to play less emotionally. The Wise voting thing is also interesting, I didn't look into that before. I was pretty null on Panda before but I think this is overall a pretty solid read and I'm going to read more into Panda myself, and hopefully get some other opinions before writing up my current reads. A lot of it does seem to be rather far-fetched or clutching at nothing though, not meaning to come off in a rude way at all, but it does seem like a desperate attempt at some points, though I agree with it in general.
Toad, last I can see you had a rather strong town read on Panda,
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You got super into the convo about Tom's bus claim. You weren't trying to put blame on anyone, you didn't get upset with Entropy hounding you, and it seemed like you were genuinely trying to make sense of it to make proper reads. I feel like in this situation if you were cult, you would have some sort of agenda going into it, but you didn't. Idk why people get so sus on you, but I see all your posts as begin very genuine.
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That was yesterday, now you seem perfectly fine lynching her? I know that opinions and reads change, as mines have throughout this game, it just seems off that you changed so quickly after Seroja posted her reads. Is it because she posted a solid read and if people go along with it it'll get the heat off you? I don't know, just the more I look into it your shifting and almost constant change in tone is really weird.
If anyone is cult based on wishy washiness, it's you tbh. Please give me a more sensible case on Toads because you basically just agreed with Tae's case like it was a switch. I really can't omg. I mean, did you even read Toads' post? He explicitly said IF I didn't follow through with my word, he'd vote me. And have you even read my case? I'd think my case was pretty solid (way more solid that Tae's case on Toads at least) and you're 'wondering' why Toads is town leaning me now? So scummy.
yeah I did read your case. never said it was wrong or I didn't agree with it. if you think I'm scummy go ahead and vote me lmao.
I explained why I trust tae's tone and why toads is cult so if the reasoning isn't good enough, well idk what to tell you.
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if you guys seriously can't get what tae is saying go back and READ every word of his posts. honestly its so obvious.
yeah I did read your case. never said it was wrong or I didn't agree with it. if you think I'm scummy go ahead and vote me lmao.
I explained why I trust tae's tone and why toads is cult so if the reasoning isn't good enough, well idk what to tell you.
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if you guys seriously can't get what tae is saying go back and READ every word of his posts. honestly its so obvious.
Nah I'm not voting you today. Just stating that you seem so scummy lately ;A; anyway, I do trust Tae to be town too, but don't you think that town can make wrong reads? But anyway, ok I'll go back and read Toad's posts again. (goodbye sleepy time)
hi everyone, i'm home and rested and have read through the thread. seroja's case on panda is really interesting actually. i wasn't completely confident in scum leaning panda because she made it clear she wanted to change her playstyle but something does seem slightly off about her. i'm gonna read through the thread again and make some posts on select people.
i feel like it's silly when people keep pointing out a switch in feeling about two players, especially in toads case, seroja wasn't adding anything to the game really and now she's actually trying while i think her case on panda was really interesting and something to think about it. i don't think it's scummy that there's been an change in feeling, i think it's just a progressive change. i'm more likely to look at people who haven't changed their reads from the start or avoiding switching up opinion tbh
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also like i haven't played with tae much, but what's with the 'trust tae's tone' lol, just seems such weird reasoning..
Nah I'm not voting you today. Just stating that you seem so scummy lately ;A; anyway, I do trust Tae to be town too, but don't you think that town can make wrong reads? But anyway, ok I'll go back and read Toad's posts again. (goodbye sleepy time)
not toads posts, sorry. tae's posts. he even bolded a question and when I read it, that's when it became obvious. don't answer this, but think - why would tae ask be dead set on toads being cult, then with one last chance ask toads if he was bussed? toads says no and tae leaves it at that.
I did notice this too, mainly just the overall changed tone (which she already addressed, so I didn't feel was worth mentioning again) and I didn't feel like I really had anything credible to make a in-depth read on, but I really do agree with your post, you've made some valid points. She does seem to be being a lot less into it/emotional in general and more just defensive when questioned, but it does make sense considering she said she wanted to play less emotionally. The Wise voting thing is also interesting, I didn't look into that before. I was pretty null on Panda before but I think this is overall a pretty solid read and I'm going to read more into Panda myself, and hopefully get some other opinions before writing up my current reads. A lot of it does seem to be rather far-fetched or clutching at nothing though, not meaning to come off in a rude way at all, but it does seem like a desperate attempt at some points, though I agree with it in general.
Not desperate, pls, I'm town why would I be desperate lol. Anyway yea some of those were just my speculations (which I mentioned and asked for opinions so) but yup those were basically what I could make of her posts overall. If anyone can prove me wrong I'm totally open for it.
To everyone: we need discussions going to decide on the best lynch NOT on who got bussed etc etc. Stop derailing town's focus.
........ and this post and how it starts with "I was waiting for this.".... did you have this planned or something ? and for those of you who don't know, Chrystina and I are fairly good friends so we know each other pretty well, and i know she isn't stupid enough to think i was stupid enough to kill someone (Entropy) that was super sus of me first of all and secondly to go in thread and "cry wolf" by saying i was framed. Chrystina you seemed to dump the blame on me a little too quickly, and its not sitting right with me. also what are you saying in the bolded part ? Like i get what your saying but the sentence structure is awkward, and feels forced. and you know that as a baddie (since we were on the same mafia team before) that i wouldn't have guilt or paranoia it i had killed her.
