I've read over everything, the majority of what he's wrote against toad is "you're being stupid", "this is dumb", "lynch Toad" and in general just focusing on his "tone", quite like how you trust Tae's "tone" so much (I still don't get that at all, how can you trust his tone? his tone makes what he's saying 100% fact? people can make mistakes in their reads (not saying he's wrong) but I don't see how someone's tone is a valid reason to trust them on such a vital lynch......?). I do get what he's saying and I do agree, it's just he was sprouting "lynch toad istg" waay before even giving a reason to do so, and when reasons were giving, they just seemed a little lacking to me. I'm even noticing how off Toad has been recently too, I do agree with what has been said against him recently,
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I've read over everything, the majority of what he's wrote against toad is "you're being stupid", "this is dumb", "lynch Toad" and in general just focusing on his "tone", quite like how you trust Tae's "tone" so much (I still don't get that at all, how can you trust his tone? his tone makes what he's saying 100% fact? people can make mistakes in their reads (not saying he's wrong) but I don't see how someone's tone is a valid reason to trust them on such a vital lynch......?). I do get what he's saying and I do agree, it's just he was sprouting "lynch toad istg" waay before even giving a reason to do so, and when reasons were giving, they just seemed a little lacking to me. I'm even noticing how off Toad has been recently too, I do agree with what has been said against him recently,
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
You are so wrong it's just funny.... Seroja needed to come through big and looking back at pandas posts and general thoughts. I was realizing Seroja and Hayden may not be as scummy as I thought and so I needed to find other peopl I may have overlooked. Pandas
Posts are very distant, not adding to conversation and I like Serojas case. You want to just be pissed at me now because one flu flopping I literally don't care.... I'm in a hole at the moment, pretty sure I will get lynched even though I'm town.... Let me know when to claim? Should I do it now, so we have time to make me feel worse and say I'm lying?
Hm? I think I may know what you're getting at, I'll get back to it alright?
Iwaseleanor
:)
Why are people trusting Chrystina's opinion? She was the one who placed suspicion on Daniel before...
@Toads no dont claim, you'll be playing right into their palms. Stay calm.
Chrystina
07.09 💜
I'm not perfect lol. I've lead a lynch as town before and they flipped blue (ask crys ugh). I even unvoted him to try and save him so?
Ah, 3 am, and I've only just finished my assignment. I don't have time for the defence of toad post I had planned, but the general pieces I was going to draw on were in three segments: why Tae's case was not conclusive, why toad was town, and why Chrys was cult or SK. First portion would use these:
An assorted collection of games where tae has scumread toad and both were town - I know some exist because it was discussed jovially in discord before this game started.
The general logic that someone being town does not make them right. Which I was going to make an absurd example with.
A contrast of the emotional strength of toad and tae, which were similar and the extreme brevity of Tae's case.
Part 2 was going to draw on the following:
Toads alignment last game (Mafia) and the way he'd be approaching this game if he wasn't town. (Cautious/careful)
The fact that while chaotic, toad has created more town content than anyone else.
The third portion was going to contain:
A quote of Chrys's read on Tom. A quote of Chrys's read on toad. (The former was a sus read and the latter a townread, unless I'm remembering wrong) a quote of Chrys's reaction Tae's original push, despite there not being any reason in it.
An example of a game where tae tunneled a town where Chrys was in the game (almost certainly exists, considering Tae's playstyle)
@Seroja I don't have any criticisms. Well produced on point case. If I'm around before EoD and that lynch needs more oomph I'll switch to it.
That being said, I don't think the emotionally detached play style is a cult-tell, but there's definitely something fishy about the fact that it implies a more logical and thought through game style whereas her read on you implies she wasn't reading too deeply.
Moving panda to orange.
Best Lynch for today is still Tom though. He managed to post a long post without acting saying anything of relevance to the game. He contradicted himself in an opportunistic push earlier in game. What's not to Lynch?
@Seroja I told people to stop discussing the bussing. The only reason I outed my theory was because it occurred to me and I really felt like it was worth sharing. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
@Curry sorry, being busy doesn't give that readslist a free pass. You marked 13 players as null, provided 3 completely unoriginal reads, missed 1, and have yet to explain your read on me.
(I, of course, would love to see your read on me.)
The real pivotal problem with that reads list is that it implies you either haven't been paying much attention to the game, which I don't really buy, or that you haven't managed to discern much from the game - which I don't really buy either.
It also means that out of two scumreads, you'd have chosen the one that didn't have a vote on them to chuck a vote on, which also makes no sense.
I just don't really see where you're coming from right now curry, and I hope you can lay your brain out on the table and we can rectify that.
Sorry if this is a mess, I'm practically sleepwalking at this point.
An assorted collection of games where tae has scumread toad and both were town - I know some exist because it was discussed jovially in discord before this game started.
The general logic that someone being town does not make them right. Which I was going to make an absurd example with.
A contrast of the emotional strength of toad and tae, which were similar and the extreme brevity of Tae's case.
Part 2 was going to draw on the following:
Toads alignment last game (Mafia) and the way he'd be approaching this game if he wasn't town. (Cautious/careful)
The fact that while chaotic, toad has created more town content than anyone else.
The third portion was going to contain:
A quote of Chrys's read on Tom. A quote of Chrys's read on toad. (The former was a sus read and the latter a townread, unless I'm remembering wrong) a quote of Chrys's reaction Tae's original push, despite there not being any reason in it.
An example of a game where tae tunneled a town where Chrys was in the game (almost certainly exists, considering Tae's playstyle)
@Seroja I don't have any criticisms. Well produced on point case. If I'm around before EoD and that lynch needs more oomph I'll switch to it.
That being said, I don't think the emotionally detached play style is a cult-tell, but there's definitely something fishy about the fact that it implies a more logical and thought through game style whereas her read on you implies she wasn't reading too deeply.
Moving panda to orange.
Best Lynch for today is still Tom though. He managed to post a long post without acting saying anything of relevance to the game. He contradicted himself in an opportunistic push earlier in game. What's not to Lynch?
@Seroja I told people to stop discussing the bussing. The only reason I outed my theory was because it occurred to me and I really felt like it was worth sharing. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
@Curry sorry, being busy doesn't give that readslist a free pass. You marked 13 players as null, provided 3 completely unoriginal reads, missed 1, and have yet to explain your read on me.
(I, of course, would love to see your read on me.)
The real pivotal problem with that reads list is that it implies you either haven't been paying much attention to the game, which I don't really buy, or that you haven't managed to discern much from the game - which I don't really buy either.
It also means that out of two scumreads, you'd have chosen the one that didn't have a vote on them to chuck a vote on, which also makes no sense.
I just don't really see where you're coming from right now curry, and I hope you can lay your brain out on the table and we can rectify that.
Sorry if this is a mess, I'm practically sleepwalking at this point.
I'll just throw in my reads now. I mulled over this little thing for hours (with lots breaks in btwn lol) and some were rushed because I got lazy. Anyways, I'll probably update some of my reads soon-ish in light of recent development so yeah. No sleep for me tonight.
Starting off with the quiet ones-
Cpu- Awaiting replacement. Didn?t post the first 72 hours because nobody supposedly inform her. Probably not cult.
Wise- Alright guys, Wise have only posted twice since game started. First post was a filler and the second one-
Tasuot- 3 posts in total; 1 of RQS, 2 of fillers. Planned to vote #NL on Day 1 but was too late, and then vanished. Apparently hadn?t logged in since so. Since this is his first game, it?s either he?s cult and was nervous as hell or he?s town and super clueless. Probably will get modkilled anyway.
Athena- Mentioned in her RQS that she?s usually passive with occasional spikes of activity. She also mentioned that she?s usually more active halfway through a game. Can you validate this Curry? Anyway, most of her posts were about her being lost and unable to form opinions. Is this something we?re willing to overlook just because she?s from another forum? I mean, maybe our game moves faster but couldn?t she at least form opinions on 1 or 2 most prominent players? Not to mention, she voted for Daniel (probably sheeped Fleshy) and disappeared. Mostly null but leaning more on scum.
Menchie- Obviously clueless but still made effort to come up with reads and post occasionally. Thank you so much! Her reads seemed genuine and straightforward (example: sussing Tom and entropy for their ?strange? posts and Toads for being emotional) She?s new so this is understandable/something simple to lean on. Town-lean.
Toads- While I don?t agree with some of his methods, he is confirmed town to me. I don?t like using his emotional tone as a reason to town read him because that?s a ****ty way to read ppl. It?s just that you?d have to be blind to not notice his contributions to town so far; pushing people to talk, making reads and comments on people indiscriminately etc. Please ask me to make a separate post on why I townlean him if you so inclined.
Amanda- Like everyone here, I also think that Amanda is town for more or less the same reasons as already stated by almost everyone here (initiative, interrogative posts, insightfulness etc).
Panda- Read my case on her. Scum lean.
Chrys- I can?t pinpoint Chrys?s alignment with confidence because if anyone?s all over the place, it?s her. I mean, she jumped from suspect to suspect by the smallest nudge, I can?t see her stance at all. Initially, she was one of my strongest town lean, but her behaviour on D2 really confused me. Why would she jump on the toad bandwagon based on tae?s flimsy case out of all things?? I really can?t brain this. I might make a separate post just for Chrys if I have time. Null read for now.
Curry- Town lean. Have contributed a lot of very well thought out posts and interrogated people where it mattered. Other reasons for town lean? Transparency, helpfulness and consistency.
Endless- Null now (because I haven?t ISO?d his posts yet lol) but I?ll also make a separate post for him because I need a lot of time to analyse his posts and this list will never be ready in time for EoD if I do that.
Heyden- I didn?t really care for Heyden?s posts throughout the game because he?s a bit all over the place (wild). Even after ISO?ing his posts he came out as null. Please someone help make a proper read on him.
tae- Mostly fillers D1(+ some discussions) and jumped on Toads D2. Tone and confidence could be read as town. I don?t agree with his reads on Toads at all, but town leaning for now.
Fleshy- Probably town. I?m too lazy to explain at this point (I?m not making this list in order fml) but yeah town-ish behaviour overall. Will probably elaborate more later.
mog- Out of all the people here, mog is the one I?ve played with the most, and I?m pretty sure she is town. From D1 mog had been actively questioning/pushing people when necessary and also gave a lot of reads on people and thoughts on situations. Her calm/sensible tone also suggests that she?s town because mog is more aggressive as scum. She?s quieter D2 which she had warned about (being busy with work), but I?ll keep an eye out for any change of tone from her.
Tom- null with a slight town lean (I know, crazy) but I don?t sense anything off with his posts- yes, including the NL thing because it actually made sense this time considering how scattered our votes are right now (and the number of modkills very likely to happen soon). Subject to change.
Duck- Hmm seems to be very fixated on Heyden (easy target?), with nothing much on anything else. Seems like she struggled with making her reads list, but thanks for sharing it! But anyway, slight scum lean.
Iwase- Was barely around but did make some credible reads. Her vote on Chrys is justified imo because Chrys had been jumping around too much D2 to not seem scummy. Possibly town but I?m more comfortable with putting her on null.
Update: I just read Curry's reads on Tom and I must say that was an interesting look at him. I'm gonna take a closer look at Tom, Chrys and Endless hopefully before EoD.
Starting off with the quiet ones-
Cpu- Awaiting replacement. Didn?t post the first 72 hours because nobody supposedly inform her. Probably not cult.
Wise- Alright guys, Wise have only posted twice since game started. First post was a filler and the second one-
So they came in, voiced doubts about trusting anyone, proceeded to place a vote on Toads because ?why not? and then vanished completely. Probably will get modkilled soon. But if I have to read him, I?m torn between town reading or cult leaning him based on this one post. Maybe town for throwing a vote without a care of being seen as sus? Or maybe scum because he?s fairly new and didn?t think much of it?
Tasuot- 3 posts in total; 1 of RQS, 2 of fillers. Planned to vote #NL on Day 1 but was too late, and then vanished. Apparently hadn?t logged in since so. Since this is his first game, it?s either he?s cult and was nervous as hell or he?s town and super clueless. Probably will get modkilled anyway.
Athena- Mentioned in her RQS that she?s usually passive with occasional spikes of activity. She also mentioned that she?s usually more active halfway through a game. Can you validate this Curry? Anyway, most of her posts were about her being lost and unable to form opinions. Is this something we?re willing to overlook just because she?s from another forum? I mean, maybe our game moves faster but couldn?t she at least form opinions on 1 or 2 most prominent players? Not to mention, she voted for Daniel (probably sheeped Fleshy) and disappeared. Mostly null but leaning more on scum.
Menchie- Obviously clueless but still made effort to come up with reads and post occasionally. Thank you so much! Her reads seemed genuine and straightforward (example: sussing Tom and entropy for their ?strange? posts and Toads for being emotional) She?s new so this is understandable/something simple to lean on. Town-lean.
Toads- While I don?t agree with some of his methods, he is confirmed town to me. I don?t like using his emotional tone as a reason to town read him because that?s a ****ty way to read ppl. It?s just that you?d have to be blind to not notice his contributions to town so far; pushing people to talk, making reads and comments on people indiscriminately etc. Please ask me to make a separate post on why I townlean him if you so inclined.
Amanda- Like everyone here, I also think that Amanda is town for more or less the same reasons as already stated by almost everyone here (initiative, interrogative posts, insightfulness etc).
Panda- Read my case on her. Scum lean.
Chrys- I can?t pinpoint Chrys?s alignment with confidence because if anyone?s all over the place, it?s her. I mean, she jumped from suspect to suspect by the smallest nudge, I can?t see her stance at all. Initially, she was one of my strongest town lean, but her behaviour on D2 really confused me. Why would she jump on the toad bandwagon based on tae?s flimsy case out of all things?? I really can?t brain this. I might make a separate post just for Chrys if I have time. Null read for now.
Curry- Town lean. Have contributed a lot of very well thought out posts and interrogated people where it mattered. Other reasons for town lean? Transparency, helpfulness and consistency.
Endless- Null now (because I haven?t ISO?d his posts yet lol) but I?ll also make a separate post for him because I need a lot of time to analyse his posts and this list will never be ready in time for EoD if I do that.
Heyden- I didn?t really care for Heyden?s posts throughout the game because he?s a bit all over the place (wild). Even after ISO?ing his posts he came out as null. Please someone help make a proper read on him.
tae- Mostly fillers D1(+ some discussions) and jumped on Toads D2. Tone and confidence could be read as town. I don?t agree with his reads on Toads at all, but town leaning for now.
Fleshy- Probably town. I?m too lazy to explain at this point (I?m not making this list in order fml) but yeah town-ish behaviour overall. Will probably elaborate more later.
mog- Out of all the people here, mog is the one I?ve played with the most, and I?m pretty sure she is town. From D1 mog had been actively questioning/pushing people when necessary and also gave a lot of reads on people and thoughts on situations. Her calm/sensible tone also suggests that she?s town because mog is more aggressive as scum. She?s quieter D2 which she had warned about (being busy with work), but I?ll keep an eye out for any change of tone from her.
Tom- null with a slight town lean (I know, crazy) but I don?t sense anything off with his posts- yes, including the NL thing because it actually made sense this time considering how scattered our votes are right now (and the number of modkills very likely to happen soon). Subject to change.
Duck- Hmm seems to be very fixated on Heyden (easy target?), with nothing much on anything else. Seems like she struggled with making her reads list, but thanks for sharing it! But anyway, slight scum lean.
Iwase- Was barely around but did make some credible reads. Her vote on Chrys is justified imo because Chrys had been jumping around too much D2 to not seem scummy. Possibly town but I?m more comfortable with putting her on null.
Update: I just read Curry's reads on Tom and I must say that was an interesting look at him. I'm gonna take a closer look at Tom, Chrys and Endless hopefully before EoD.
Iwaseleanor
:)
Lol it really doesn't matter that you unvoted him, you still lead the lynch on him. Besides, you also easily could have just unvoted him to be able to say that you "tried to save him"...
Chrystina
07.09 💜
it doesn't matter that I unvoted him because Athena and you weren't around to unvote as well. just saying. I admire the push on me, and I'm actually town leaning you for it (rather than when I had you at sus) but your reasonings are flawed and weak.
what do people think is off about toad?
i've looked through all his past games now and the only thing i'm noticing is that he's almost always lived until end of the game (daycare mafia, medical mafia, tarot mafia, make mafia grate again) i feel like this is probably a strong reaction to being pretty close to being lynched as town, idk, honestly i trust toad, i don't think he's cult, i'm not getting the same feeling as when he was about to be lynched as mafia, he seemed a little crazed but i'm not getting an overly emotional reaction from the game.
@abe, yeah tfw curry calls u out for having too many null reads but has more than u
i've looked through all his past games now and the only thing i'm noticing is that he's almost always lived until end of the game (daycare mafia, medical mafia, tarot mafia, make mafia grate again) i feel like this is probably a strong reaction to being pretty close to being lynched as town, idk, honestly i trust toad, i don't think he's cult, i'm not getting the same feeling as when he was about to be lynched as mafia, he seemed a little crazed but i'm not getting an overly emotional reaction from the game.
@abe, yeah tfw curry calls u out for having too many null reads but has more than u
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
not to mention, I was criticized for having crappy reads the last time I posted all that... so wouldn't me looking back over it and being more thoughtful about my say be a good thing....
however I'm convinced that Tae and Chrys just really want me to be cult and they will just keep referring to some magical point I or they made that defines me as cult when I am not...
I appreciate Mog, Seroja, Hayden, and Abe for actually looking at what I'm saying and what I have done. The fact you can see how I actually am town makes me respect you guys as players. However, if you are all very serious, we need to coordinate our lynch. I won't list my name now, since you have been vehement about me not doing that... I will vote Panda for now
however I'm convinced that Tae and Chrys just really want me to be cult and they will just keep referring to some magical point I or they made that defines me as cult when I am not...
I appreciate Mog, Seroja, Hayden, and Abe for actually looking at what I'm saying and what I have done. The fact you can see how I actually am town makes me respect you guys as players. However, if you are all very serious, we need to coordinate our lynch. I won't list my name now, since you have been vehement about me not doing that... I will vote Panda for now
Iwaseleanor
:)
@Menchie you haven't given any reason for voting Toad other than saying you're slightly sus of him... What are your reasons?
I think I'll take a lil short nap so that my brain can function better. I'll wake up a few hours before EoD don't worry!
@Abe, thank you and while I'd love for you to make that post now, I think you're probably better off taking a good sleep for now. I'm still unsure if we should vote for Tom tbh. Hopefully you'll be on before EoD tomorrow.
@Chrys, I think you're trusting something that is suggested to be the truth, but not entirely proven (if I'm interpreting that post correctly). I'll look at both tae's and toads' posts again after I wake up. Until then, please don't carelessly ask ppl to vote for Toads if you can't provide a solid case on him.
@Abe, thank you and while I'd love for you to make that post now, I think you're probably better off taking a good sleep for now. I'm still unsure if we should vote for Tom tbh. Hopefully you'll be on before EoD tomorrow.
@Chrys, I think you're trusting something that is suggested to be the truth, but not entirely proven (if I'm interpreting that post correctly). I'll look at both tae's and toads' posts again after I wake up. Until then, please don't carelessly ask ppl to vote for Toads if you can't provide a solid case on him.
Chrystina
07.09 💜
It's not proven, no. But tae as cult would not come into the thread saying "please ****ing sheep me and lynch toad". He also wouldn't asked if toads was bussed. That makes no sense.
@Endless, if you wouldn't mind answering these when you come back - some questions either you missed, or are avoiding.
then tae asked my second question again, after you pointed out that it is possible only players with night actions receive notifications.
All in all, the tunneling on Tom is alarming, the town LOCK on toads is alarming, and not to mention you are ignoring the point I made about tae's question towards toads.
Tbh I'm at like a loss of words of how nobody can look at tae's posts and get it, rather the focus is on 'toad's meta', when quite frankly, toad has ONE game when he was mafia and it was a doctor dethy micro game. that's hardly mafia meta.
CinnamonBuunn
thats not my ravioli!
I'm not sure why I voted him and since I didn't have a good reason, I just unvoted. I didn't really know who else to vote for and I was already sus, but I'm not anymore after I read through the thread again.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
I think its funny, that at the start of this you had me town-lean for my meta... but Tae starts posting about it and you are so focused on that one person's opinion that you can't see there are multiple people also defending me, and you seem unreasonably determined to stick to that Tae's one opinion than look at everyone's opinion.
Also you thought I was town, Tae posts, you change to scum lean... thats fine, you can change your opinion, in fact I encourage to have open-minds and be a big enough person to look on your reads and think about it and change your mind.
However, I was town reading Panda, Seroja posts, I change to scum lean.... but you want to prosecute me more and I gave more of a reasoning to go off of Seroja's post than you gave to following Tae's exaggeration of me. contradictory.
Tunneling is also alarming to you, but you are more than happy to jump on Tae's Toad Tunnel bandwagon.
My question to you is what are you going to think about all those people defending me, when I get lynched and I turn out to be town? You are going to have to have an open mind because those people are smart to look at broader scope of things. You are completely wrong about me and you will find out in due time
all I can say is get ready to eat your words because I'm town through and through and its been in front of you the whole time.
i feel like i understand what you're saying and i'm trying to figure out what it implies in the game. as for toad's meta, it's not much to go on but at least it's something, considering dolby pulled up a discord game on me in the last game and no one batted an eyelid i feel like it's alright to refer to a micro game. and in regards to what seroja said, i know meta isn't everything, i totally understand that and i don't want to focus on it too much but i'm mentioning it only because other people keep referring to him as 'off' which i'm assuming means in regard to other games he has played
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@toad but like if u are town u surely can't think all of the ppl defending u are town too? (i don't mean to like implicate myself cause i know i'm town but idk, itd be a good idea for at least one person to make themselves look good by defending u)
@Chrys, nobody's saying tae's scum. I'm just saying, just because you town lock him, does not make his reads on Toads 100% right. But yes I see what you implied with the bussing statement but I'm not happy with following/believing it just yet. I want to hear it directly from tae. But to me this pretty much put you in the clear again, I guess.
Since this game uses a closed setup, we have no idea what other roles there are so I'm not comfortable with jumping to conclusions just yet.
//slips into bed again.
Since this game uses a closed setup, we have no idea what other roles there are so I'm not comfortable with jumping to conclusions just yet.
//slips into bed again.
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