New censor bypass rule

[That Zephyr Guy]

Like for example there are difference between a ecchi/fanservice pic showing some bikini girls or swimming trunks boys (as long as it's not loli or shota, then it's mostly illegal of course) and some drawing a lady with big boobs and no clothes on, just to make the example clearer. And as for non-fiction or real pictures there are differences between a random playboy nude shot and a hardcore porn video.

Ah okay that makes sense.


And yeah, that's why I dialed it back to just nudity.


Sometimes I'd like to draw some stuff with artistic nudity, but then I realize I'd never be able to post it here so whats the point? It's nothing to complain about though, those are simply the rules even if I see no issue with nudity in that sense.

 

[Alienfish]

Yeah, I did narrow it down to that. As much importance as you brought up the gay issue, when have I ever posted I was against that community I know several gay people and non-cis ones well so that was a bit uh.

Might have been for images but I think they have a word one as well, haven't been on there for over half a year. Would still be a nice option on words though.

And yeah I respect people's religion as long as they don't bring it up in useless arguments. I think cussing and swearing are parts of more peoples' lives than those opposing it and I think most people on this site can be mature enough to handle it. There are worse words than s-word and f-word(typing it like this for the purpose of the post, not trying to bypass anything) that should be looked at instead, and if they purposely make it 10 times in a row, that is one thing they could do warn for. Sometimes you just need a more powerful word than 'dangit'.

As for certain words, I could easily go pester people who write 'bae' cause it means poop and makes me cringe, but no I don't. Sometimes I use it myself in a mocking way even.

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Ah okay that makes sense.


And yeah, that's why I dialed it back to just nudity.


Sometimes I'd like to draw some stuff with artistic nudity, but then I realize I'd never be able to post it here so whats the point? It's nothing to complain about though, those are simply the rules even if I see no issue with nudity in that sense.

Yeah I think that nudity/porn rule is fair enough though cause it can give bad images of bodies and give people wrong ideals to me rather than the body itself, we're all nude. And I don't think people here draw that hardcore but yeah I get your point at least they have that on ban altogether it seems.

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

Yeah I think that nudity/porn rule is fair enough though cause it can give bad images of bodies and give people wrong ideals to me rather than the body itself, we're all nude. And I don't think people here draw that hardcore but yeah I get your point at least they have that on ban altogether it seems.

Well I mean if we're drawing the line on all of it because some nudity can create a bad image why can't we do the same for swears?

Slurs create a very very bad image of certain sexualities, races, and religions, so I don't really see the difference in these examples.

 

[Alienfish]

Well I mean if we're drawing the line on all of it because some nudity can create a bad image why can't we do the same for swears?

Slurs create a very very bad image of certain sexualities, races, and religions, so I don't really see the difference in these examples.

Good point, but since it came into light... I don't think they are to overused and if people have problem and use them 24*7 that is another thing, I just think the filter itself is ridiculous when you can bypass so easily, they just need a fix with the space and letters right.

In regards to images they can be artistic or just pure porn and I guess people differ in that. To me those things in general are worse than cussing a bit now and then, I mean I don't use like n-word, p-word or stuff like some really slurring people do on certain other internet places.

I guess artistic nudity could be allowed as long as you don't draw nips and organs but yeah people would probably go around that too so I guess that's why the rule is one. But as I said it's fair cause then we can't really bypass if it says no nudity at all.

 

[LethalLulu]

It was because of the correlation I saw. I wasn't at all implying you were against gay people. I always got the opposite impression. If you can accept gay people for who they are, why not people with religion? Which is the impression I got with "but I don't get why they have to bring religion into this crap; that grinds my gears". Again, it definitely seems you are tunneling on the fact I brought up religion, when I brought it up as a very minor example. I actually believe it accounts for a very small portion of the site. I only brought it up because I could follow up with a real life example.

I also agree; swearing bring a lot to my life. Swear words are actually stored in a different part of your brain than other words, and people with dementia and alzheimers (sp?) who lose speech lose these words last, or can only recall swear words. Swearing can make you feel better, but there's a time and place for it, and this site happens to not be one of those.

I, however, do tell people I talk to not to use certain offensive language around me. There's a difference between a word that makes you cringe, and one that genuinely offends you/makes you feel uncomfortable/not safe.

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

Good point, but since it came into light... I don't think they are to overused and if people have problem and use them 24*7 that is another thing, I just think the filter itself is ridiculous when you can bypass so easily, they just need a fix with the space and letters right.

That would be an EXCEPTIONALLY difficult task. They would have to take every single conceivable swear, and add not only the variations that include breaks with spaces, but variations with multiple breaks with spaces, breaks with symbols, written with different letters, written with symbols... I could go on honestly.

They would have to manually add each and every one of those. It's honestly way easier and more intuitive to just ask users to not try to deliberately bypass it.

In regards to images they can be artistic or just pure porn and I guess people differ in that. To me those things in general are worse than cussing a bit now and then, I mean I don't use like n-word, p-word or stuff like some really slurring people do on certain other internet places.

I guess artistic nudity could be allowed as long as you don't draw nips and organs but yeah people would probably go around that too so I guess that's why the rule is one. But as I said it's fair cause then we can't really bypass if it says no nudity at all.

100% agree.

 

[Alienfish]

Well they did bring that up, that was what annoyed me with the post(not yours some others). I mean there are a lot of offensive posts and people here so there are always some things that's gonna flip regardless.

Well, then it's good we have a filter but I just think it's a bit stupid to hunt down those who bypass it just like that, I mean we can most of the time work out what's behind the asterisks anyways.

And yes there are some bad words that annoys me but I've learned just to not care and ignore that crap throughout the years and to be honest unless someone are being rude in public or using it at the wrong point etc. it's no biggie and yes there are certain times you should not use them (or avoid those places if you wanna use them still) like, I don't know churches or whatever, some people are just way too time-wasters on telling other people not to (well I will probably be the reverse, I just think the filter should be proper and warnings used to harsher things).

 

[N a t]

I just can't recall a single time, since I became active, where the mods let something so controversial remain open for a very long period of time. That's all. I've been reading though, and will continue to do so quietly from here on.

 

[Alienfish]

@Zephyr yes, true but they already have the filters with those certain words they and we all know so it could be that, but I think it's really funny that they PM like every user who does that unless they do it like 10 times each day.

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I just can't recall a single time, since I became active, where the mods let something so controversial remain open for a very long period of time. That's all. I've been reading though, and will continue to do so quietly from here on.

There have been things in Brewster's and such remained open, closed, re-opened and stuff but I guess they will unless they think it's done and close it or if it turns harsh flame/troll war.

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

I don't really think this debate/argument is out of control or that anyone is being too hostile, but I have a feeling this may get closed if this continues anyways.

I just can't recall a single time, since I became active, where the mods let something so controversial remain open for a very long period of time. That's all. I've been reading though, and will continue to do so quietly from here on.

Please stop these kinds of posts. This isn't remotely controversial and everyone is discussing this 100% civilly. This contributes literally nothing to the conversation and is actually far more reportable than anything else this thread has had to offer.

If you have an issue with the thread, please, just quietly report it.

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@Zephyr yes, true but they already have the filters with those certain words they and we all know so it could be that, but I think it's really funny that they PM like every user who does that unless they do it like 10 times each day.

I agree as well, but I can see where they're coming from - if you crack down on it hard enough, eventually people will be deterred from doing it. I still believe an optional swear filter would fix all of this.

 

[LethalLulu]

Well they did bring that up, that was what annoyed me with the post(not yours some others). I mean there are a lot of offensive posts and people here so there are always some things that's gonna flip regardless.

Well, then it's good we have a filter but I just think it's a bit stupid to hunt down those who bypass it just like that, I mean we can most of the time work out what's behind the asterisks anyways.

And yes there are some bad words that annoys me but I've learned just to not care and ignore that crap throughout the years and to be honest unless someone are being rude in public or using it at the wrong point etc. it's no biggie and yes there are certain times you should not use them (or avoid those places if you wanna use them still) like, I don't know churches or whatever, some people are just way too time-wasters on telling other people not to (well I will probably be the reverse, I just think the filter should be proper and warnings used to harsher things).

Oh, I have no idea what post you're referring to. That's true, and that's inevitable. I grew up with my dad telling me "there's nothing you can say that won't offend someone". Like I said, I am an extremely vulgar person. If you spend 20 minutes with me in a discord call, you'll notice that. But the second someone asks me not to say a certain word, I never say it around them. I actually had a really bad habit of using one word and I came across a friend that hates it, so I've completely gotten out of the habit of using it entirely. (I had planned for this, but this was the motivation to get me to stop cold.)

Well, I doubt they'll be "hunted down", but just reported. I'm sure as mods go across the forums as they normally do, they'll dish out warnings to those who do it, just like anything else that breaks any rule.

I have never wasted time telling people not to use a certain word for it. I have a friend that has a really bad habit of saying that word, but when he does in a discord call with me, he goes "SORRY!" immediately without me prompting him. I've had another friend a few years back who did the exact same thing. I only had to ask the both of them once not to say that word, it would just slip sometimes.

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I really like and respect Moko (hope it's ok I still call you that ; w ; ) so this won't turn into a flame war.

 

[N a t]

Please stop these kinds of posts. This isn't remotely controversial and everyone is discussing this 100% civilly. This contributes literally nothing to the conversation and is actually far more reportable than anything else this thread has had to offer.

If you have an issue with the thread, please, just quietly report it.

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I agree as well, but I can see where they're coming from - if you crack down on it hard enough, eventually people will be deterred from doing it. I still believe an optional swear filter would fix all of this.

I know I said I would remain quiet, but I wanted to come back to apologize, because I had no idea that sharing my opinion on the thread would become an issue. I never intended to imply that anyone was being uncivil. I'm just a sociable person, and I like to share my opinion with others. I have no issue with this thread though, and I honestly disagree that my comments were reportable, because I do not believe I broke any rules, but if I did, please let me know. Again, just wanted to share my opinion, with no ill intentions.

 

[Red Cat]

That's extremely discriminatory to say someone's not allowed here because of their religion. Are they simply not allowed to use the internet because they are uncomfortable around these words? And actually, if that's the case, this site would be perfect for them since, wow wow wow, guess what, swearing is against the rules. If someone came here because they enjoyed the fact that swearing is not allowed, why would you tell them to leave?

No one is saying that people are not allowed to use this site because of their religion. If you absolutely hate swear words because of your religion and a site has swear words on it, then the decision whether to click or not is your choice; no one else is prohibiting you from visiting that site. Saying that a website with swear words discriminates against religious people is like saying a butcher discriminates against vegans. If people joined because this site does not allow swearing, then it would be their choice whether to leave or not if the site did not censor swearing at all. Even though searing is technically not allowed here, it happens all the time anyway so if people are that deeply offended by it, they have probably left already. My guess is if we polled the users here, more people would say "let people do what they want as long as it's respectful of others" than "let's keep this a safe space for young and religious people" since the latter often drives people away from sites.

 

[inkling]

im happy about this rule being enforced. i always was a little annoyed when obnoxious rude people posted like this thinking they were clever or funny. super annoying.

 

[Alienfish]

Oh, I have no idea what post you're referring to. That's true, and that's inevitable. I grew up with my dad telling me "there's nothing you can say that won't offend someone". Like I said, I am an extremely vulgar person. If you spend 20 minutes with me in a discord call, you'll notice that. But the second someone asks me not to say a certain word, I never say it around them. I actually had a really bad habit of using one word and I came across a friend that hates it, so I've completely gotten out of the habit of using it entirely. (I had planned for this, but this was the motivation to get me to stop cold.)

Well, I doubt they'll be "hunted down", but just reported. I'm sure as mods go across the forums as they normally do, they'll dish out warnings to those who do it, just like anything else that breaks any rule.

I have never wasted time telling people not to use a certain word for it. I have a friend that has a really bad habit of saying that word, but when he does in a discord call with me, he goes "SORRY!" immediately without me prompting him. I've had another friend a few years back who did the exact same thing. I only had to ask the both of them once not to say that word, it would just slip sometimes.

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I really like and respect Moko (hope it's ok I still call you that ; w ; ) so this won't turn into a flame war.

Yeah I am way more cussing in private chats and IRL and then I do it in random languages as well but indeed I try not to use personal or direct offenses, I just use the less bad ones. And if something REALLY annoys me yes then I tell them of course but I'm usually not that easily offended, so.

Back on topic, I just think it's a bit silly and time-consuming but if they think they have the time and resources go for it I guess, I just don't want it to turn into a sole thing for them to focus on when there are way worse offenses to be done here and if you write around the s-word it's should be big deal, then we could ban poop, crap and stuff as well.

(yes go ahead and yeah me neither, i just think the idea and rule is a bit meh in general).

 

[LethalLulu]

No one is saying that people are not allowed to use this site because of their religion. If you absolutely hate swear words because of your religion and a site has swear words on it, then the decision whether to click or not is your choice; no one else is prohibiting you from visiting that site. Saying that a website with swear words discriminates against religious people is like saying a butcher discriminates against vegans. If people joined because this site does not allow swearing, then it would be their choice whether to leave or not if the site did not censor swearing at all. Even though searing is technically not allowed here, it happens all the time anyway so if people are that deeply offended by it, they have probably left already. My guess is if we polled the users here, more people would say "let people do what they want as long as it's respectful of others" than "let's keep this a safe space for young and religious people" since the latter often drives people away from sites.

"No one is saying that people are not allowed to use this site because of their religion"

That's actually exactly what you said.

"If a person is really religious and gets offended by swear words, that person can go somewhere else"

Pulled these straight from your posts.

"Saying that a website with swear words discriminates against religious people"

I didn't say the site was discriminatory, I said your posts were.

"If you absolutely hate swear words because of your religion and a site has swear words on it, then the decision whether to click or not is your choice; no one else is prohibiting you from visiting that site"

But...this site bans swear words. This only supports my point further.

"it happens all the time anyway"

And with this new rule, it will stop happening, or people will be banned for it.


Again, I pointed this out previously, but I simply used religion as one minor example, and I used it because I could follow it up with a personal, real-world example.

 

[Alienfish]

No one is saying that people are not allowed to use this site because of their religion. If you absolutely hate swear words because of your religion and a site has swear words on it, then the decision whether to click or not is your choice; no one else is prohibiting you from visiting that site. Saying that a website with swear words discriminates against religious people is like saying a butcher discriminates against vegans. If people joined because this site does not allow swearing, then it would be their choice whether to leave or not if the site did not censor swearing at all. Even though searing is technically not allowed here, it happens all the time anyway so if people are that deeply offended by it, they have probably left already. My guess is if we polled the users here, more people would say "let people do what they want as long as it's respectful of others" than "let's keep this a safe space for young and religious people" since the latter often drives people away from sites.

Well good points, you have a choice to click but that doesn't mean one should go bat**** because of it. If something annoys either report it or stay away from people or don't go there at all. And for your last point yes, I'd rather think people want a more "mature" place rather than Neopets style discussions where you pretty much have to bypass everything to even type a civil non-swear, non-whatever discussion.

And yeah they have a choice and yeah too kid-friendly rules tend to tick people off if there were a more adult/mature audience from the start.

 

[LethalLulu]

Yeah I am way more cussing in private chats and IRL and then I do it in random languages as well but indeed I try not to use personal or direct offenses, I just use the less bad ones. And if something REALLY annoys me yes then I tell them of course but I'm usually not that easily offended, so.

Back on topic, I just think it's a bit silly and time-consuming but if they think they have the time and resources go for it I guess, I just don't want it to turn into a sole thing for them to focus on when there are way worse offenses to be done here and if you write around the s-word it's should be big deal, then we could ban poop, crap and stuff as well.

(yes go ahead and yeah me neither, i just think the idea and rule is a bit meh in general).

Yah, I'm not easily offended, either. There's really only one one-word that offends me. Other things that offend me are people not being accepting (in terms of gender more-so than anything else, but race, etc, etc, included). That's really it as far as I can think of. There are other things that bother me for certain reasons, like the new trend of saying "kill yourself", "kys", and "kill myself" in humorous/not serious situations as it desensitizes the phrase/idea, and someone who it actually suicidal may not be taken as seriously. It's just something that should always be taken seriously in every aspect as it is a very real, and very big issue.

I don't prefer the rule either, but I understand why it's in place. TBT is, in a sense, a business (albeit they don't make money from this) who needs to be appealing to their target market, which in this case is the younger crowd.

 

[Red Cat]

That's actually exactly what you said.

"If a person is really religious and gets offended by swear words, that person can go somewhere else"

Pulled these straight from your posts.

I meant to say that if a person gets offended by swear words because of their religion (or any other reason), then that person can, but is not forced to visit another website. If a person is very religious, but doesn't mind the fact that other people swear, then that person is more than welcome.

It's nice that you don't swear around you religious friends out of respect for them, but if I don't care about being friends with those people, then it's not my responsibility to alter my behavior just to make them feel comfortable. I get that there's a line that needs to be drawn as it's not okay to call people nasty names if I don't care about being friends with them, but just casually swearing around people who don't like it is not offensive in itself.

 

[LethalLulu]

I meant to say that if a person gets offended by swear words because of their religion (or any other reason), then that person can, but is not forced to visit another website. If a person is very religious, but doesn't mind the fact that other people swear, then that person is more than welcome.

It's nice that you don't swear around you religious friends out of respect for them, but if I don't care about being friends with those people, then it's not my responsibility to alter my behavior just to make them feel comfortable. I get that there's a line that needs to be drawn as it's not okay to call people nasty names if I don't care about being friends with them, but just casually swearing around people who don't like it is not offensive in itself.

No, it's not your responsibility to be respectful around them, but it's what a decent human being would do. Casual swearing may not be offensive to you, but it can be to a lot of people. Not one person can determine what can and cannot, or does or does not offend people. Everyone is an individual with different beliefs, backgrounds, and history. It's up to you if you want to censor yourself or not around some people, but you should think about how it will reflect upon you as a person.

Also, similar to how I never swore around my religious friends, I also never swore around my friends that were significantly younger than me. I said in my original post "and my friends who are a handful of years younger than me." IMMEDIATELY after I said I never swore around my religious friends, but it's really funny how that went completely unnoticed.