btw right now i'm trusting of both of you @BetsySundrop and @Antonio - your responses are coming fast and easy and passionate. not manufactured like the boy band of mafia lol. it's obvious who i suspect based on that. but, at this point i am still too emotionally flip-flopped from my paranoid Damniel theory that I don't know if I can trust my judgement.
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BetsySundrop
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I had daniel already, so I dont think it was sneaky. It was close though, and I dont like that clock running down so just make a decision already then.
Antonio
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I mean, my change of vote did put the kill on Catharina. If I didn't change my vote then Betsy would have a somewhat valid excuse to distance themselves from Catarina in the event they are killed the day 3 if Koopa possibly flipped town. Betsy obviously is new so they can apply to my theory as well, even if I did town read them near EOD. A Betsy/Catharina/Koopa sus pools seems extremely believable ngl.
The Damniel Flip lacks justifications compared to my change of vote, it is not similar to your change of vote, Betsy. I'll put them as Null atm.
To clarify the differences between our votes, Betsy vote came from a place of Panic and Uncertainty of their previous vote while my vote came from a place of proper reasoning and justification. They may have sus read them early like my change of vote, but I had a proper motive for changing besides "I wasn't sure in my opinions".
The Damniel Flip lacks justifications compared to my change of vote, it is not similar to your change of vote, Betsy. I'll put them as Null atm.
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To clarify the differences between our votes, Betsy vote came from a place of Panic and Uncertainty of their previous vote while my vote came from a place of proper reasoning and justification. They may have sus read them early like my change of vote, but I had a proper motive for changing besides "I wasn't sure in my opinions".
I think I can relate to Betsy... despite sharing detailed reads on individuals in the early game, her choice seemed motivated by an emotional moment. Her posts, now, seem to match that emotional footprint for me. That's why I was calling her an evil genius earlier; I think it's a rare skill (and a scary one, lol) to be able to quickly and easily act spurred by emotion.
BetsySundrop
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I dont think your vote would have put the kill on catharina? If so, then yes, I should have kept it. I wasn't keeping count, I was just trying to pick.
And if you thought my damniel vote lacked justification, again- why not speak up when dan had 3 votes (including mine), or when dan and I were discussing his theory, or when I explained exactly why I was voting dan in the first place?
Antonio
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Yes but emotional reasoning is a weak excuse that can easily be stated by Mafia.
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They had 24hrs to work on the emotional excuse, did they not? I don't recall them stating their reasoning before EOD regarding their change of vote. I, however, stated my reasoning near EOD.
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It would've if you had kept your vote. Look at the votes.
I am not stating your reasoning lacked justification, you have quite frankly justified it for the last page. I am stating that your justification is weak compared to mine, and could've easily been worked on for the last 24hrs. That's how our votes are different.
I also do not recall you saying you changed your vote near EOD, causing it to fly under the radar.
BetsySundrop
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It's actually embarrassing and not helpful. I can think logically, clearly, and pay attention to detail....if I'm not under pressure. Thats why I say, this time, I'm going to outline my reasoning and cast my vote probably around noon on eod. That's it. Then check back at 2 to see results. I think I will make a better decision that way.
I agree that anyone can claim emotional reasoning, but for me, Betsy's responses now seem in-line with the emotions displayed near the end of D2.
This is true. But having 24hr to prepare a statement is different from preparing to post like... ten times in 50 minutes! I'll have to think on it.
BetsySundrop
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I had one minute- 1!, to decide to change my vote or not. I did post after I changed it and said how bananas it was (meaning the last minute discussion).
Antonio
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You had 10 minutes near EOD.
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Yes, but I was able to justify my reasoning almost instantly after changing their vote. They could have released a simple statement before EOD, right? They had 10 minutes.
My last post about sussing Damniel was at literally a minute before the deadline...
I ain't proud of it, and I see the consequences it can have.
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This one.
Antonio
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They were literally here near EOD, judging by this post. 10 minutes is more than enough time to make a statement.
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Yes but we are talking about votes, you voted for daniel way before that. I'm referring to Betsy who had more than enough time to state their reasoning before then.
BetsySundrop
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No offense, but you are sus to me now. You are making false claims and I don't understand it. I posted long (walls) reads detailing exactly why I would vote dan, and exactly why I would vote catharina. So you saying I didnt have a reason and not responding to the fact that I did indeed post reasoning and justification, is causing me to sus you.
If you missed my long posts, go back and read them.
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I don't think I saw that until after I voted. I voted, came back and posted, and then saw the other postings.
Antonio
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No, you're sus because you aren't understanding what I'm saying and are intentionally or unintentionally putting words into my mouth. As I have stated before, I AINT TALKING ABOUT JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR KILL. I'm saying you had more than enough time to announce your change of vote but didn't, please do not start putting words into my mouth. All I am doing is making a point that my change of vote was properly stated before EOD unlike yours, plus I explained my motives why I CHANGED MY VOTE (not why I voted for them) unlike you.
BetsySundrop
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Yep. You are definitely on my sus list now. Another false claim. I DID post after I voted. And I did not have 10 minutes. I had 1. Big difference. I was reading the posts, dicussing, trying to decide to switch BACK to my original vote. And I did state my reasoning.
And if you think I might have been trying to "save" catharina, that's dumb. Because she is first on my list this time around. You are second for these false claims and no response to my correcting them.
Hey, uh, I think you two are talking past each other a little:
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Betsy changed out of emotion between two options, both measured earlier as roughly equal.
IMO she did explain her reasoning for the change with her last post, the "this is bananas" one. uncertainty and panic. not a good reason constructed out of logic, which betsy has more or less owned up to already.
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Betsy changed out of emotion between two options, both measured earlier as roughly equal.
IMO she did explain her reasoning for the change with her last post, the "this is bananas" one. uncertainty and panic. not a good reason constructed out of logic, which betsy has more or less owned up to already.
Antonio
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My apologies, it wasn't 10. It was 1, but you could have explained it further. I still think a minute is more then enough time to state "Oh hey, I changed my vote to daniel instead".
(just chiming in to agree it would have been better, esp. as town, to at least let everyone know in this thread that you switched your vote @BetsySundrop. i didn't think much of it because i was staring at both threads madly.)
BetsySundrop
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Im not putting words in your mouth, that is not true. I had no time for anything, which us why I think eod was stupid. That was the first time I had ever actually been in eod "action". And it was awful. And you may want to go back and see what time I made my last post, because that was right when i voted, and i am sure it couldn't have been 10 minutes. I did not have much time to put anything at all.
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