Mafia Papers Please Mafia: Game Over, Town Wins!

[Dolby]

Post links don't work because technology sucks. Working on it

 

[Trojan]

I'm back from school. What questions do you want me to answer?

 

[N e s s]

Cause they arent playing like they want to help town. If anything they want to hurt town

Explain this with proof and explanations.

 

[Trojan]

Explain this with proof and explanations.

Basically Tom and Minties arent doing anything productive and are pinning blame from previous games on me.

Firstly - Policy lynches are fking stupid, its basically taking a stab in the dark or a free kill for the mafia

That can't be right Sataric, Dolby has standard and Trojan couldn't possibly meet them. However aside from the lie at the end of your post, that is some grade-a posting.

Honestly I know some people don't like it but unless we have a major slip today I would really like to lynch Trojan, Runeraider or Kit. Trojan mostly because he never helps town and is a general thorn in our side even throughout endgame. Runeraider I honestly don't remember enough of their playstyle and their most recent game while it made sense for them to hide in the background, if we see that kind of activity again it could be an annoying final few days for town. Kit is annoying like Trojan, however out of the group I've suggested they tend to be the more useful of the group.

This is a really weird post and either I dont understand what tom is thinking or he is mafia. So you want to lynch Runeraider cause you cant read them/ dont understand how they play and you want to lynch me and Kit for being annoying? HOW IS THIS PRODUCTIVE, HOW IS THIS TOWN PLAY?

 

[Dolby]

Post Links should all work now

 

[PandaDarling]

@Ness in your QT with Sarasakat and Sataricwhat was in post #19 that was deleted and what was changed in post #29 that was edited.

and if we are going to point out the change in behavior of Trojan then i think it should also be said that Daniel is acting peculiar seeing that he is usually one of the players with the highest post count and we have barely heard from him.

 

[N e s s]

@Ness in your QT with Sarasakat and Sataricwhat was in post #19 that was deleted and what was changed in post #29 that was edited.

and if we are going to point out the change in behavior of Trojan then i think it should also be said that Daniel is acting peculiar seeing that he is usually one of the players with the highest post count and we have barely heard from him.

In post 29, I said "Tom is scummy" to look for a reaction in SarasaKat, and in #19 it was personal to Sataric that shouldn't have been revealed to public.

 

[Heyden]

@Ness in your QT with Sarasakat and Sataricwhat was in post #19 that was deleted and what was changed in post #29 that was edited.

thx 4 the invite <33

 

[PandaDarling]

thx 4 the invite <33

excuse me ? what ?

 

[N e s s]

thx 4 the invite <33

Excuse me, we never invited you to that QT.

 

[Heyden]

it was sarcasm but w/e

 

[Sataric]

Had a bit of sleep and now I am back again, going over the thread.

I think the focus shifted too much towards the "Policy Lynch vs No Policy Lynch" debate and I never intended for that to happen. However, I think it may be worth considering the sheer amount of people that was eager to jump aboard that idea to seem more Pro-Town. Furthermore, I think a No Lynch option is nearly always a bad idea since it puts very little information into our hands to work with as future days come on by.

@ Minties - It is definitely true that I used to join in on the Cory lynches quite happily back in the days, but that was well over a year ago now - And I was actually given a fair bit of grief for it in your BioShock Mafia game and ended up getting lynched Day 1. (Whoops!) After that, I actually sent Cory a heartfelt apology for my behavior towards them and I told myself I'd be a little bit more friendly from that point onwards. It's hardly hypocritical to learn from your mistakes. Furthermore, I did not CLEAR anyone - Merely said that I didn't find Zoolka's initial posts very scummy. If anything, they learned towards "slightly confused". Noone is cleared, so please do not put words into my mouth.

I also found it really interesting how SarasaKat backpacked on Sataric's posts, then Jacob and Ness. The main thing I noticed is that they all went after Tom, even though I suggested the exact same thing. I also want to point out that Ness said that the Trojan lynch was a **** lynch, but then voted for Trojan less than an hour after that post. The scummiest player to me right now appears to be Ness.

I noticed that SarasaKat was doing a lot of "I actually agree with >Insert name here!<" as well, which I find suspicious. I have a feeling that SarasaKat did so because if/once they flip red, it makes the people she stuck closer to look far more suspicious. I think it might be a deliberate tactic.

I'd never rule him out as inno because he has had a massive style change this game. I'm not opposed to actually lynching him for real (not based on policy), but I'd like to see what Ness is going to say first.

Indeed - Trojan is starting to look like a pretty valid choice by now. I also think that Panda is acting rather suspicious. I feel like Ness is getting killed off pretty early most games but that he's town half the time or more, so I cannot say that I think he's the best target currently. Also, since he added me to his QuickTopic very early on in the game I have spoken more with him than most, and I find him to be leaning towards the towns-best-interest-in-mind side. But don't quote me on that.

How busy are you currently/this week?
Got quite a few things on my agenda but will try to always vote on time. Today, in a few hours, I will be reformatting my entire hard-drive and reinstalling my operative system from scratch. Ugh. So maybe I'll be less chatty for a while. Should be all done by Night 1 in case things don't go completely haywire and I still have my phone to vote from until then.

 

[Trojan]

Everyone is just going to ignore my post

 

[PandaDarling]

it was sarcasm but w/e

@Doughssant do you have anything else to contribute other than sarcasm and basically nothing ?

Everyone is just going to ignore my post

Trojan i havent ignored you post I've read what you said and have taken it into consideration.

 

[Sataric]

Everyone is just going to ignore my post

In your post, you write "Basically, Tom and Minties aren't doing anything productive.." but didn't they both contribute with quite a few bits and pieces of information during the last few pages? Especially Minties made a pretty serious contribution with one big post and several smaller ones answering questions or further explaining her thoughts. There's pleeeenty of people in this game that is far less productive than them.

That said, the post that you quoted from Tom is not his best, and you do make a valid point that it's not very Pro-Town to make such a post at a very early stage in the game. You could argue that he was really pushing towards making the day less productive overall by forwarding a multitude of names of players that would be easy to get people to bandwagon towards.

Let me ask you some questions, though;

Let's say that we ignore Tom - Your primary suspect - For now.
1. Who else would you list as scummy and suspicious?
2. Whom are you thinking of voting for today? Are you set on Tom already?
3. Do you feel that people have a right to be concerned about leaving you in the game?
4. Do you feel that you are playing differently this game compared to normal?
5. Are you Mafia or Third-party?
6. What's your opinion on Kit and Runeraider, the other two people Tom brought up?
7. If you think Tom is scum, whom do you see could be on a scum team with him?

 

[Ayaya]

But it makes sense does it not? Scum wouldn't ask scum to make a QT with them this openly even if not literally. Also, its not "unhelpful" for me to point out something that is clearly town if it doesn't have any scum reads with them.

That pet theory I made was right when the game started, so of course it wasn't going to have anything along with it.

This is going nowhere. Am I not being clear enough with what I'm saying?

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As I said, here are each players' opinion on Tom's suggestion, excepting Tom's cause he's the one who came up with it and obv would try to convince others to go with his suggestion & Trojan's cause he's the one up for lynch with most votes atm.

Spoiler

Can we just policy lynch Trojan because I really don't have the patience to play with him?

This is why Wisdom of the Crowd is important. What information would be possibly obtain by policy lynching someone?

There was no WotC in this game. If there was, I'm sure most of us would have voted Trojan (pancake king troll) or doughssant (who's just going to get banned in a few days and then get modkilled, ****ing over whatever team they're on). It depends, I'm not sure if you were around to remember the saga of Cory, 50% of the time policy lynching him Day One turned up red. He used to spam the game and generally derail town with trolling. Day One is always a stab in the dark and you'd be insane to think it's not. That's why it's usually reserved for spammers or trollers that effect town badly in the late game due to fake/silly claims/gif spam/whatever. Since you seem so keen on pulling a magical case out of Day One, I'll wait to hear from you then.

Oh yes, I fondly remember Cory. That little bugger. Hah.

Day 1 is definitely a stab in the dark, but less so in a PM game than otherwise. You can get much better and much more personal reads on people depending on how the act towards you behind the scenes and compare it to their behavior within the thread itself. But still, all you have to work with in the end is your instincts, analyzing the meta, and making the best possible "guesstimations" you can.

That said, I strongly believe that encouraging discussion between the players involved in the game as much as possible on day 1 can be very helpful to Town during later phases of the game, and a "Let's just all agree to remove Trojan" approach eliminates that aspect as everyone would then be inclined to bandwagon and you couldn't tell the Trojan-haters apart from the scummies. I feel that a policy lynch should not be the main topic of conversation with something like 40 hours left in the day. Around half the people playing has not even checked in yet.

@Sataric

I feel like you're taking my statement way too seriously considering I'm only one player in this game and I didn't even vote for him after my statement. Seems a bit odd to me that you're getting so defensive of a possible suggestion to lynch a **** poster. Obviously we're going to wait until some time has passed, but there's no reason to not consider lynching someone that will completely annoying if they're town.

The timezones this game are going to be annoying.

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Yeah because whining about how the mods hate you and antagonising them totally isn't going to get you banned again. FFS man.

Wait, people don't like Trojan?

He told me irl that he was good.

LYNCH THE LIAR GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA

Agreeing with Sataric here. The discussion on who should we policy lynch would make sense with only a few hours left to vote and we're stumped?but not when the game just started a few hours ago. Unless Tom was looking for reactions?

I'm guessing the silent players are exchanging PMs/talking in QTs with each other instead. I won't approach someone first unless they're trustworthy (so not Tom) so you won't get any PM from me this early, but if you want to ask me something, feel free to do so.

i don't dislike you trojan. haha

So you're saying Rune is a possible lynch because you can't read them? As a side note, I believe policy lynching is a bunch of bogus until we have no other options.

I don't see why anyone would turn down a quicktopic. Of course trust is an issue, but even if you agree to not share information, being able to get reads on someone in a one-on-one conversation? That sounds like that's only beneficial to me. So I'm not sure if I like Ayaya denying the QT, but I DID like Ayaya and Sataric pointing out the flaws of agreeing on a policy lynch.

SarasaKat
suspicious and kind of odd: Lynching someone just because being annoying (if you'd be townie, why would you risk getting rid of some of yours?)

allies worthy: no one yet, so many players, who looks like they make a mess just... to make a mess.

everyone looks suspicious or dangerous, just like in real life. Trying to find trustworthy friends here is going to be a hard task, but let's hope for success.

From how much variety we are getting from Tom right now I'm pretty sure he is reaction testing, although he obviously sucks at it.

Hi
i have no reads other than Tom obviously acting a little strange

as for the "quiet members getting PMs or in a QT" i have not received anything nor made any allies so hmu fam

Interesting that you say this, when i've been communicating on my own with things. Besides, I already made that big pet theory with Tom and Ayaya with the Day 1 evidence that we have.

I also don't know how much I want a policy lynch day 1, as it will just waste what we can make of this day time that we have to actually figure out something. All we get from Trojan's lynch is the people who suggested it and didn't suggest it.

First off, I don't understand why people were bashing Trojan, don't distract town on something that can't be changed anymore(him playing this game.)

Secondly, I don't like it when people are asking for pms. You really only want people who you can trust to pm you and pm and people you want to work with/interrogate. If you're not in a pm ring, good, it's too early to form them.

Thirdly, ☆〜（ゝ。∂）

And that's about it besides the typical cringe posting on day 1.


I do have some questions I'd like for you guys to answer to help me write reads and stuff. No need to answer them though.
What should we call you?(nicknames)
What are your preferred pronouns? prevents awkward confusion if I accidently miss pronoun you.
What is your time zone?

I'll answer them myself:
1. Daniel/CMD or anything along those lines are fine.
2. He/Him
3. Eastern, it's 5:30pm for me right now

Cause no trouble.

What should we call you? Panda
What are your preferred pronouns? She/Her
What is your time zone?PST

ok um. i just want to quickly say that i do see both sides on the policy lynch but in all honesty i don't want us to keep going over it i think we need to do our best to retrieve information that will be most helpful for us later on. i actually might like to see us go with a no lynch over a "lets just lynch Trojan because he's crap town" First off at least he is posting, Secondly why would you be ok with lynching any town member our only strength we have are our numbers, we have to do all we can to keep as many of us alive for as long as we can.

Also no one has reached out to me about this game outside this thread, and i haven't reached out to anyone i think its a little too earlier and scary to pm someone so earlier but if you choose to please just keep your guard up.

Players who didn't comment on it AT ALL:

• m3ow
• Lucanosa
• Enderwiggin*
• Kit*

*Has not posted since the game started

Now, scum would either agree to the lynch, disagree to the lynch and make themselves look town, or have no comment on it so they don't look suspicious later.

If you think scum would agree to the lynch, then we should be looking at Tom & Minties (and possibly Ness since he voted for him)

If you think scum would disagree to the lynch, look at Sataric, Ayaya, SarasaKat, zoolka, Ness, and Panda1376. Ness is the odd one as they voted for Trojan in the end (which Minties already pointed out)

If you think scum would avoid giving their opinion and/or comment on other things instead, then look at Runeraider, Trundle, Jacob, Daniel, doughssant, Lucanosa, and m3ow (EnderWiggin and Kit also hasn't posted anything but I'm assuming they're busy)

Personally not sure where to look, and scum members are more likely mixed between these three stance. Ness stands out atm because he's the only one who disagreed with the policy lynch but then voted for him because Trojan is "twitchy af" and trying to apply pressure to him.

As for Trojan himself, I honestly stopped trying to read him after Forest Fire. He just floods the thread as town and there's always someone who want to lynch him because of his playstyle. He seems a little defensive/hurt after what Tom and Minties said, and I'm not sure how to make of that.

 

[Trojan]

In your post, you write "Basically, Tom and Minties aren't doing anything productive.." but didn't they both contribute with quite a few bits and pieces of information during the last few pages? Especially Minties made a pretty serious contribution with one big post and several smaller ones answering questions or further explaining her thoughts. There's pleeeenty of people in this game that is far less productive than them.

That said, the post that you quoted from Tom is not his best, and you do make a valid point that it's not very Pro-Town to make such a post at a very early stage in the game. You could argue that he was really pushing towards making the day less productive overall by forwarding a multitude of names of players that would be easy to get people to bandwagon towards.

Let me ask you some questions, though;

Let's say that we ignore Tom - Your primary suspect - For now.
1. Who else would you list as scummy and suspicious?
2. Whom are you thinking of voting for today? Are you set on Tom already?
3. Do you feel that people have a right to be concerned about leaving you in the game?
4. Do you feel that you are playing differently this game compared to normal?
5. Are you Mafia or Third-party?
6. What's your opinion on Kit and Runeraider, the other two people Tom brought up?
7. If you think Tom is scum, whom do you see could be on a scum team with him?

1 - Ehhh not sure. Some people are sus of ness cause hes doing stuff different but I dont like that way of thinking
2 - Well I dont want to vote for anyone cause im not sure. I would vote for myself as a placeholder but I might die sooooo
3 - No I dont undertsand what people mean by "dangerous to the town". HOW CAN YOU HURT THE TOWN AS A TOWNIE. If i am annoying you just dont respond or bother looking at what I say.
4 - I guess. Not really motivated to play rn, I cant do anything right and the reasons I was trolling was I didnt know how to play but now I dont want to troll either.
5 - no im normal town.
6 - They have like barely posted. I think its kinda unfair to judge them harshly, they havent even posted
7 - Minties cause they're also annoying and they agree with eachother

 

[N e s s]

No, you're not being clear at all.

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directed towards Ayaya.

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Alright looking back I now understand what you meant Ayaya, but me town reading you and Tom isn't the same as Trundle or You in their respective games. I only saw something I think makes sense to me, and i'm going to stick with it.

 

[Ayaya]

No, you're not being clear at all.

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directed towards Ayaya.

Reread the post when I first pointed it out. Or let's just agree to disagree, because we're not reaching the same conclusions here with your reasoning.

 

[EnderWiggin]

Hoooly.

Okay I've got 20 or so pages to look through??

Gee whiz guys, just because I said I wasn't gonna be around for the first 24 hours doesn't mean you should do this.

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Even though it ended up being more like 30 hours. oops.