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No one has PMed me either buddy, I imagine it'll go just like the last PM game I played where nobody PMed me. :') But only basic thoughts? Nothing worthwhile mentioning or pushing? No comments on who we ought to lynch?

Well what are you hoping to accomplish D1 in a PM game? Threadwise we're going to have a number of checking in posts, a number of ****posts and then a number of people taking a page from Donald Trump's school of answers by typing long enough to make you wonder if they even answered the question. Any hardcore slips we'll get is either from applying an obstinate amount of pressure on somebody or someone in a PM circle slips up for everyone to rush forward and spill.

After N1 there will be blood. There will be analyzing. Speculation on the amount of mafia we have. Speculation on whether or not there's a friendly third party or a killing role. There will be posts to look at. There will be WIFOM to dissect. TBT Mafia is a creature of habit mostly, people aim for the stronger players while letting the weak live. Scum isn't being terribly obvious right now because as of right now it's the same five people posting and replying to each other publicly while the rest keep comments to themselves or their PM circles.

Agreed on Trundle.

If you don't apply any pressure or look at voting habits or get the accused to talk, then sure we get absolutely nothing right away. All we've done is lessened the amount of suspicious players in the game because they're opting to not contribute or play ball. Yes, very soon we will have 24 hours to maybe come up with another person to lynch but as of no one is being brought up and you all seem to wanna beat around the bush of policy lynching. If anything I'm surprised nobody has brought up the possibility of a no lynch, I figured at least one of you would choose that route.

@Trojan: No jokes this time boo?

You've explained yourself adaquatly, the problem I have with this is that you seem focused on solely a policy lynch and not any other ideas.

But i'll be honest, Trojan is twitchy af right now. So unless he makes a detailed case then i'll agree with you, i'm putting my vote on him for now.
 
Hey everyone I've been sick the last couple days with a cold and earache, im gonna re-read and hopefully come up with some stuff.
 
Tom said:
After N1 there will be blood. There will be analyzing. Speculation on the amount of mafia we have. Speculation on whether or not there's a friendly third party or a killing role. There will be posts to look at. There will be WIFOM to dissect. TBT Mafia is a creature of habit mostly, people aim for the stronger players while letting the weak live. Scum isn't being terribly obvious right now because as of right now it's the same five people posting and replying to each other publicly while the rest keep comments to themselves or their PM circles.
My fear is that there won't be posts to dissect if we leave it to policy because then everyone will basically look like a sheep. I see your point about dissecting the kill, but unless we get some posts D1 it seems like itd be a buncha meta speculation.

Would be nice for more people to come out and talk tho

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As a related note, where the heck is EnderWiggin, Kit, and m3ow_? They haven't posted once.
 
@Dolby, I think the links to posts in the OP doesn't work, it just leads me to 'no results' page. (not a question but you get the idea)

I've been reading the thread but can't came up with anything conclusive unfortunately :( The most is that I find it odd that Ness would do townreads very early in the game over few replies between me and Tom. Not a scumtell really, but that could be bad considering Ness put Trundle as more-likely-town in GoT and it seemed to made him not see the inconsistency in Trundle's claim at that time.

I'll look more into people's opinion on Tom's policy lynch later, not sure if that'll help but it could be useful summarising it now so I can look at it later.
 
Tom puts out policy lynch suggestions nearly every game, regardless of alignment, unfortunately.

Sarasa, I still hold by my original points from previous games where I think Day 1 is very important for later in the game. I have already picked out a few people in my notes to watch their posts, behaviours, votes, etc. In most cases, the people I've picked out will likely help show whether someone else is scum when one or the other dies. I am just saying I'm not going to be commenting as much on it earlier as I usually do, as I think people change their behaviour greatly when they know I'm watching them.

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also just adding it that this is what I did last game with Minties, although I played a bit too distant for anyone to take my seriously
I see kinda where you're coming from with the not reveal your suspicions thing, but any reason you're changing it up this time in particular?

I can't understand what you're trying to ask me but i'll give it a shot. In all honesty, he's right about this always being a shot in the dark but I agree with Sataric that we need to make of what we can today instead of making this our #1 option. Theres still a chance of us figuring something out today, kind of how you just asked me this question as an example.

What I mean is that i'm not against a policy today, i'd just prefer to not have one unless it comes down to it.
You used the wording that policy lynching doesn't help, and I asked if there's no benefit why policy lynch at all. I think you were answering why you wouldn't policy lynch? I agree with your answer anyhow, but it wasn't really what I was asking xD

Cause they arent playing like they want to help town. If anything they want to hurt town
Yeeeah Im with Ness in that this is vague af. Can you be more specific?
 
What should we call you? Panda
What are your preferred pronouns? She/Her
What is your time zone?PST

ok um. i just want to quickly say that i do see both sides on the policy lynch but in all honesty i don't want us to keep going over it i think we need to do our best to retrieve information that will be most helpful for us later on. i actually might like to see us go with a no lynch over a "lets just lynch Trojan because he's crap town" First off at least he is posting, Secondly why would you be ok with lynching any town member our only strength we have are our numbers, we have to do all we can to keep as many of us alive for as long as we can.

Also no one has reached out to me about this game outside this thread, and i haven't reached out to anyone i think its a little too earlier and scary to pm someone so earlier but if you choose to please just keep your guard up.
 
@Panda: So do you feel that the way Trojan is acting is par for him or do you believe that there is a weird behavior change with him?
 
Also since Panda said she's sick and some players have only checked in (or didn't post at all), let me ask this question:

How busy are you currently/this week?

This is not to prove alignment or start a discussion but in our last game, some players didn't have enough time to place a vote and caused a town member to get lynched instead. It'd be helpful to know the availability of the players this time so we can adjust ourselves and avoid relying a hammer from someone who'll be inactive.

To answer the question, my timezone is GMT+7, which means I'll be around when most people are going to sleep/asleep. I'll be likely playing FEF on most of my free time but like last game, I'll still be able to post reads and such. I'll also place votes and will likely include a reason with it.
 
Lol rip us Tom

As much as I advocate against policy lynching, I see NL as worse because you get no info then and getting info to springboard you is critical in early game.

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As for how busy.... Hm. Im in EST, but it all depends on my homework load I guess. Tonights pretty heavy on HW but Im procrastinating hardcore so hopefully I don't keep putting it off in the future.
 
@Dolby, I think the links to posts in the OP doesn't work, it just leads me to 'no results' page. (not a question but you get the idea)

I've been reading the thread but can't came up with anything conclusive unfortunately :( The most is that I find it odd that Ness would do townreads very early in the game over few replies between me and Tom. Not a scumtell really, but that could be bad considering Ness put Trundle as more-likely-town in GoT and it seemed to made him not see the inconsistency in Trundle's claim at that time.

I'll look more into people's opinion on Tom's policy lynch later, not sure if that'll help but it could be useful summarising it now so I can look at it later.

You know, i'm not confirming either of you as town, its just a pet theory. What about me town reading you seems odd to you when it makes sense when looking at it?

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What should we call you? Panda
What are your preferred pronouns? She/Her
What is your time zone?PST

ok um. i just want to quickly say that i do see both sides on the policy lynch but in all honesty i don't want us to keep going over it i think we need to do our best to retrieve information that will be most helpful for us later on. i actually might like to see us go with a no lynch over a "lets just lynch Trojan because he's crap town" First off at least he is posting, Secondly why would you be ok with lynching any town member our only strength we have are our numbers, we have to do all we can to keep as many of us alive for as long as we can.

Also no one has reached out to me about this game outside this thread, and i haven't reached out to anyone i think its a little too earlier and scary to pm someone so earlier but if you choose to please just keep your guard up.

A No lynch on day 1 is just as bad as anything else since we get even less information from that then lynching someone today.
 
Okay so I'm conscious now and I wanted to comment on some things. I found it really interesting to see how many players suddenly vehemently jumped on the anti-policy lynch without providing any thought at all to contribute right after Sataric. That looks super duper pro town so you're obviously green! /sarcasm.

Here is my l"ess-than-24-hours into the game" reads list, as requested in some subtle way by Minties the unbeliever. Note that not all players have checked in yet.

Panda1376 - Has been in the thread multiple times, spectating. Their only posts thus far is:
Helpfulness towards town: None. Visible effort put into the game: Abyssmal.

Trojan - Seemed to take personal offense to the amount of shade and grief that was thrown their way. However, I cannot say I'm surprised - It's one thing to call out a player for being bad but let's not take it to the level where it's almost bullying. Mafia is a harsh environment and sometimes we'll step on each others toes, but let's not go overboard. I actually PMed Trojan earlier since I was afraid that it would seem that I'd be defending them for being against the policy-lynch-after-day-just-started idea, wanting to get a better read on them, but it didn't lead anywhere. I feel like since this is a PM-allowed game, if a player finds Trojan to be weak, just take them under your wing and lead them in the right direction and they'd still be useful to town.

Ness - Eager to make an explosive entrance into the game and seems very quick to take actions into their own hands. I feel like they could be either Mafia or Town, but one cannot deny that they're really trying to make something out of Day 1 despite having very little to go on, which is generally favorable towards Town.

Minties - Came across to me as slightly annoyed because I did not agree with their (and Tom's) poor idea for a policy lynch. Attempts to belittle the amount of information that you can get out of a Day 1 lynch further down the line, as the game progresses. Steered the conversation towards passiveness and unproductive results. Anti-town behavior in my eyes.

Zoolka - Brand new player, never played Mafia before. Strikes me as Pro-Town because of the way they are wording their posts, saying they wish to have allies and people they can trust. If I was new in a game, and didn't understand completely what was going on, I'd want someone in my corner as well I reckon. If they'd be Mafia, I assume they would turn to their scum team for support instead.

Jacob - I do not recall playing with this person before, but the fact that they went and openly said that nobody had PMed them yet could mean that they are either fishing for people to make alliances/QTs together with so that they can report the information gathered back to their scum team, but it seems far more likely to me that they are just lost and alone.

Well you were screeching about no-policy, so I expected you to bring something else up since you're Sataric. Explaining reasoning for a policy lynch isn't passive and I'm getting sick to death of you guys using that ****ing word. Trundle used it like a parrot last game passive passive passive. Lets talk about actually passive playstyles like Ness flip flopping around like a fish with his suspicions and then ultimately voting for Trojan anyways? I find it interesting how you seem to clear a new player (that is friends with you) when you don't usually seem to ever do that in a game this early. I'm a bit annoyed at how much of a hypocrite you are Sataric, considering you used to join in on the Day One Cory lynches all the time. Please hop down off of your high horse and don't villainise players that are suggesting a spammer lynch with the word "bullying". Note how Trojan isn't actually spamming gifs? That's because he knows that he could actually be lynched for it instead of people just complaining about it.

First off, I don't understand why people were bashing Trojan, don't distract town on something that can't be changed anymore(him playing this game.)

Bashing Trojan? Since when is stating the TRUE FACTS that this player has been a proven spammer and hindrance to the town by lying or generally sht posting bashing? I didn't hear any of the veteran players in this game crying when we pointed out the same thing about Cory back in 2014. There's no bashing here and I literally can't believe you guys brought out the word "bullying" in a mafia game considering that stating facts about a player's playstyle =/= bullying. It would be bullying if I told him he should die or something, which I didn't. Sorry about the whole 2016 we're special snowflakes and words hurt mentality, but this is mafia. If you want your safe spaces, go to tumblr.

I also found it really interesting how SarasaKat backpacked on Sataric's posts, then Jacob and Ness. The main thing I noticed is that they all went after Tom, even though I suggested the exact same thing. I also want to point out that Ness said that the Trojan lynch was a **** lynch, but then voted for Trojan less than an hour after that post. The scummiest player to me right now appears to be Ness.

:lemon: Hi
i have no reads other than Tom obviously acting a little strange

as for the "quiet members getting PMs or in a QT" i have not received anything nor made any allies so hmu fam

You seem very eager for a ****lynch Tom. I haven't brought anything up about not doing a policy lynch, I only stated that we don't get anything out of it AND we still have the entire day to figure something out.

I'm not against a policy lynch today, I just said i'm unsure if I want one.

You've explained yourself adaquatly, the problem I have with this is that you seem focused on solely a policy lynch and not any other ideas.

But i'll be honest, Trojan is twitchy af right now. So unless he makes a detailed case then i'll agree with you, i'm putting my vote on him for now.

Trundle was the only one to not foam at the mouth like the rest of you sheeple following Sataric trying to look town. Not really sure what angle he's playing at right now, but it seems odd to me that he's playing so reserved and doesn't want to state any of his suspicions. That doesn't really seem to help steer us in the direction of a lynch.

From how much variety we are getting from Tom right now I'm pretty sure he is reaction testing, although he obviously sucks at it.

also please don't rule out zoolka because they're new. ****ing Gandalf made me scum in my first game ever on TBT.

What should we call you? Minties
What are your preferred pronouns? Attackhelicopterkin (she/her)
What is your time zone? AEST - Australia

Tom why did you want salties back. I can't keep her caged.
 
@Panda: So do you feel that the way Trojan is acting is par for him or do you believe that there is a weird behavior change with him?

@Tom i think Trojan is a lot more quiet than usual, i don't know if thats just because we are kinda picking on him so earlier or if he is trying to be better or if he is in some PM circle or what have you and then theres always the chance of him being mafia and he is being coached. still too earlier to pin point it.

You think Trojan's posts are fine in material then Panda?

@SarasaKat hope you don't mind me stealing your 'bolding names' idea i think its really clever and will be very helpful when referring back later on.

im not sure if you are referring to Trojan's post so far in this game or in his past games ? im guessing you are referring to his past games cause this game he hasn't really posted much, i do agree he is less than helpful most the time.
 
Minties, if you're refering to the reads as something I piggybacked off of against Tom, I advocated against policy lynching and pressed him on it before her reads.
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...afia-Day-One&p=6266946&viewfull=1#post6266946

I feel like much of that post is out of context so Im kinda :/ with it. Im either going to bed or taking a nap though so to dissect it later. Idk why but my dad still pressures me to go to bed when Im 17 this week smh

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@Tom i think Trojan is a lot more quiet than usual, i don't know if thats just because we are kinda picking on him so earlier or if he is trying to be better or if he is in some PM circle or what have you and then theres always the chance of him being mafia and he is being coached. still too earlier to pin point it.



@SarasaKat hope you don't mind me stealing your 'bolding names' idea i think its really clever and will be very helpful when referring back later on.

im not sure if you are referring to Trojan's post so far in this game or in his past games ? im guessing you are referring to his past games cause this game he hasn't really posted much, i do agree he is less than helpful most the time.
I was asking about this game but looks like you got that with Toms question.

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Also I stole the idea from Ayaya, actually!
 
Minties, if you're refering to the reads as something I piggybacked off of against Tom, I advocated against policy lynching and pressed him on it before her reads.
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...afia-Day-One&p=6266946&viewfull=1#post6266946

I feel like much of that post is out of context so Im kinda :/ with it. Im either going to bed or taking a nap though so to dissect it later. Idk why but my dad still pressures me to go to bed when Im 17 this week smh

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I was asking about this game but looks like you got that with Toms question.

The replies to Daniel and Sataric are directed solely at them because I got pissed off over their holier than thou attitudes.

What is your opinion on what I said about Ness and his voting?
 
I can see where he's coming from, tbh. In that hour, Trojan came on and really acted scummy which was probably enough to change his mind. The only thing that rubs me wrong about it is he didn't mention Trojan acting off sooner when Tom mentioned it and acted like Trojan did nothing wrong at the time and Tom wa purely advocating a ****lynch.

Yeah the Sataric/CMD parts didnt get my attention as much as the bit about Ness and people piggybacking off of Ness, so that wasnt really a concern :p

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^stuff like that is what I mean when I say out of context. The less then the hour thing didn't consider that Trojan actually got on

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People piggybacking off of Sataric*
 
I can see where he's coming from, tbh. In that hour, Trojan came on and really acted scummy which was probably enough to change his mind. The only thing that rubs me wrong about it is he didn't mention Trojan acting off sooner when Tom mentioned it and acted like Trojan did nothing wrong at the time and Tom wa purely advocating a ****lynch.

Yeah the Sataric/CMD parts didnt get my attention as much as the bit about Ness and people piggybacking off of Ness, so that wasnt really a concern :p

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^stuff like that is what I mean when I say out of context. The less then the hour thing didn't consider that Trojan actually got on

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People piggybacking off of Sataric*

Yeah but:

This still doesn't explain anything, can you show me some proof with quotes and explanations?

Ness did probe for more information, but didn't want for Trojan to actually reply if he was still on TBT (I was not on when this discussion took place so if he was in the browsing users part, I wouldn't know). I can't remember a game where Trojan actually has made definitive reads on players, so his reasoning for voting for Trojan seems as much a stab in the dark as a policy lynch reason. That's why I pointed it out, we still had nearly 24 hours, which would be plenty of time for Trojan to come in and possibly answer Ness' questions.

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To also add, I'm do also get scummy vibes from Jacob who stated they "had no reads other than Tom". I'm assuming his reads on Tom are due to the suggestion of a policy lynch, then how is it possible that he has no other thoughts on any players, including me who also suggested a policy lynch?
 
I see kinda where you're coming from with the not reveal your suspicions thing, but any reason you're changing it up this time in particular?

You used the wording that policy lynching doesn't help, and I asked if there's no benefit why policy lynch at all. I think you were answering why you wouldn't policy lynch? I agree with your answer anyhow, but it wasn't really what I was asking xD

Yeeeah Im with Ness in that this is vague af. Can you be more specific?

Yep, it was right in my post. Try reading it.
 
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